Si todo este asunto es muy malo.

I think the guy who commented on your sonic piece is an idiot. She is obviously an adult by ways of HAVING BOOBS. How much more adult can you be? God, people are idiots...

CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE BOOBS. xD

I wish you'd stay. =[

it's the same, FA is telling us they don't allow cubs.. that will let us without defense to many guys like him.. for me the character is obviously adult, but not for him.. that's the problem, people have different apreciations and we can't fight with all people who doesn't think the same than us... also, i'm a cub fan, and most of the artist that i follow are cub or cute style artists.. there's no reason to stay here anymore... :( we need to do a masive exodus now.

You won't fight with stupid people... you'd be talking to admins, who know exactly what is looked at as cub and what isn't. I'm positive no admin would look at that sonic piece and call it cub.

Inkbunny

Actually, if you read this thread http://forums.furaffinity.net/threa.....-Policy-on-Cub dragoneer states that anyone who harasses a cub artist will face a 3 month ban, and those who the staff recognize that have a history of harassing cub artists will be banned for good.

A shame to see ya go to a place that I've never been able to access clearly. You should make an Inkbunny page. :O

dont be too hastey because of one or two bad lemons. I've seen plenty of adult art from you thats not even close to cub. Keep postin here :D

some people will think will be cubs ..(i linked a example).. also, since i'm fan of many cub and cute style artists who will not be allowed here anymore there will not reason for me to stay...

notice.. all the sonic fanart should be removed now, becouse most of the characters are "underage"... this new rule is worst than it sounds... really.. they are limiting the kind of art i can post, they will forbede my favorite artists too, also the new rule will let us exposed to moralfags and stupids who will call us "paedophiles" becouse a character doesn't have big boobs... all this sucks.. a lot...

not all the sonic art
sece you could draw tem being 18 years old it shouldn't be a problem

Nothing wrong with sonic art as long as you state the characters portrayed are their 18+ year old counterpart.

Nah Inkbunny uses AlertPay from what ive heard, so most likely they'll be next too, on the list.

Inkbunny's trying to find another though, because of this.

pretty much it was explained to me twice lol. anyway looks like i might be goin there IF they continuing banning other content.

Dude ur da 5th guy already. Man dis is spreading fast

Its like a virus, its affecting everyone in a certain way.

I'm starting to see some of my favorite pics being removed, despite not being cub in the slightest. While it's not at all FA's fault, I still think I'm ready to move to a different site.

Bye my friend T_T
Will always keep an eye on Palcomix though, but I'll really miss you *hugs*

I'm not even sure where the idea of "cub" came from. I just thought that was your art style.

And I think thats what it comes down to, everyone who is upset about this is, in most part, now forced to find a new site to which they can post what they wish. I left DA cause of the many bans, and I really dont have the time, patience, or memory to keep up with yet another account, on yet another site, that will eventually start to ban as well, and the whole vicious cycle will begin anew.

By the way I'm against the concept, but do not fault the admins for making a business decision, they just need to find a pay support that wont worry about questionable free speech, the gray sort of speak that clouds the debate.

WHAT!??? NO MORE MATURE SONIC ART?!!!!!!!!!!!!

sonic characters are almost all underage and thus, banned. Unless you want eggman porn.

inb4 pingas

God no!!!!!

Just put their age you're drawing them as in the description. Just because a character looks young/small body/toonish, doesn't mean they are young. Most my young looking/small characters are between the ages of 17-20. Just a species thing that furries are small in their worlds.

And if you do move, there's always ink bunny.

Bummer... But wait, that only counts for young art. Please don't abandon FA just because of that.

I've got issues with a troll in dA, but I'm still there.

I mean, the only Sonic chick who qualifies for "Cub" status is Cream.

Please don't leave.

actually almost all of the sonic characters started out as young teens and even now i think (not counting 25 or 30 years later) sonics age is around 16-18 so very few will fit the legal age... sonic, knuckles, shadow, rouge may fit and sally since they about the same age but amy, tails, cream, mina, silver, blaze, and others are under 18 =\

i really dont see why FICTIONAL characters that DONT EXIST really have peoples panties in a twist its not like they are getting people to rape little human kids... but it looks like to many of them are big whiners that they do this to continue to get money... ;_; its sad really...

Seriously. I have enough of this B.S. to deal with back in deviantArt...

>< man i never once even tried to post my mature stuff on there though u can have naked fat/skinny/boney guys and chicks showin their junk to the world in a nice pose but if u draw a fictional character doin the same shit and ye get bashed for it xP

That's the kind of bull crap I'm talkin' about.

It makes me think that site isn't Sonic fan friendly...

lol well those of us that like the sexay sonics x3

Sorry to see you go over such an arbitrary art ban.

