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This is an assault weapon
Thats right, this is an assault weapon!!
Note, that its based on a military design.
Its scary, its icky, it shoots a very powerful bullet. Even could be used with a bayonet.
In its day, it killed alot of people, possibly many innocent people. So therefor an assault weapon by certain media and biased descriptions. In the hands of a determined person, can cause a shitload of chaos...one shot at a time.
You got that?
Its an 1873 Springfield trapdoor rifle, that fired a .45-70 round a single shot at a time.
And in the view of liberals, an evil weapon that must be surrendered and/or destroyed.
Yes, I am in a snarky mood right now.
Note, that its based on a military design.
Its scary, its icky, it shoots a very powerful bullet. Even could be used with a bayonet.
In its day, it killed alot of people, possibly many innocent people. So therefor an assault weapon by certain media and biased descriptions. In the hands of a determined person, can cause a shitload of chaos...one shot at a time.
You got that?
Its an 1873 Springfield trapdoor rifle, that fired a .45-70 round a single shot at a time.
And in the view of liberals, an evil weapon that must be surrendered and/or destroyed.
Yes, I am in a snarky mood right now.
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None because I'm not quite crazy enough to hunt them without a back up revolver and a rifle that fires more then one shot. I know people that have taken hogs with spears and of people who have died when they didn't have anything but a single shot or even just a gun that jammed.
Actually I have a model 1945 Mosin Nigant Carbine that has the bayonet permanently attached and I have to have it extended to shoot it. Russian military doctrine required bayonets to be attached at all times and the sights are set for having it extended to be able to shoot anything correctly otherwise the sights are off.
Ohh Henry released a 45-70 lever action recently... holds 4 or 5 rounds... so I guess that would be a super assault weapon no? Then again while assaulting someone with a weapon... it would be an assault weapon. You know, like my sharp ass pointy drafting pencil.
And those of us that paid attention back during the early days of the last AWB probably remember when Commiefornia tried to ban "...any weapon ever considered for use or used by the Military..."
They didn't exclude antiques....
It got...ahem...shot down....but the new catch word is "Weapons of War"....
They didn't exclude antiques....
It got...ahem...shot down....but the new catch word is "Weapons of War"....
Guess they tried to push through a sort of "War Weapon Control Law", that bans all fullautomatic weapons from the civil weapon market. But semi automatic Rifle like the HK 91, basically a semi auto version of the HK G3, or the HK SL8, a civil version of the HK G36, are available for sport shooting and hunters.
My grandfather had to sell of some amazing heritage weaponry when they brought in the first of two impossibly botched 'gun control' laws here. He ended up selling off everything from an Enfield, to an M1 Carbine and everything in between. I think he even had some older rifles that were damn near museum pieces given how he cared for them.
Here's hoping the Springfield doesn't have a similar fate, and have to be sold off. It's a really top shape weapon.
Here's hoping the Springfield doesn't have a similar fate, and have to be sold off. It's a really top shape weapon.
The 1873 trapdoor Rifle, issued to Cavalry and Infantry as the standard firearm in both Carbine and Infantry standard. This piece looks to be a Carbine Cavalry variant. The .45-70 round was a lethal black powder round with an average range of 300 meters, though could have difficulty ejecting if not cared for properly. Kept in service until around 1885 I believe.
Actually right up to just before WW1. They were using trapdoors even during the Spanish American war and the Philippine Insurrection of 1899-1902. Plus I have a national guard photo taken in 1911 that has the troops armed with trapdoors, the Sargents carried Krags, the officers 1903s.
Not only is it an assault weapon, it was used all over the west in what liberals would no doubt call "racist hate crimes"
As far as old "assault rifles" go, I've always wanted a British land-pattern brown Bess, myself. I've got a .50 cal. Thompson percussion rifle that my dad built, and still shoot it from time to time. Black powder and big lead is fun.
As far as old "assault rifles" go, I've always wanted a British land-pattern brown Bess, myself. I've got a .50 cal. Thompson percussion rifle that my dad built, and still shoot it from time to time. Black powder and big lead is fun.
