How To Take Commissions And Never Get In Trouble With Paypal
by RedBeanViolin
Digital Artist
Posted 14 years ago
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summercat. Please check user history for verification.Due to FA's image dimension restriction, I had to massivly shrink and re-format this version to fit into FA's limitations. You can view the full, properly formatted version here: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a.....aypal-full.jpg
On hidden comments: I read every comment and reply to those that require replies, however since there is a lot of irrelevant chit chat and same post comments, I have gone through and hidden comments that are not discussion or relevant information on the issue. I hope this will make finding information and starting discussions in the comments easier to do.
If this has been helpful to you, I encourage you to share it with your friends so that they too may reap the benefits of safe commissioning.
Moar advice:
I will edit this section as more questions come up1. "...by using the "invoice" function, you're agreeing to give PayPal that 2.9% + 30 cent cut of your revenue. When people send you payments under the "friends and family" option and fund those without using a credit card, then PayPal receives no cut.
Would it not be more prudent - and more profitable - to instruct commissioners on how to properly word a gift payment as to not fall under scrutiny with PayPal? "
You can never control what your commissioner is going to say. By selecting "send as gift" or other options, you are breaking their ToS and you will be so very banned if they catch you doing this, it seems pointless to me to add one MORE rule you are breaking in the pursuit of saving literally a few dollars. It only takes one slip up for it to happen. I have seen this happen and never advise people to tell people to send as anything but a service.
Never try to stretch your definition of "friend and family" and hope that "teeechnicly it COULD be your friend depending on your definition heheh" will fly. Paypal will not split hairs with you. If they decide that this person does not qualify to be your friend, their judgment is final. If you are constantly doing this with your commissions, it is going to be really bloody obvious that you are lying at even the quickest glance at your transaction history. These transactions are how paypal makes money, if they even think you are trying to rip them off, they will drop you without a second thought. After all, you're just dead weight if you're not paying your dues.
If you are concerned about paypal's cut and really really want that 50 cents to $2 they might take from it, include it in the price of the commission and all of these problems go away
It is against Paypal's ToS to charge an exact % to cover their fees (for some reason) so if you are worried about it, it is best to just add a flat $ increase to your actual commission prices (instead of charging $5 charge $6). The fees are so small on transactions that it's really not worth worrying about.
Paypal also limits the number of "gifts" any one person can send, gifts are also unavailable to accounts from many countries. If your commissioner asks that you send your payment as a gift, I strongly suggest that you refuse. When this person gets caught (and they will) anyone else participating in this fraud (you) will get banned as well. There really is no logical reason to ask or demand that someone do this for the 1.9 - 2.9% + 30cents (max) fee is not going to make or break a commission. The fees on a $100 commission is $3.20 USD. I pay more than that for postage on cheques. This is really not worth getting in trouble over, just pay the fees you agreed to pay for use of the service you are receiving.
More reasons never to send as gift as a buyer: Aside from the fact that you are committing fraud and will be just as at fault as the person telling you to do it when the banhammer comes to town, gifts are not "buyer protected" by paypal. WHat this means is that if your commission artist decides they're going to be a fuck wit and screw you over that paypal will not help you if they run off with your money. You are not a buyer, the money was a "gift" so they don't owe you anything.2. "Soo....if I start taking donations for my children's book to help with publishing costs, and 100 people send me "Gifts" transactions in a relatively short span of time (say, 2 months), they'll flag my account for fee evasion despite the fact that they are all truly Gifts? [...] They weren't buying "tickets"..i was rather specific about it in the journal, and only mentioned the word "raffle" (in response to a comment.) Anyways, one fellow wrote "donation/raffle" in the memo slot and paypal demanded I shut it down, "or else serious legal matters will be pursued..."
The safest way to receive donations is to set up a donation link with paypal, all payments will be registered as donations and you won't have to worry about hitting your gift limit or looking suspicious or having a user throw the word "raffle" or something you don't even know might red-flag you. If you set up a donation link for people to use, you can have it registered as whatever name you want and disallow comments to be posted in the memo.
