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I originally thought of writing a journal about this. But in my mind, I couldn't have done a great job describing anything without proper amount of visual emphasis upon my point I was thinking of bringing up. So alas, I decided to make a comic out of it instead.
Feel free to discuss about the said topic and share thoughts, if you will. And remember: the comic is heavily based on my point of view and opinion.
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Feel free to discuss about the said topic and share thoughts, if you will. And remember: the comic is heavily based on my point of view and opinion.
Art © me
WARNING - VERY HUGE COMIC! DOWNLOAD TO READ IT PROPERLY!!
Category All / Comics
Species Unspecified / Any
Size 1034 x 6800px
File Size 2.14 MB
Well, to my mind, some of the anime actually has better, if not simplified style, anatomy and better movement than most of the western cartoons. Not sure about the rest of the anime, since, really, I rarely watch much of anime at all.
Flash? Only small amount of people actually does good job with making good animations. The rest nowdays just goes for the cheap style of "tweening" things, which is a style I hate. (I prefer me ye' olde frame-by-frame drawing myself.)
Flash? Only small amount of people actually does good job with making good animations. The rest nowdays just goes for the cheap style of "tweening" things, which is a style I hate. (I prefer me ye' olde frame-by-frame drawing myself.)
That's the thing - I don't know much about the cartoons showing up nowdays on US television, since I'm no US resident. Nor do I have TV to watch stuff on the TV, only this laptop and I use it to search my kind of entertaiment on YouTube, DA, FA and anywhere place else.
The reason i haven't said anything else is because i mostly agree with your talking points here and don't have anything to add besides "I concur". Don't take the lack of post-length as a "HUEHUEHUE FAGIT QUIT CRYING BABBY" but as a "I respect your opinion and agree, but I have nothing to add to the conversation."
American cartoons (Disney, Max Fleischer) inspired Anime:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGvGMa2RFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGvGMa2RFg
Well what can be said is that cartoon quality has greatly diminished over the years. Modern shows don't have the charm or magic the 80s and 90s held with their shows, which had a kind of normality to them that was acceptable besides the obvious fiction. However, there are some modern cartoons that get it right, though as we've discussed before they're rarer than finding pirate treasure in your backyard. Some cartoons today really get...quite strange with their facial expressions and rather repulsive attention to detail such as showing us a cartoon character having warts despite all of them looking "smooth" in design.
Disheartening, really. Some of the 80's - 90's cartoons I've seen are also terrifying to my vision, because shit.
As far as I know/remember, Ren & Stimpy, while having their status as one of the culture animations, was terrible with it's "out of place horror". Rocko's Modern Life also goes for this. And some, they are mostly "accidental nightmare fuel".
And even then I wonder how people can literally go for the "hubba hubba hubba" to a scene which, while brings out a specific kink, looks still horrifying and out of place. It's as if innocence dies off immidiately, but twice more with those enthusiasts around showing it. <8[
*shudder*
As far as I know/remember, Ren & Stimpy, while having their status as one of the culture animations, was terrible with it's "out of place horror". Rocko's Modern Life also goes for this. And some, they are mostly "accidental nightmare fuel".
And even then I wonder how people can literally go for the "hubba hubba hubba" to a scene which, while brings out a specific kink, looks still horrifying and out of place. It's as if innocence dies off immidiately, but twice more with those enthusiasts around showing it. <8[
*shudder*
I was asking for your thoughts and reasons to the said thoughts. For me, it just happens to be extremely confusing for someone suddenly showing great interest to a scene that is already out of the place and in the world of the creepy(ish) uncanny valley the whole show is (and I'm talking of any show here that is creepy in style, execution and way how it just is).
I'm with Let on this one...seconded, I can't really say much more in that regard. XD I think what you'll find more often is that the modern stuff is more closely trying to capture the repulsive humor of Ren and Stimpy while acting like they're trying to be family friendly about it. :P
Well, the way I see it, sometimes they make it so that while the adults may understand, the kids may not. Like, for example. in Rocko's Modern Life, one episode had Rocko and Heifer at a cow ranch, and Heifer was sleeping with the cows. A cowboy decides to milk the cows and Heifer himself gets "milked" to the point of collapsing. Kids back then wouldn't get that he was being ejaculated and just find it funny cause of the reactions and the fact he was mistaken for a cow. Many other cartoons like Cow and Chicken, Ren and Stimpy, Courage, and many more have stuff like that. I think a lot of cartoons don't have stuff like that these days is because well, it might be them afraid to take a risk. It could be that the FCC is cracking down and/or the parents are extremely cautious on what happens in cartoons while the kids are watching. There has been some cases that some cartoons have pushed their limit a little too far (Ex. Cow and Chicken with those "carpet eaters" bikers). Though, newer shows like Adventure Time for example seems to take risks, but it seems like you have to look closely to actually get it. I admit myself that I sometimes didn't know what was "crap past the radar" unless I go someplace like TV Tropes.
