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Dropping some eaves
Shades by
Kio
(High-res version available for free over on my Patreon!)
https://unitedhelpukraine.org/ https://savelife.in.ua/en/
Dropping some eaves
Shades by
Kio(High-res version available for free over on my Patreon!)
https://unitedhelpukraine.org/ https://savelife.in.ua/en/
Category Artwork (Digital) / All
Species Unspecified / Any
Size 900 x 1295px
File Size 1.27 MB
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i just had to imagine the Owlhouse playground scene where king screams in rage
https://youtu.be/Gr0EAxo8esg?t=78
https://youtu.be/Gr0EAxo8esg?t=78
That's how they get you though. You accept your fate, maybe even get comfortable, go south a bit, hang out with other enclaves, then POW you are now a naked human who now has to run through a hundred miles of untamed wilderness, being chased by a hoard of angry scavs who all think you killed a female.
this is going to be a bit of a ramble, and i'm not even sure there's a point, but here goes
i was talking with an artist friend of mine who's a trans man, and they were saying they didn't like this comic. when i asked why, they said it feels like kass's feelings about being a man and not being a woman, which are essentially the trans man experience, are being purposefully erased, like there's no world in which he can say "no actually i'm still a man" and i kinda get it. like, i can kinda crop it up to the setting and generally How The World Is within the context of the comic, but i can see how someone would look at this and feel like it's reopening wounds, like besides the tftg aspect of him formerly being a human and formerly having a penis, he's essentially having to go through exactly what trans men in real life have to go through. i'm not in that position so i can kinda distance myself but it's totally understandable to me
like i said there isn't really a point, i just kinda wanted to ramble a bit
i was talking with an artist friend of mine who's a trans man, and they were saying they didn't like this comic. when i asked why, they said it feels like kass's feelings about being a man and not being a woman, which are essentially the trans man experience, are being purposefully erased, like there's no world in which he can say "no actually i'm still a man" and i kinda get it. like, i can kinda crop it up to the setting and generally How The World Is within the context of the comic, but i can see how someone would look at this and feel like it's reopening wounds, like besides the tftg aspect of him formerly being a human and formerly having a penis, he's essentially having to go through exactly what trans men in real life have to go through. i'm not in that position so i can kinda distance myself but it's totally understandable to me
like i said there isn't really a point, i just kinda wanted to ramble a bit
I get that, it's valid! A big part of this story's setup is that they're living in a relatively primitive era, where understandings and terminology and such that we have about sex and gender are in their earliest basic forms, if they exist at all. And also, the things going on in this comic are meant to stand alone on their own, as opposed to being commentary or allegories on IRL things like politics or gender theory. So I get why Kass' experience might bring up feelings for your friend, given his own life experience!
I feel like you very much explore those themes, but with worldbuilding that removes the social context from which those themes are normally constructed. It's like asking "what is a man" while stripping away modern social context and the concept of patriarchy, which is a very legitimate gender theory approach used in some of the more reformist schools. And then you take it a step further by removing our preconceptions about biology too.
Funny story, I came out as transgender when I was 3 but my parents were so prudish and repressed that despite being like, zealots worshipping science and technology, no one tried to use the "boys and girls have different parts" story to try and convince me otherwise until I was 12. They made it sound like chicken sexing, like when babies hatched from the egg the doctor just held us and guessed and because they had so much experience they'd sense the difference in what we'd grow up to be. Which was perfectly logical to me because I also just-sensed that they were wrong. (I mean, I -was- actually hatched ovipariously but that's a wholllllee other story).
So to me it totally jives to see this little dude exploring gender while stuck in his rather chicken-like body, trying to wrap his head around a different reproductive cycle and what it's supposed to mean for his role in a society he's completely unfamiliar with.
Funny story, I came out as transgender when I was 3 but my parents were so prudish and repressed that despite being like, zealots worshipping science and technology, no one tried to use the "boys and girls have different parts" story to try and convince me otherwise until I was 12. They made it sound like chicken sexing, like when babies hatched from the egg the doctor just held us and guessed and because they had so much experience they'd sense the difference in what we'd grow up to be. Which was perfectly logical to me because I also just-sensed that they were wrong. (I mean, I -was- actually hatched ovipariously but that's a wholllllee other story).
So to me it totally jives to see this little dude exploring gender while stuck in his rather chicken-like body, trying to wrap his head around a different reproductive cycle and what it's supposed to mean for his role in a society he's completely unfamiliar with.