You can create donation links in "Merchant Services" tab and selecting the "Donate" option from the "Create Buttons" column. After you fill out your "button info" and create button it will give you a code. Above that code are the tabs "website" and "e-mail". Click on "email" and it will give you the direct link to your donation page for people to use and you can use it anywhere (assuming you want a direct URL and not an actual paypal button).
Do note, however, that raffle and other "lottery" type activity is very strictly against Paypal's TOS3. "I always just tell my commissioners what to post in the comments or tell them to leave them blank, there's no need to do this."
I have taken hundreds, if not thousands of commissions via paypal over the past 10 or so years and for the most part telling them "Do not post anything" works out fine, but every once and a while, I get a commissioner who disregards my request and posts whatever they want. I do not draw anything that could possibly be misconstrued as against Paypal's ToS and have not taken commissions over FA using the old method so this has never ended badly for me. This is, unfortunately, not true for several people here on FA who have lost their accounts, despite also not breaking any ToS due to how comments where interpreted by paypal. All it takes is one person to say "Commission from FurAffintiy", for the rep checking it out to type "www.furaffinity.com", seeing something they don't like on the page and assuming that's what you're doing.
You can tell your commissioners anything you want, but at the end of the day, it is still up to them what they want to type into that box. When commissioners do this, they're not thinking "haha I'm going to rebel against their wishes", they're thinking "I want this commissioner to remember my request" or "I forgot to emphasize this" or "I will be nice and thank them!" or sometimes they even just forget.4. "So, I went hunting through settings, and I found an option to block commissioners from sending you money except in response to an invoice. Basically, if they try to do it the wrong way, it doesn't work. They have to send money in response to a payment request like the one you've so kindly showed us how to send.
The option is in kind of a back menu, the path I took to find it was:
My Account > Profile > My Selling Tools > Credit Card Statement Name > Block payment from users who: [x] Initiate payments from the Pay Anyone subtab of the Send Money tab
Here's a direct link to the menu where the option exists: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/customerprofileweb?cmd=_profile-pref&#ccName
The option appears to only be available on a business account." - Ataraxis
summercat. Please check user history for verification.Due to FA's image dimension restriction, I had to massivly shrink and re-format this version to fit into FA's limitations. You can view the full, properly formatted version here: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a.....aypal-full.jpgOn hidden comments: I read every comment and reply to those that require replies, however since there is a lot of irrelevant chit chat and same post comments, I have gone through and hidden comments that are not discussion or relevant information on the issue. I hope this will make finding information and starting discussions in the comments easier to do.
If this has been helpful to you, I encourage you to share it with your friends so that they too may reap the benefits of safe commissioning.
Moar advice:
I will edit this section as more questions come up1. "...by using the "invoice" function, you're agreeing to give PayPal that 2.9% + 30 cent cut of your revenue. When people send you payments under the "friends and family" option and fund those without using a credit card, then PayPal receives no cut.
Would it not be more prudent - and more profitable - to instruct commissioners on how to properly word a gift payment as to not fall under scrutiny with PayPal? "
You can never control what your commissioner is going to say. By selecting "send as gift" or other options, you are breaking their ToS and you will be so very banned if they catch you doing this, it seems pointless to me to add one MORE rule you are breaking in the pursuit of saving literally a few dollars. It only takes one slip up for it to happen. I have seen this happen and never advise people to tell people to send as anything but a service.
Never try to stretch your definition of "friend and family" and hope that "teeechnicly it COULD be your friend depending on your definition heheh" will fly. Paypal will not split hairs with you. If they decide that this person does not qualify to be your friend, their judgment is final. If you are constantly doing this with your commissions, it is going to be really bloody obvious that you are lying at even the quickest glance at your transaction history. These transactions are how paypal makes money, if they even think you are trying to rip them off, they will drop you without a second thought. After all, you're just dead weight if you're not paying your dues.
If you are concerned about paypal's cut and really really want that 50 cents to $2 they might take from it, include it in the price of the commission and all of these problems go away
It is against Paypal's ToS to charge an exact % to cover their fees (for some reason) so if you are worried about it, it is best to just add a flat $ increase to your actual commission prices (instead of charging $5 charge $6). The fees are so small on transactions that it's really not worth worrying about.
