Damn straight, 1312

Haha I was totally expecting my first comment on this to come from some nazi fur trash looking to pick a fight, or at least spew some "not all cops" or "all lives matter" crap.

Thank you for being cool and righteous instead! We gotta fix this shit! More money to pay more thugs in blue ain't the way!

I mean Id be on board on this but i feel its wrong to paint everyone under the same profession as this when idiotic racist cops fuck up or abuse their power. This is almost borderline what abortion doctors have to put up with from Catholic Christians for doing their jobs.

Im all for cops who abuse their power to be put into checks snd balances and lose their jobs when they do abuse their power, but the mob mentality is toxic as fuck. If i make a “Kill all -blank- people,” comment on twitter id lost my account, but if i write, “Kill all Cops,” not only would I not lose my account but id have a chance of going trending.

Both statements are wrong and toxic and yet one of them will flat out be endorsed. What happened to George Floyd was absolutely inhuman and im glad people are angry, Hell i’m angry too. But Alot of what I’m seeing is absolutely counter productive

If you make a "kill all -blank-" comment and fill in the blank with another profession like "video game journalists" or "investment brokers," I really doubt you'd get modded. It would probably only become an issue if you put an intrinsic part of a person's identity in that blank like "black people" or "gay people" because those are not choices. Being a cop is a choice.

We say "all cops are bastards" not because they're all murderers, but because they all look the other way when other cops commit crimes. A massive amount of them are complicit in murder anyway, like the group who watched Derek Chauvin murder George Floyd and everyone of them in the town where Ahmaud Arbery was murdered and they refused to make any arrests. There was a similar incident in a town near where I live involving a cop murdering someone during a traffic stop that didn't reach national attention because, for a while, the mayor was pretty successful at keeping it swept under the rug and had the internal report on the incident buried until the family of the victim sued to get it released. They are supposed to be the people enforcing the law and they continuously refuse to enforce it on members of their own force. The default attitude is to look the other way when someone on the force commits a serious crime.

They're proving how brutal they are day after day when they attack protestors and instigate riots. It's been happening all over the country for almost a month. People are getting killed and many more are getting injured, often without ever having raised a hand to an officer themselves. The police have even been shooting tear gas and less lethal rounds at the PRESS. They're doing everything they can to try and cover their own misconduct, including literally, physically attacking the free press. There are hundreds and hundreds of videos online from all over the country of dramatically excessive police force just from this month alone and these are JUST the incidents that have been caught on camera! This is not the work of "a few bad apples," as some like to say. This is a systemic problem.

For many people participating in these protests and speaking out online, this is not "mob mentality." This is years of documented or personally experienced abuse building to a boiling point. I'm not saying "ACAB" because I'm fired up by recent events. I've BEEN saying it for years and years because I'm disgusted by the amount of state-sponsered violence and murder go on in this country. I'm saying it in this journal, here, now, because now's the time to catch people's attention about it and have these kinds of discussions. The evidence against the police has hardly ever been stronger. They're practically making our case for us when they ram protestors with their cars and stiff arm old men to the concrete.

Im aware its been a gigantic problem for decades now and im sure there’s probably tons of cases that are swept under the rug to maintain appearances. It is systemic and no one has done anything to fix it, my problem is like i said how far people are taking it.

Like if youre friends with a cop, hell if youre even related to one apparently you are just as guilty, you should get them to quit their source of income and make them get a new job. I know this might be an individual extreme case of sentiment some more radical people have but ive seen it echoed a few times. If you wanna protest a system sure, a profession maybe? (Ive asked some leftist people on twitter what they’d do to deal with police reform and a majority say “well there will still be cops just people we appoint,” so i doubt its a profession issue.) but im never a fan holding people accountable to actions they didn’t do. Even if its complacency there’s tons of people in our society you can say are being complacent with issues going on around the world much less in our society. Its like that amazon shooting incident, thats like arguing I should quit my job at amazon, sacrificing my source of income at Amazon because id be considered complacent. I just feel like its wrong to hold innocent people accountable to crimes they didn’t commit, no one should be subjugated to scrutiny for issues they didn’t participate in. The system? Absolutely, Individual officers and groups of them who abuse power? Fucking Absolutely. But not innocent coworkers, friends, and family for christ sakes.

Also my top comment i made about “Kill all *blank*” was meant to be racially implied for example but i wasnt sure how youd react.

And yeah im sure if you wrote “kill all game journalists,” or “investment brokers,” either people take it as a joke or petty stubbornness, and if i wrote “kill all *this race here* people,” whether its a joke or not id get banned.