You made me realize we haven't seen any feathered animals yet. The Field Guide: Flora and Fauna references the chorp as having a "birdlike" cry, but the entry on the 'dog' suggests that if birds exist as an animal in this universe, they may not look a whole lot like birds as we know them.
It's a super valid reading. Honestly to me it comes down to if the arc of the story ultimately is:
Kass needs to accept not being a man cus he's now biologically female and thus needs to live life as a woman
OR
Kass needs to learn that being female bodied doesn't make him a woman and his well meaning friends trying to help him 'adjust' are in fact the ones who need to learn to be less pushy about their own preconceived notions of gender.
If its the first, then ya that kinda sucks. The comic ultimately, unintentionally, ends up reading as super anti-trans masc and is about a man having to accept that having a pussy means he can't be a man anymore.
If its the second, then I think its a solid story about dealing with transition in a time and setting where resources and terminology doesn't really exist to make this sort of experience easy and everyone kinda just has to learn on the fly.
Obviously TG stories don't always have to get this deep, but I feel like at 334 pages and counting and with the level of quality this comic has shown, Valsalia has put themselves in the unenviable position of making a piece of art so good that, "It's just a transformation comic, it's not that deep" no longer works. This art is meaningful and now has the power to say something really good or kinda shitty.
I'm so sorry Val, you've made capital A ART and now us pretentious 'theme enjoyers' are going to T pose over you and read into your fucking curtain color choices!
Kass needs to accept not being a man cus he's now biologically female and thus needs to live life as a woman
OR
Kass needs to learn that being female bodied doesn't make him a woman and his well meaning friends trying to help him 'adjust' are in fact the ones who need to learn to be less pushy about their own preconceived notions of gender.
If its the first, then ya that kinda sucks. The comic ultimately, unintentionally, ends up reading as super anti-trans masc and is about a man having to accept that having a pussy means he can't be a man anymore.
If its the second, then I think its a solid story about dealing with transition in a time and setting where resources and terminology doesn't really exist to make this sort of experience easy and everyone kinda just has to learn on the fly.
Obviously TG stories don't always have to get this deep, but I feel like at 334 pages and counting and with the level of quality this comic has shown, Valsalia has put themselves in the unenviable position of making a piece of art so good that, "It's just a transformation comic, it's not that deep" no longer works. This art is meaningful and now has the power to say something really good or kinda shitty.
I'm so sorry Val, you've made capital A ART and now us pretentious 'theme enjoyers' are going to T pose over you and read into your fucking curtain color choices!
Outside of any unintentional commentary/messaging, I also feel like it would be kinda weird if at the end of all this (assuming he doesn't transform back) Kass is like "actually this female thing is kinda cool, I'm okay with it".
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see any way for the story to get to that conclusion in a satisfying way given everything up until this point. He'll probably have to find a way to be ok with the reality of the situation, but I don't think Kass will ever consider himself "female".
Whatever the case though, I am fully confident Val will make it great!
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see any way for the story to get to that conclusion in a satisfying way given everything up until this point. He'll probably have to find a way to be ok with the reality of the situation, but I don't think Kass will ever consider himself "female".
Whatever the case though, I am fully confident Val will make it great!
I did actually see a -version- of that kind of conclusion recently that really made me think, in the anime Heavenly Delusion (anime adaptation hits this note harder / in more detail because season finale vs. lead-in to the next volume). It's very non-binary and non-operative positive. (Also obviously huge trigger and adult content warnings.) Basically, one of the characters is learning to live with the differences between his gender and body and move past the feelings of one being a problem for the other. The ending scene is actually also a conversation about romantic feelings as a male vs. female, and to paraphrase a friend concludes that he probably wouldn't have fallen in love with just one part of him or the other, it's his masculine mind that he feels intimate trust and connection with and his feminine body that he's physically attracted to. But they come to an understanding about how this guy wants to be seen as the protector figure; that's the part he struggles with most about having a girl's body.
Without spoiling more about that show, I think how the same thing could start to happen for Kass is realizing that his feminine Yinglet body actually puts him in what he'd view as a masculine role within his new social contexts and interpersonal relationships. What Kalgkur called "the social roles and behavioral models of a male".