Paypal also limits the number of "gifts" any one person can send, gifts are also unavailable to accounts from many countries. If your commissioner asks that you send your payment as a gift, I strongly suggest that you refuse. When this person gets caught (and they will) anyone else participating in this fraud (you) will get banned as well. There really is no logical reason to ask or demand that someone do this for the 1.9 - 2.9% + 30cents (max) fee is not going to make or break a commission. The fees on a $100 commission is $3.20 USD. I pay more than that for postage on cheques. This is really not worth getting in trouble over, just pay the fees you agreed to pay for use of the service you are receiving.
More reasons never to send as gift as a buyer: Aside from the fact that you are committing fraud and will be just as at fault as the person telling you to do it when the banhammer comes to town, gifts are not "buyer protected" by paypal. WHat this means is that if your commission artist decides they're going to be a fuck wit and screw you over that paypal will not help you if they run off with your money. You are not a buyer, the money was a "gift" so they don't owe you anything.2. "Soo....if I start taking donations for my children's book to help with publishing costs, and 100 people send me "Gifts" transactions in a relatively short span of time (say, 2 months), they'll flag my account for fee evasion despite the fact that they are all truly Gifts? [...] They weren't buying "tickets"..i was rather specific about it in the journal, and only mentioned the word "raffle" (in response to a comment.) Anyways, one fellow wrote "donation/raffle" in the memo slot and paypal demanded I shut it down, "or else serious legal matters will be pursued..."
The safest way to receive donations is to set up a donation link with paypal, all payments will be registered as donations and you won't have to worry about hitting your gift limit or looking suspicious or having a user throw the word "raffle" or something you don't even know might red-flag you. If you set up a donation link for people to use, you can have it registered as whatever name you want and disallow comments to be posted in the memo.
You can create donation links in "Merchant Services" tab and selecting the "Donate" option from the "Create Buttons" column. After you fill out your "button info" and create button it will give you a code. Above that code are the tabs "website" and "e-mail". Click on "email" and it will give you the direct link to your donation page for people to use and you can use it anywhere (assuming you want a direct URL and not an actual paypal button).
Do note, however, that raffle and other "lottery" type activity is very strictly against Paypal's TOS3. "I always just tell my commissioners what to post in the comments or tell them to leave them blank, there's no need to do this."
I have taken hundreds, if not thousands of commissions via paypal over the past 10 or so years and for the most part telling them "Do not post anything" works out fine, but every once and a while, I get a commissioner who disregards my request and posts whatever they want. I do not draw anything that could possibly be misconstrued as against Paypal's ToS and have not taken commissions over FA using the old method so this has never ended badly for me. This is, unfortunately, not true for several people here on FA who have lost their accounts, despite also not breaking any ToS due to how comments where interpreted by paypal. All it takes is one person to say "Commission from FurAffintiy", for the rep checking it out to type "www.furaffinity.com", seeing something they don't like on the page and assuming that's what you're doing.
You can tell your commissioners anything you want, but at the end of the day, it is still up to them what they want to type into that box. When commissioners do this, they're not thinking "haha I'm going to rebel against their wishes", they're thinking "I want this commissioner to remember my request" or "I forgot to emphasize this" or "I will be nice and thank them!" or sometimes they even just forget.4. "So, I went hunting through settings, and I found an option to block commissioners from sending you money except in response to an invoice. Basically, if they try to do it the wrong way, it doesn't work. They have to send money in response to a payment request like the one you've so kindly showed us how to send.
The option is in kind of a back menu, the path I took to find it was:
My Account > Profile > My Selling Tools > Credit Card Statement Name > Block payment from users who: [x] Initiate payments from the Pay Anyone subtab of the Send Money tab
Here's a direct link to the menu where the option exists: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/customerprofileweb?cmd=_profile-pref&#ccName
The option appears to only be available on a business account." - Ataraxis
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...by using the "invoice" function, you're agreeing to give PayPal that 2.9% + 30 cent cut of your revenue. When people send you payments under the "friends and family" option and fund those without using a credit card, then PayPal receives no cut.
Would it not be more prudent - and more profitable - to instruct commissioners on how to properly word a gift payment as to not fall under scrutiny with PayPal?
The definition of a "friend" can be extremely liberal, and someone who is drawing for you could be included in that.