Bayonet lugs and a long thin bayonet for piercing body armor. pin point aiming devices for accurate and deadly fire, trap door breach for increased fire speed, camo stock designed to blend in with sticks and tree branches, exposed hammer for slam firing from the hip, heavy wooden stock with metallic plating for bashing in skulls, leather strap that may be used for strangling babies, ram rod can be used as an implement of torture, single knuckle guard for cracking skulls on the move.
Fires the .40-70 Govt. (For government use) sniper round, powerful enough to kill a buffalo and can shoot 3200 meters.
Even the NRA agrees!
Reported expert and possible NRA supporter Mr Fluffikins said roughly, that he could find no use for this rifle in civilian hands.
Yup, it's an evil sniper assault weapon.
Fires the .40-70 Govt. (For government use) sniper round, powerful enough to kill a buffalo and can shoot 3200 meters.
Even the NRA agrees!
Reported expert and possible NRA supporter Mr Fluffikins said roughly, that he could find no use for this rifle in civilian hands.
Yup, it's an evil sniper assault weapon.
"The firing was done by Mr. R.T Hare of Springfield Armory who has the enviable distinction, so far as is known, of being the only person in the world who has hit the 'Bull's-Eye' six feet in diameter at 2,500 yards with three different rifles, and who has ever fired at and hit so small a target as that described in this report at 3,200 yards.
In comparison with this, all other so-called 'long range firing' pales into insignificance. The gun was held under the arm, a muzzle rest only being used."
Reliably, the improved cartridge, .45-70 500 grain, could hit a target out to 1000 meters, however it remains lethally effective up to a distance of 3200 meters in volley fire according to the sandy hook tests conducted in 1879.
The unimproved cartridge was effective out to about 300 meters.
Black powder can do some pretty cool stuff. But that wasn't the point of my comment now was it.
In comparison with this, all other so-called 'long range firing' pales into insignificance. The gun was held under the arm, a muzzle rest only being used."
Reliably, the improved cartridge, .45-70 500 grain, could hit a target out to 1000 meters, however it remains lethally effective up to a distance of 3200 meters in volley fire according to the sandy hook tests conducted in 1879.
The unimproved cartridge was effective out to about 300 meters.
Black powder can do some pretty cool stuff. But that wasn't the point of my comment now was it.
First off, I really don't think it's a matter of "need"; I don't need to justify my mags that hold more than some arbitrary (and ever-decreasing, if New York is any indication) number.
But since I like to answer honest questions, I'll play along with your "need" paradigm. Why do I need more than ten rounds in my pistol? Any hunter will tell you that sometimes a .30-'06 round or a 12-gauge slug will fail to take down a deer. Those are both rounds that do massive amounts of damage; pistol rounds (and even intermediate rifle calibers like 5.56) are positively anemic by comparison. There are many documented reports of bad guys soaking up more than ten rounds each before they stop fighting. So if I have to deal with potentially two or three home invaders, then yeah, I should expect to need thirty-plus rounds. That's a totally reasonable amount of ammo to have, especially given how easy it is to, you know, MISS while under the stress of a gunfight.
Here are some accounts to back this up:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20.....n-defenseless/
-Five .38 rounds hit one guy, and he didn't go down. If he had called that woman's bluff instead of running away, she would probably be dead right now. And what if there had been two assailants?
http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com.....HMJ11/?page=32
-A fairly small guy who wasn't even hopped up on drugs soaked up thirteen rounds of .45ACP before quitting the fight. And he even lived through it.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localn.....ooting10m.html
-A man gets shot sixteen times by the police and lives.
So yeah, I may need a ton of rounds to get the job done. And really, why do police have standard-capacity 30-round mags? To protect themselves against criminals. Why do I have 30-rounders? To protect myself against those VERY SAME CRIMINALS until the cops arrive. And I don't even have the advantage of body armor, backup, a nifty little vest that holds extra mags, etc. like the cops do. What I have in my gun will have to last me through a whole gunfight-- God forbid it ever comes to that-- and ten rounds just won't cut it.
But since I like to answer honest questions, I'll play along with your "need" paradigm. Why do I need more than ten rounds in my pistol? Any hunter will tell you that sometimes a .30-'06 round or a 12-gauge slug will fail to take down a deer. Those are both rounds that do massive amounts of damage; pistol rounds (and even intermediate rifle calibers like 5.56) are positively anemic by comparison. There are many documented reports of bad guys soaking up more than ten rounds each before they stop fighting. So if I have to deal with potentially two or three home invaders, then yeah, I should expect to need thirty-plus rounds. That's a totally reasonable amount of ammo to have, especially given how easy it is to, you know, MISS while under the stress of a gunfight.
