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Ahh what a nice one...too bad theres so little stations broadcasting on kHz frequencees and other than that so many other waves in the air that disrupt the quality of the sound ._. Well this little thing was I think one of the first mass produced radios that all had the same components unlike during the war when radios were ussualy made by ammatours and just used what components they had by hand and often not two models were alike lol. This could even be from the year 1944 witch makes sence becouse the radio model is called 44 and a lot of stuff in Socialism was named that way xD But I don't realy know don't take my word for it. Anyway this radio I found on my grandma's attic and I think it belonged to my grandpa's brother. The knob on the left is for turning it on and regulating volume and on the right for switching stations...don't ask me what the knob on the side is for...I can't turn it and I don't know what it does but then again I haven't realy looked into it well yet but I will once I finnish the repairs on my Sava UKV owo
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I'd wager the side knob is for an external speaker fader that was added later, or at least that would be my first guess. It'd be neat to unscrew the back panel and look. It could be 'tone' as well.
Looks like it could use some new vintage speaker cloth, you can find sellers on eBay that sell 'new old stock' and reproductions.
Looks like it could use some new vintage speaker cloth, you can find sellers on eBay that sell 'new old stock' and reproductions.
For an external speaker? I dough it this is socialist standard it was surely not intended for thsi radio to have an extra speeker xD Tone sounds more likely to me... Nah I'm not replacing the cloth that would just be a whole lot of work and this is the original cloth too so it's gotta be 'worth' something to have the original right?
I think it's simply a rotating ferrite or "drum" MW antenna.
It was common in vaccuum tube radios of the 50's and 60's. with one antenna like this, you don't always need an external antenna, which was surely very good for all those socialist buidings of the 50's.
Plus even if the reception was bad, it was a good thing cause people could only listen radios from their countries, not radios from over the Iron Curtain.
It was common in vaccuum tube radios of the 50's and 60's. with one antenna like this, you don't always need an external antenna, which was surely very good for all those socialist buidings of the 50's.
Plus even if the reception was bad, it was a good thing cause people could only listen radios from their countries, not radios from over the Iron Curtain.
I think the side knob is simply a rotating ferrite or "drum" MW antenna.
It was common in vaccuum tube radios of the 50's and 60's. with one antenna like this, you don't always need an external antenna, which was surely very good for all those socialist buidings of the 50's.
Plus even if the reception was bad, it was a good thing cause people could only listen radios from their countries, not radios from over the Iron Curtain. ^^
It got a knob because those antennaes need to face he emitter to get a good reception. Like modern transistors who still use the ferrite antenna : on LW and MW, reception is better if your turn it? HEre, you can't turn the radio because it's heavy and it may look ugly if it's put strangely in the dining room. So as there is a lot of room, the ferrite antenna turn.
The system is sometime very hard, and seems blocked.
You can see a ferrite antenna on the upper right corner :
http://www.rave-n.net/ocelot/Rigond.....i/DSC08051.JPG
with the cord to make it turn. I have no pics of a drum antenna, but it look like a big cardboard drum with copper on it.
It was common in vaccuum tube radios of the 50's and 60's. with one antenna like this, you don't always need an external antenna, which was surely very good for all those socialist buidings of the 50's.
Plus even if the reception was bad, it was a good thing cause people could only listen radios from their countries, not radios from over the Iron Curtain. ^^
It got a knob because those antennaes need to face he emitter to get a good reception. Like modern transistors who still use the ferrite antenna : on LW and MW, reception is better if your turn it? HEre, you can't turn the radio because it's heavy and it may look ugly if it's put strangely in the dining room. So as there is a lot of room, the ferrite antenna turn.
The system is sometime very hard, and seems blocked.
You can see a ferrite antenna on the upper right corner :
http://www.rave-n.net/ocelot/Rigond.....i/DSC08051.JPG
with the cord to make it turn. I have no pics of a drum antenna, but it look like a big cardboard drum with copper on it.
On European sets I know, the knob was alway easily accessible, either by a side knob like this one, ot a front knob. Usually, the volume knob, with a larger knob under it used to rotate the antenna.
Like on this pic :
http://www.izipik.com/images/200909.....2-dsc08041.jpg
The upper knob is for volume, and the lower is for the ferrite antenna (you can even see it being written).
This thing was not on every vaccum tube radios. Some have a not ajustable ferrite antenna, and other doesn't have any ferrite antenna, and you need the usual very long wire antenna.
It can explain why you don't know this system.
Like on this pic :
http://www.izipik.com/images/200909.....2-dsc08041.jpg
The upper knob is for volume, and the lower is for the ferrite antenna (you can even see it being written).
This thing was not on every vaccum tube radios. Some have a not ajustable ferrite antenna, and other doesn't have any ferrite antenna, and you need the usual very long wire antenna.
It can explain why you don't know this system.
Dude! I'm not sure if your right or not but now listen lol XD Look at the glass in front of the radio: you see on the bottom to the left and on the top to the right two circles? Well that's the knob! The knob on the side has a point like that too and it turns ut that with a littl more force I can turn it just like the circles show! XD One position is for 16.5m to 50.5m and the other for 187 m to 58o m and I found out it was on 187-58o untill now! But when I turned it to 16-5o I got soo many stations! But not one was Slovenian =.= I got a whole bunch of Italian ones tho. But surely I'm not gonna listen to that~ Also a few Austrian ones, a few hungarian ones...and something that seemed like somekind of arabic at best and it spoke something about Baghdad... anyway I gotta ask you what does m mean? the shorter range m are probably for more local stations while teh other is probably for international ones too right?
Oh and also XD So much for Iron Curtain, you think people would rader listen to western radio and that the authorities would try to prevent it right? Well it was allmost opposite...Italian and German transmittors were allways much stronger than ours and we were sick of them becouse people had to listen to german all the time before world war two and now it WOULD be nice to hear some Slovenian too but instead we allways had it fight to get a Slovenian frequency...as much as the authorities said of listening foregein radio they didn't realy give a shit if we listened to it becouse normaly they didn't keep anything from us XD Basicly I think people had bigger problems tuning to Slovenian stations that foregein but they wanted Slovenian ones better. And it was exacly the same for analog television witch is why I think right now, when italy and Austria allready canceled analog, NOW is the time for Slovenia to use analog signal again becouse now there will be no german and italian interferances like before! D:
Oh and also XD So much for Iron Curtain, you think people would rader listen to western radio and that the authorities would try to prevent it right? Well it was allmost opposite...Italian and German transmittors were allways much stronger than ours and we were sick of them becouse people had to listen to german all the time before world war two and now it WOULD be nice to hear some Slovenian too but instead we allways had it fight to get a Slovenian frequency...as much as the authorities said of listening foregein radio they didn't realy give a shit if we listened to it becouse normaly they didn't keep anything from us XD Basicly I think people had bigger problems tuning to Slovenian stations that foregein but they wanted Slovenian ones better. And it was exacly the same for analog television witch is why I think right now, when italy and Austria allready canceled analog, NOW is the time for Slovenia to use analog signal again becouse now there will be no german and italian interferances like before! D:
That's interesting ^^ well the situation was rather different in the Soviet Union! I didn't know it was not so important in satellites countries!
I heard in Soviet Union listening foreign radios was not a good thing to do.
Anyway, in many places, people could get a cable radio, working by wire! and Of course the only stations you could get on those were the 3 Soviet radios stations (yeah, only 3 stations all over the Soviet Union!).
Welll I think that big know isn't a ferrite antenna, but simply, the band switch!!
for me, 16 to 50 meters are the classical ShortWave band. Of course you get a bunch or radios on this ^^ But I think there must be only Radio Slovenia International on it.
Which is curious, is that you got nothing on 187-500meters, which is the Medium band. Get a 10 meters wire and plug it on the antenna plug.
You should get a bunch of Italian, German, austrian and other radios, as in those countries, the MW band is overcrowded.
I can't tell about the Slovenian radios. I suppose the situation must be somewhat the same than in France, with a radio operator owning all the MW and LW antennas, forcing all small radios tu use the FM band.
I heard in Soviet Union listening foreign radios was not a good thing to do.
Anyway, in many places, people could get a cable radio, working by wire! and Of course the only stations you could get on those were the 3 Soviet radios stations (yeah, only 3 stations all over the Soviet Union!).
Welll I think that big know isn't a ferrite antenna, but simply, the band switch!!
for me, 16 to 50 meters are the classical ShortWave band. Of course you get a bunch or radios on this ^^ But I think there must be only Radio Slovenia International on it.