As far as "payment owed", the slightest of sketches could constitute work that payment is owed for, and the condition of "Work will be completed when payment owed is received"...technically that should be usable to skirt the spirit of the law, following the letter of the law, and being able to take commissions and not give PayPal one thin dime without technically breaking their ToS.
Paypal will not give 2 shits about "technically breaking their TOS". The will hold you to the spirit of the law. If you want to continue doing this, it is your choice, but please do NOT encourage other users to make these dangerous decisions.
BAD IDEA
BAD IDEA
BAD IDEA
BAD IDEA
Sorry, I'm not trying to be overly critical of you, but I cannot stress this enough. PLAY BY PAYPAL'S RULES as much as you can. YES, they are EVIL, but you can sidestep their evil more often by acknowledging the rules (and working discreetly, even if you go against them) and giving PayPal their fees.
What happens if you choose "money owed" too often, and hold out on giving PP their cut? YOU GET AUDITED. Audits can end any number of ways. Regardless, you DON'T want to be involved in one.
DON'T ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE FEE-FREE PAYPAL PAYMENTS FOR BUSINESS. DON'T DO IT. PLEASE. It hurts us all.
It's best used for when you REALLY need to use it, like when you're paying your roommate rent. Don't abuse it!!
To be quite frank. If you choose to do 'business' and receive payment. You should treat it like a business and follow through with proper procedure. Pay your fees and then when filing your taxes, (should you gross an amount that requires you to account for this income) and you will have no problems.
And what do you believe the best way to send money is via paypal, for artwork? As a good, payment owed, etc...? I've never tried dodging fees, but I've also never known what category artwork falls under.
Thank you so much for your valuable time and knowledge.
I always request and send payments for artwork as "services". Goods refers to physical goods are taxed differently depending on yours and the person receiving it's tax laws and can land you in trouble without tracking numbers and delivery notifications if your commissioner is a tool. Painting someone's fence is a service, even if you end up with the physical item of having a painted fence. I doubt you'll get into trouble regardless but that's how I play it.
Tax evasion is only a problem when the taxes would be worth millions. Civilians doing tax evasion is a necessary thing for people LIVING IN POVERTY to get the resources they have a right to, by nature of being a living creature. By simply existing, you are entitled to food and shelter and healthcare, and as long as those things continue to cost money, tax evasion by civilians (especially LITERALLY starving artists) is absolutely okay.
Ripping off an evil company is also fair and balanced. Like, the only reason not to fuck over paypal is merely to not get banned. IF you think civilians doing whatever it takles to not die is "disgusting," then I think you have some personal, mental, political, anf logical issues you need to sort out in your own time, rather than telling artists we should have to bend to whatever oppressive rules target us. Taxes are good, but people who can't afford them should not have to risk their lives.
That said, I specifically do not get anywhere NEAR enough income to be taxable, and have recently switched to a business account - because I don't want my PayPal terminated, not because I'm oh so enthusiastic about giving Elon money.
A good rule of thumb, though: If you want to make an income from commissions, set aside 1/3 of each commission payment to make sure you can cover taxes.
The first one:
"1. Regular and Exclusive Use.
You must regularly use part of your home exclusively for conducting business. For example, if you use an extra room to run your business, you can take a home office deduction for that extra room."
If you go to the actual page that clearly states it ( http://www.irs.gov/publications/p58.....link1000226294 )
"To qualify under the exclusive use test, you must use a specific area of your home only for your trade or business. The area used for business can be a room or other separately identifiable space. The space does not need to be marked off by a permanent partition.
You do not meet the requirements of the exclusive use test if you use the area in question both for business and for personal purposes.
Example.
You are an attorney and use a den in your home to write legal briefs and prepare clients' tax returns. Your family also uses the den for recreation. The den is not used exclusively in your trade or business, so you cannot claim a deduction for the business use of the den.
Exceptions to Exclusive Use
You do not have to meet the exclusive use test if either of the following applies.
You use part of your home for the storage of inventory or product samples (discussed next).
You use part of your home as a daycare facility, discussed later under Daycare Facility .
Note.
With the exception of these two uses, any portion of the home used for business purposes must meet the exclusive use test.
