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9 years ago
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Felt like I needed to do this. I'm simply going to go down the website and say my thoughts on everything posted there. Some NSFW topics.
About Furries
What are furries?
"Furries are members of an internet subculture known as 'Furry' (often referred to as 'Furry Fandom'), they are commonly people who enjoy anthropomorphic animals - animals bearing the attributes of humans (Bugs Bunny is an example - he walks on two feet and acts human.)"
- Okay, I can go with that, good description.
" - seems innocent enough, right? No. You or I might enjoy Bugs Bunny, or Tom and Jerry cartoons or Chewbacca like any normal person, but Furries take their interest to an absurd extreme. An extreme never before seen, this is what makes Furries so hilarious and worthy of mockery. Furryism is, at it's core, the sexual objectification of animals."
- Well, first, its*. Second, furryism is not the sexual objectification of animals, it's the definition that you stated in the first sentence (people who enjoy anthropomorphic animals).
If Furries have been around for so long, why did I only just hear about them?
"This is a good question. From what I gather, Furries weren't ALWAYS the horrible throng of yiffing weirdos we know today, if you had ventured into alt.fan.furry in the early 90s you'd have simply seen a group of people discussing cartoons (You can verify this with Google Groups)."
- Yiffing weirdos? You certainly have a wide vocabulary. Yes, people interested in cartoons have been around since, well, cartoons were first made. Whoop-dee-doo.
"As far as I know, sometime around the mid-90s something happend to Furries and each successive year after that they have become more and more deranged, more and more weird, more and more obnoxious and more and wrong and in recent years they've had a lot of media exposure because of their oddball antics."
- Happened*. Yes, in the mid-90's* there was a community known for what they did, but in no way, shape or form do these people reflect the actions of the furries around two decades later. I would like to delve deeper into what you describe as 'oddball antics' as well; what does that mean? Raising money for charity? Having conventions? If it has to do with terrible acts committed by furries, then I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean anything to anyone. If a furry was caught for murder and a regular man was caught for murder, which do you think would get more media attention? Obviously the furry, just because that makes a more interesting story. 'Man Charged for Murder' or 'Furry Charged for Murder'? There you go. The end. There are a few exceptions (or, rather, only one that I know of) to this. For example, the recent child rape case in Pennsylvania. That is one of the few that is actually connected directly to the perpetrators' fandoms/ fetishes. However, once again, would 'Men Rape 15-Year-Old' or 'Furries Rape 15-Year-Old' get more attention? Even if the inappropriate use of suits/ costumes didn't happen, it would still have attention. Might also want to fix your run-on sentence there, buddy.
"If you venture into the furry newsgroups these days you'll encounter people who... er.. well, lets put it this way: Remember your mother used to warn you not to take sweeties from strangers? Some of the people inhabiting the furry newsgroups are the kind of people she was worried about. "Bunny boilers" is a good term."
- News sources used to be used, but now it's just spam, really. As one of the creators states, "It might have resulted in a lot of flatulent and nasty posts eventually, but for a few years in the mid to late 90's, and maybe beyond, it made a big, positive difference to many, many people's lives." There is no reason for you to take a stab at websites no longer used by legitimate furry sources. End of story.
Is the owner of this website a Furry?
- Obviously not.
"Christ no. I feel it's important to mock them, laugh at them and make them angry, it's also HEAPS of fun due to their persecution complex."
- There is no persecution complex within the fandom. Want to know why? Because we don't have an irrational fear of collective hostility. Your entire website proves that our collective fear as a community is very, very rational and real. We don't hate you, I don't hate you, I just want you to understand why we're tired of being treated like this.
"Though it is a common misconception among Furries that anyone who criticizes them must be, or was at one time a Furry who has become disgruntled and bitter - Perhaps, for example, no one bought their incredibly detailed painting of Bambi using Thumper's left nostril for sexual gratification - I think this is because most Furries don't understand that the outside world considers them a laughing stock."
- I don't really understand this sentence, it's another slight run-on. The grammar and spelling are killing me slowly. Anyways, uh, no? Criticism is how we run. Need help with your artwork? Criticism and feedback! Need help with your fursuit? Criticism and feedback! Although, criticism is quite a negative word. If people were criticizing my work rather than giving me feedback, then I would probably be angry, too. Are you a cook? If you are, then it would be better to hear "This could use a bit more pepper" than "this ****ing sucks ass", wouldn't it? Obviously. Different people take criticism in different ways, so don't put everyone under an umbrella. Also, "I think this is because most Furries don't understand that the outside world considers them a laughing stock". Back the hell up, didn't you just say furries have a persecution complex? How could we be scared of others berating us and at the same time frolick through a field of daisies without a care in the world? Riddle me this, Batman.
"Since there's considerably more internal Furry drama than external, it's much more likely to them that a disgruntled Furry would try to cause trouble. In short, they honestly don't understand why anyone would hate them."
- I can agree on that, there's more internal drama than external. I try to avoid that. However, isn't drama found in every fandom? Every discussion? Behind every politician?? And again, how can we be happy lunatics if we all have persecution complexes?
How far do they take things?
"I firmly believe that nothing is beyond Furries. Some will sink to any level to gratify their sexual urges."
- I firmly believe that nothing is beyond normal people. Some will sink to any level to gratify their sexual urges.
"A lot of furries assure me that not ALL Furries like looking at poorly drawn pictures of cartoon characters having sex, not ALL Furries like reading Rescue Rangers erotic fiction, not ALL Furries have sex in Fursuits, not ALL Furries own a collection of specially modified 'yiffable' soft toys, not ALL Furries do these things - it's just the 'Furverts' it's just some bad 'Fursons' that are into those things."
- Hmm, I wonder if those two vocabulary words are acually used. Anyways, this clumped sentence is true. Not all furries like erotic art, or reading erotic stories, or have sex in mursuits (yes, not fursuits, mursuits, look it up), or do any of that. And you know what? Not all normal people like erotic art, or erotic stories, or have sex in general, or do any of that either. Magic.