Which is curious, is that you got nothing on 187-500meters, which is the Medium band. Get a 10 meters wire and plug it on the antenna plug.
You should get a bunch of Italian, German, austrian and other radios, as in those countries, the MW band is overcrowded.
I can't tell about the Slovenian radios. I suppose the situation must be somewhat the same than in France, with a radio operator owning all the MW and LW antennas, forcing all small radios tu use the FM band.
Oooh so m does stand for meters thought so XD Ooo 1o meters wire gotta try that! :DDD Mine's not that long...Only like a meter and a half? Also calling Yugoslavia a satttelite nation?? Get out of here XD Yugoslavia and Soviet union were allmost enemies after world war two didn't you know that? Tito was a big pain in Stalin's ass but then again we were a big pain in the American's ass too so that makes it cool! :D Anyway Yugoslavia was one of the important countries of the Third world. America and NATO are first world, Soviet union and it's satelites seccond world and the list of undefined countries (capitalist or socialist or dictatorship or whatever) for instance Yugoslavia, Mexico... anyways on Goli otok a prison camp thre were many people who worked with Soviet union lol XD Hmm cable radio that sounds preety cool~ hmm 3 stations for entire Soviet union? Well that doesen't sound right S: Are you sure? By us in SFRY every brotherhood republic capital had it's own radio so Radio Ljubljana, Radio Zagreb, Radio Sarajevo, Radio Beograd, Radio Skopje...and not sure if there was a radio Priština and a radio Podgorica...but anyway fact is allmost every language had it's own radio and the Soviet union has MANY as ou can see, on the YUgoslav scarf the message of brotherhoodand unity is written for times while on the Soviet scarf the national sentance is written 15 times XD Are you sure there were only 3 radio stations?
Interesting ^^
Well for here, I always heard "all East countries= Soviet union block" very interesting to heard different point of view!!
This explain better why Former Yugoslavia was using the CCIR FM band (87.5 to 108 Mhtz) rather than the OIRT band (63 to 76 Mhtz) and PAL B/G analog TV system instead of SECAM D/K!
For radios, before the use of Cycles or Hertz (they measure the same thing, I have radios labeled with KiloCycles and MegaCycles, they are the same than Hertz) they were using the "size" of the wavelenght. So explain the name of Long Waves, Medium Waves, Short Waves, and for TV and FM radio, Very Short Waves (or Very Short Frequency). Long waves start around 2000 meters, and the VHF and end into the millimeters ^^.
I don't know more, as I don't get how you measure an wave XD but that's the explanation. Also it's why your FM doesn't need a long antenna, and Meduim and Short wane need one, as the signal is long.
But it explain too why Long, Medium and Short waves travel longueur than FM and TV waves.
Well for here, I always heard "all East countries= Soviet union block" very interesting to heard different point of view!!
This explain better why Former Yugoslavia was using the CCIR FM band (87.5 to 108 Mhtz) rather than the OIRT band (63 to 76 Mhtz) and PAL B/G analog TV system instead of SECAM D/K!
For radios, before the use of Cycles or Hertz (they measure the same thing, I have radios labeled with KiloCycles and MegaCycles, they are the same than Hertz) they were using the "size" of the wavelenght. So explain the name of Long Waves, Medium Waves, Short Waves, and for TV and FM radio, Very Short Waves (or Very Short Frequency). Long waves start around 2000 meters, and the VHF and end into the millimeters ^^.
I don't know more, as I don't get how you measure an wave XD but that's the explanation. Also it's why your FM doesn't need a long antenna, and Meduim and Short wane need one, as the signal is long.
But it explain too why Long, Medium and Short waves travel longueur than FM and TV waves.
Well it's the trouth! XD Tito and Stalin didn't get along. Well in the world of Soviet satelites there are three countries worth mentioning...first Yugoslavia, yes a Soviet satelite at first but soon it stopped working with the Soviet union allmost compleetly. Romania, it and Yugoslavia only socialist countries who had at least a little trade with the west, led by Čevšesku (wasn't a very good leader sent tanks agains his people...in the end we wasn't imprisioned for life, he was SHOT XD Unlike Tito who was barried with all honours and people cried along the railroad with the train that carried his body) and North Korea who didn't like working with the Soviet union as much as other satelites did.
I knew a little for Romania, as most Citroën enthusiasts do, with the story of the Olcit, or more famous in the West under the name Citroën Axel ^^
A car That Citroën sold plans to Romania for allow them to have their own cheap and well made cars, rather than poor copies of Old Renault 8 and 12 (Dacia) and of course, copies of Italian cars (Lada, which weren't bad, but also cheaper but worse Zaporojets cars).
For unclear reasons, Citroën got some of those Romanian cars to sold in Western Europe. They were of poor quality despite a high end equipment (four brake discs, alloy rims) for such a small car.
http://crazy80.c.r.pic.centerblog.net/27vb2gv1.jpg
I'm sure you saw, at least, one of those in your life :p
A car That Citroën sold plans to Romania for allow them to have their own cheap and well made cars, rather than poor copies of Old Renault 8 and 12 (Dacia) and of course, copies of Italian cars (Lada, which weren't bad, but also cheaper but worse Zaporojets cars).
For unclear reasons, Citroën got some of those Romanian cars to sold in Western Europe. They were of poor quality despite a high end equipment (four brake discs, alloy rims) for such a small car.
http://crazy80.c.r.pic.centerblog.net/27vb2gv1.jpg
I'm sure you saw, at least, one of those in your life :p
Hm! Not realy...by us, most old cars, Crvena Zastava (Red Flag) made in Kraguljevac Serbia XD My father says to me that theese were the best cars in socialism and that they were way better than Polski Fiat, Lada, Moskvič... zastava had only a few models to witch they sticked for a long time editing and updating them for the longest time that it was possible >w< Infact Crvena Zastava still has a running plant in Kraguljevac...anyway back to the cars..there were only a few. The most famous and first is the copy of the famous Italian Fiat 500 http://static.davidreport.com/2007/.....at-500-old.jpg (original), the Zastava 750 http://ned.ronet.ru/0/1965%20Zastava%20750_2.jpg (first models) http://www.fiat600freunde.de/Typen/.....astavaoliv.jpg (later models). This was the first car of Yugoslav socialism. It was cheap and very easy to fix (people used to say a screwdriver was enough to fix nearly anything ^^). It was very popular and it became an icon. We called it Fičko. Then the goverment started thinking about introducing a bigger car. And the licence made after the original Fiat 128 http://img2.netcarshow.com/Fiat-128_1969_800x600_wallpaper_02.jpg, the Zastava 101 came to be http://www.erevija.com/slike/celebs.....101_1971_2.jpg (first models) http://auto.blog.rs/gallery/108/zas.....0skala%207.jpg (later models). It was called Stoenka by people...I might also add, It's still made today XDD Shortly after it, the famous car made after Fiat 127 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.....27_2_v_sst.jpg the Yugo Koral 45 http://web.onetel.com/~davebrand/wYugo2.jpg and 55 (the differance is in the rear lights I think) witch is still made today but the new version is UGLY http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.....Yugo_Koral.jpg =_= And then theres also Yugo Florida but that was simmilar to Trabant 2.1 it was in the end http://zastavanacionale.com/images/.....Florida_01.jpg It's cool tho I wonldn't mind having it. It's still made today also. So basicly Soviet cars were in minority compared to our owm becouse ours were better I think... I'll write more next time I gotta go to bed =.= We made a few Citroens too but I'll say that next time
I was talking about Romania, not Yugoslavia ;3 I have seen a Few Yugo 45 here in France. THey slowly dissapers as they're old an not "antiques" cars but there is still some available. They were, indeed, probably the best made cars available in the Socialist world, with Lada and Wartburg. Of course, there was also the Tatra, the GAZ Volga, the ZIM limos but they werent common cars ^^
What about the more village poor typs of cars? Ever heard of Moskvič http://www.trolejbus.cz/auta/moskal.jpg and Zaporožec http://m.blog.hu/sk/skodabusz/image.....orozec966.jpg? XD My great uncle drove a Zaporožec. It was realy loud. And my father's professor at a university drove an orange Moskvič...but he was an ass =w= Oh there were a few citroen's and renualts here...one was Citroen Tomos AZ by us known as Spaček. It had the Citroen shell but the engine was designed and made by TOMOS. Then there was also Renualt 4. It is very common and I still see it today
Oh yeah, those famous Citroën Tomos cars!! The luxury Citroën CX and GS in the communist world :o
Well I know about both. I didn't mentioned Moskvič because it's a Russian brand (Moskvič in russian mean "from Moscow" If I'm good) And I mentioned Zaporožec upper, but as we don't have the same letters and saying, It's written "Zaporoyets" or "Zaporojets" a lot. Also most found under the plant name ZAZ. I would LOVE to have a ZAZ 966 or 968 ^^ funny design :p