My problem is if someone wrote “Kill all cops,” and often times on twitter you know they mean it it, people will support that shit. I know people probably wouldnt actively support that shit actually happening its baffling to see the same people fighting to end violence to groups of people, only to also endorse it for other groups of people.

This is why while Im a leftist i dont consider myself one tbh. Im just tired of the people I want to support and fight for actively endorse shit I dont want to endorse. For every point youve made in your comment I didn’t bring up here I agree with you 100 percent, but this here is my Hold ups.

Also thank you for not freaking out on me like fucknuts on twitter. Its refreshing not having someone call me a bootlicker for questioning things lol.

I don't really get your point about it not being a profession issue. It absolutely is an issue with the nature of the profession. The people who are saying "there will still be cops, just ones we appoint," are talking about a world in which the current cops are fired. If all these bad people are no longer cops and we can get good people acting as law enforcement, THEN there won't be an issue with the profession. But as it stands now, the way in which America recruits police officers is horrible. Departments deliberately seek out people of lower intelligence and higher violent tendencies and train them to use those violent tendencies. Then their cop bro culture reinforces it. They feed off of each other. New recruits see the seasoned vets who have gotten away with a lot in their time and learn to be like them because that behavior becomes normalized to them. I was wholly unsurprised when I heard that one of the worst people I have ever met, someone I went to school with, became a cop. He was violent, stupid, self-serving and he already acted as a toady for his cousin when he was a student. Now he's a cop and behaving exactly the same way, but under someone else's orders. He is the very picture of a model american police officer: no moral compass and easy to order around.

Nobody is holding innocent people accountable for crimes that they didn't commit. Damn near every single police department in the country (MAYBE barring some small town precincts) has murderers and thugs on the payroll and EVERY SINGLE COP who works with them is culpable for not holding them accountable for their actions. "Who watches the Watchmen?" Fucking nobody. They have carte blanche to do whatever they want because they know there's nobody who will hold them accountable. That's why they're all bad. I could not possibly care less about splitting hairs and saying "All cops are bastards, except Freddy Jones in Little Rock and Mike Smith in San Diego. They're alright." What's the point in that? Maybe Freddy and Mike are decent guys, but they're needles in a nation-spanning haystack. If they feel so bad about being labeled that way, then they can quit and get a real job that doesn't involve covering for murderers.

I have no idea what amazon incident you're talking about. But I know that Amazon doesn't kill 1000 people a year like the American police force does. You can't compare one shooter with their own agenda to a chronically repeating 1000 killings a year that clearly establishes a pattern of injustice within an organization. Did you help cover for this Amazon shooter? Did you stop other people from intervening when he was shooting someone? Did you aid your warehouse/office/whatever place of business in sweeping the crime under the rug? If you didn't, then the situations are not remotely the same thing and you aren't complicit in anything. I don't care if that's the one string of income for these mythical "good cops." It is not worth their continued support for an organized system of oppression and murder. People have to get new jobs for less severe reasons than being a tool of systemic violence all the time. They can suck it up and quit if it bothers them so much. They are not the victims here. The dead, injured, and innocent imprisoned people are the victims. Any level of harm that a so-called "good cop" has suffered in the face of hundreds of years of injustice is small peanuts by comparison. Change has to be made and change never comes without hurting someone's feelings because someone always has to be an asshole and oppose positive change. Too bad for them. I do not feel for them. They get to walk away with their lives and a clean criminal record, unlike the people they've oppressed.

Calling you a bootlicker wouldn't get me anywhere. I'm not here to cast shade and hurt feelings. I'm trying to do my part to speak out against the cancer in our society. You seemed like someone who was willing to listen, so I'm trying my best here. In defense of these random twitter people, you have to understand that the favorite tactic of the American right-wing is arguing in bad faith. Republicans have merged with 4chan shitposters and they crawl out the woodwork to troll and make nonsense, word salad "arguments" to try and "own the libs." I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and taking you seriously because I don't think that's what you're doing. But that kind of behavior is an epidemic on social media and it causes many users to dismiss anything resembling those people out of hand because they're so ubiquitous and there's no point in engaging with them. Social media is garbage and has caused a marked decline in meaningful discourse. But that's a whole other can of worms.

For the first point i meant the idea of cops or peacekeepers in general, plenty of people have argued about having them, mostly leftist anarchists (no exaggeration had it in their profile icons) and one hundred percent, not just flawed but broken system of having cops not being properly evaluated or down right ignoring red flags for recruiting people, and more so their tendencies to attempt to cover up mistakes and abuses of power. I know you also said no one is holding innocent people accountable but once again, there are people who go after friends and family of cops, most likely radical leftists but you get the point, im sure the majority of protesters don't do this and I can just set that aside. But as you said in your second paragraph, "

Did you help cover for this Amazon shooter? Did you stop other people from intervening when he was shooting someone? Did you aid your warehouse/office/whatever place of business in sweeping the crime under the rug? If you didn't, then the situations are not remotely the same thing and you aren't complicit in anything."