"Furryism is like an onion. Consider an onion - it has layers upon layers of skin that can be peeled away. Furryism is like that, but instead of layers of onion skins furryism has layers upon layers of what is scientifically known as "Horrible disgusting shit"."
- I would like to have the contact information of the scientist who told you this. Note: Yes, this is sarcasm. Wow, a furry can be sarcastic, too? You learned something new today.
"And, like an onion, as you peel away more and more layers of horrible disgusting shit you tend to start weeping uncontrollably. While it is entirely fair to say "Not all furries are into [Horrible sexual deviance of choice]", it is a misleading statement that doesn't tell the whole story."
- As you peel away more and more layers of horrible stuff from normal people, you will find that the same is true.
"Consider a group of ten people - 3 of them are paedophiles, 3 of them are zoophiles, 3 of them are rapists and 1 of them has a thing for corpses. Now, it is entirely truthful to say "Hey, not all of these people are into having sex with corpses" but that doesn't tell the whole story - it is instead more accurate to say "Hey, ALL of these people are into some really horrible stuff", and so it is with furryism."
- Alright, considering ten people... Okay then... What? 3 are sexually attracted to children, 3 are sexually attracted to animals, 3 of them had sex without consent and 1 is sexually attracted to corpses. There's this thing called 'bestiality' that you probably didn't see while you were googling all of this, and that's not what furries are about. Zoophilia, similarly, is sexual attraction to animals, NOT anthropomorphic characters with human characteristics.
"If you go to any of the more popular Furry websites, all you'll see for miles and miles is pictures of various cartoon characters, or "fursonas" engaged in all manner of depravity - this represents the majority of furry art."
- How would you know? Seriously, how would you know that this represents the majority of furry art? Hell, I don't even know. It would take years of research and calculations to figure that out (and I get the feeling you're not smart or patient enough for that). There are age blocking options for that exact reason.
"When you type 'fursuit gallery' into google, one of the top 5 results is "Female fursuit sex gallery lesbians lolita teen preteen 13-year ..." (in fact a lot of innocent queries related to Furryism will bring up a plethora of Furry porn/paedo websites). This is furries are the internet's #1 laughing stock - they earned it."
- Search that again. I dare you. It's 2017 now, luv, not the 90's. We've been crawling out of this trench full of rumors for over twenty years, there's no reason to dwell on the past.
Two Groups: Group 1
"Lets put Furries into two groups here: In group 1 we have the people who have an obsession with anthropomorphic animals and artwork, these are your low-level Furries - they might draw anthropomorphic animals, they might have websites on the subject, they might post on messageboards about furryism, they might REALLY REALLY REALLY like Lilo and Stich (If you know what I mean)."
- Let's*, message boards*, please stop with the run-on sentences. God, it's like this page was written by a twelve-year-old. Also, low-level? Do we have levels now? What? Am I only level 4? :c I'm level 8 on Furry Amino, so I guess not. I also don't know how or why you put people creating furry websites in 'Group 1', as these people could be fursuit creators, for all you know!
"For all intents and purposes these Furries are KIND of like any other fanatic with access to the internet, on average they're just a bit dimmer than your usual fat nerd that attends a Star Trek convention dressed as Mr. Spock. I say "just a bit dimmer" because the guy who dresses up as Mr. Spock doesn't actually believe that the spirit of Mr. Spock is living inside his body and guiding his actions - such as a lot of furries believe in regards to their "animal spirit". Regardless, they are still obnoxious people and most definatley into some of that "Horrible, disgusting shit.""
- What... what the fuck? I'm not even going to avoid swearing at this point. What the fuck? You definitely* don't know any furries, that's for sure. There are many amazing, talented people out there. You can NOT generalize everyone into a category or two. You CANNOT generalize anyone, furry or not, especially when you live in the past. That can literally get you killed in this world. I hope you're not a Neo-Nazi, I'm not even being sarcastic at this point. Some people believe that they are spiritually connected to animals, furry or not. To each their own.
Two Groups: Group 2
- Oh boy, here we go.
"Then there are the very insane, very horrible, very obnoxious Furries. These Furries long ago abandoned all that is good and decent in order to live a life of depravity and sin - they have invested their lives in evil."
- ....? Alright, so you went from writing like a twelve-year-old to writing a novel. You have a terrible editor. Again, you're putting people under an umbrella, not a healthy habit.
"If you read Furry usenet groups, message boards or hang out in a Furry IRC channel, these are the Furries you most likely will encounter, these people make up the majority of internet Furries and own the majority of internet Furry websites. Lets list the things they're into..."
- Again, what the fuck? Did you do the research to figure this stuff out? You still don't seem like that sort of person, so I'll just put down... a tally... right here on my paper of fucks that you didn't give while writing this. Currently you're in the twenties.
"Fursuit Sex: This is an activity where two Furries (Usually both male, as the sexuality of most all Furries can be well-described by the term "Jailhouse Gay" - in other words, heterosexual by nature, but currently homosexual because women won't touch them.) dress up in Fursuits and have sex while making sounds akin to whatever particular animal they're dressed up as. Enchanting."
- Wow, your sarcasm is so impressive. Some people are into that sort of thing, but they use 'mursuits' (again, look it up please. Please. You'll be even more disgusted and I'll get to laugh at you). I don't really know what to say about the "Jailhouse Gay" thing other than this: Wow, you researched this? How many guys did you have to fuck to figure that out? Must've been a lot of research. Pretty sure a guy made this page, right? Congratulations. You love umbrellas, huh?
"Plushie Sex: This one's even better. You know those little Lion King plush dolls you can get? Well, on some plush dolls there's a little zipper and if you unzip it you gain access the soft foam inside. The zipper also creates a convenient 'Hole,' and if there is no outer access to the foam there, you can just cut a hole with a knife. Furries will cut a hole in a soft toy and have sex with it. Most of the time they don't bother to do this themselves though, since there are people out there who pre-modify plush toys and sell them on at a profit - you can often find them on furbid. Some of them come pre-fitted with rubber vaginas."