In terms of cartoons in general...well, to try and be short (well, shorter than my previous attempts), while they are not as great as the 80s/90s, I don't think it's as bad as many people imply. They're slowly getting better though. I guess it pretty much boils down to preferences (what types of show people like) and who is involved. A lot of shows that are praised today are usually by people who have been in the business for quite a long time. That, and well, you have to consider not every cartoon made is usually made for kids in general and we're not always their target demographic.
When it comes to Flash animation, I guess it's because the economy today is pretty bad and frame by frame animation costs a lot. So if a show were to bomb and it's done with "FbF" animation, it could be a pretty big dent profit wise. Seems like they'll usually take a risk if the show is action pack and it needs a really smooth frame rate like Avatar/Korra. Although I have heard that they sometimes get studios outside of the country to handle the animation. And personally, I don't think MLP's animation isn't as great as many imply. It's good, but mostly due to the style and how it's easily tweenable. Even so, that show still suffers from mistakes (My Little Bloopers show that). Even if the animation isn't that good, it doesn't always mean it's a bad cartoon. Look at Home Movies for example, especially Season 1.
...But yeah. I'll stop here. That's just the way I view it. Of course, it could be me being really open minded about various things. Maybe. XP
In terms of cartoons in general...well, to try and be short (well, shorter than my previous attempts), while they are not as great as the 80s/90s, I don't think it's as bad as many people imply. They're slowly getting better though. I guess it pretty much boils down to preferences (what types of show people like) and who is involved. A lot of shows that are praised today are usually by people who have been in the business for quite a long time. That, and well, you have to consider not every cartoon made is usually made for kids in general and we're not always their target demographic.
When it comes to Flash animation, I guess it's because the economy today is pretty bad and frame by frame animation costs a lot. So if a show were to bomb and it's done with "FbF" animation, it could be a pretty big dent profit wise. Seems like they'll usually take a risk if the show is action pack and it needs a really smooth frame rate like Avatar/Korra. Although I have heard that they sometimes get studios outside of the country to handle the animation. And personally, I don't think MLP's animation isn't as great as many imply. It's good, but mostly due to the style and how it's easily tweenable. Even so, that show still suffers from mistakes (My Little Bloopers show that). Even if the animation isn't that good, it doesn't always mean it's a bad cartoon. Look at Home Movies for example, especially Season 1.
...But yeah. I'll stop here. That's just the way I view it. Of course, it could be me being really open minded about various things. Maybe. XP
Wow. I can say that there is a certain kind of cartoons for which this brave piece rings true - Adventure Time, Family Guy, American Dad, all those cartoons that have nothing 'cartoony' about them, just existing for the sake of being a wiseass. I hate that. I love cartoons with memorable characters and worlds, they bring out the beauty and joy in life. Granted, the quality varies as cartoons are many, but if this is your overall impression of cartoons in general, I couldn't disagree more.
...I dunno how to go about this.
Not planning to defend ALL cartoons, but not going to condemn ALL of them either.
P.S. Acid trip cartoons are FAR older than you think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6SS2_oV45A
Not planning to defend ALL cartoons, but not going to condemn ALL of them either.
P.S. Acid trip cartoons are FAR older than you think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6SS2_oV45A
I'm not good at this ^,,^;
I think what I'm going to try to say (hopefully say) is that our standards are something that we form at an early age, sometimes as we age our views change. It used to be tollerant enough that I could stand some of the wierder cartoons like Ren & Stimpy but have deviated from that to try and watch something intelligent like Futurama (while still a bit wierd at times, it can be attributed to sci-fi). Now we have things on TV that feel like they caught on because newgrounds was down for 10 minutes. I've tried to watch Adventure Time but was completely repulsed by it, it seems like the only structure it had was the time slot it was in.
Sorta to poke at the deformation thing, it almost feels like it's a thing that is being thrown into your face when you don't really want it. It's probably something that you're more comfortable creating or finding when you want to, when you're prepared for it. It could also be the media itself, maybe it's disheartening because it's animating instead of just being static? Maybe there needs to be some good reason for the deformation? (Something other than an airpump.)