You should make a pixiv account (which is whole free anything)

Take care bbmbbf, can't be helped things turned out like this.

cubcentral.org

Been around for YEARS now, it's just can't be searched is all

Maybe I should start abandoning this place as well.

Cub central.

WWOEC

Pixiv

That's all I can name off the the top of my head.

OH! And Inkbunny

Well WWOEC forums will welcome everyone who are leaving FA

This is sad. :(

Well please let me know where everyone decides to go. I will send the site a donation. I don't want to miss all of my favorite artists like you, and several othere that are leaving. Hopes all of you have a great Thanksgiving. Hugs all of you, Wuzzletodd

"bye to all sonic porn fanart, bye bye to tiny toons adult fanart"

THANK GOD
lol

It's not cub ART that's being banned, it's cub PORN. There's a fucking difference.

This.

Yea?

Because people say cub ART and not cub PORN.

I see, I see.

If all Sonic porn art does get banned cause of this "cub ban" then I am sure as hell leaving.

nah this shouldn't affect the sonic art as long as they are depicted as being 18 or so

Er yeah... if he thinks THAT looks young I am a bit worried about him TBH... I know what a female child's frame looks like and that is nowhere near close.

It also annoys me a bit that retards like that will think that any short woman or underbusted one is a kid. Could be a small busted Fennec, fully adult, but still looks like a child. (I say this because I have a RL friend who is a MOTHER OF TWO and in her 30's who people still call a Child because she is short and Asian... thus small up stairs)

Gatomon could fall under the category when her problem is she is a House Cat anthro not under age. Likewise, they may get confused with the Tiny Toons but they were going to COLLEGE for Christ's sake! (It was a University not a High School)

It also gets tricky because a number of people like to Draw under aged characters as if they had grown up a bit. So you get things like Cream drawn as an adult and the like. Does that mean she is still pedophile territory? Or seems how she now is given an adult body does that make her adult despite the original character?

Damn, who'd think what started as a minor annoyance to some folks would spark into this? -_-

the actual law affected this decision you have to fix the government laws in order for this stuff to be allowed back on.

If you find any better sites let me know and I'm there.

Man, I'm tired of Drama!

So this means you aren't posting anymore? b-but...

hm.... I cannot belive Porn art can go this low. I belive that law but not to seriously.

If this law escalated, Sonic porn will even being drag into this situation.

as for me I might wanna try to "Grow them up" or having to modify the body to avoid any kid lookin features.

still im willing to stay cause this new is still too new or low to be serious.

Peace, BBMBBF.

And don't forget the "it's based on a child character,therefore,it's CP" crowd. No matter how much you "age" a character,that you drew porn of a character who's only canon appearance is as a child,in some people's eyes,you're still getting horny for a kid and therefore a pervert.

Frankly,I'm sick of the holier than thou groups who try to "clean up" a porn site. Because it always comes down to the only way to really "clean up" a site is to get rid of all the porn. And then,suddenly,all the porn artists,who once cast judgment on "the real sickos" are cast out themselves. And they bitch about how unfair it is.

We're all perverts. We stand together or we hang separately.

hahaha amen! i mean im not a huge perv but i can deny i can be a perv

Definitly be visiting your site more often then

I wouldn't say leave fully, theres nothing wrong with that picture, since first off, its a fan character so her age is determined by the creator, second, don't let people get to you, a lot of things get past it with art by saying "Characters are depicted as being 18" thats how they get around doing Evangelion stuff, when both girls are 14 in actuality.

At least still upload some of your stuff.

i read the whole thing and yes you can still put on sonci and digimon ar
without the sexual immature stuff. in other words they would mainley loo at the body so you can still upload sonic/digimon art
still ti would be sad to see you go

see i actually like more non pron then i like pron but lets just be reasonable xD a LARGE majority of FA are here for the pr0n xD im sure donations are gonna plummet after this hit!

that is true
but still renamon is clarley an adult for example so she can still be draw
and same for the sonic chars if you draw them as over 18

yes as long as u say they are or wut not its shouldn't be to bad but there are some people thats gonna think they look younger then they actually are then bam stuck with the same problem again

well they should look on the body not the face XD

xD haha true!

well this is the first ive heard of it... damn =\ i wasnt in it for the actually baby/cub pronz but i did enjoy the sonic and older stuff because I KNOW they're not little kids >< some ppl need to get their facts straight... i have a friend thats 27 years old and she looks 16! im not joking! but that dont mean i cant date her because "someone" sees her and thinks of a young teenager... >< my god people...

Damn. I was wondering about parody pics and sonic art. That's about the only thing i'm unsure about since all of the art I do is adult anyway.

you can still draw that
i mean you depict the sonic characters as adults anyway from waht i remember

"We will also not be removing mature/adult chibi art, stylized images or pictures that are drawn in otherwise cutesy styles."
so yay for that =]

which works for me sens emy gals actuley ahve the way there eyes look but still all are in there 20's

yup! same here and u can make chibi sexiness as long as u dont lable it cub ur off the hook!

i shulld head back to palcomix as well have unfinished translations to do >_< but i am way to busy to do alot you got an inkbunny BBMBBF???