- Ew, I guess you actually researched this option. Again, to each their own. This is one of the few things that I can't wrap my head around, but there's no reason to go around making fun of people for it. Some people hump their pillows, I bet you'd rather do that too. There are weird things like this in both the furry and normal communities, so why bash it if it's specifically a furry?
"Erotic Art: Now sure, there's lots of erotic art on the internet. Some of it is very good and is created by accomplished artists - not really my thing, but if that floats your boat then go for it. However, Furry erotic art is.. different to say the least. Would you like to see some? Please! avoid clicking if you value your sanity. Here you go. Oh, how about some more? I feel the point where you take an interest in anthropomorphic animals and turn it into images depicting them shitting and pissing on each other is the point where I can truely say that you diserve everything you get. This is the art that is the staple of the Furry community, all of the top (ha!) furry artists are into this."
- Truly*, deserve*. You say that there's good erotic art online, but then say that furry erotic art is disgusting. To me, any erotic art is disgusting. Again, to each their own, but seriously. If you don't like something, ignore it instead of getting butthurt. The only difference between any normal erotic art and furry erotic art is that furry art can feature anthropomorphic characteristics on something.
Fursuit Conventions
- Oh boy, I want to hear what this one says.
"This is a huge Furry event, there's lots of different 'cons' each year and they attract different crowds of Furries. Typically this is where most Fursuiting goes on, Furries will attend the convention in a Fursuit or some will just wear fake bunny-ears, or wings, or a tail or whatever they fancy."
- Okay, very informative, I like this summary.
"From what I hear, the smell of sweat and cheese is quite overpowering at a Furry con."
- Pffffft, cheese? What? Any and every convention can have sweaty people, but it's true, suiters can get sweaty quickly.
"The convention itself is usually full of Furry artists selling their wares, talking to the socially inept and drawing commissioned pictures of bigdick dragons and selling them in return for some insane price. There's also art workshops (This is where the newcomer Furry artist will learn the all important rule: Testicles must be drawn twenty times bigger than the head etc.), cartoons and of course.. soft toys for sale (wink wink!)."
- Erm, you literally just ripped out every possible sexual event from the description of conventions. Correction: It's full of artists selling their hand crafted, hand painted, or hand drawn wares, talking to people that had the courage to walk up to and talk to one of their favorite artists or suit makers, taking detailed commissions so that they can make a living. Also, I want to note here that you don't mention any positive events such as fundraising, fursuit interaction or anything. Shame.
"One of the biggest is AnthroCon. Another is Feral, which sees a group of Furries heading out to live in the wild for a few days a year. I have always wondered what they get upto at Feral, but I don't like to think about it much. I do, however, know that this picture was taken at Feral. Yes he's eating raw meat."
- I've never heard of Feral. Weird. Also, that picture is of four people standing together in a con space, not some guy eating meat.
-Woah, wait, the formatting is all wonky now. I guess I'll put these into different categories now.
"Erotic Fiction: Again, lots of this on the internet, but again we see that the Furry take on it is severely, severely twisted. Would you like me to read you some Furry erotic fiction?"
- No thank you, To each their own. If I read you normal erotic fiction, would you like it? I don't judge, but there's no real difference, sorry to break it to you.
"Internet Yiffing: You'll see this a lot if you hang around Furries. Basically this is kind of a mix between Fursuit Sex and Erotic Fiction, but on the internet. Two Furries together and they will have sex over the internet, by typing their actions into a chat client; AIM, IRC, ICQ whatever. So it looks a little like this."
- What furries do you hang out with? Oh, wait, you're not a furry, so none. Your statement is invalid. Any chats like this specifically state that they're NSFW, 18+, yadda yadda, and are otherwise private. Do your research.
"Bestiality: Yes, actual sex with animals. Many furries try to rationalise this - they will claim that their dog (or other animal) "consents" to being fucked in the ass. I disagree. Until your dog can speak forth an English sentence consenting to being fucked in the ass, your dog does not consent to being fucked in the ass, you sick motherfucker. Another rationalisation often used is that the animal "just came onto me". "It was his idea!" they will say - if a dog starts licking your balls, your dog is broken and should be put down and so should you."
- Who has tried to rationalize this to you? Who does this? It's illegal. Rationalization*. I wonder if you're in the UK. The amount of bestiality (not going to say 'illegal bestiality' since it's all illegal) between furries and regular people is probably the same. Still gross, I don't know who told you they did that. Oh, wait, nobody did, you're not a furry. Ha ha.
The Fursuit
"The Fursuit is just that, a fur suit. I'm sure you've seen those people at disneyland dressed up as Goofy, Mickey Mouse and so on. That's basically it. Most Furries come up with a 'character' to base their Fursuit on. The character is usually based on themselves, but with some animal element added into the mix (That said, most of them are wolves. Because furries are unimaginative dullards), and they'll break out the Fursuit whenever a Furry Con rolls around."
- Actually, characters in places like Disney are just character costumes.
"Some Fursuits have special holes cut in them, or have special zippers in certian areas, if you know what I mean. There are also bondage Fursuits avalible that can't be taken off without a key. If you want to see some examples of Fursuits, have a look at our gallery, or do a google search for "my fursuit" you'll generally find that some of them are very well made and you can see that a lot of time and effort gets put into them - just take a look at the awesome RoboWolf - cool! However most of them aren't very good."
- Oh, you actually do know what a mursuit is? It didn't seem like it before. Huh. The Robowolf 'suit' is also just a costume as far as I can tell, not a suit. You probably shouldn't make fun of people just because they aren't the most creative. I thought for a moment that you were genuinely complimenting furries, but I should've known since this entire website is sopping wet with sarcasm. Suit makers spend countless hours working on great fursuits, and people spend a lot of money for them. You should know (if you did any research) that there are plenty of fantastic fursuits out there.