Well about Renault 4... did they come before the fall of communism? I never heard about Renault being on the Eastern market before 1991 (I'm not counting Dacia, as Dacia was not property of Renault, just selling her car models)
Well I know about both. I didn't mentioned Moskvič because it's a Russian brand (Moskvič in russian mean "from Moscow" If I'm good) And I mentioned Zaporožec upper, but as we don't have the same letters and saying, It's written "Zaporoyets" or "Zaporojets" a lot. Also most found under the plant name ZAZ. I would LOVE to have a ZAZ 966 or 968 ^^ funny design :p
Well about Renault 4... did they come before the fall of communism? I never heard about Renault being on the Eastern market before 1991 (I'm not counting Dacia, as Dacia was not property of Renault, just selling her car models)
Zaz is very loud XD My father said I can buy a wreked up car when I'm 16 if I have the money and that he will help me get it fit for registration within two years. BUT he said that he doesen't want to hear ANYTHING about a Lada, Moskvič, Zaporožec or anything RUSSIAN XD He said if you want, a Zastava and a Yugo is fine but anything less than that no way...He said that he sees no reason why to work on a car that was already bad when it was designed XDDD But I don't think so...trying to convince him to get me a Trabant owo But a Yugo or a Zastava would be cool too...Oh yeah he was realy supportive of buying something like this http://www.bolha.com/mercedes/merce.....oglas383344593 Like a wrecked up mercedes he said thoose are eternal even if you get an old one XD But anyway he said Yugo is a great car. It was the first car my mum and father had. It was an old 45 probably one of the first to be made becouse they acctualy bought it from a driving school XDD Then one time Lada Niva crashed into our Yugo and my mum driving it...and Guess what? The Yugo with it's lights smashed and bonnet bent beyond recodnition was drivven for another two years while the Lada turned off and never started again XD He said before we got the Yugo they tryed a Polski Fiat...he said that a Yugo was a real Mercedes in comparison...XD At the moment as our seccnd smaller car we have a Citroen AX Spot a white one with three dors...and the big car is a Peugeot 307 x3 Very new. The old one was 15 years old when we changed it it was a 306. There wasn't one like it in Celje. It has a tomato red colour and the fenders were red too not black like on all the other cars and it had fog lights :D He said back then it was quite exotic. It's still driven today I see it in Celje a university student bought it and as far as I know he's very pleased with it. Happy ending~ Oh and no not realy Renualt 4's were very common in time of communism too they were exported to Yugoslavia. But it is true that some people went abroad to buy theyre cars they still do today. But of course our standard was still lower so even abroad we usualy bough the cheaper cars XD Oh oh! There was also VolksWagen Golf TAS! :D TAs stands short for Tvornica Avtomobilov Sarajevo they were assembled in Bosnia. I still see many today and also Austrian Golf's that were bought after the fall of the curtain they are the most comon of all old cars by us.
Wow!! I'm gonna ask Renault specialist here to see what they can tell me about those Renault 4. I never heard of it! That's something new to me :p
That's funny to heard your comments about Russian cars ^^ Polski car were available here, as where Lada and Yugo, plus the Polish FSO cars.
Lada had a somehow good reputation, but that was because the private import company was fixing them at arrival, checking them, refusng the ones that looked too bad. Lada 2104, Niva and Samara are still running on French roads today.
FSO were considered as good as Lada, but mainly because there was Diesel Renault engines on their cars. So they were really economic cars with a good engine. (I just saw that the Polski-Fiat was made by FSO :p there was no Diesel on Polski, but again the private importer was checking the cars and getting them better befor selling them in France)
There was also the Romanian Aro 4*4 with also Renault Diesel engines. It was a good choice for those who wanted a cheap 4*4. It's not as good as a Niva on offroad, but it's bigger, and with a Diesel engine, is cheaper when you go get gas ^^
Today I think only Lada are still available in France (again, not counting Dacia as they're now property of Renault), but now it's Lada who sell them, and not the private company. As a result, we don't see ads, dealers, nothing. They sales are so low they think about leaving France when they'll stop producing the old Lada Niva.
That's funny to heard your comments about Russian cars ^^ Polski car were available here, as where Lada and Yugo, plus the Polish FSO cars.
Lada had a somehow good reputation, but that was because the private import company was fixing them at arrival, checking them, refusng the ones that looked too bad. Lada 2104, Niva and Samara are still running on French roads today.
FSO were considered as good as Lada, but mainly because there was Diesel Renault engines on their cars. So they were really economic cars with a good engine. (I just saw that the Polski-Fiat was made by FSO :p there was no Diesel on Polski, but again the private importer was checking the cars and getting them better befor selling them in France)
There was also the Romanian Aro 4*4 with also Renault Diesel engines. It was a good choice for those who wanted a cheap 4*4. It's not as good as a Niva on offroad, but it's bigger, and with a Diesel engine, is cheaper when you go get gas ^^
Today I think only Lada are still available in France (again, not counting Dacia as they're now property of Renault), but now it's Lada who sell them, and not the private company. As a result, we don't see ads, dealers, nothing. They sales are so low they think about leaving France when they'll stop producing the old Lada Niva.
Oh also the Lada personal car is not common here I know only one guy who has one (well has two acctualy XD) but the Lada Niva is VERY common esspecialy if you drive off the main road to a hillside village if the driver is an older man he will allmost certainly have a Lada Niva...also Renualt 4 you realy haven't heard about it? I allmost can't believe that XDDD Ohh I've heard about FSO and theyre Syrenas x33 Seems like a cute car to me like a better Trabant. But thoose were never sold here infact the first tiem I heard about one was on the net and anybody I asked in real life had no idea about them. Never heard of the Aro o.o But I know UAZ :DDD Thoose are preety cool. Not nearly as common as the Lada Niva but ok~Hmm Lada arn't sold here and Crvena Zastava either...mh theyre failing unfortunetly theyre inovations are a tad too slow I think...Too bad
Oh yeah the UAZ ^^ good little Jeep-like cars :p
Well I know the Renault 4 here :p it's the best selling French car : 8 millions were made! I can say it's still a common car in France!
But I never heard about it being sold in east Europe.
Well FSO syrena was kinda a better Trabant, if you consider that the engine are old two strokes engine, but it's closer to a Wartburg than a Trabant ^^
Well I know the Renault 4 here :p it's the best selling French car : 8 millions were made! I can say it's still a common car in France!
But I never heard about it being sold in east Europe.
Well FSO syrena was kinda a better Trabant, if you consider that the engine are old two strokes engine, but it's closer to a Wartburg than a Trabant ^^
The Wartburg are bigger, matching more the size of the Syrena.
Plus, the engine on the Syrena is a 3 cylinder engine... it's the engine of the oldest Wartburg
you can see the style of those old wartburg are pretty close :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.....1963%29_02.jpg
Plus, the engine on the Syrena is a 3 cylinder engine... it's the engine of the oldest Wartburg
you can see the style of those old wartburg are pretty close :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.....1963%29_02.jpg
Yeah. electric copper wire, fence metallic wire... anything that could carry some electricity ^^
It's not important is it's not covered with plastic, but in this case, it must not touch something grounded.
Here is a short page about what you're about to make : a long wire antenna, the most basic antenna ^^
http://www.angelfire.com/mb/amandx/longwire.html
You may like to make it better if you can let your antenna at home. What I can tell you is to use your attic, or any empty room to put your antenna.
If you can put it outside, as up as possible, that would be the best solution.
But for old radios, and for "short" reception, 10 meters of random cable loosely put over the room should give you good results.
It's not important is it's not covered with plastic, but in this case, it must not touch something grounded.
Here is a short page about what you're about to make : a long wire antenna, the most basic antenna ^^
http://www.angelfire.com/mb/amandx/longwire.html
You may like to make it better if you can let your antenna at home. What I can tell you is to use your attic, or any empty room to put your antenna.
If you can put it outside, as up as possible, that would be the best solution.