As for the acid trip thing, I don't really get a lot of them either.
^,,^; Did I do good?
I think what I'm going to try to say (hopefully say) is that our standards are something that we form at an early age, sometimes as we age our views change. It used to be tollerant enough that I could stand some of the wierder cartoons like Ren & Stimpy but have deviated from that to try and watch something intelligent like Futurama (while still a bit wierd at times, it can be attributed to sci-fi). Now we have things on TV that feel like they caught on because newgrounds was down for 10 minutes. I've tried to watch Adventure Time but was completely repulsed by it, it seems like the only structure it had was the time slot it was in.
Sorta to poke at the deformation thing, it almost feels like it's a thing that is being thrown into your face when you don't really want it. It's probably something that you're more comfortable creating or finding when you want to, when you're prepared for it. It could also be the media itself, maybe it's disheartening because it's animating instead of just being static? Maybe there needs to be some good reason for the deformation? (Something other than an airpump.)
As for the acid trip thing, I don't really get a lot of them either.
^,,^; Did I do good?
I get what you mean, some cartoon imagery is to me personally repulsive, its one reason I could never stomach stuff like "Cow and Chicken" and why some modern cartoons like "Regular Show" and "Gumball" not to mention a dozen other things on Cartoon Network/Nickelodeon/Disney Channel are completely repulsive on their art styles alone.
I have not had a problem with the Anime I watch but one particular reason I will probably never watch One Piece or Soul Eater is because the art style is so damn unusual. Which is weird because I enjoy Invader Zim.
Though this is really a case of Your Milage May Vary. One person is going to be disturbed by one form of media and another is going to consider it a form of art.
I have not had a problem with the Anime I watch but one particular reason I will probably never watch One Piece or Soul Eater is because the art style is so damn unusual. Which is weird because I enjoy Invader Zim.
Though this is really a case of Your Milage May Vary. One person is going to be disturbed by one form of media and another is going to consider it a form of art.
Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics theorizes that cartoons have an universal appeal due to the less detailed approach allowing for reader identification (since the readers fill in the details in their minds, even if the details are their own). I read that one theory about the uncanny valley is that the user identifies with a morbid situation. If both theories are true...
...at least in my case, when I see "uncanny valley" things, I get a weird feeling that they can replace me, that is, me the human. (Then again, this comes from someone, a stickler for order and met expectations, actually kinda wishes that the uncanny valley effect does not apply to him!)
If all of the above is true, then this explain why children like this: they lack the life experience to actually take the full implications of a cartoon or even compare this to real life. They may even consider that the cartoons ARE a part of real life, but simply different.
(Going by this, those older people who like cartoons have sufficiently dissociated themselves from the people in the cartoons for the uncanny valley to affect them, though their dissociation is not sufficiently strong to trigger apathy/dislike towards cartoons in general.)
...at least in my case, when I see "uncanny valley" things, I get a weird feeling that they can replace me, that is, me the human. (Then again, this comes from someone, a stickler for order and met expectations, actually kinda wishes that the uncanny valley effect does not apply to him!)
If all of the above is true, then this explain why children like this: they lack the life experience to actually take the full implications of a cartoon or even compare this to real life. They may even consider that the cartoons ARE a part of real life, but simply different.
(Going by this, those older people who like cartoons have sufficiently dissociated themselves from the people in the cartoons for the uncanny valley to affect them, though their dissociation is not sufficiently strong to trigger apathy/dislike towards cartoons in general.)
I guess it depends on when you grew up and what you were exposed to. I watched a tonne of Thomas the Tank Engine as a kid and don't find him scary, even though he is an uncanny valley character; his mouth doesn't move at all.
Newer cartoons tend to be a tonne of colour to babysit kids. That being said a lot of stuff from the 80's and 90's was pretty shallow; there was a tonne of commercialized stuff and I'm willing to be they were made for artistic merits
as for anime, which are cartoons (I don't see them much as art, except for some cases like Ghibli and Angel's Egg) are kind of uncanny valley for me, just how static the characters are are and just how samey they look (all whitewashed) and honestly, they're pretty darn boring.
Newer cartoons tend to be a tonne of colour to babysit kids. That being said a lot of stuff from the 80's and 90's was pretty shallow; there was a tonne of commercialized stuff and I'm willing to be they were made for artistic merits
as for anime, which are cartoons (I don't see them much as art, except for some cases like Ghibli and Angel's Egg) are kind of uncanny valley for me, just how static the characters are are and just how samey they look (all whitewashed) and honestly, they're pretty darn boring.
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