What of Cops who don't actively aid in covering the backs of people who abuse their power but also don't call it out? Some people have also called this complicit but im just curious based on your wording here. (Also the Amazon comparison was in reference to the robbery where a shootout cost the life of a black delivery driver where Amazon credited the officers but didn't show much condolences to the victim, argument being should you quit if people consider working for amazon essentially agreeing with them.) I think systems should be put in place to let people speak out about police brutality, but most importantly systems of checks and balances on officers on each other to monitor and report instances of excessive force.

And i know I agree, change doesn't come without sacrifice, people are going to get attacked verbally and fucked over. But shit has gone too far in places. One officer David Dorn lost his life over looters robbing a TV, a black man mind you. The right has already weaponized him as a talking point versus the left and the left are just flat out ignoring his death mostly, as if his occupation invalidated his skin color. This stuff never sits right with me, not to mention independent business owners getting their shops ransacked,stores robbed, and in one case a black shop owner watching his shop burn to the ground. Im aware of fund raisers made to pay these people back, and most stores are super successful super chains and these looters are just opportunists taking advantage of a man's death to get materialistic goods but people who work low paying minimum jobs are going to be the ones who end up having to deal with their work places being fucked, and worse off seeing one of the leaders of BLM openly endorse robbing and looting doesn't sit right with me, I don't think they're aware or really care to be in terms of damage but it feels like their asking people who already hate them to have more reasons to.

Hell im sure most people are aware of the 1992 LA riots where Koreans were a primary target of discrimination for little to no reason and had to defend themselves and their shops, that could happen again if we aren't careful, people shooting each other just to ensure they don't get robbed.

Also i do agree with your comment on the "Kill all cops" tolerance paradox, but at the same time it's not being beneficial. I think people are right to vent but it leads to people on twitter who vent very very vocally there all the time to the point twitter becomes their inner voice that can be directed at anyone they want. I get they're sick and tired, Hell I am, i wanna go back to a point I didn't have to worry about a person's race or gender because I didn't think about those things, but now i feel like your value on social media is defined by your sexuality and race. I want them to feel that way to, not to have to care about what they are and focus on who they are, I almost was compelled to go to the protest, Atlanta is 2 hours from where I live and if i had a car, didn't live with immune compromised people, I probably would've. Even if there are things about this i disagree with I would still protest in my own way. I'll support defunding police, I'll support BLM, and while i can agree with ACAB as I understand it now, im unsure i can fully agree with it as how it give people who arent left an impression of it.

Even if the number of "good cops" is ridiculously small they don't deserve to be thrust into scrutiny under the actions of their partners. you mentioned if they feel bad they should quit but what good does it do to encourage the actual genuine people who do their job to outright quit? If that happens ACAB will become very very literal, left with nothing but the people who do abuse their power, I think people who don't should be supported and shouldn't be cast in ire. I want to the bigger system at large accountable, and job itself accountable, fix said system so it can actually work. I get ACAB is just a catch slogan but it's given me and alot of other centrists and non leftist people its people being ignorant and actively criticizing people who are cops rather than cops as a whole (One person had their twitter name changed to "Yes all cops,") you did show me I was incorrect, i get the idea its supposed to showcase how widely spread police brutality is and how big a problem it is currently and I'm glad to be correct on my impression of what ACAB stands for.

I forgot to respond to the "kill all cops" comment in my main post. People advocating for violence against groups that actively commit violence against them is justified. Have you heard of the tolerance paradox? If a society wishes to maintain tolerant values, it cannot tolerate those who perpetuate intolerance, or it will allow intolerance to take over. Sometimes in order to oppose violence, you have to BE violent. But really, like you said, most of these people are not actually looking to go out on a pig roasting spree. They're just blowing off steam because they're sick and tired of seeing people like them getting killed. They're scared and angry. How can you fault them for wishing death on the people who threaten their lives? It's just self-preservation. They just want to not have to worry about the police anymore and they're venting those frustrations. It's not the same thing to wish death on a racial group for no reason as it is to wish death against an violent organization (whose members are there by choice) that is actively banding together to kill people and get away with it. One is a diverse, loose association with no real ties to each other beyond skin color, the other is an organized and omnipresent threat to many communities.