Also, Kass wasn't exactly the most traditionally masculine guy at the beginning of the comic, if you really think about it - clearly male but not the -man- that I think he even wanted to be. (I mean he was crushing on an exotic dancer who he could pay to see rather than ever actually asking out, it's a pretty classic way to avoid insecurities.) Obviously, part of the world building here is that being an officer, yinglet leader etc. aren't specifically just for men (or even available to men in the latter case). But that's in the same way that masculinity isn't just for men IRL. He wanted to use his profession to be a provider for the little pseudo-family he was putting together, and for his community, and to be someone people would look up to for advice, but it looks like he was pretty timid and passive toward those goals until the transformation forced him to fight for it.
If Kass realizes how well he's sliding into the opportunities that have suddenly opened up for him, and integrates them successfully into his own sense of self, and realizes that he's actually filling in what he was missing before, he might learn to appreciate that his body doesn't really interfere with the things he cares about.
Without spoiling more about that show, I think how the same thing could start to happen for Kass is realizing that his feminine Yinglet body actually puts him in what he'd view as a masculine role within his new social contexts and interpersonal relationships. What Kalgkur called "the social roles and behavioral models of a male".
Also, Kass wasn't exactly the most traditionally masculine guy at the beginning of the comic, if you really think about it - clearly male but not the -man- that I think he even wanted to be. (I mean he was crushing on an exotic dancer who he could pay to see rather than ever actually asking out, it's a pretty classic way to avoid insecurities.) Obviously, part of the world building here is that being an officer, yinglet leader etc. aren't specifically just for men (or even available to men in the latter case). But that's in the same way that masculinity isn't just for men IRL. He wanted to use his profession to be a provider for the little pseudo-family he was putting together, and for his community, and to be someone people would look up to for advice, but it looks like he was pretty timid and passive toward those goals until the transformation forced him to fight for it.
If Kass realizes how well he's sliding into the opportunities that have suddenly opened up for him, and integrates them successfully into his own sense of self, and realizes that he's actually filling in what he was missing before, he might learn to appreciate that his body doesn't really interfere with the things he cares about.
Honestly I think the bigger issue for Kass is that he became a female yinglet, since that comes with a whole lot of complications in the context of yinglet society and the rigid role of females in it.
Complications he will likely be forced to confront during his upcoming stay at the enclave.
Free prediction: Kass will have an awful time there.
Complications he will likely be forced to confront during his upcoming stay at the enclave.
Free prediction: Kass will have an awful time there.
Fair enough. However, Vizlet is committed to changing yinglet society for the better, and Kass is now in an superb position to help her achieve exactly that. Perhaps Viz should say to him: "Actually, we have enough breeding females right now; you don't need to be a part of that if you don't want to. But you can still help us in lots of other ways."
If it were me, I think it'd be the drastically shorter lifespan that would be the major bummer.
If it were me, I think it'd be the drastically shorter lifespan that would be the major bummer.
True, Kass will definitely have an awful time there. I could see his journey to come to terms with it paralleling that of yinglet society itself; his drive to fight the situation might be just what Vizlet's looking for. But also yinglet men might seem to be more relaxed but the way I see it, it's because they're resigned to being at best middle managers and therefore have no other aspirations.
The existence of the Reed of Carnal Beckoning on page #23 (and Poak's response to it) indicate that yinglet attitudes toward sex are serious about positive enthusiastic consent, which means the idea of being 'tasked' to breeding in the subsequent field guide was Ran's (or even Kass') interpretation through the lens of his own people's job and marriage structure. There are conspicuous similarities between the wording of early field guide entries and how IRL colonial texts described indigenous peoples (which I feel like Valsalia further drew attention to with the "Responsible Journalism" page, aka Yinglets Ripped My Flesh), so I definitely wouldn't take the field guide pages at face value when it comes to yinglet or baxxid anthropology.
The existence of the Reed of Carnal Beckoning on page #23 (and Poak's response to it) indicate that yinglet attitudes toward sex are serious about positive enthusiastic consent, which means the idea of being 'tasked' to breeding in the subsequent field guide was Ran's (or even Kass') interpretation through the lens of his own people's job and marriage structure. There are conspicuous similarities between the wording of early field guide entries and how IRL colonial texts described indigenous peoples (which I feel like Valsalia further drew attention to with the "Responsible Journalism" page, aka Yinglets Ripped My Flesh), so I definitely wouldn't take the field guide pages at face value when it comes to yinglet or baxxid anthropology.