Storage of inventory or product samples. If you use part of your home for storage of inventory or product samples, you can deduct expenses for the business use of your home without meeting the exclusive use test. However, you must meet all the following tests.
You sell products at wholesale or retail as your trade or business.
You keep the inventory or product samples in your home for use in your trade or business.
Your home is the only fixed location of your trade or business.
You use the storage space on a regular basis.
The space you use is a separately identifiable space suitable for storage."
If you ever get audited, they will check for things like that. You have to be extremely careful. Anything you use to get tax deductions, keep your receipts because you will get fined HEAVILY if you get audited and can't prove expenses. Do not make assumptions. Since my computer and desk area is used for entertainment and work, I do not use it for tax deductions. I take art supplies as tax deductions and reference material however and keep my receipts. Those that make non digital art--sculptors, painters, fur suit creators, etc--may get a pass. I would do like what you suggested and get an opinion from a tax professional that specializes in self-employed businesses.
If you do this repeatedly and often paypal will pick up on it and lock your account. There's a reason that they put a limit on how many times you can gift someone money. In the end you'll just get screwed over and Paypal could even say you now owe them money for avoiding their minimal fee.
I buy/sell car parts regularly, the fees even on a few hundred dollars are irrelevant, just pay it. You know companies get charged more per transaction for credit cards? Anywhere from 50%+ per charge, something as little as a 1 dollar purchase at walmart could have a 50 cent usage fee charged to walmart(meaning walmart actually loses 50 cents on that). Paypal's 3% is nothing to be complaining about.
The reason I even posted that is my issue with PayPal getting to collect a fee on the same money over and over.
If you sell something on eBay and someone pays you with a card, then the fees they take are fair - they have costs they deal with to allow that transaction to happen.
However, once that money's already in their system in someone's PayPal balance, they shouldn't be able to take a fee on the same money again. They don't incur any excess fees to bump money from one PayPal account to another in the same country, but getting 2.9% + 30 cents from it again and again as it bumps from one account to another seems wrong to me.
Frankly I don't use ebay anymore because of recurring fees, fees and more fees. It isnt worth it to me to use that service when craigslist is free. So I can't really even conjecture on that part.
a) very determined to spread your terrible advice and b) are completely uneducated on the matter while doing it.
This is my first request to tell you to stop posting comments and replies on this image. If I have to ask you again, I will be banning you from my page. You need not even reply to this comment.
- that being said, this is brilliant and I am going to be using this method for my future transactions!
I think, however, the best way to handle that is ...
Pass that cost onto the consumer. If you're paying 70 dollars to have your character drawn, paying $73.30 isn't really that problematic.
Essentially, Paypal isn't a "Your best friend looking over your wallet when you get stone, can't hit the toilet, drunk." it's more like "A fancy-pants escrow service, but for the every man." ~ While I hate middle men, it's much more preferable for the small business owner (in which, making regular commission sales = business) to make sure he or she gets paid, rather than just taking it on blind faith that check will come in the mail, and it's going to clear once they go to deposit it.
One could argue cash, or half up front; but that puts too much stress on the consumer; after all ... all they have to go on is what they see on their computer; Not that I'm trying to be patronizing, but as a buyer you can also claim fraud. And with a definite record of payment made, it helps your case if you have to go after an artist not making good on their offer.
So, in short, a few dollars extra doesn't seem all that horrible to me.
http://www.rolbe.com/paypal4.htm
This way, I never gift anyone and I take the brunt of the fees, not the artist.
It falls under this clause in the UA:
4.6 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.
A quick question to you, since I'm not exactly sure about it and you might know it. If you send the normal way money to someone (Service), who pays the fees to paypal? The receiver, the sender or both?
"free please"
*hand is slapped*
"You have chosen...poorly."
I don't mind paying the fee for the service but if you offer a free way to do it and people pick that option, don't start getting pissy at them for doing so. :P
Or at least limit the amount of times you can do that so it's not a permanent thing.
either way, thanks for the tips.