Here are some accounts to back this up:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20.....n-defenseless/
-Five .38 rounds hit one guy, and he didn't go down. If he had called that woman's bluff instead of running away, she would probably be dead right now. And what if there had been two assailants?
http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com.....HMJ11/?page=32
-A fairly small guy who wasn't even hopped up on drugs soaked up thirteen rounds of .45ACP before quitting the fight. And he even lived through it.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localn.....ooting10m.html
-A man gets shot sixteen times by the police and lives.
So yeah, I may need a ton of rounds to get the job done. And really, why do police have standard-capacity 30-round mags? To protect themselves against criminals. Why do I have 30-rounders? To protect myself against those VERY SAME CRIMINALS until the cops arrive. And I don't even have the advantage of body armor, backup, a nifty little vest that holds extra mags, etc. like the cops do. What I have in my gun will have to last me through a whole gunfight-- God forbid it ever comes to that-- and ten rounds just won't cut it.
You failed to mention that this gun type was used primarilly against Native Americans... The libs would most certainly use that fact to have it banned. They are never ones to waste a tragedy. Even an old one.
Nonetheless, yer gonna get some winges over this, and they can kiss my gun owning behenkis!
Nonetheless, yer gonna get some winges over this, and they can kiss my gun owning behenkis!
Right. My dad told me when he was involved with the occupation of Japan after WW II the population had to be disarmed, which meant that many kinds of antique, museum quality and ancestral weapons were surrendered by the population, some never to be returned to their proper place, ever again. Your reason for being in a "Snarky" mood is a good one. What happened in Occupied Japan could easily happen to US.
My friend, it IS happening to us, by degrees. No government has ever limited it's law abiding people access to weapons for the good of the people. It is always about securing more power for the government. The worst part is the rubes are lead by fear to agree with forces such as the Brady Campaign against guns, etc.
Back when it was first made, it would have used black powder. However as time went on it wouldn't surprise me if they switched to smokeless, however by the time the US army was using smokeless they were already switching to the Krag-jorgensen rifle (M1892 Springfield) chambered in 30-40 which then was replaced by the M1903 in 30-06 caliber.
Originally, the .50-70 (original variant and Alin conversion) and later the .45-70 were black powder cartridges. Around 1890, smokeless powder started showing up on the scene, and with the ability to uniformly start making bottleneck cartridges, the straight walled .45-70 would soon die out as a military cartridge, in favor of other rounds like the .30-40 Krag, .30-06, 7MM and 8MM Mauser, and the popular 7.62 X 54R.
As for loads, you can still get black powder loads for the .45-70 that are safe for the rifles. As for smokeless powder "modern" ammo, it has to be clearly marked on the box "For Use in All Rifles", as there are some really hot loads for this round. I have some loads that really pound my shoulder that I use in my Sharps ( 535 Grain hard cast lead for hunting, and a custom 550 grain Spitzer for long range shooting), but would possibly shatter the receiver on my trapdoor.
As for loads, you can still get black powder loads for the .45-70 that are safe for the rifles. As for smokeless powder "modern" ammo, it has to be clearly marked on the box "For Use in All Rifles", as there are some really hot loads for this round. I have some loads that really pound my shoulder that I use in my Sharps ( 535 Grain hard cast lead for hunting, and a custom 550 grain Spitzer for long range shooting), but would possibly shatter the receiver on my trapdoor.
Hear him, hear him!
I know this post is a bit old, but I indeed agree, people must leave all other oppositions, opinions and political affiliations behind on this issue.
The American people are standing against the slow yet steady attempts to dissolve one of the nation's most important documents, the Constitution.
We should do so not as Democrats or Republicans, not Liberals nor Conservatives, but united, as Americans.
I see so many people of different colours, creeds, ages, sexes, and affiliations, all standing up and speaking out against such unreasonable, immoral gun bans.