But for old radios, and for "short" reception, 10 meters of random cable loosely put over the room should give you good results.
Dude I did as you say...I get so many stations O_____O Dude you see the squares that inducate the old long gone stations? Well in some cases I get 5 stations in one of thoose squares XDD I didn't realy have time to check through all yet but found something that I'm preety sure is Chineese LOL! This radio is good...just it's time has passed S:
hehe told'ya ^^
If you're on the short waves, there is still sooo many station in the air!
On medium waves too, but I think more in Germania and Italia. Their rules for broadcasting are flexible and theire is a lot of small and medium emitter.
During the night you can have better luck to get something on medium waves.
I just found this :
http://radiomap.eu/si/ljubljana
207 Deutschlandfunk Nemčija, Aholming, 250/500 kW
270 ČRo 1 - Radiožurnál Češka, RKS Topolná, 650 kW
540 MR1 Kossuth Rádió Madžarska, Solt, 2000 kW
549 RTVSlo - Radio Koper Piran, Beli Križ, 15 kW
819 Rai Radio 1 Italija, Trst, Monte Radio, 10 kW
918 RTVSlo - 1. Program Domžale, 300 kW
1134 HRT Glas Hrvatske Hrvatska, Zadar, 600 kW
1170 RTVSlo - Radio Capodistria Piran, Beli Križ, 15 kW
1341 Magyar Katolikus Rádió
1341 Vatikáni Rádió Madžarska, Balatonszabadi, 150 kW
1575 Rai Radio 1 Italija, Gorica, Pevma, 2 kW
As you can see, you should be able to get 9 radios stations on your radio in the Medium Waves and 7 of them seems to be Slovenian radios
the two first are in th eLong Wave and you can't get them on your radio, but it prove me and you that there is at least one Long Wave emitter in Slovenia.
If you're on the short waves, there is still sooo many station in the air!
On medium waves too, but I think more in Germania and Italia. Their rules for broadcasting are flexible and theire is a lot of small and medium emitter.
During the night you can have better luck to get something on medium waves.
I just found this :
http://radiomap.eu/si/ljubljana
207 Deutschlandfunk Nemčija, Aholming, 250/500 kW
270 ČRo 1 - Radiožurnál Češka, RKS Topolná, 650 kW
540 MR1 Kossuth Rádió Madžarska, Solt, 2000 kW
549 RTVSlo - Radio Koper Piran, Beli Križ, 15 kW
819 Rai Radio 1 Italija, Trst, Monte Radio, 10 kW
918 RTVSlo - 1. Program Domžale, 300 kW
1134 HRT Glas Hrvatske Hrvatska, Zadar, 600 kW
1170 RTVSlo - Radio Capodistria Piran, Beli Križ, 15 kW
1341 Magyar Katolikus Rádió
1341 Vatikáni Rádió Madžarska, Balatonszabadi, 150 kW
1575 Rai Radio 1 Italija, Gorica, Pevma, 2 kW
As you can see, you should be able to get 9 radios stations on your radio in the Medium Waves and 7 of them seems to be Slovenian radios
the two first are in th eLong Wave and you can't get them on your radio, but it prove me and you that there is at least one Long Wave emitter in Slovenia.
Wha! Cool site XD BUT DUDE LET'S LEAVE THIS LIL RADIO ASIDE CUZ I'VE GOT SOME NEWS!!! Listen...on Bolha.si the SLovenian online fle market theres this MONSTER radio!!! For 25€...but it says ''It requires renovation/repair...'' and I have no idea if that means that a potenciometer is broken or if all the goddamn tubes are missing...I will call tomorow to ask what is broken and my father said to me that if it's something we can fix, I can buy it XDDD http://www.bolha.com/radijski-sprej.....oglas383129540 It's called Iskra Simfonija...and as I planned theres no info at all on the net as for most Slovenian radios =w=
Heh! It looks like a mix of Riga Radio Rupnica Simfonija and Rigonda Mono ^^
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/radiot.....onda_mono.html
http://www.donex-ua.narod.ru/el/as/simfonia.htm
25€ is a good price. the tubes should be easy to find. But I think that the capacitors are needing a change.
On my RRR Rigonda Bolshoi (Simfonija 003 on Eastern market) I changed not less that 44 paper capacitors :o
But maybe on this one you'll get lucky and will have more modern capacitors...
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/radiot.....onda_mono.html
http://www.donex-ua.narod.ru/el/as/simfonia.htm
25€ is a good price. the tubes should be easy to find. But I think that the capacitors are needing a change.
On my RRR Rigonda Bolshoi (Simfonija 003 on Eastern market) I changed not less that 44 paper capacitors :o
But maybe on this one you'll get lucky and will have more modern capacitors...
My friend this radio seems truely awesome XD Probably the biggest Iskra has ever made...also duuuude look at the speakers on that Russian Simfonija! Man do you have any idea where I could get a pair of thoose not too expencevly? xD Hmm paper capacitors you say... Well can't be sure I have no info once o ever on this radio from any site at all no info, no other picture it's as if theres no other model than the one on the internet flee market...I suspect maybe the seller gave it a wrong name...but it's still from ISkra...when I went to check on radio museum this radio wasn't listed...but I know a few much more common Iskra models that weren't listed on that site either so I'm not giving up hope >_>
I suppose he read the name on the back panel ;3
I have no idea of the place you can get those speakers alone. Maybe, search if Riga Radio Rupnica/Radiotehnika radios were sold in Yugoslavia, there may be a chance for you to find an old Simfonija set for scrap where you could get those nice speakers?
Here is a test of my own set, afer I changed all those damned capacitors ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpYHroTd0pQ
I have no idea of the place you can get those speakers alone. Maybe, search if Riga Radio Rupnica/Radiotehnika radios were sold in Yugoslavia, there may be a chance for you to find an old Simfonija set for scrap where you could get those nice speakers?
Here is a test of my own set, afer I changed all those damned capacitors ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpYHroTd0pQ
Uh unlikely TT If you ever see any scrap radio like that sold in France you tell me maybe I can contact the seller myself...
Also your radio sounds so awesome, this song (witch rules too!!) sounds better on your radio filmed with a standard camera than the original XDD My father's computer here has Hartman Kardon speakers so preetymuch high society, but still your vid with our radio sounds better XD I think the only way I could beat it is if I buy that radio on Bolha hehe xD
Also your radio sounds so awesome, this song (witch rules too!!) sounds better on your radio filmed with a standard camera than the original XDD My father's computer here has Hartman Kardon speakers so preetymuch high society, but still your vid with our radio sounds better XD I think the only way I could beat it is if I buy that radio on Bolha hehe xD
Yeah, or get a Rediotehnika set of speakers ^^ You can see videos of those sets on the net.
Unfortunately, Those sets had special plugs, not the common jacks or RCA plugs. I never saw them sold for spare. But maybe they are, and people ignore where they are from. They is nothing written on them, outside the "Stereo" plate.
And I dunno how much it will cost for you to get them? Man, they aren't heavy, but they're HUGE.
One is 90cmX35X30! that is quite a block of wood. One solution would be to get only the speakers, but you better buying old speakers in Slovenia, from old stereo sets.
Unfortunately, Those sets had special plugs, not the common jacks or RCA plugs. I never saw them sold for spare. But maybe they are, and people ignore where they are from. They is nothing written on them, outside the "Stereo" plate.
And I dunno how much it will cost for you to get them? Man, they aren't heavy, but they're HUGE.
One is 90cmX35X30! that is quite a block of wood. One solution would be to get only the speakers, but you better buying old speakers in Slovenia, from old stereo sets.
Old speakers are good most of the time ^^ Like, on all the small Soviet radios I got, even the cheap ones, the speaker is probably the best part of it, despite the fact it's a really tiny speaker.
I think you could search for the best brand you had in Slovenia (maybe it was Iskra ^^) and get the speakers on old sets. Better to get speakers from transistors sets or two wired speakers.
On old radios like the one you have, the speaker use the high voltage of the radio to make the speaker work, because it's not a permanent magnet like on modern speakers; making them impossible to use alone (also they have impedance like 400 ohms where a normal speaker is around 4 or 8 ohms)
I think you could search for the best brand you had in Slovenia (maybe it was Iskra ^^) and get the speakers on old sets. Better to get speakers from transistors sets or two wired speakers.