Furries on TV
"There have been several good documentaries made about Furries, MTV made an especially good one. I'm not sure how you'd get ahold of the others, but This Furry is hosting the MTV documentary on his webspace. While I consider him a degenerate, it's very nice of him to host the MTV Documentary for Furries and non-Furries alike to watch."
- Documentaries? There have been very few factually correct television episodes documenting furries, so they aren't documentaries if they're incorrect. If they are correct in any fashion, then they are generally very biased.
"Remember though: Furries HATE this and other TV shows featuring Furries, they claim they only show the "bad" side of Furries and ignore the "Good" side, instead displaying them as obsessives with an overpowering fetish based on sexual attraction to animals - that sounds pretty accurate to me!"
- The sarcasm is killing me. Even I'm not this sarcastic. Anyways, yeah, no. Again, you defined the meaning of a furry in the beginning and it's certainly not that.
Well-known Furries
"Thankfully there aren't any. Furries will never achieve the level of social acceptance required to become 'known'. However, there is Dennis Smith."
- You know, there are probably a few popular people out there that are furries but just don't publicly state it. How would you know? Also, don't make fun of Dennis Smith please. He wanted to be a tiger, so he went for it. That doesn't mean he's a furry, because that doesn't display an interest in anthropomorphic characters, only an interest in being another species.
Other type of Furry
"There's only really one type of Furry (the horrible type), but some Furries might describe themselves differently depending on if they have a particular penchant towards one type of animal. There's one divergence point though: Dragons. Some Furries think their bodies are home to the spirits of ancient Dragons, or maybe they were once Angels that have fallen to earth, now this is all completely insane of course, but at this point a furry becomes "Otherkin"."
- I don't really know what to say about this, again it's dripping in sarcasm but it is factual.
"Otherkin aren't technically Furries, though they share some of the same characteristics. Generally, Otherkin aren't so bad when compared to Furries. In my experience, for Otherkin their subculture is more about their own spirituality rather than drawing pictures of the Care Bears engaged in an orgy with the Thundercats. So, while Otherkin are 100% demonstratably insane, their "thing" isn't the sexual objectification of animals. On average, Otherkin tend to be intelligent people - that is, compared to furries. And that's like saying a rock is intelligent compared to a puddle of mud."
- In your own experience? Trying to understand how you would be rude enough to hate on furries yet still converse with otherkin without insulting their mothers. And, again, did you do research to find out that people considered as Otherkin are more or less intelligent? No.
Should I hate Furries?
- Obviously not, this person just enjoys exposing negativity.
"You shouldn't hate someone for just being interested in the same things as Furries - perhaps they don't wear Fursuits? Perhaps they don't have sex with soft toys? Perhaps they don't LIKE looking at pictures of Darkwing Duck being sexually violated by Sebastian the crab while Jafar pisses on Chip N' Dale? Furryism is based on hijacking and retroactive branding, so someone that enjoys the same things as furries, may not be a furry at all."
- Hijacking and retroactive branding? Sorry, but you're the one doing the retroactive branding when you bring up things that happened in the 90's.
"No. You should hate stupid people, you should hate people that do and say stupid things and set themselves up for ridicule. You should mock them and belittle their works, you should hate people that choose a lifestyle based around wearing fursuits and shouting YIFF YIFF YIFF, people who sell crayon drawings of animals having sex, people who actually rape animals, you should mock people that view the animal planet channel as a form of pornography - the thing to remember is that the vast majority of furries are into one or more of these things."
- There's no reason to hate stupid people. People who are dumb can still be friendly and cheerful, including the person who came up with this page. Why should you mock people who are stupid? That just goes against any moral compass. Why should you hate people who wear fursuits? What are they doing wrong? People who wear fursuits don't mean any harm, and the majority just means to share in a community that has a similar mindset as them and to spread happiness through art. And, no, the vast majority of furries are not into whatever you think they are. You didn't research that, so don't act like you did.
The world is Furry.
- What? xD
"This is an attempt to retroactivley classify things as "furry" - you'll find some furries that will try to tell you that the ancient Egyptians were furries. This is hijacking - not to mention really, really stupid. Furries don't have any significant culture or accomplishments of their own, so they steal them from other places and brand them "furry". Here's an example: Do you remember watching Thundercats as a kid? Remember how Lion-O was like half-lion-half-man or some junk? Fast forward to today - oh snap! Lion-O is a furry. Look now, see what they did to Lion-O. Actually it'd probably be better if you didn't click that, still my point about hijacking stands."
- Retroactively*. The ancient Egyptians were not furries, they believed to have spiritual connections with animals (or rather, that certain animals were connected with certain gods, but I suppose you don't want a history lesson). As a person that isn't a furry, you don't have the right to say that we have no culture. We have customs, art, social order and achievements as a group, do we not? Conventions, raising money for charity, dances, all of that. It's a part of the beauty of our social group. I have no idea who Lion-O is, but no, Lion-O is not a furry, Lion-O is a character that furries may enjoy.
"Now, I enjoy Chewbacca (from the Star Wars movies), he's great! He speaks in howls and grunts, he's HUGE, he's covered in brown fur, he smells bad and he's pretty old. Unfortunatley not only did I just describe Chewbacca, I just described a large amount of Furries. Some Furries would consider me a Furry due the fact that I think Chewbacca is cool. But to some Furries, if you display any kind of interest in something they define as 'furry' they'll instantly consider you a furry. This is a further example of hijacking and retroactive branding - first, broadly define a term so that you can cram as much stuff in there as possible. Step two: Slap a big old label on it. Step three: Success! You no longer feel like a gigantic social outcast, because, hey... furries are everywhere! Did you know that the ancient Egyptians were furries?"
- Chewbacca is cool, I agree. Most furries are younger, though, and I'm pretty sure all of us know a language or two. Being a furry can be different from your viewpoint than from someone else's viewpoint, so you shouldn't be too harsh on people for assuming if you're a furry or not.
