i dont think photoshop is really made for art precision like SAI is

It is however the industry standard graphics package... why the chuff can't it draw a line? :/

This is why you should use SAI and not Photoshop :3

For art, anyways, if you're editing images or adding effects I do think PS is much better.

Apparently so. I shall probably move to sketching in SAI...

I'm not positive, but I believe in Photoshop you are drawing in bitmap and with SAI you are drawing in vector, which creates smoother lines.

SAI has a choice of raster or vector layers - so far I've only used the latter, to outline over my sketches, then take that back into PS. The doodle above was on a raster layer though... As far as I can tell, something silly in PS seems to be trying to nudge lines towards horizontal/vertical/45-degrees, and thus producing weird stepping effects :S

Photoshop is a POS like that (in my honest opinion) the programming makes it so that it ASSUMES you want straight lines, in my experience at least, thus why I love Sai because Sai is made for drawing on a tablet

the waver in Sai is actually your own hand and/or the tablet

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Yes, I'm inclined to agree... And at least the waver in SAI is a lot smaller, even if it is unavoidable (because it's me) xD

heheheh, there's also a dropdown list in the top just above the art, with a list of numbers from 1-18 or something, and s-1 - s-8, the higher the number, the smoother your lines will be, I use it on s-3 or s-4 and it removes all the wrinkles I put in X3

Yer, that I found ages ago, I use quite a high setting for vector drawing, but the test doodles I've done in sketch mode used 1 I think xD

heh, shows how slow I am XP

What tablet are you using? What version of PS are you using? I have a wacom 3 and CS5 and I have no problems with wobble whatsoever. I remember with my old graphire I had the same problem, but it was fixed by a much more sensitive tablet and got even better as the versions of PS went on.

Intuos 4 large, and CS3... Been speculating about paying up for CS5 (vs using this liberated-from-the-office version). Might see if I can get a trial of CS5 and whether it's better in that!

SAI is so much better
And I have no idea what it is

http://www.systemax.jp/en/sai/

Inexpensive and popular :)

from what i heared in livestream .. most artists use sai for lineart and sketches, and only photoshop for coloring later

I'm starting to see why!!

Photoshop is just that, for photoshop.

Not too much for art, this is why I prefer Gimp, mainly because I can't get SAI.

Industry leading graphics package is industry leading... Except for it's inability to draw a line :<

Macromedia Flash MX has very smooth lines however, better than SAI. However it isn't very good for art. I would use it for Lineart, then SAI or Gimp for the rest IF using a tablet, if not don't even use Macromedia Flash.

What photoshop were you using, plus brush? I notice some versions have weird issues compared to others.

CS3, and just a plain soft round brush, 9 and 3 px. Nothing fancy :<

I'm downloading a trial of CS5 now, maybe that will be ok - in which case I'll give serious thought to buying it. Otherwise, SAI will become my new tool of choice :P

Heh, for me on CS3, its fine, just my burn/dodge tool are weird. On CS4 only my smudge tool was messed up.

Tried CS5 - problem is, if possible, worse :(

Yeah, that's why I went back a version, lol.

I've noticed the same problem as well. SAI works great for line art, Photoshop not so much. I've noticed the same issue with my mouse as with the tablet on PS by the way.

Mouse is worse all around for me xD

*nods* I prefer using the tablet to the mouse any day of the week as well, especially for line work. The mouse is just no substitute for a pen there.

Sai is a painting program specifically designed to suit the needs of the digital artist. Though Photoshop is also used for this purpose, it's main design was intended for photo-editing.

Because SAI is developed for artists, it's made to automatically smooth lines as you draw. Photoshop will have this problem when drawing large-scale, and the best way to avoid it is to use the line-tool, or use the brush (but up closer.)

It also can be your tablet. Some tablets have less sensitivity than others.

There's really no wrong or right answer which program you choose, it just depends which one you become more comfortable with.

In fairness, you're quite right - but it does seem very disappointing that the industry standard premium graphics product can't draw a smooth line! I know I'm not the only person on the interweb with it, but all research turns up is unsolved problems, and the odd story of tech support saying it's because PS is so exquisitely sensitive and that the wobble is a feature, not a bug! Great, thanks Adobe for making me look like a cheap hack :/

Tablet is an Intuos 4 Large, and I guard it with my life! xD Prior to that I had a genius F610, which wasn't nearly as good on pressure, and had all the same wobble - but I blamed the tablet at that time.

I'll probably try to move to sketching with SAI - I use it for vector outlining already, I'm just used to sketching with photoshop because it's so easy to set a colour mask on the sketch layers (when dealing with multiple characters, I find it very helpful to have them on separate layers to avoid noticing too late that one is taller than they should be). I can of course just do a solid colour layer in SAI and clip it to the sketch layer, which will produce exactly the same effect :)

Alternatively I could try to like GIMP...