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Whatever works best for you. There's no need to "rush" anything if you don't have the time today, tomorrow, or the next couple of months.

based of you to say tbh and it is appreciated. creative stuff feels like a constant rat race nowadays and i cannot place my finger on why
it's very reassuring to hear otherwise

You're welcome. ;3

The reason I've decided upon regarding that is because the internet gives exposure, condensing that 15 minutes of fame into 15 seconds.
Good, genuine, well crafted work takes time to do. My writing is the same, it may take me five months to write like four pages, but my own personal standards are maintained and I don't feel like I only produce easy to shat out garbage just for the sake of being relevant.

Not to call anyone out, but I'll never pay myself in front of any artist's comm list just for the sake of my work. I'd rather let things simmer and find the right artist/mental image that will match my vision perfectly, instead of rushing the process in the name of fame and visibility. That kind of thing sickens me.

no but all of this is so right and i completely agree with it, I am tired of seeing and hearing about social media numbers and the overabundance of people fighting each other to churn out content for the quickest benefit and shit. u got it nailed

You bring up great points, its so refreshing to see and i completely agree w this. 100% rushing things loses the soul and quality that they'd otherwise have, especially for story and worldbuilding i think

I've been around for a while, and seen a looot of bad apples doing some scummy shit. And as for that thing about paying artists to have priority on their comm list, I didn't mean you specificly. Just someone I thought was a talented writer, until I learned of their practices and lack of ethics. It was an easy block from me. It's fine to disagree on stuff, but to pull that shady crap speaks more about how the artistic merit is a far far far secondary priority to have. Much better to start at a prohibitively high cost and work your way even higher still for the sake of adding an image that gets outsourced anyway.

The most egregious display of egotistical writing I've ever seen is making a commission about the artist's personal interests, wants, and likes instead of the commissioner's. I mean, it's fine to have your own OC be an integral part of the narrative you're creating, but when your client's OC is portrayed as a supporting role, instead being part of the main cast, that's where I get all up the walls and swipe bared claws!


I notice that the older I am, the more bitchy I get about certain things. ^^;
2000% the case for sloppy, inconsistent narration and heavy usage of plot armor for a shallow reason that doesn't affect the plot beyond what the writer decides. Even when it violates the basic in-universe rules that every other character has to obey and cannot, under no circumstance ignore or escape from. Seeing that fills me with so much rage! RAAAAH! I feel like I could turn into an IRL Hulk(®©™ to&by Marvel) because of how bad it gets under my skin.

dw I didn't expect that you did, I've unfortunately heard several too many stories about artist-client relationships and how weird some are, from artist or otherwise. I won't really judge artists for taking inspiration or advantage of tools available although those fakes who laud AI writing and art as their own created work do make me laugh. it's usually blissfully obvious tho. if that's what you mean otherwise you might have lost me because that's what I assume when ethics become a debate with art

I actually have had that happen to myself in RP a few times and it is extremely awkward lmao I can't imagine how frustrating that would be as someone commissioning a writing piece.

marvel is the peak of the most banal and bland power of friendship plot armour shit out there so it's a very relevant comparison LOL but in general i agree. when a story starts to feel unnatural or contrived to be a certain way i almost always checkout. I would say it can even secondhandedly be a little embarrassing to read

Excited to see what you do with ferragons! Also just curious- why do you hate TH?

thank youuu

the complete lack of staff and moderation, the lack of changes in features after 10 years (I joined about 10 years ago and the site has been pretty much completely unchanged since then, only TLQ to keep the site up), the sheer amount of anti-porn and pro-censorship and anti-discomfort minors and unstable young adults sticking their noses where they're not wanted, the unhinged forums full of various social politics, i could go on honestly lol

It is not an environment that's friendly for adult creatives, especially those trying to foster community spaces or like species. too many deranged people and absolutely zero moderation. with the 10 years I spent on premium, I basically watched it get shit down the drain by the owner to continue keeping TH as a thriving repository for 500mb kids' drawings. I've also heard deranged stories about witch hunts and unrightful bans for content literally allowed in the TOS and other dumb shit that never got overturned, people whose businesses got ruined for no reason, etc

TLDR it's just not a place that synergises with me anymore for many moderation-related reasons

makes sense! I don't really interact with the community at all, I just use it for character/art storage bc I like that it automatically watermarks stuff.. this that you've told me is pretty alarming though, I may look into alternatives. Do you know of any? Totally ok if you don't!

it's honestly so good for character storage and it's sad that it is. I don't know anything alternative to it except sdlf-hosted neocities templates unfortunately. I've heard of different alts but they're all either money hungry or don't know what they're doing really.

even using characters for storage, if you aren't holding them privately there's always the non-zero chance that some nutcase will come and cause a problem

You've just described 70%~95% of today's internet culture. Being anonymous has been taken for granted so long now that it's treated as a "get out of jail free" card to do, say, and perpetrate some of the worse behaviors humans have had for one another since the Industrial Revolution, if not earlier.

I'm sorry for sounding so negative, but having the ability to remain detached from it all is a must just to survive online. There's always someone who'll get offended, be greedy, vicious, discriminating, etc. Again, sorry for the negativity.

Have a big warm hug instead! 🫂

yeah unfortunately this. It's exhausting stuff even on the fringes of it because it essentially isolates you from using what is actually a pretty big and useful feature of the site.

nah you're good, in context it means mostly that I cannot really post my dead dove content or OCs without needing to hide them and when there's an omnipresent pressure in such an obnoxious way, I lose love for the site real fast. Especially the way TH is so unmoderated. because people will take advantage of that and be insanely deranged about it

It's a bit of a long shot, but have you thought about Mastodon...? I can't describe it much better than "share and post like on Twitter, except individual communities can have their own moderation standards like Discord" Although, if you wanted to make your own server rather than joining an existing one, it's not quite as easy (or free) as a Discord server. But if you really want to avoid TH and Discord, it might be worth taking a look.

Sorry to hear you've had a bad experience with TH by the way. You're a very skilled artist and other people should consider keeping their opinions about what you do with that to themselves 🤣

I could possibly take a look, I didn't know mastodon was still around and alive so I'd be curious. For a species I think a discord is inevitably going to be the better option since discord servers DO make good hubs by themselves, but I may check this out anyway because I had no idea it was still around, tysm

Thankfully I haven't personally experienced it but I've known and seen a lot of people who have and the site just feels like it's in an extremely slow death spiral ATM. I hope it's not, but after 10 years of the same shit it's not looking good
Also thank u so much lol I do wish people were not such clowns about strangers online truly