If you want to suggest to paypal to not give people this option at all, feel free.
you may want to mention in those last few paragraphs about how PayPal
DO NOT WANT YOU TO EXPLICITLY MENTION THAT YOUR FEES ARE INCLUDED IN THE PAYMENT
Yeah, I know, it's really fucking weird, but this stipulation is listed in their AUP as well. I learned this from LJ's Artists_Beware. It's NOT against the rules to include fees with your payment (they can't prove it) -- but it IS against the rules to mention it! Just plead the 5th in that regard and you'll be all set.
Bottom line, make ALL your PayPal payments as nondescript as possible....
This pic is helpful! I once had my account locked. I was taking donations for my dog's surgery and had a raffle option on the side (where I would put their name in a hat for every dollar they donated; I wasn't holding a raffle. The raffle was an entirely different thing that most didn't even know about. I merely determined the amount of names in the hat based on their donation. They weren't buying "tickets"..i was rather specific about it in the journal, and only mentioned the word "raffle" in response to a comment.) Anyways, one fellow wrote "donation/raffle" in the memo slot and paypal demanded I shut it down, "or else serious legal matters will be pursued..."
They're real hard with that banhammer of theirs....their AUP is so broad that I had to have the customer service rep put it in "blonde terms" to understand it. She definitely did not earn a golden star for attitude that day ¤.¤;
Moral of the story: Leave it blank!! Those lines are all optional anyways.....at the most, just type your username in the memo and conduct business on FA, dA, SoFurry, wherever.
Oh, and use common sense ^^;
Honestly though, the safest way to receive donations is to set up a donation link with paypal, all payments will be registered as donations and you won't have to worry about hitting your gift limit. I had my account locked for similar reasons as you with the whole "sort of raffle" thing but managed to get it cleared up. If you set up a donation link for people to use, you can have it registered as whatever you want and disallow comments to be posted in the memo.
You can create donation links in "Merchant Services" tab and selecting the "Donate" option from the "Create Buttons" column. After you fill out your "button info" and create button it will give you a code. Above that code are the tabs "website" and "e-mail". Click on "email" and it will give you the direct link to your donation page for people to use and you can use it anywhere (assuming you want a direct URL and not an actual paypal button).
Hope that answers your question :)
In the end the best idea is just to make sure you're not getting commissioned by total douchecanoes.
well.. yea i suppose you could TRY convince paypal you received money from someone that harasses you, but i'd rather stay clear of trolls. It'd be better if paypal had an option to deny unauthorized incoming payments or something..
You shouldn't damage your ability to make money because you don't want to cough up or lose 25 cents. Adjust your prices accordingly, or, to bypass this, instead of "Paypal fee" (since you cannot call it that), you may call it a convenience charge in the manner that sites like Ticketmaster do.
That said, this is a great tutorial, and I think I may just start using invoices. Sounds handier.
Sagomekitsune124 / Yojiro-Sage on deviantART
This should all be common sense to commissioners.
Though Im a bit confsued on the email part, are you sayign that artists shoudl avoid havign emails with the same name as their fa accoutn name?
If you can, however, find a hidden clause, note, mention, etc of what you are claiming to be true, please give me the link and article number to which you are referring.
I want spread the word about this, and same time make sure it wont disapear some point from here :3 as when i post it, its going to stick in my gallery, if not main gallery in scraps. Also will be making back up save to my outer hard drive, as this is so good tip/info.
I remember seeing this back when it was first posted and thought it was pretty neat ^^ If by chance PayPal ever gives you too much trouble or you don't like their service, I guess you can try out [Amazon Payments]. I've seen a couple people drop PayPal and switch to this, so, it might be a decent alternative.
"What countries and currencies are supported by Amazon Payments?
Amazon Payments allows U.S. as well as international customers to use major credit cards to make payments on Amazon Payments-powered websites. However, bank account and Amazon Payments account balance transfers are enabled only for US based customers. All transactions are in U.S. dollars."
https://secure.serve.com/Secure/Account/Dashboard
http://www.secure.serve.com/
hope one of the links works
anjoy :3
I don't see in your example how a tiger fucking a dog is bestiality? If it were a person doing this, then, yes, it would be bestiality.
This is messed up how it seems problematic, and how you are putting something out here to tell us how to skirt around something.