So let us not offend nor turn away our allies, our comrades in this fight. We all may not agree to everything, but so very many of us are most certainly agreeing on one thing. The guns of the free peoples of the United states are not for the Governing body to regulate, limit, register nor take away from the lawful, rightful American citizens.
The second Amendment, like all the others was put there for a reason. "What the sword has won in half a year, the sword must guard for half a century."
I know this post is a bit old, but I indeed agree, people must leave all other oppositions, opinions and political affiliations behind on this issue.
The American people are standing against the slow yet steady attempts to dissolve one of the nation's most important documents, the Constitution.
We should do so not as Democrats or Republicans, not Liberals nor Conservatives, but united, as Americans.
I see so many people of different colours, creeds, ages, sexes, and affiliations, all standing up and speaking out against such unreasonable, immoral gun bans.
So let us not offend nor turn away our allies, our comrades in this fight. We all may not agree to everything, but so very many of us are most certainly agreeing on one thing. The guns of the free peoples of the United states are not for the Governing body to regulate, limit, register nor take away from the lawful, rightful American citizens.
The second Amendment, like all the others was put there for a reason. "What the sword has won in half a year, the sword must guard for half a century."
Heh, we all get off on rants now and again, which is fine. I have been posting about this on various sites for days on end, and I am quite drained. ^^
And since you already know gun bans and such are folly, I shall simply leave with this. There is no gun problem in America, there is a social and economic issue in America.
Though the NY magazine limit and "assault" weapon ban is still a huge load of steaming rotten... Well you know.
At any rate, cheers to you mate. Keep voting and fighting the good fight.
And since you already know gun bans and such are folly, I shall simply leave with this. There is no gun problem in America, there is a social and economic issue in America.
Though the NY magazine limit and "assault" weapon ban is still a huge load of steaming rotten... Well you know.
At any rate, cheers to you mate. Keep voting and fighting the good fight.
Now your state politicians are trying to ban even more...
http://www.redstate.com/briansikma/.....-in-wisconsin/
...insanity!
http://www.redstate.com/briansikma/.....-in-wisconsin/
...insanity!
I have one of these! When I bought it (in Hawaii, oddly enough) it was covered in a tar-like preservative, missing the rod and one of the strap lugs was broken. I had the lug repaired and the whole weapon dismantled, cleaned and inspected by a gunsmith. Once I got his okay, I bought a box of Federal 45-70 (the only manufacturer I could get on he island at the time) and took it out to the Wheeler AFB range. I got five rounds through it before my shoulder said 'screw this'. All I had on was a tshirt and shorts. I still don't have a rod for it.
I try to take it out to the desert once a year, along with all the other shooty-toys, to make water jugs explode.
I try to take it out to the desert once a year, along with all the other shooty-toys, to make water jugs explode.
I consider myself pretty liberal, Ive even been called one in a very rude way before, but I think gun control is ridiculous. Rather then focusing on the tool we need to focus on the real issue, loopholes that allow the nut-jobs and morons to get deadly weapons in the first place.
Taking firearms away from a populace that always had them will never work in a satisfactory manner, the USA is not Japan or England.
Taking firearms away from a populace that always had them will never work in a satisfactory manner, the USA is not Japan or England.
I'm usually very quiet about this issue but I will say this; What this all boils down too as far as gun control is, is Paranoia. The Gun control lobby and the media want paranoia because the more paranoia they can stir up, the easier it is for them to get their agendas passed. What people need to do is educate themselves, The more educated people are, the more difficult it is for the Gun control lobby to pass these useless laws because the educated will see right through their propaganda smokescreen knowledge is power folks, I don't care if its an AR-15 or a simple single shot .22 rifle they are all one thing "A tool". They are not interested in protecting the public. Their real agenda is control over the people and they know that they cannot put their agenda into motion with an armed populace in existence so they use tragedies such as all these awful school shootings to gain support for their bans and once they get rid of one class of weapons, they will come for the rest of them. It's sad but true. Ok I've said enough lol and nice rifle BTW makes me want to drag my M1 grand out :)
Gosh, how can anyone doubt the efficacy of this new War on Guns? considering how well other previous attempts, the War on Booze (Prohibition) and the War of Drugs worked out.