On old radios like the one you have, the speaker use the high voltage of the radio to make the speaker work, because it's not a permanent magnet like on modern speakers; making them impossible to use alone (also they have impedance like 400 ohms where a normal speaker is around 4 or 8 ohms)
Uh that might not happen...yeah two the best radio producers in Yugoslavia were Iskra and Ei Niš and Iskra was better as far as I know...but the paradox is that the speakers for most Iskra were made by Ei Niš TwT Anyway also Iskra ussualy didn't make radio's with seperate speakers...unofirtunetly they were ussualy built in allready...exept on very few models...hmm this looks kinda nice! http://www.bolha.com/trosistemski-z.....glas1273790108
CAn't tell ^^ You should have a look inside.
http://rave-n.net/ocelot/Rigonda%20.....i/DSC08063.JPG
http://rave-n.net/ocelot/Rigonda%20.....i/DSC08062.JPG
I kept the old capacitors, as the electrolytics ones are good, and the bulby one, probably a paper, does not have any reason to get bad as it's only low voltage going inside.
http://rave-n.net/ocelot/Rigonda%20.....i/DSC08063.JPG
http://rave-n.net/ocelot/Rigonda%20.....i/DSC08062.JPG
I kept the old capacitors, as the electrolytics ones are good, and the bulby one, probably a paper, does not have any reason to get bad as it's only low voltage going inside.
It's normal ^^ It probably make a difference in sound, but can't tell you how. I guess, probably get the bass better.
Oval speakers are often seeing on radio sets of the 50's.
Like, on this one, a Grundig set of the early 60's : http://www.izipik.com/fr/images.php?date=200903/11&img=lzzi51iw6f21lsufnb-dsc07015.jpg
They are still found today ^^ there was also those speakers on TV's, to make the front part less large.
Oval and round are common shapes. I suppose round is preferred because it must alter the sound less. But there is excellent oval speakers ^^
Here, one speaker from Audax company will cost a lot, no matter if it's oval or round ^^
Oval speakers are often seeing on radio sets of the 50's.
Like, on this one, a Grundig set of the early 60's : http://www.izipik.com/fr/images.php?date=200903/11&img=lzzi51iw6f21lsufnb-dsc07015.jpg
They are still found today ^^ there was also those speakers on TV's, to make the front part less large.
Oval and round are common shapes. I suppose round is preferred because it must alter the sound less. But there is excellent oval speakers ^^
Here, one speaker from Audax company will cost a lot, no matter if it's oval or round ^^
Heh ok xD Oh man the weather is so cool here right now...it's the calm before the storm I can see the coulds gathering up and it's getting more and more hot and the humidity is rising...you can realy feel it it's like I compare it too a lot of gas in the air and just a match is needed and it will go boom! It's like this here too it will rain and I can't wait! XD Sorry just had to express myself owo Oh yeah interesting thing...oh btw also Yugoslavian radio's like my Sava had a nasty habit of having only one line in for an extra speaker =w= So they you have one good speaker and one realy small one..it just doesen't add up...that is why I realy hope the Simfonija has input for two extra speakers and not one!
Well here too radios have only one output for speaker... Which is for a simple reason, those radios are monophonic, even FM radios.
Only some large sets of the 60's have a stereo FM decoder or record player, and only on them you find a stereo output.
Here the weather is mixed up, grey and cold.
Oh just thinking : was Telekomunikacije Ljubljana (I suppose that's the brand?) making vacuum tubes or lightbulbs? The logo on the radio is very beautiful, and it looks like either a lightbulb or a very old vacuum tube...
Only some large sets of the 60's have a stereo FM decoder or record player, and only on them you find a stereo output.
Here the weather is mixed up, grey and cold.
Oh just thinking : was Telekomunikacije Ljubljana (I suppose that's the brand?) making vacuum tubes or lightbulbs? The logo on the radio is very beautiful, and it looks like either a lightbulb or a very old vacuum tube...
It made vacuum tubes too I believe :D I opened up the panel when I put the new wire on it and saw the tubes again with the TKL logo...beautiful~...yeah the logo is preety cool XD This is my favourite radio from TKL: Savica! http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52pc/savica_56.htm Also it can choose from Long wave and middle wave to short wave while my Bistra can only do middle wave and short wave... http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52pc/bistra_44.htm here's the comparison
Buh =_= Called him. Damn he's clueless. Infact he hasn't even turned the goddamn thing on yet...EVER. But he said it's not as his house so he can't help it =w=' You know what, I'm gonna give him a call later and tell him next time he goes to that house again, and whenever that will be, if he can plase just turn the thing on and tell me whats the deal with it. And if he seels it to someone else who's prepared to buy it without even thinking if it's broken or not, it's fine with me too.
But anyway, we fixed the Sava yes! XD We found out that the first potenciometer was broken. So, we replaced it with another old one I found at my father's workshop and it was amazingly broken too (lss broken but broken never theless) and now we bought a new one at Žarnica and put it in...at first everything seemed fine and just as my father put the knob back to the potenciometer's stick the sound suddenly went terribly bad...so we loked the whole thing again and saw the sound altered a little from better to worse if we mooved the EL84 tube...so, after it cooled off (it was realy hot) we took it out, and under it we found out there were two wires connecting and that made the sound go bad. Now everything works ^^ And it works GREAT with my mp3 player XDD Oh yeah about the tubes... theres two ECH81 and one EL84. Now what I found interesting is the two ECH81's were made by Ei Niš in Serbia http://www.bolha.com/oglas1273041146 While the EL84 was a Hungarian Tungsram http://www.tubemonger.com/Tungsram_.....gary_p/599.htm Witch means that the radio was probably listened to if they had to replace a tube...also this tube get's very hot very quickly and above this tube on the wooden case I see paint peeling off due to heat so I think this radio didn't stand in a warehouse all it's life :DDD
But anyway, we fixed the Sava yes! XD We found out that the first potenciometer was broken. So, we replaced it with another old one I found at my father's workshop and it was amazingly broken too (lss broken but broken never theless) and now we bought a new one at Žarnica and put it in...at first everything seemed fine and just as my father put the knob back to the potenciometer's stick the sound suddenly went terribly bad...so we loked the whole thing again and saw the sound altered a little from better to worse if we mooved the EL84 tube...so, after it cooled off (it was realy hot) we took it out, and under it we found out there were two wires connecting and that made the sound go bad. Now everything works ^^ And it works GREAT with my mp3 player XDD Oh yeah about the tubes... theres two ECH81 and one EL84. Now what I found interesting is the two ECH81's were made by Ei Niš in Serbia http://www.bolha.com/oglas1273041146 While the EL84 was a Hungarian Tungsram http://www.tubemonger.com/Tungsram_.....gary_p/599.htm Witch means that the radio was probably listened to if they had to replace a tube...also this tube get's very hot very quickly and above this tube on the wooden case I see paint peeling off due to heat so I think this radio didn't stand in a warehouse all it's life :DDD
Check the nearby capacitors and resistors!
It the tube heat that much, it means that at least one capacitor (probably) or one resistor (less possible) is faulty.
It was doing the same on a record player of the 50's and on my Rigonda Bolshoi before I changed the capacitors.
Lol then I was about to say something about the Iskra Simfonija, but it's useless in this case. But I can give it to you : NEVER turn on a vacuum tube amplifier if no speaker is plugged on. It will burn one and surely more tubes!
But for the seller, tell him it the sound get loud, humming, and he can't reduce it with the volume know, it mean the capacitors are dry, and so too much voltage come to the lamp. Same thing, he must switch if off quickly before the tube burns.
In any case, tell him to not switch it on for more than a minute.
It the tube heat that much, it means that at least one capacitor (probably) or one resistor (less possible) is faulty.
It was doing the same on a record player of the 50's and on my Rigonda Bolshoi before I changed the capacitors.
Lol then I was about to say something about the Iskra Simfonija, but it's useless in this case. But I can give it to you : NEVER turn on a vacuum tube amplifier if no speaker is plugged on. It will burn one and surely more tubes!
But for the seller, tell him it the sound get loud, humming, and he can't reduce it with the volume know, it mean the capacitors are dry, and so too much voltage come to the lamp. Same thing, he must switch if off quickly before the tube burns.
In any case, tell him to not switch it on for more than a minute.
You know what you were right we DID get more problems now T_T I'll check the capacitors and resistors tomorow...*sigh* stuff like this happened to you too when you were working on your radio?