Anyways, in summary, the guy who created this page didn't really think it through. They kind of sound like a sociopath. Maybe they need friends.
About Furries
What are furries?
"Furries are members of an internet subculture known as 'Furry' (often referred to as 'Furry Fandom'), they are commonly people who enjoy anthropomorphic animals - animals bearing the attributes of humans (Bugs Bunny is an example - he walks on two feet and acts human.)"
- Okay, I can go with that, good description.
" - seems innocent enough, right? No. You or I might enjoy Bugs Bunny, or Tom and Jerry cartoons or Chewbacca like any normal person, but Furries take their interest to an absurd extreme. An extreme never before seen, this is what makes Furries so hilarious and worthy of mockery. Furryism is, at it's core, the sexual objectification of animals."
- Well, first, its*. Second, furryism is not the sexual objectification of animals, it's the definition that you stated in the first sentence (people who enjoy anthropomorphic animals).
If Furries have been around for so long, why did I only just hear about them?
"This is a good question. From what I gather, Furries weren't ALWAYS the horrible throng of yiffing weirdos we know today, if you had ventured into alt.fan.furry in the early 90s you'd have simply seen a group of people discussing cartoons (You can verify this with Google Groups)."
- Yiffing weirdos? You certainly have a wide vocabulary. Yes, people interested in cartoons have been around since, well, cartoons were first made. Whoop-dee-doo.
"As far as I know, sometime around the mid-90s something happend to Furries and each successive year after that they have become more and more deranged, more and more weird, more and more obnoxious and more and wrong and in recent years they've had a lot of media exposure because of their oddball antics."
- Happened*. Yes, in the mid-90's* there was a community known for what they did, but in no way, shape or form do these people reflect the actions of the furries around two decades later. I would like to delve deeper into what you describe as 'oddball antics' as well; what does that mean? Raising money for charity? Having conventions? If it has to do with terrible acts committed by furries, then I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean anything to anyone. If a furry was caught for murder and a regular man was caught for murder, which do you think would get more media attention? Obviously the furry, just because that makes a more interesting story. 'Man Charged for Murder' or 'Furry Charged for Murder'? There you go. The end. There are a few exceptions (or, rather, only one that I know of) to this. For example, the recent child rape case in Pennsylvania. That is one of the few that is actually connected directly to the perpetrators' fandoms/ fetishes. However, once again, would 'Men Rape 15-Year-Old' or 'Furries Rape 15-Year-Old' get more attention? Even if the inappropriate use of suits/ costumes didn't happen, it would still have attention. Might also want to fix your run-on sentence there, buddy.
"If you venture into the furry newsgroups these days you'll encounter people who... er.. well, lets put it this way: Remember your mother used to warn you not to take sweeties from strangers? Some of the people inhabiting the furry newsgroups are the kind of people she was worried about. "Bunny boilers" is a good term."
- News sources used to be used, but now it's just spam, really. As one of the creators states, "It might have resulted in a lot of flatulent and nasty posts eventually, but for a few years in the mid to late 90's, and maybe beyond, it made a big, positive difference to many, many people's lives." There is no reason for you to take a stab at websites no longer used by legitimate furry sources. End of story.
Is the owner of this website a Furry?
- Obviously not.
"Christ no. I feel it's important to mock them, laugh at them and make them angry, it's also HEAPS of fun due to their persecution complex."
- There is no persecution complex within the fandom. Want to know why? Because we don't have an irrational fear of collective hostility. Your entire website proves that our collective fear as a community is very, very rational and real. We don't hate you, I don't hate you, I just want you to understand why we're tired of being treated like this.
"Though it is a common misconception among Furries that anyone who criticizes them must be, or was at one time a Furry who has become disgruntled and bitter - Perhaps, for example, no one bought their incredibly detailed painting of Bambi using Thumper's left nostril for sexual gratification - I think this is because most Furries don't understand that the outside world considers them a laughing stock."
- I don't really understand this sentence, it's another slight run-on. The grammar and spelling are killing me slowly. Anyways, uh, no? Criticism is how we run. Need help with your artwork? Criticism and feedback! Need help with your fursuit? Criticism and feedback! Although, criticism is quite a negative word. If people were criticizing my work rather than giving me feedback, then I would probably be angry, too. Are you a cook? If you are, then it would be better to hear "This could use a bit more pepper" than "this ****ing sucks ass", wouldn't it? Obviously. Different people take criticism in different ways, so don't put everyone under an umbrella. Also, "I think this is because most Furries don't understand that the outside world considers them a laughing stock". Back the hell up, didn't you just say furries have a persecution complex? How could we be scared of others berating us and at the same time frolick through a field of daisies without a care in the world? Riddle me this, Batman.
"Since there's considerably more internal Furry drama than external, it's much more likely to them that a disgruntled Furry would try to cause trouble. In short, they honestly don't understand why anyone would hate them."
- I can agree on that, there's more internal drama than external. I try to avoid that. However, isn't drama found in every fandom? Every discussion? Behind every politician?? And again, how can we be happy lunatics if we all have persecution complexes?
How far do they take things?
"I firmly believe that nothing is beyond Furries. Some will sink to any level to gratify their sexual urges."
- I firmly believe that nothing is beyond normal people. Some will sink to any level to gratify their sexual urges.
"A lot of furries assure me that not ALL Furries like looking at poorly drawn pictures of cartoon characters having sex, not ALL Furries like reading Rescue Rangers erotic fiction, not ALL Furries have sex in Fursuits, not ALL Furries own a collection of specially modified 'yiffable' soft toys, not ALL Furries do these things - it's just the 'Furverts' it's just some bad 'Fursons' that are into those things."
- Hmm, I wonder if those two vocabulary words are acually used. Anyways, this clumped sentence is true. Not all furries like erotic art, or reading erotic stories, or have sex in mursuits (yes, not fursuits, mursuits, look it up), or do any of that. And you know what? Not all normal people like erotic art, or erotic stories, or have sex in general, or do any of that either. Magic.