Where are you going to go? VCL? SoFurry? InkBunny? PawsRu.Org? Unfortunately right now there's a MASSIVE mania among first world countries to "protect children" from sexual abuse and predators, to the point of hysteria and insanely restrictive laws that wind up violating people's personal rights. The problem isn't with FA or any other hosting site, it's with society at the moment, and pretty much anywhere you go the bigots who dislike your interests will just follow you and try to shut you down for expressing your artistic freedoms. It's sad to see that we're entering George Orwell's predicted age of Thought Crime Enforcement. =/

Los dibujos que hago, a pesar que muchos los encuentran "tiernos", realmente tienen más edad de la que aparentan. Osea, normalmente las niñas no suelen tener pechos grandes y caderas anchas.

En el nuevo reglamento de FA que estás mostrando no leo nada que me prohiba publicar mi trabajo aquí. Por lo tanto, no debería ser un problema que exista gente que no sepa diferenciar entre una infante y una mujer. Para esos siempre existe el dedo medio.

Yo nunca he sido un fan del lolicon o del cub art, pero me gusta darle expresiones juveniles a mis personajes, aún cuando estos son ya mayores.

En tu caso te comprendo. Las chicas menores de edad tienen más demanda en este negocio de los dibujos. (hentai o no)

Bueno, pues ni modo. Aunque siento un tono de resentimiento en tus palabras, no deberías tomártelo tan a pecho. Después de todo, con tanto "monstruo" rondando por la red, no culpes a la gente por tener miedo.

Animo. Al menos tienes tu propio espacio donde eres libre de publicar tus trabajos sin temor. Además, nadie te está hechando de aquí. Siempre puedes venir a dejarnos algún dibujillo de Mizato. =P

I hope you don't leave and/or stop posting stuff on FA.

I hope you don't leave and/or stop posting stuff on FA.

Sorry to see you leave. Your art is great. Hope you don't loose the faith.

aww that doesn't mean you should leave entirely! You can still upload aged up characters or clean-cub. Maybe start doing alternate clean versions of some pictures?

I would really hate to see you and Karavan go. You draw plenty of characters that are okay in the AUP terms. Heck, Karavan's style doesn't even remind me of anything cubbish unless explictly stated!

I just read his post It's obviously a troll I just took a swing to his page and in scraps is a pic of Sonic masturbating the same coments he posted for your pic of Becky can also be aplied there; so, obvious troll, is obvious, just ignore. Aside from that what would they do to a parody of the copertone add/logo?

Everyone has there own way of drawing, some folks can't stand super deformed styles for example and praise more realistic anatomy. I digress, I like your work, It's one thing for some folks to argue about "stuff" but you cant really argue with the reasons for the TOS change. Short of moving everything (servers etc) to Japan I gues theres always Pal. What ever yo do I hope share some with your watchers.

DeviantART....now Youtube....and now FurAffinity? WHY!??

Man, this is bad news...

Ha, if they think they can take me down, then I'm not going without a fight.

Yeah, good luck with that ;)

Well, if you're going to ragequit FA because of the ban of cub porn, that's your loss. General cub art is still allowed on the site regardless.

I hear most people going to InkBunny.

You're one of the top people I know that the new AUP effects the most. Some are hoping to skirt by with comments about "the characters used are depicted as 18 years or older" and such, but who knows.


At least you still have Palcomix. Be sure to set up a journal for where you exodus too now bud. ^_^

I think it would be best to open up a new art site, but you already have that with palcomix

Well if you do find a new place to submit the stuff be sure to tell us.

going anywhere new?

SoFurry should be good for your exodus. http://www.sofurry.com

Concuerdo con eclipse = =U ciertamente esto apesta... Yo ya no hago hentai por que por eso perdi a mi pareja... (_ _U entre tantas otras cosas) pero no por que me acosaran por este asunto de que se veian demasiado jovenes mis chars = =............ aun asi estoy molesta DX por que debes irte!? por un sopilote que estaba aburrido y se vino a quejar? = = esa opinion no cuenta para nada, si hay gente con el cerebro tan cerrado no es tu culpa solo la de ellos.

En lo personal no soy fanatica de los personajes demasiado jovenes como Cream por ejemplo, es un H pero que hay de la libertad de expresion?! que no tenemos derecho a dibujar lo que queremos y como queremos?

= = muchos artistas en el pasado fueron perseguidos por esto durante las revoluciones, en todos los paises ha sido asi.

Estamos en un momento de cambio señores! = = no me vengan con el asunto de "son demasiado jovenes" por que las pendejitas ya desde los 12 años hoy en dia andan soltando la chancleta y liandose con el que se le cruse.