I'm not sure if he will understand thoose instructions or even want to do them =w=' When I talked to him he said ''A true electrician will surely be able to fix it...'' Well buddy then all you have to is find that true electrician and make him buy your radio I guess =w=' Oh nono don't worry the tube was correct I checked the back panel it's allright ^^ Ah I fel a ray of light it probably IS a rsistor or capacitor near the tube it get's realy hot! And if not I guess well just keep looking for flaws! XD Thanks for all the tips!
I'm not sure if he will understand thoose instructions or even want to do them =w=' When I talked to him he said ''A true electrician will surely be able to fix it...'' Well buddy then all you have to is find that true electrician and make him buy your radio I guess =w=' Oh nono don't worry the tube was correct I checked the back panel it's allright ^^ Ah I fel a ray of light it probably IS a rsistor or capacitor near the tube it get's realy hot! And if not I guess well just keep looking for flaws! XD Thanks for all the tips!
Well, faulty capacitors are a common problems on vacuum tube radios!
Especially the old "paper" ones.
In France, the "dangerous" ones are those made into a tube of glass and coated with a black wax :
http://www.izipik.com/images/201010.....r-file0030.jpg
You also have one in the cardboard tube, and the golden ones, That I changed too by precaution.
Usually, I change on radios all the "chemical" ones, except the large metallic that is up next the vacuum tube.
I don't touch at the small flat ones, as they're made dry, they are supposed to not change. Plus they always are on low voltage.
Especially the old "paper" ones.
In France, the "dangerous" ones are those made into a tube of glass and coated with a black wax :
http://www.izipik.com/images/201010.....r-file0030.jpg
You also have one in the cardboard tube, and the golden ones, That I changed too by precaution.
Usually, I change on radios all the "chemical" ones, except the large metallic that is up next the vacuum tube.
I don't touch at the small flat ones, as they're made dry, they are supposed to not change. Plus they always are on low voltage.
Hmm don't have any paper ones on my radio...most of them are covered in somekind of red plastic...or whatever that thing is...artifficial mass whatever it is called o.o Anyway we got enough spares no problem! Ooooh I see you covered where the wires met with that black plastic that shrinks when it get's heat up is that your work? xD
Nope. It was like that inside. It's not a tube radio but a tube TV ^^ So it's most carefully done inside :D
http://www.izipik.com/images/201009.....k-dsc09640.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/201009.....o-dsc09644.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/201009.....n-dsc09645.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/201009.....c-dsc09648.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/201009.....k-dsc09640.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/201009.....o-dsc09644.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/201009.....n-dsc09645.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/201009.....c-dsc09648.jpg
Unfortunately, I have two big probelms for it. First, finding special capacitors... I need some hight voltage ones, that are also hight priced ones
And second, this TV is using ONLY the former French "system E" TV, counting 819 lines (instead of the European standard later used in France too, of 625 lines) I can mod it to accept 625 lines, but I'll prefer to keep it "as it".
And second, this TV is using ONLY the former French "system E" TV, counting 819 lines (instead of the European standard later used in France too, of 625 lines) I can mod it to accept 625 lines, but I'll prefer to keep it "as it".
Awh well for the first I think buy the capacitors when you have money but for the seccond I think your right :D Well how were TV's back then by us...how old is this tv? By us before the 6o's and 7o's nobody even thought about a tv radio was the ultimate goal...then the standard went higher and tv's got mass produced. I don't know much about the Yugoslavian tv before that time hmm I'll look it up.
Contrary to Soviet electronics, there is no date on this, but judging from certains thing like germanium redresser instead of valve tube redresser, "square" cathodic tube instead of round tube, and mutliple emitter choice made me think this TV is of the late 50's.
In the early 60's, with the introduction of 625 lines system in France, the design would change from the square box to the more modern larger design, with the wide 4:3 screen and the speaker and knoks on the side of the screen instead of under it.
819 lines TV system was used from 1950 to 1983. Color was sheduled but cancelled, because both the European Broadcast Union and the OIRT (Organisation Internationale de la Radio et Télévision, also know as Intervision in the West... 'cause yes, France was member or the east TV exchange program system! Maybe your parents saw some French TV shows or movies more than other Western shows ^^)
I dunno about TV... I would say, before the war, there was propably an early TV system. I'm pretty sure ther was experimental mechanical 30 or 60 lines broadcast. Maybe juste before the war, there was a small, probably one emitter only, 343 lines or 441 lines TV system.
After that, of course, with socialist government, priority was : rebuilding, industrialisation. And only after, looking for people's needs... So I suppose there was only a small networ of TV to link the Yugoslavian government to the world but that's all ^^
In the early 60's, with the introduction of 625 lines system in France, the design would change from the square box to the more modern larger design, with the wide 4:3 screen and the speaker and knoks on the side of the screen instead of under it.
819 lines TV system was used from 1950 to 1983. Color was sheduled but cancelled, because both the European Broadcast Union and the OIRT (Organisation Internationale de la Radio et Télévision, also know as Intervision in the West... 'cause yes, France was member or the east TV exchange program system! Maybe your parents saw some French TV shows or movies more than other Western shows ^^)
I dunno about TV... I would say, before the war, there was propably an early TV system. I'm pretty sure ther was experimental mechanical 30 or 60 lines broadcast. Maybe juste before the war, there was a small, probably one emitter only, 343 lines or 441 lines TV system.
After that, of course, with socialist government, priority was : rebuilding, industrialisation. And only after, looking for people's needs... So I suppose there was only a small networ of TV to link the Yugoslavian government to the world but that's all ^^
Ha One sentance was cut :p
So I said Europe choosed 625 lines (which first demonstration was made in Moscow in 1943, so it's NOT a German invention. PAL color and B/G system are) and Soviet Union did it too.
Only England and France choosed different systems. France used 819 lines, England kept his prewar 405 lines system. But both EBU and OIRT asked France to have a 625 lines color system; so the SECAM color system was adapted from the 819 lines to the 625 lines system.
And that's how Soviet Union, except Yugoslavia, got the SECAM D/K TV system ^^
So I said Europe choosed 625 lines (which first demonstration was made in Moscow in 1943, so it's NOT a German invention. PAL color and B/G system are) and Soviet Union did it too.
Only England and France choosed different systems. France used 819 lines, England kept his prewar 405 lines system. But both EBU and OIRT asked France to have a 625 lines color system; so the SECAM color system was adapted from the 819 lines to the 625 lines system.
And that's how Soviet Union, except Yugoslavia, got the SECAM D/K TV system ^^
Uh I don't know all the systems and stuff since I'm still learning here >< Oh I checked my history now...for tv ^^ August 1956 the first exprimental tv programs in Ljubljana, october 1958 the experimental program of TV Ljubljana becoms regular (this means the shows are scheduled now), 196o television regularly issues tv programs 5 days a week, 1964 finnished construction of first major television signal emmitors, 1968 15.april first first television news show (still called Večernik (evening news) today) in Slovenian language (it was all in Serbian before as far as I know lol XD) , 1984 Slovenian teletext, 1989 beggining of emmiting RDS signals (whatever that is o.o), 1991 Slovenian independance war: Yugoslav People's Army airplanes destroy tv signal emmitors on Kum, Nanos, Krvavec, Pohorje, Domžale and Boč, 1992 first regular foregein tv programs, 2005 RSS technology (dunno what that is @_@), 2006 tv programs now regularly seen channeld trough Hot Bird 8 sattelite, 2007 P2P technology, 2007 a third national tv station is made (RTVSLO3.), 2008 7o% of the country can recieve digital signal, 2010 change to digital signal with 96% of the country covered with it (I hate that >_>)
Anyway that were the major things about our TV history I think...as for tv production themselves
Anyway that were the major things about our TV history I think...as for tv production themselves
RDS signals, as far as I know, are used on FM radio. that's the signal that tell you you're on Example FM radio and listening Track One XD
Well it seems history forgot color. Most TV history do, except Germans. Even here, it seems that we're ashamed of creating SECAM :/
Well except for tests, your TV history isn't late ^^
Here, firs tests TV in the 20's, in 60 lines (60 pixels on 60.. small picture!) during the 30's, test and first regular programs with a 455 lines TV system.
Not successful, in 1939, only 200 TV can be found in France, most of them owned by goverment members.
During and after the war, swapping to the German 441 lines system (which was so close the 455 lines TV worked perfectly on it) and after the war, France used this system until the creation of the 819 lines standard.
In 1956, the old 441 lines emitter burn during presidential election, the poor things wasn't made to work that long. It was never get back to work.