Yeah I it's definitely not something wrong with Valsalia's artistry, personally I read Myriad's friend's perspective more as "this is a really hard story when you can feel the character's pain" and to me that's exactly the kind of story I tend to go for, but it's also definitely something I gotta take in moderation.
But also yeah back in medieval times, if we wanted to connect with a different community we needed to dial extra numbers and pay a really steep long distance fee. It definitely was alienating when I compare it now, especially for those of us who were trans it really meant dealing with life every day without even the possibility of talking to someone who'd understand.
But also also, part of why it feels like an older story to me is that it doesn't have a moral of "the character needs to learn to do this or that." It's like old pre-Grimm fairy tales, it paints a picture of life as an endless, inevitable, usually horrifying cycle that repeats over and over with each generation. Characters end up chopping off their own limbs etc. because they're not really presented with proper choices in the first place. Instead of showing the reader what a character should do, it prepares us to get on the same roller coaster.
But also yeah back in medieval times, if we wanted to connect with a different community we needed to dial extra numbers and pay a really steep long distance fee. It definitely was alienating when I compare it now, especially for those of us who were trans it really meant dealing with life every day without even the possibility of talking to someone who'd understand.
But also also, part of why it feels like an older story to me is that it doesn't have a moral of "the character needs to learn to do this or that." It's like old pre-Grimm fairy tales, it paints a picture of life as an endless, inevitable, usually horrifying cycle that repeats over and over with each generation. Characters end up chopping off their own limbs etc. because they're not really presented with proper choices in the first place. Instead of showing the reader what a character should do, it prepares us to get on the same roller coaster.
(as far as what she means by "not a man") like I don't think Isher is actually viewing Kass as another woman in a binary sense, she's seeing him as a sexless being which is almost worse. It is the familiar experience of when someone with a crush on you finds out you're trans and suddenly they're sliding you into that same kinda niche there. The suckage comes from being seen as a man/woman in-that-way and then... only in another. Harder to tell yourself they're wrong, so sometimes that hits the dysphoria even harder.
This. I cannot help but IMMEDIATELY think about how common that mentality is but the other way around. If Kass had immediately realized he was actually happy being a girl and said so, everyone would be "but I can't think of him as a woman" because that's how it tends to work in real life. I'm genuinely disappointed in Isher here.
Like growing up in a male body and being called a girl as an insult until people find out you're trans, and then suddenly they could never see you as one.
Like growing up in a male body and being called a girl as an insult until people find out you're trans, and then suddenly they could never see you as one.
Hope not, but wonder if this will be a moment of that mental wall crumbling fully. Only reason I doubt it is I don't think Kass ever felt that way about Isher. Certainly got that impression in the first chapter.
It's only when Kass realizes this also applies to Ginny, his stripper/dancer crush, is when a great big chunk of that wall tumbles right out.
Bet Kass hasn't thought about Ginny once since all this started but hearing a woman say that about him would start that train of thought steaming straight into Mindbreak Junction.
Either way his friends will be there to catch what they can of him and hopefully glue enough of it back together again.
It's only when Kass realizes this also applies to Ginny, his stripper/dancer crush, is when a great big chunk of that wall tumbles right out.
Bet Kass hasn't thought about Ginny once since all this started but hearing a woman say that about him would start that train of thought steaming straight into Mindbreak Junction.
Either way his friends will be there to catch what they can of him and hopefully glue enough of it back together again.
oof awkward. Hell of a way to find out Isher had a crush on him, while at the same time crushing his dignity into fragments he didn't think was possible. it might be my mind filling in the blanks from context, but they look so defeated here even though they're not really emoting much in that last panel. I definitely have a kind of morbid curiosity to see what this segways into as far as their psychology.
This one is what I am referring to
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/53070098/
Theres no way in hell thats gonna hold now that one of his secrets seems to be out in the open...
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/53070098/
Theres no way in hell thats gonna hold now that one of his secrets seems to be out in the open...
That's a very conflicted look on kas their face, got to be a few shorts or blown fuses up in there deu to the kick in the ghost balls, but alsothe compliment and knowledge of being loved either way...
also considering dicking isher even as a human may have not been a thought that ever occurred to kas before yet... not in a serious sense at least.
What a rollercoaster of drama for this poor soul, they need a hug... all these souls really..
also considering dicking isher even as a human may have not been a thought that ever occurred to kas before yet... not in a serious sense at least.