I don't have anything like this, but I do have a 71/84 Mauser - started as a single shot, but was converted to a magazine rifle by the addition of a Winchester-style tube mag under the barrel - way more rounds than your bad boy and even a bayonet lug! Never got around to firing the thing but I'm sure ammo is available for a price. Also an Italian Vetterli-Vitali 71/86, another single-shot converted with a squarish box-mag - not likely to shoot this one as it's missing a few parts (stock fore-end, part of the rear sight) and fires an even odder round. Bayonet lug, too!!
BTW I read someplace that Beretta is about to close out its factory in Maryland and move someplace more gun-friendly - it was getting too weird to be making firearms that the workers couldn't legally own, apparently.
I don't have anything like this, but I do have a 71/84 Mauser - started as a single shot, but was converted to a magazine rifle by the addition of a Winchester-style tube mag under the barrel - way more rounds than your bad boy and even a bayonet lug! Never got around to firing the thing but I'm sure ammo is available for a price. Also an Italian Vetterli-Vitali 71/86, another single-shot converted with a squarish box-mag - not likely to shoot this one as it's missing a few parts (stock fore-end, part of the rear sight) and fires an even odder round. Bayonet lug, too!!
BTW I read someplace that Beretta is about to close out its factory in Maryland and move someplace more gun-friendly - it was getting too weird to be making firearms that the workers couldn't legally own, apparently.
so what? that would mean almost every weapon known to man is a Assault weapon. all weapons even kitchen tools have been used in wars so that means my spoon at that point is an assault weapon. that is why you can't just say "It was used once by the military" that makes it an assault weapon because of my point. and for that is why the Anti-2A movement is idiotic and down right childish.
Thats because you have been blinded and deaf to the claims of the hard core anti 2A crew. There are some that want even black powder weapons banned. Thats single shot types that include replica Civil War Springfields and Enfields, Down to Revolutionary War repro Brown Bess and Pennsylvania long guns. That 'military stigma' gives priority to certain weapons to be banned. The 1994 ban went after military 'cosmetic items' like bayonet lugs (Yeah, when was the last time somebody was taken out in a drive by bayonetting?) Flash hiders, pistol grips, vented hand guards, folding stocks. How did that solve the situation? It didn't. Thats why they are calling for a broader , mass ban and military style guns are #1 on the hit parade. Dianne Feinstein called for the banning of Barrett bolt action and semi auto .50 BMG cause they could be used in a crime or 'Shoot down airliners'. Like anybody has used one of those committing a crime, yet they too are on the list. (Personally I have no need for a big ass rifle that shoots .50 BMG, Far too expensive to own and operate, plus limited number of ranges to use it at.)
If it shoots, it needs to be banned. Theres been even talk on banning crossbows even though nobody used them in a mass killing in hundreds of years. People today forget that a few decent archers can rain devastation on a crowd of people in seconds. Large knives, kitchen blades , clevers don't need reloading and have been used in a mass effect in various locations around the globe. In Japan you actually have to be a documented chef to possess certain knives for food preparation.
Banning weapons is a slippery slope , once it happens to one group of weapons, it leads to another group and another. Already in many states you can't carry a simple pocket knife with a blade larger than 3 inches. And yet people still use them as a weapon. Australia, Britain have banned all sorts of items, France too, Yet that doesn't stop a determined nutcase or Jihadi from using weapons of various types.
There was even talk back after the Boston Marathon bombing to have pressure cookers registered, thankfully that quietly died down.
If it shoots, it needs to be banned. Theres been even talk on banning crossbows even though nobody used them in a mass killing in hundreds of years. People today forget that a few decent archers can rain devastation on a crowd of people in seconds. Large knives, kitchen blades , clevers don't need reloading and have been used in a mass effect in various locations around the globe. In Japan you actually have to be a documented chef to possess certain knives for food preparation.
Banning weapons is a slippery slope , once it happens to one group of weapons, it leads to another group and another. Already in many states you can't carry a simple pocket knife with a blade larger than 3 inches. And yet people still use them as a weapon. Australia, Britain have banned all sorts of items, France too, Yet that doesn't stop a determined nutcase or Jihadi from using weapons of various types.
There was even talk back after the Boston Marathon bombing to have pressure cookers registered, thankfully that quietly died down.
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