Owner of 455 or 441 lines TV get money by gettign back their old TV to get a new set; which explain why 455 and 441 lines French set are impossible to find today.
In 1963, opening of the Second Channel, using the standard 625 lines system everyone use (except USA, Canada, Japan and some other countries which use 525 lines). In 1967, COLOR!
1973, Third channel on the air.
1975, the old, monolithic ORTF state organization is splitted into 3 state channels and other small organizations.
1979, French engineeers create the SCART/Péritel input/output plug. in 1981 it become compulsory on every new color TV.
1983, 819 lines system get out of the air. It free up the VHF band, and so in
1984, the first private French channel is creaated on the VHF band. It's also the first pay channel.
well and after it's modern bullshit :p
Well it seems history forgot color. Most TV history do, except Germans. Even here, it seems that we're ashamed of creating SECAM :/
Well except for tests, your TV history isn't late ^^
Here, firs tests TV in the 20's, in 60 lines (60 pixels on 60.. small picture!) during the 30's, test and first regular programs with a 455 lines TV system.
Not successful, in 1939, only 200 TV can be found in France, most of them owned by goverment members.
During and after the war, swapping to the German 441 lines system (which was so close the 455 lines TV worked perfectly on it) and after the war, France used this system until the creation of the 819 lines standard.
In 1956, the old 441 lines emitter burn during presidential election, the poor things wasn't made to work that long. It was never get back to work.
Owner of 455 or 441 lines TV get money by gettign back their old TV to get a new set; which explain why 455 and 441 lines French set are impossible to find today.
In 1963, opening of the Second Channel, using the standard 625 lines system everyone use (except USA, Canada, Japan and some other countries which use 525 lines). In 1967, COLOR!
1973, Third channel on the air.
1975, the old, monolithic ORTF state organization is splitted into 3 state channels and other small organizations.
1979, French engineeers create the SCART/Péritel input/output plug. in 1981 it become compulsory on every new color TV.
1983, 819 lines system get out of the air. It free up the VHF band, and so in
1984, the first private French channel is creaated on the VHF band. It's also the first pay channel.
well and after it's modern bullshit :p
Intersting...Uh sorry about that first one lol XD The site I was looking this up featured Slovenian tv and radio history both together. Hmm...well by us I think the modern bullshit starts in year 2010 when digital signal is made D< This...sucks...SO MUCH...you can't believe it a guy like me get's his first black and white television but just a month sooner traditional analog signal was cancled and I still have to get a digital transmitter witch kind of makes me wanna scream |= Well I'll try go get one now theres no choice anyway...how much are they a piece by you? I'm checking right now ...the cheapest used one on the flee market is about 35€ a piece...still a little big much for my taste S<
It will stop soon... In September I think. But they switch off emitters after emitters, so I don't have analog TV since months
http://www.izipik.com/images/201005.....t-dsc08960.jpg
A picture I made to record the stichoff in my place. Took AFTER the stwitchoff... :/
An analog to RF transmitter take the audio and video signal from any video source that is NOT HD, like, your digital TV receiver, a video game console (even a PS3, through the three RCA output), a computer with composite output...
I have one, it's awesome :p
http://www.izipik.com/images/201006.....q-dsc09105.jpg
Here, linking my Archos vieo player to a "Euromatic 405" Soiet made TV ^^ Sold as "Shildajis" or "Sildelis" sometime too.
There was one of those that was made in Yugoslavia I think.
http://www.izipik.com/images/201006.....7-dsc09102.jpg
Here, I hooked a radio emitter on the back of the transmitter, and I receved the broadcast through air ^^ Just a Russian test card showing.
And a ITT TV on my PSOne :
http://www.izipik.com/images/201001.....3-dsc08612.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOpmDd4EpIc
http://www.izipik.com/images/201005.....t-dsc08960.jpg
A picture I made to record the stichoff in my place. Took AFTER the stwitchoff... :/
An analog to RF transmitter take the audio and video signal from any video source that is NOT HD, like, your digital TV receiver, a video game console (even a PS3, through the three RCA output), a computer with composite output...
I have one, it's awesome :p
http://www.izipik.com/images/201006.....q-dsc09105.jpg
Here, linking my Archos vieo player to a "Euromatic 405" Soiet made TV ^^ Sold as "Shildajis" or "Sildelis" sometime too.
There was one of those that was made in Yugoslavia I think.
http://www.izipik.com/images/201006.....7-dsc09102.jpg
Here, I hooked a radio emitter on the back of the transmitter, and I receved the broadcast through air ^^ Just a Russian test card showing.
And a ITT TV on my PSOne :
http://www.izipik.com/images/201001.....3-dsc08612.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOpmDd4EpIc
Especially those from the Socialist world, where the idea of replacing something old because it was "outdated" had no meaning.
It doesn't mean that they were of good quality, but it was more a matter of lack of quality control than deliberate will to make poor quality thing.
I don't know for Eastern countries, but in Soviet Union, in the 70's, they introduced two interesting markings on their products :
OTK and the seal of CCCP quality.
OTK mean the product or his parts we're checked. the seal is better, it mean the item was checked fully, tested, made with good parts and studied for being durable.
It doesn't mean that they were of good quality, but it was more a matter of lack of quality control than deliberate will to make poor quality thing.
I don't know for Eastern countries, but in Soviet Union, in the 70's, they introduced two interesting markings on their products :
OTK and the seal of CCCP quality.
OTK mean the product or his parts we're checked. the seal is better, it mean the item was checked fully, tested, made with good parts and studied for being durable.
It was mostly for export ^^ during the late 60's, the Soviet created the MashPriborIntorg company to sell Soviet goods to the world (plus AVTOExport for cars, and probably other "Intorg" and "Export" for bigger things). Not only to satellite countries, but also in third world countries... and yeah, also in the capitalist world (excluding the USA who always refused to trade with the Soviet).
Their main export product, in the "small thing" range, we're AM pocket radios. There was different models, but they we're all the same inside, and the design became quite old as during the 70's the models weren't modified.
There was also cameras, from the low quality Lomo to the very good Zorki.
Also in the 70's Tento exported their military quality binoculars. They are still used today for amateurs including West European, because of their good quality!
http://www.izipik.com/images/200902.....mix_201_01.jpg
This one was made, according to the dates found inside, in 1975. Quite old fashioned in all the was, especially the SW bands labelled in meters ONLY.
Better example, this vacuum tube Stereo radiogram :
http://www.izipik.com/images/200910.....9-dsc08390.jpg
This was sold between 1976 and 1980!! And it was found in supermarket :p Can you imagin, back in the 80, going to your local Walmart and finding this bulky radio? It was possible in Western Europe!
But there was already Japanese then asian radios on the market. You surely saw one of those Japanese pocket radios :
http://www.eco.univ-rennes1.fr/digi.....depictures.jpg
(ok it's an US model here :p)
We had them too. Soviet radio we're competing them on better sound, reception, and that Soviet radios we're featuring the LW band, used in Europe, when those asian and American radios have only the MW band.
Hmm I see I wanted to talk only about those seals... XD
So anyway, I meant that in the late 70's Soviet products we're considered of poor build quality, old-fashioned.
So they created the OTK control system, and added the seal of quality.
Plus, electronic products we're now exported by TechnoIntorg, shortened into "Tento", in an effort to look like a real brand and not just a weird name and logo in the back of the radio.
I don't know if it worked a lot. The fact is after the 80's, AM radios we're really cheap, and FM radios we're the "big thing". And as FM was found only on big, luxury Soviet sets, I think that only cameras and small B&W TV remained in the West European market (plus other unusual things. Like, the French school used to buy Soviet oscilloscopes in the 80's because they were reliable and cheaper).
Their main export product, in the "small thing" range, we're AM pocket radios. There was different models, but they we're all the same inside, and the design became quite old as during the 70's the models weren't modified.
There was also cameras, from the low quality Lomo to the very good Zorki.
Also in the 70's Tento exported their military quality binoculars. They are still used today for amateurs including West European, because of their good quality!
http://www.izipik.com/images/200902.....mix_201_01.jpg
This one was made, according to the dates found inside, in 1975. Quite old fashioned in all the was, especially the SW bands labelled in meters ONLY.
Better example, this vacuum tube Stereo radiogram :
http://www.izipik.com/images/200910.....9-dsc08390.jpg
This was sold between 1976 and 1980!! And it was found in supermarket :p Can you imagin, back in the 80, going to your local Walmart and finding this bulky radio? It was possible in Western Europe!