"Furryism is like an onion. Consider an onion - it has layers upon layers of skin that can be peeled away. Furryism is like that, but instead of layers of onion skins furryism has layers upon layers of what is scientifically known as "Horrible disgusting shit"."
- I would like to have the contact information of the scientist who told you this. Note: Yes, this is sarcasm. Wow, a furry can be sarcastic, too? You learned something new today.
"And, like an onion, as you peel away more and more layers of horrible disgusting shit you tend to start weeping uncontrollably. While it is entirely fair to say "Not all furries are into [Horrible sexual deviance of choice]", it is a misleading statement that doesn't tell the whole story."
- As you peel away more and more layers of horrible stuff from normal people, you will find that the same is true.
"Consider a group of ten people - 3 of them are paedophiles, 3 of them are zoophiles, 3 of them are rapists and 1 of them has a thing for corpses. Now, it is entirely truthful to say "Hey, not all of these people are into having sex with corpses" but that doesn't tell the whole story - it is instead more accurate to say "Hey, ALL of these people are into some really horrible stuff", and so it is with furryism."
- Alright, considering ten people... Okay then... What? 3 are sexually attracted to children, 3 are sexually attracted to animals, 3 of them had sex without consent and 1 is sexually attracted to corpses. There's this thing called 'bestiality' that you probably didn't see while you were googling all of this, and that's not what furries are about. Zoophilia, similarly, is sexual attraction to animals, NOT anthropomorphic characters with human characteristics.
"If you go to any of the more popular Furry websites, all you'll see for miles and miles is pictures of various cartoon characters, or "fursonas" engaged in all manner of depravity - this represents the majority of furry art."
- How would you know? Seriously, how would you know that this represents the majority of furry art? Hell, I don't even know. It would take years of research and calculations to figure that out (and I get the feeling you're not smart or patient enough for that). There are age blocking options for that exact reason.
"When you type 'fursuit gallery' into google, one of the top 5 results is "Female fursuit sex gallery lesbians lolita teen preteen 13-year ..." (in fact a lot of innocent queries related to Furryism will bring up a plethora of Furry porn/paedo websites). This is furries are the internet's #1 laughing stock - they earned it."
- Search that again. I dare you. It's 2017 now, luv, not the 90's. We've been crawling out of this trench full of rumors for over twenty years, there's no reason to dwell on the past.
Two Groups: Group 1
"Lets put Furries into two groups here: In group 1 we have the people who have an obsession with anthropomorphic animals and artwork, these are your low-level Furries - they might draw anthropomorphic animals, they might have websites on the subject, they might post on messageboards about furryism, they might REALLY REALLY REALLY like Lilo and Stich (If you know what I mean)."
- Let's*, message boards*, please stop with the run-on sentences. God, it's like this page was written by a twelve-year-old. Also, low-level? Do we have levels now? What? Am I only level 4? :c I'm level 8 on Furry Amino, so I guess not. I also don't know how or why you put people creating furry websites in 'Group 1', as these people could be fursuit creators, for all you know!
"For all intents and purposes these Furries are KIND of like any other fanatic with access to the internet, on average they're just a bit dimmer than your usual fat nerd that attends a Star Trek convention dressed as Mr. Spock. I say "just a bit dimmer" because the guy who dresses up as Mr. Spock doesn't actually believe that the spirit of Mr. Spock is living inside his body and guiding his actions - such as a lot of furries believe in regards to their "animal spirit". Regardless, they are still obnoxious people and most definatley into some of that "Horrible, disgusting shit.""
- What... what the fuck? I'm not even going to avoid swearing at this point. What the fuck? You definitely* don't know any furries, that's for sure. There are many amazing, talented people out there. You can NOT generalize everyone into a category or two. You CANNOT generalize anyone, furry or not, especially when you live in the past. That can literally get you killed in this world. I hope you're not a Neo-Nazi, I'm not even being sarcastic at this point. Some people believe that they are spiritually connected to animals, furry or not. To each their own.
Two Groups: Group 2
- Oh boy, here we go.
"Then there are the very insane, very horrible, very obnoxious Furries. These Furries long ago abandoned all that is good and decent in order to live a life of depravity and sin - they have invested their lives in evil."
- ....? Alright, so you went from writing like a twelve-year-old to writing a novel. You have a terrible editor. Again, you're putting people under an umbrella, not a healthy habit.
"If you read Furry usenet groups, message boards or hang out in a Furry IRC channel, these are the Furries you most likely will encounter, these people make up the majority of internet Furries and own the majority of internet Furry websites. Lets list the things they're into..."
- Again, what the fuck? Did you do the research to figure this stuff out? You still don't seem like that sort of person, so I'll just put down... a tally... right here on my paper of fucks that you didn't give while writing this. Currently you're in the twenties.
"Fursuit Sex: This is an activity where two Furries (Usually both male, as the sexuality of most all Furries can be well-described by the term "Jailhouse Gay" - in other words, heterosexual by nature, but currently homosexual because women won't touch them.) dress up in Fursuits and have sex while making sounds akin to whatever particular animal they're dressed up as. Enchanting."
- Wow, your sarcasm is so impressive. Some people are into that sort of thing, but they use 'mursuits' (again, look it up please. Please. You'll be even more disgusted and I'll get to laugh at you). I don't really know what to say about the "Jailhouse Gay" thing other than this: Wow, you researched this? How many guys did you have to fuck to figure that out? Must've been a lot of research. Pretty sure a guy made this page, right? Congratulations. You love umbrellas, huh?
"Plushie Sex: This one's even better. You know those little Lion King plush dolls you can get? Well, on some plush dolls there's a little zipper and if you unzip it you gain access the soft foam inside. The zipper also creates a convenient 'Hole,' and if there is no outer access to the foam there, you can just cut a hole with a knife. Furries will cut a hole in a soft toy and have sex with it. Most of the time they don't bother to do this themselves though, since there are people out there who pre-modify plush toys and sell them on at a profit - you can often find them on furbid. Some of them come pre-fitted with rubber vaginas."