What a rollercoaster of drama for this poor soul, they need a hug... all these souls really..
Also, I like the smooth insertion of "Kassfriends". Of course Lopin would be the first to acknowledge that Kass has formed his own little oddball clique/enclave and give it a name. Making Kass a real matriarch xD but it also reminds me of Yannit's "FriendKass" like I feel like Lopin might also be subtly acknowledging Yannit in this.
It's also clearly what we gotta call ourselves as fans now -,.o Actually nah I'm going with OOPsies
It's also clearly what we gotta call ourselves as fans now -,.o Actually nah I'm going with OOPsies
It occurred to me a while back that it's very fortunate that Isher isn't actually in Kass' chain of command... yet. I feel like it's inevitable that Viracroix will change that just because Viracroix always does what makes things more personally complicated for the Kassfriends. I just hope they get around to working this through before then.
But also I've been trying to figure out how to phrase like... people really wanted Isher to be bi but being attracted to Kass was never the issue. First of all like you said, it was always unrequited. But also, as a transgender gal who's dated a lot of bi people, being attracted to Kass in a sapphic way would have been even more hurtful than just rejecting him as a guy.
But also I've been trying to figure out how to phrase like... people really wanted Isher to be bi but being attracted to Kass was never the issue. First of all like you said, it was always unrequited. But also, as a transgender gal who's dated a lot of bi people, being attracted to Kass in a sapphic way would have been even more hurtful than just rejecting him as a guy.
Being Bi and trans for... well roughly 53-54 years. (yes I am older than that I just figured it out then) I agree that would have been far more harmful and hurtful.
It always hurts and amazes me when folk will say "Just be this", or "Stop being that" as if it's a choice.
I'm trans but can't transition and I know I'm stuck.. In many ways I feel for or relate to Kass... though I know I can't know their full strife.
It always hurts and amazes me when folk will say "Just be this", or "Stop being that" as if it's a choice.
I'm trans but can't transition and I know I'm stuck.. In many ways I feel for or relate to Kass... though I know I can't know their full strife.
Her fellow guards doesn't seem to agree with your statement: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/26857707/ Sex with a officer seems to be okay in their mind.
Well we -are- on furaffinity so of course I just went from "it's not the size that matters" to "micro" to "I wonder if Kass could fit his head through there" but the shelltooth would probably be an issue >,.< but also "if the whiskers fit, the Kass will fit" maybe this is the answer to his question about their function on page #128, without them yinglets would just inevitably get their heads stuck in fences.
Iz funny because I'm sure Ladykass would *love* getting a good dicking from Elim.
Even zhough Kass would feel awkawrdly horrified just *zhinking* about it, even zhough we, as readers, *KNOW* zhere is some undeniable zexual tension on Kass part on the matter.
Straight is straight, no matter whether you are a cock-owning human or a vag-owning yinglet.
Even zhough Kass would feel awkawrdly horrified just *zhinking* about it, even zhough we, as readers, *KNOW* zhere is some undeniable zexual tension on Kass part on the matter.
Straight is straight, no matter whether you are a cock-owning human or a vag-owning yinglet.
Hoy, OOPsers! I'm here to remind you once again that there's a place called "Top Web Comics" https://www.topwebcomics.com/?home=3 that compiles comics from various places. There's a bunch of cool stuff there. They have monthly votes, so you can support OOPs there. You can vote once a day per device, so your PC, laptop, tablet, phone, etc.
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I've noticed that you can sometimes even get in extra votes from different IP addresses, or if you're disconnected from your IP and open up again later.
It closed out last month at 747+ votes and 27th place. It's currently at 450 votes and 42nd place. The highest it's reached is 24th place, and the top vote getters seem to end up with something over 20,000+ votes, at least recently.
Vote early, vote often! Help OOPs get noticed!
I really like this page; I like it a lot. Somethin’ to do with Kasswise Gamgee here having dropped an eave on their conversation. It feels very emotional. When it comes to strangers, I try not to care too much in how they perceive me, but when it’s people close to you is where it can really hurt the most, which is why it must be a tough pill to swallow when you overhear something like that.
The main thing I'm left wondering is just how much of the conversation Kass heard. "Enough" to get that last part, but definitely an 'oof'. Definitely a bit self-conscious about becoming a female of another species, but at the same time, it's something he's gonna have to accept sooner or later. He's not the same he was.
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