But there was already Japanese then asian radios on the market. You surely saw one of those Japanese pocket radios :
http://www.eco.univ-rennes1.fr/digi.....depictures.jpg
(ok it's an US model here :p)
We had them too. Soviet radio we're competing them on better sound, reception, and that Soviet radios we're featuring the LW band, used in Europe, when those asian and American radios have only the MW band.
Hmm I see I wanted to talk only about those seals... XD
So anyway, I meant that in the late 70's Soviet products we're considered of poor build quality, old-fashioned.
So they created the OTK control system, and added the seal of quality.
Plus, electronic products we're now exported by TechnoIntorg, shortened into "Tento", in an effort to look like a real brand and not just a weird name and logo in the back of the radio.
I don't know if it worked a lot. The fact is after the 80's, AM radios we're really cheap, and FM radios we're the "big thing". And as FM was found only on big, luxury Soviet sets, I think that only cameras and small B&W TV remained in the West European market (plus other unusual things. Like, the French school used to buy Soviet oscilloscopes in the 80's because they were reliable and cheaper).
Ah, I got'cha.
Sounds like the Soviets made and sold every kind of electronic device out there.
As for that big radio made between 1976 and 1980...yeahh, I actually could imagine finding one at Walmart. But not at the supermarket. That would be the last place I'd expect to look.
So the Soviet radios were competing with and were actually better than some Japanese radios? That's saying something...for a while, it seemed the only good radios were the Japanese designs.
So they basically created the OTK system and seal of quality to improve on low quality goods. Not a bad idea really. Sounds like its working for them.
Sounds like the Soviets made and sold every kind of electronic device out there.
As for that big radio made between 1976 and 1980...yeahh, I actually could imagine finding one at Walmart. But not at the supermarket. That would be the last place I'd expect to look.
So the Soviet radios were competing with and were actually better than some Japanese radios? That's saying something...for a while, it seemed the only good radios were the Japanese designs.
So they basically created the OTK system and seal of quality to improve on low quality goods. Not a bad idea really. Sounds like its working for them.
It worked probably good for the Soviet market, trades with socialist countries and third world countries. In Europe, it was coming a bit late, for reputation reasons.
About radios, they were competing on cheap, pocket radios typically this kind of radio :
http://www.le-coudray.com/images/01.....gnal601-ct.jpg
Of course, most Japanese radios were of better quality, with FM band, better plastic, more modern look. But we're more into the "small portable radio" range than in the pocket radio ^^
An it was back into the sixties, when Japan was only starting to discover electronics, and was still mostly into a traditional way of life.
For good radios, there was also in Europe the German radios, and the French radios as well, back in the 50's and 60's. After the seventies, most French brand, unable to compete, vanished, and in the 80's, it was the turn of German brands to get lost into big companies that killed the brands.
And worse, now those brand are back on shitty Chinese product.
It break the heart to see the name "Radiola" on a cheap plastic FM radio, or Shaub Lorentz, once famous for audio appliances, on a digital television decoder... Yuck.
About radios, they were competing on cheap, pocket radios typically this kind of radio :
http://www.le-coudray.com/images/01.....gnal601-ct.jpg
Of course, most Japanese radios were of better quality, with FM band, better plastic, more modern look. But we're more into the "small portable radio" range than in the pocket radio ^^
An it was back into the sixties, when Japan was only starting to discover electronics, and was still mostly into a traditional way of life.
For good radios, there was also in Europe the German radios, and the French radios as well, back in the 50's and 60's. After the seventies, most French brand, unable to compete, vanished, and in the 80's, it was the turn of German brands to get lost into big companies that killed the brands.
And worse, now those brand are back on shitty Chinese product.
It break the heart to see the name "Radiola" on a cheap plastic FM radio, or Shaub Lorentz, once famous for audio appliances, on a digital television decoder... Yuck.
I'm sure it did.
Ah, I see. *nods*
A bit. But still, the Japanese weren't the only ones making good radios. They were the most well known though, by far.
Germany always did turn out very good products, both for itself and for export. A combination of national pride and a skilled labour force lead to that reputation.
That...is the problem with today. The Chinese turn out shitty products by the truck load. And because they're so cheap, they fit well with a new American mentality that encourages wasting money. "Don't fix something, just buy another one" has become the rule of the day. Even though the economy is still in the toilet.
Ah, I see. *nods*
A bit. But still, the Japanese weren't the only ones making good radios. They were the most well known though, by far.
Germany always did turn out very good products, both for itself and for export. A combination of national pride and a skilled labour force lead to that reputation.
That...is the problem with today. The Chinese turn out shitty products by the truck load. And because they're so cheap, they fit well with a new American mentality that encourages wasting money. "Don't fix something, just buy another one" has become the rule of the day. Even though the economy is still in the toilet.
It come out to be the same thing here.
Older generation resist, but young people are really fashion, changing their MP3 player, mobile phone, clothes, every year or less...
They also have no idea about the lifetime of many things... like "oh, my washing machine is out... it's normal, it's already 4 year old..."
When I tell them my grand-mother kept the same washing machine for 30 years, and I myself have a 50 years old fridge still working, they are a little WTF...
Older generation resist, but young people are really fashion, changing their MP3 player, mobile phone, clothes, every year or less...
They also have no idea about the lifetime of many things... like "oh, my washing machine is out... it's normal, it's already 4 year old..."
When I tell them my grand-mother kept the same washing machine for 30 years, and I myself have a 50 years old fridge still working, they are a little WTF...
I can definately understand that.
Most of what I have is fairly old as well, and works just as good as when it was new. Most of my friends are all about the whole current trend of getting a new mobile phone, new computer, new everything every few months. Me, I hold onto things until they wear out and I can't fix them. I'll take something completely apart and clean and replace parts before I replace the whole thing.
Most of what I have is fairly old as well, and works just as good as when it was new. Most of my friends are all about the whole current trend of getting a new mobile phone, new computer, new everything every few months. Me, I hold onto things until they wear out and I can't fix them. I'll take something completely apart and clean and replace parts before I replace the whole thing.
Not...sure...I could but I probably won't XD Why? I have my Sava now, it's much better! Oh but it's not entirely quite fixed yet... it has some flaws and for a beginner like me it's not easy to find them right away...but that only makes it more...intreeguing owo But Sava mooves in mysterious ways...yesterday it went crackling after half a song and today I listened to 2o minutes of heavy metal all the way up and it didn't crack XD
That is possible... But he would need a lot of work! Except if you mean getting shortwaves, which are already on the radio (the band labelled 50 meters to 16 meters is the SW band, ranging from 6 Mhtz to 18 Mhtz).
Getting the FM isn't simply a band affair. AM and FM aren't different bands, they are different technologies!
You can broadcast AM on the "FM" band, it's not a problem (but no usual radios will be able to get your broadcast.) you can also broadcast FM on the Medium band (but same thing, not any normal radio will be able to "listen" it).
So, in order to receive FM on it, it would need to make this radio able to receive the VHF band, and second, to build a FM decoder. Both are possible, but that's alot of work and will denaturate the radio. He better search for a vacuum tube radios. There was a lot made in USA and Western Europe during the late 50's and early 60's, when germanium transistors were too weak to output strong sound, and so impossible to use outside a pocket radio.
Like, this fine 59 Grundig radio :
http://www.izipik.com/images/200903.....o-dsc07036.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/200903.....3-dsc07034.jpg
You can see the FM "UKW" band (stopping at 104 Mhtz according to the first European rules about this new band, later extended to 108 Mhtz)
Getting the FM isn't simply a band affair. AM and FM aren't different bands, they are different technologies!
You can broadcast AM on the "FM" band, it's not a problem (but no usual radios will be able to get your broadcast.) you can also broadcast FM on the Medium band (but same thing, not any normal radio will be able to "listen" it).
So, in order to receive FM on it, it would need to make this radio able to receive the VHF band, and second, to build a FM decoder. Both are possible, but that's alot of work and will denaturate the radio. He better search for a vacuum tube radios. There was a lot made in USA and Western Europe during the late 50's and early 60's, when germanium transistors were too weak to output strong sound, and so impossible to use outside a pocket radio.
Like, this fine 59 Grundig radio :
http://www.izipik.com/images/200903.....o-dsc07036.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/200903.....3-dsc07034.jpg
You can see the FM "UKW" band (stopping at 104 Mhtz according to the first European rules about this new band, later extended to 108 Mhtz)
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