- Ew, I guess you actually researched this option. Again, to each their own. This is one of the few things that I can't wrap my head around, but there's no reason to go around making fun of people for it. Some people hump their pillows, I bet you'd rather do that too. There are weird things like this in both the furry and normal communities, so why bash it if it's specifically a furry?
"Erotic Art: Now sure, there's lots of erotic art on the internet. Some of it is very good and is created by accomplished artists - not really my thing, but if that floats your boat then go for it. However, Furry erotic art is.. different to say the least. Would you like to see some? Please! avoid clicking if you value your sanity. Here you go. Oh, how about some more? I feel the point where you take an interest in anthropomorphic animals and turn it into images depicting them shitting and pissing on each other is the point where I can truely say that you diserve everything you get. This is the art that is the staple of the Furry community, all of the top (ha!) furry artists are into this."
- Truly*, deserve*. You say that there's good erotic art online, but then say that furry erotic art is disgusting. To me, any erotic art is disgusting. Again, to each their own, but seriously. If you don't like something, ignore it instead of getting butthurt. The only difference between any normal erotic art and furry erotic art is that furry art can feature anthropomorphic characteristics on something.
Fursuit Conventions
- Oh boy, I want to hear what this one says.
"This is a huge Furry event, there's lots of different 'cons' each year and they attract different crowds of Furries. Typically this is where most Fursuiting goes on, Furries will attend the convention in a Fursuit or some will just wear fake bunny-ears, or wings, or a tail or whatever they fancy."
- Okay, very informative, I like this summary.
"From what I hear, the smell of sweat and cheese is quite overpowering at a Furry con."
- Pffffft, cheese? What? Any and every convention can have sweaty people, but it's true, suiters can get sweaty quickly.
"The convention itself is usually full of Furry artists selling their wares, talking to the socially inept and drawing commissioned pictures of bigdick dragons and selling them in return for some insane price. There's also art workshops (This is where the newcomer Furry artist will learn the all important rule: Testicles must be drawn twenty times bigger than the head etc.), cartoons and of course.. soft toys for sale (wink wink!)."
- Erm, you literally just ripped out every possible sexual event from the description of conventions. Correction: It's full of artists selling their hand crafted, hand painted, or hand drawn wares, talking to people that had the courage to walk up to and talk to one of their favorite artists or suit makers, taking detailed commissions so that they can make a living. Also, I want to note here that you don't mention any positive events such as fundraising, fursuit interaction or anything. Shame.
"One of the biggest is AnthroCon. Another is Feral, which sees a group of Furries heading out to live in the wild for a few days a year. I have always wondered what they get upto at Feral, but I don't like to think about it much. I do, however, know that this picture was taken at Feral. Yes he's eating raw meat."
- I've never heard of Feral. Weird. Also, that picture is of four people standing together in a con space, not some guy eating meat.
-Woah, wait, the formatting is all wonky now. I guess I'll put these into different categories now.
"Erotic Fiction: Again, lots of this on the internet, but again we see that the Furry take on it is severely, severely twisted. Would you like me to read you some Furry erotic fiction?"
- No thank you, To each their own. If I read you normal erotic fiction, would you like it? I don't judge, but there's no real difference, sorry to break it to you.
"Internet Yiffing: You'll see this a lot if you hang around Furries. Basically this is kind of a mix between Fursuit Sex and Erotic Fiction, but on the internet. Two Furries together and they will have sex over the internet, by typing their actions into a chat client; AIM, IRC, ICQ whatever. So it looks a little like this."
- What furries do you hang out with? Oh, wait, you're not a furry, so none. Your statement is invalid. Any chats like this specifically state that they're NSFW, 18+, yadda yadda, and are otherwise private. Do your research.
"Bestiality: Yes, actual sex with animals. Many furries try to rationalise this - they will claim that their dog (or other animal) "consents" to being fucked in the ass. I disagree. Until your dog can speak forth an English sentence consenting to being fucked in the ass, your dog does not consent to being fucked in the ass, you sick motherfucker. Another rationalisation often used is that the animal "just came onto me". "It was his idea!" they will say - if a dog starts licking your balls, your dog is broken and should be put down and so should you."
- Who has tried to rationalize this to you? Who does this? It's illegal. Rationalization*. I wonder if you're in the UK. The amount of bestiality (not going to say 'illegal bestiality' since it's all illegal) between furries and regular people is probably the same. Still gross, I don't know who told you they did that. Oh, wait, nobody did, you're not a furry. Ha ha.
The Fursuit
"The Fursuit is just that, a fur suit. I'm sure you've seen those people at disneyland dressed up as Goofy, Mickey Mouse and so on. That's basically it. Most Furries come up with a 'character' to base their Fursuit on. The character is usually based on themselves, but with some animal element added into the mix (That said, most of them are wolves. Because furries are unimaginative dullards), and they'll break out the Fursuit whenever a Furry Con rolls around."
- Actually, characters in places like Disney are just character costumes.
"Some Fursuits have special holes cut in them, or have special zippers in certian areas, if you know what I mean. There are also bondage Fursuits avalible that can't be taken off without a key. If you want to see some examples of Fursuits, have a look at our gallery, or do a google search for "my fursuit" you'll generally find that some of them are very well made and you can see that a lot of time and effort gets put into them - just take a look at the awesome RoboWolf - cool! However most of them aren't very good."
- Oh, you actually do know what a mursuit is? It didn't seem like it before. Huh. The Robowolf 'suit' is also just a costume as far as I can tell, not a suit. You probably shouldn't make fun of people just because they aren't the most creative. I thought for a moment that you were genuinely complimenting furries, but I should've known since this entire website is sopping wet with sarcasm. Suit makers spend countless hours working on great fursuits, and people spend a lot of money for them. You should know (if you did any research) that there are plenty of fantastic fursuits out there.