Are you sure Paypal has a problem with furry art? I bought the Mythical Skies e-book over Paypal- that has interspecies porn in it and I had no problem with it at all.
Maybe this is something I don't understand because I've not bought any commissions?
I usually have people put their username as the subject and commission for terramoon as the message
Just keep in mind that paypal has access to referrer information. What that means (for those who don't know) is that paypal can see the site that was last visited before coming to the paypal site, this is the "referral" site. So, if the last thing your commissioner (or you) viewed was your note/comment/whatever here on FA and immediately went to paypal to enter it in, if there is a problem, it doesn't take a genius to take the username and apply it to the site you came from. This may sound paranoid, but it's a very basic tool that most sites have (even a tool that I have on my websites to track where my traffic is coming from). It helps them track where most of their business is coming from so they can better appeal to those sites as well as track where their trouble is coming from and flag those sites for review.
It is upto your bank, but most have it built in.
God, I sound like a computer...x3
I don't have a lot of faith in my talents, so I'm charging really low for my services and just hoping for tips. Now, the invoice thing is easy to work the regular fee with, but how can I make it so that my customers (if I'll get any) can tip me?
Even if I never do explicit work or transactions again and use this request payment method above for future transactions, do I still have any risk from someone who might deliberately attack my account in order to freeze it, such as in the example you used?
This was a little hard for me to read. I don't have the best reading comprehension.
If I might ask (not really important), I don't quite understand why this submission violates FA ToS. I might be looking in the wrong area. Fine print! My worst enemy!
I personally would guess that 85% of the world populace lacks something called "Common Sense".
It doesn't take a genius to ask the artist you are commissioning a few minor questions. Since I
myself purchase commissions. Whether it be for me, or for friends.
Take for example: "How would you like this filled out?", "Is there anything in particular you would like
me to use in the comment area for the transaction?", "Would you like to send me an invoice, I can send
my information to you.".
Small things like that. Usually, I am asked just to include my username in the area, and that is it. I always
ask that I am told when they receive a payment from me. And that it is from a *My name here*. And I have
had not a single issue from PayPal itself, or the artist I commission for that matter. I would rather pay their fees,
instead of have my money, or another artists assets frozen. Due to "Inappropriate Content" and the like.
Your tutorial here speaks for itself. Kudos for taking the time to make this.
but this is my dilemma...
What If people are paying you for literature instead of artwork?
(*ack, I do apologize if it's a stupid question, but "The more you know..." Y'know?)
However my account has not been banned so far, thanks god.
So, my question goes like this: If I start using the request money feature, or invoicing, to keep the control of the information hold in the transactions, that already compromising data won't be a problem in the future?
Thanks for sharing this guide. I wish I did find it before.
About that... I wonder what should I do about the personal information they require when creating an account. If I close my actual account, I don't think the data will be deleted from their files at all, and if I try to make another account that matches my address, phone, real name... might be troublesome, right? What would be your advice about proceeding to close and make a new account? I can't really fake information, since they will be able to retrieve my real data when linking the account to a bank or card... i believe.
I wouldn't fake your information on your new account, I would just make it as is. You should be fine, it's not against their rules to have more than one account or to move accounts. It is not an uncommon practice when people feel their accounts might be compromised.
I had an issue recently where I sent an invoice as you suggested here, and the commissioner ignored it, opting to send the money as a gift instead so that they could add a tip. Nice as this was, I really don't want people sending me money like that.
So, I went hunting through settings, and I found an option to block commissioners from sending you money except in response to an invoice. Basically, if they try to do it the wrong way, it doesn't work. They have to send money in response to a payment request like the one you've so kindly showed us how to send.
The option is in kind of a back menu, the path I took to find it was:
My Account > Profile > My Selling Tools > Credit Card Statement Name > Block payment from users who: [x] Initiate payments from the Pay Anyone subtab of the Send Money tab
Here's a direct link to the menu where the option exists: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/customerprofileweb?cmd=_profile-pref&#ccName
The option appears to only be available on a business account.
I'm taking my first commissions currently. If I use this method, combined with my paypal email being different than my FA username, and communicating commission information via notes, will I be safe? I can just put "For artwork" in the subject and "Commission payment" in the info box, and I won't have to worry about anything, even with many multiple transactions over a long period of time?