Es un motivo de polemica, no deberia ser asi, pero deberian quejarse de la realidad y no de la ficcion = =










=w=U siento como si hubiera dado un discurso...... XD bue en fin, fuerza! X3 todos esperan que te quedes y a todo el equipo de palcomix =w= tambien! XD

.w. no lo digo como fan de sus comics, lo digo como amiga y como alguien a quien han inspirado para poder crear su propia serie de comics, pequeña pero desidida =w=

well this f-ing bites. but I can still catch your stuff on the pal site. if FA was looking to free up space looks like they are going to have a lot, 1/3 of the folks I watch are looking to move. who knows maybe they will wisen up and get a new service for donations. because as it looks there going to lose either way with this new decicion.

Palcomix stopped charging ridiculous amounts of money and became a free site like FA? Wow, awesome!

Oh.. wait.. no, I checked, it's still one massive, eye bleeding page full of over saturated ads.

u mad?

No, not mad, just saying, don't come on here saying you are one thing when you are just whoring your own art for money.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think whoring your art is great but pretending to give a shit about people to get them to join your site so you can make more money is right up there on the moral shit list with Dragoneer's own sell-out actions.

You are basically saying "Come to my site! I'll host your stuff so people can pay me for it... and you get nothing!" That's just uncool.

palcomix is free.. as far i know ^^ our forum have over 78000 members, no one of them pay any cent for joining or download anyhthing... there's currently over 100 comics posted on the main page.. all them for free... so, don't be a liar my friend... but still.. if palcomix sucks for you, it's fine... :)

Oh, and annoying music adds that auto-play when you go to the page. Nice! I missed that until my spam blocker alerted me. Sorry Internet explorer users! Guess you get to listen to the horrible singling.

http://www.palcomix.com/promololo.swf

Why would people go there again?

psssst.. <whisper> there's a button that turn off the anoyying music </whisper> just a advice

So, finaly FA has to listen to the sweet whispers of money... or the moralfags holding the big moneysac ... brilliant I say!!!

So, for now they call cub related content the "grey zone", giving the image of FA a bad touch, because it´s a kind of pedophilia when you look at it through the eyes of the forefinger-raising morons.

To keep FA alive, the staff had to change the TOS and ban those pedo-like cub art... that´s fine.

But seriously... isn´t that just a first step after all?

Wasn´t this kind of witch-hunt starting like this at yahell a few years ago?

So, what will be next?

I asume the "grey zone" will become bigger sooner or later after this success... then it will include every copyright protected character out there, which simply means bubai to every fan-art on FA, because all these characters are made for kids in the first way.

So, putting all these characters in filthy sexual situations, or just nudity, can also be called as some sort of pedophilia... when you look at it from the point of view the moralists have.

And that will be just a matter of time, for sure.

Welcome to Russia 50 years ago *lol*

I'm sorry about what happened to FA that planning on forbidding FA. The best way to change paying hosts is to get another paying host, like Rule 34 did. I know that this isn't FA fault, but this is mostly AlertPay's fault for thinking that cub porn was "child porn". I know we have similar problems with lolicon before, but I really hate to see my favorite artist leaving. =<

Hey, we let some of our artists know beforehand about lolibooru (though it may not be for everyone because it's kinda anime show/fanart centric), but for any FA peeps draw like, samurai pizza cats or that one story with the sheep and wolf, yea, ask slayerduck on rizon
Perhaps you might want to get him and Varka dialoguing so there is a furry spinoff? Just a thought.

Well, I'm not so fond of it but hope people like your stuff on the inkbunny site.

I hear most people are going to Inkbunny now. However, I read the forum guides and so far it seems that cub 'art' is all right, but what's being removed is cub 'porn'. If you're not certain about posting something I would suggest talking to the admins about it and see what they say if you're unsure about about a drawing you did.

si, es una pena, afecta a grandes artistas esto, pero son las reglas que le impusieron a FA, aunque hay que ver que pasa el lunes y martes con las nuevas guidelines acerca de lo de Sonic y todas estas cosas, porque de ser el caso, tambien me tendría que ir de aqui XD; debo hacerme un cuenta en inkbunny por las dudas.

"We will also not be removing mature/adult chibi art, stylized images or pictures that are drawn in otherwise cutesy styles."

I don't know the difference between chibified adults and cubs... if there is a difference, then only in the way of thinking about it. Just to believe that chibis are cute drawn adults, doesn't mean they could not look similar to minors. Its such a stupid situation... I see it coming: Time wasting discussions all the time and chibi-porn stuff will have to move next.

Well, time to draw well clothed non pornographic ice licking/sucking cubs... (Yes, non adult cub stuff is still okay on FA)
I like that more then straight forward porn without the need of own imagination.

Rule34 always will be. Be sure.