Furries on TV
"There have been several good documentaries made about Furries, MTV made an especially good one. I'm not sure how you'd get ahold of the others, but This Furry is hosting the MTV documentary on his webspace. While I consider him a degenerate, it's very nice of him to host the MTV Documentary for Furries and non-Furries alike to watch."
- Documentaries? There have been very few factually correct television episodes documenting furries, so they aren't documentaries if they're incorrect. If they are correct in any fashion, then they are generally very biased.
"Remember though: Furries HATE this and other TV shows featuring Furries, they claim they only show the "bad" side of Furries and ignore the "Good" side, instead displaying them as obsessives with an overpowering fetish based on sexual attraction to animals - that sounds pretty accurate to me!"
- The sarcasm is killing me. Even I'm not this sarcastic. Anyways, yeah, no. Again, you defined the meaning of a furry in the beginning and it's certainly not that.
Well-known Furries
"Thankfully there aren't any. Furries will never achieve the level of social acceptance required to become 'known'. However, there is Dennis Smith."
- You know, there are probably a few popular people out there that are furries but just don't publicly state it. How would you know? Also, don't make fun of Dennis Smith please. He wanted to be a tiger, so he went for it. That doesn't mean he's a furry, because that doesn't display an interest in anthropomorphic characters, only an interest in being another species.
Other type of Furry
"There's only really one type of Furry (the horrible type), but some Furries might describe themselves differently depending on if they have a particular penchant towards one type of animal. There's one divergence point though: Dragons. Some Furries think their bodies are home to the spirits of ancient Dragons, or maybe they were once Angels that have fallen to earth, now this is all completely insane of course, but at this point a furry becomes "Otherkin"."
- I don't really know what to say about this, again it's dripping in sarcasm but it is factual.
"Otherkin aren't technically Furries, though they share some of the same characteristics. Generally, Otherkin aren't so bad when compared to Furries. In my experience, for Otherkin their subculture is more about their own spirituality rather than drawing pictures of the Care Bears engaged in an orgy with the Thundercats. So, while Otherkin are 100% demonstratably insane, their "thing" isn't the sexual objectification of animals. On average, Otherkin tend to be intelligent people - that is, compared to furries. And that's like saying a rock is intelligent compared to a puddle of mud."
- In your own experience? Trying to understand how you would be rude enough to hate on furries yet still converse with otherkin without insulting their mothers. And, again, did you do research to find out that people considered as Otherkin are more or less intelligent? No.
Should I hate Furries?
- Obviously not, this person just enjoys exposing negativity.
"You shouldn't hate someone for just being interested in the same things as Furries - perhaps they don't wear Fursuits? Perhaps they don't have sex with soft toys? Perhaps they don't LIKE looking at pictures of Darkwing Duck being sexually violated by Sebastian the crab while Jafar pisses on Chip N' Dale? Furryism is based on hijacking and retroactive branding, so someone that enjoys the same things as furries, may not be a furry at all."
- Hijacking and retroactive branding? Sorry, but you're the one doing the retroactive branding when you bring up things that happened in the 90's.
"No. You should hate stupid people, you should hate people that do and say stupid things and set themselves up for ridicule. You should mock them and belittle their works, you should hate people that choose a lifestyle based around wearing fursuits and shouting YIFF YIFF YIFF, people who sell crayon drawings of animals having sex, people who actually rape animals, you should mock people that view the animal planet channel as a form of pornography - the thing to remember is that the vast majority of furries are into one or more of these things."
- There's no reason to hate stupid people. People who are dumb can still be friendly and cheerful, including the person who came up with this page. Why should you mock people who are stupid? That just goes against any moral compass. Why should you hate people who wear fursuits? What are they doing wrong? People who wear fursuits don't mean any harm, and the majority just means to share in a community that has a similar mindset as them and to spread happiness through art. And, no, the vast majority of furries are not into whatever you think they are. You didn't research that, so don't act like you did.
The world is Furry.
- What? xD
"This is an attempt to retroactivley classify things as "furry" - you'll find some furries that will try to tell you that the ancient Egyptians were furries. This is hijacking - not to mention really, really stupid. Furries don't have any significant culture or accomplishments of their own, so they steal them from other places and brand them "furry". Here's an example: Do you remember watching Thundercats as a kid? Remember how Lion-O was like half-lion-half-man or some junk? Fast forward to today - oh snap! Lion-O is a furry. Look now, see what they did to Lion-O. Actually it'd probably be better if you didn't click that, still my point about hijacking stands."
- Retroactively*. The ancient Egyptians were not furries, they believed to have spiritual connections with animals (or rather, that certain animals were connected with certain gods, but I suppose you don't want a history lesson). As a person that isn't a furry, you don't have the right to say that we have no culture. We have customs, art, social order and achievements as a group, do we not? Conventions, raising money for charity, dances, all of that. It's a part of the beauty of our social group. I have no idea who Lion-O is, but no, Lion-O is not a furry, Lion-O is a character that furries may enjoy.
"Now, I enjoy Chewbacca (from the Star Wars movies), he's great! He speaks in howls and grunts, he's HUGE, he's covered in brown fur, he smells bad and he's pretty old. Unfortunatley not only did I just describe Chewbacca, I just described a large amount of Furries. Some Furries would consider me a Furry due the fact that I think Chewbacca is cool. But to some Furries, if you display any kind of interest in something they define as 'furry' they'll instantly consider you a furry. This is a further example of hijacking and retroactive branding - first, broadly define a term so that you can cram as much stuff in there as possible. Step two: Slap a big old label on it. Step three: Success! You no longer feel like a gigantic social outcast, because, hey... furries are everywhere! Did you know that the ancient Egyptians were furries?"
- Chewbacca is cool, I agree. Most furries are younger, though, and I'm pretty sure all of us know a language or two. Being a furry can be different from your viewpoint than from someone else's viewpoint, so you shouldn't be too harsh on people for assuming if you're a furry or not.
Anyways, in summary, the guy who created this page didn't really think it through. They kind of sound like a sociopath. Maybe they need friends.