To clarify, I'm imagining this process:
Step 1: Note commissioner about commish details
Step 2: Draw commission
Step 3: Send invoice, titled "For art" with comment "commission payment"
Step 4: Note commissioner to tell them invoice has been sent
Step 5: Commissioner pays, has no opportunity to say anything incriminating, and I get my money.
I am a VERY paranoid person and I just want to be able to take commissions when I feel like it without worrying about being screwed over by paypal. I really appreciate the help and the image.
1. note commissioner about commission details
2. send invoice titled "For art" with comment "commission payment"
3. receive money for commission without issue
4. draw commission
Honestly, I would be much more worried about being screwed over by commissioners refusing payment (something I have experienced many many times) than paypal.
Wouldnt it be easier to just have the customer mail you the money
I think I read every comment and every reply from you, and I do have a question, before reading this tutorial, I was thinking to give the possibility to my future commissioners to pay me in "stages", so in example, someone wants me to draw two fully detailed characters and a fully detailed background, it will cost $150, but he/she is afraid to make a full payment to me to start working, because I'm not a known/popular artist. So with that possiblity, I could ask first for $5-10 for a sketch of what he/she requested, if the commissioner is happy with the sketch I can start working on it, I could ask first $50 to finish one character, then the next $50 for the other character, and then the last $50 for the background. So, is this "payment in stages" safe with this paypal method?
It's just something that I thought since I'm new at making commissions and it's understandable if people doesn't want to trust in me because is afraid of being ripped off. So with this method people could feel a bit better when commissioning me, but still I wouldn't mind asking only for full payment at first.
Also sorry for my bad english !
Instead if the "Request Money", I use "Create an Invoice".
I just like to see every iten that they purchased in one little shopping list. I would list the things that I sold as "Two View Character Reference sheet" or "Flat Coloured Sketch", and I also do not keep my PayPal address private.
I gotta get this under control, so I don't lose my only source of income.
but uhm I'm new to this with paypal and stuff and have already gotten two payments
one sent to me and the other I sent an invoice
I don't believe the one sent to me is a big deal, but on the invoice I mentioned that it's an adopt.
Do you think I'll be okay and should I refrain from using those type of words in the future?
sorry if this seems like a dumb question x.x
I think I'm okay then- The only thing is that my email has my username in it?
uh and I actually had another question if that's okay? Still with PayPal but uhm I've seen people with "horror stories" of doing a commission and then the person like taking the money back or something? I was just wondering if before hooking my bank account to paypal and sending over money I should do something or.. uh yea?
Sorry if you don't have time or anything like that don't worry about it~
Thank you so much anyway <3
I could have always misread and there was a similar mistake- unsure but either way I'll be certain to show you~
Anyway, thank you so much for clearing this all up for me I really appreciate it you taking the time <3
And I just realized you/you guys(?) are Sambees and Dapper-owl sidbcius aah I was thinking someone just had a similar style~
I'm so excited to have found you~ <33
When I send payment I usually say "dA or FA: [insert username]" in the comments
The Subject I usually just put "Commission or Custom"
Paypal has been cracking down on incorrect use of the "donate" buttons lately. So many people such as artists, youtubers, streamers etc are getting burned by this.
If you cannot provide documentation proving that you are registered as a not-for-profit organization or charity then the funds can at any time be removed and you can be fined/banned. I say again: THE DONATE BUTTON IS NOT PERMITTED TO BE USED FOR NON-OFFICIAL DONATIONS TO CAUSES. I was upset when I found this out originally, but reading through their terms of service and legal jabber it makes sense.
It makes it a lot easier for me to understand now :)
I do have a small question..
I don't do mature commissions, would mentioning FA still cause paypal to scrutinize my payments, even though I don't do any adult content??
Yep, gunna be a n00b and ask anyway.
So... this is legit? O_o like Paypal won't allow this.
Like, someone wants me to draw... like, Lugia banging another Lugia
And they send me money, via the paypal method (on the left) then I get screwed over?
//stares
That sounds... odd... for some reason.
1st of all why? And 2nd of all who the fuck are they to decide what is and is not obscene. Seriously, this is completely preposterous.