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Ophelia is a silver whitemark, taxidermy piece I did last year???
either or, shes turned into one of my characters that I've yet to draw but shes on the list for sure to get done.
I haven't unloaded a close picture of her of just getting everything situated in the new area as well as waiting for spring/summer for more of the grass to grow in and such to make it a pretty land scape.
I tried finding a place to make her more even but that just wasn't the case the ground would have with it being very rigdy and bumpy under all that what looks like smooth grass haha.
I get many people that do come into the home asking me if its like a dog or something, ah well.
this fox was a US ranch female fox
this fox is taxidermied
if you dont agree with either or be civil please.
either or, shes turned into one of my characters that I've yet to draw but shes on the list for sure to get done.
I haven't unloaded a close picture of her of just getting everything situated in the new area as well as waiting for spring/summer for more of the grass to grow in and such to make it a pretty land scape.
I tried finding a place to make her more even but that just wasn't the case the ground would have with it being very rigdy and bumpy under all that what looks like smooth grass haha.
I get many people that do come into the home asking me if its like a dog or something, ah well.
this fox was a US ranch female fox
this fox is taxidermied
if you dont agree with either or be civil please.
Category Photography / Animal related (non-anthro)
Species Vulpine (Other)
Size 1280 x 960px
File Size 337.7 kB
If you bought the dead fox from a fur farm, that's adding demand to the system and causing foxes to be killed. It would essentially be the same as killing the fox yourself.
If you acquired it in a way that didn't add demand, then disregard. Dead foxes don't care what you do to them, and it's only immoral if you were responsible for the death.
If you acquired it in a way that didn't add demand, then disregard. Dead foxes don't care what you do to them, and it's only immoral if you were responsible for the death.
We agree to disagree.
But I have no problems with the furring system, in fact I wish to start my own fur farm one day that I feel I am secure enough in my job and life to be able to move out of the country and provide for several foxes and kits.
I don't have any problem, I would gladly go out hunting as well for my own deer, I would gladly eat the beef that our family raises from calves to steers and heifers.
I don't find anything immoral that pertains to using something dead and creating it into something more than a fur collar or jacket and while using their bones.
I asked all my fur breeders that I buy from if I can keep my own foxes skulls and any others people didn't want while they give the rest to corporations that would use the bodies and fat of the animal.
But I have no problems with the furring system, in fact I wish to start my own fur farm one day that I feel I am secure enough in my job and life to be able to move out of the country and provide for several foxes and kits.
I don't have any problem, I would gladly go out hunting as well for my own deer, I would gladly eat the beef that our family raises from calves to steers and heifers.
I don't find anything immoral that pertains to using something dead and creating it into something more than a fur collar or jacket and while using their bones.
I asked all my fur breeders that I buy from if I can keep my own foxes skulls and any others people didn't want while they give the rest to corporations that would use the bodies and fat of the animal.
There's nothing immoral about using something that is dead. But there is something immoral in taking something that is alive and sentient, that can feel happy or sad, pain and pleasure and affection (and indeed experiences in much the same way as you do) and ending its life so that you can look at its skin. To do so implicitly states that the enjoyment you get from its dead body is more important than its entire existence and any pleasure it would have experienced in the remained of its life. That seems to me a profoundly selfish act. And one where you gain much less than the other loses.
I expect that you would find the idea of someone killing you or your loved ones/family members to make a lamp shade quite inequitable. If so, what is the major difference that makes it okay in the case of a fox and wrong in the case of your mother/father/brother/sister/mate?
I expect that you would find the idea of someone killing you or your loved ones/family members to make a lamp shade quite inequitable. If so, what is the major difference that makes it okay in the case of a fox and wrong in the case of your mother/father/brother/sister/mate?
So what your telling me is that its wrong to kill a fox because of its coat for when It will be used just as much as a cow is but in a different sense. But are you telling me is it ok to not eat a cow? because a cow can feel all those and we still eat them with no problem.
cattle are skinned to provide leather for people too yet no one seems to complain about a leather couch or shoes or belt buckles that is worn.
people only seem to complain about the furry critters of having been through these discussions for nearly 5 years now.
That isn't the same concept, animals arn't the same family as humans so there isn't that bond. I'm not a furry so there isn't that feeling of ' killing my brotheren' even if i do really love alive foxes still, I do enjoy watching them but I don't have a problem about mounting them up either.
another is these animals are wild to me, I have no feelings towards them, they arn't like a cat or dog( which I have 2 dogs ( on at the apt. one at parents home) 4 cats, ( one at the apt, 3 at parents home, a guinea pig and shared with my aunt several cattle, goat's a donkey and a couple of horses)
But in a sense that is one way to look at it, im going to school as my main job focus to be a mortician, it will be almost the same concept as taxidermy if you think about it. I'm still preserving the body for the family to say goodbye to their loved ones, It isn't for a long process as taxidermy, Or im not actually skinning them, but its still presenting them for atleast a little while.
cattle are skinned to provide leather for people too yet no one seems to complain about a leather couch or shoes or belt buckles that is worn.
people only seem to complain about the furry critters of having been through these discussions for nearly 5 years now.
That isn't the same concept, animals arn't the same family as humans so there isn't that bond. I'm not a furry so there isn't that feeling of ' killing my brotheren' even if i do really love alive foxes still, I do enjoy watching them but I don't have a problem about mounting them up either.
another is these animals are wild to me, I have no feelings towards them, they arn't like a cat or dog( which I have 2 dogs ( on at the apt. one at parents home) 4 cats, ( one at the apt, 3 at parents home, a guinea pig and shared with my aunt several cattle, goat's a donkey and a couple of horses)
But in a sense that is one way to look at it, im going to school as my main job focus to be a mortician, it will be almost the same concept as taxidermy if you think about it. I'm still preserving the body for the family to say goodbye to their loved ones, It isn't for a long process as taxidermy, Or im not actually skinning them, but its still presenting them for atleast a little while.
So what your telling me is that its wrong to kill a fox because of its coat for when It will be used just as much as a cow is but in a different sense. But are you telling me is it ok to not eat a cow?
Be honest, is there a correct answer to this question? It seems to me that if I say "It's different with a cow, I eat meat" then I am a hypocrite and if I say "Cows share the same morally relevant attributes with humans and foxes, so both things are immoral" then I am an extremist. I will answer after you reply to that.
It does seem like there is a substantial difference between killing something out of necessity and simply because you like having the thing's dead body around. It's kind of like the difference between murder and self-defense: In the case of self defense, it's your life or theirs. In the case of murder, you kill them because you want to or because you want something they possess.
That isn't the same concept, animals arn't the same family as humans so there isn't that bond.
Whether you "feel" a bond is pretty much arbitrary and based on emotion. It's not a justification. If you didn't feel a bond toward black people, that wouldn't make killing them acceptable as an example. I think it makes a lot more sense to construct a consistent ethical framework and then apply it consistently regardless of arbitrary emotional response. Do you disagree?
I'm not a furry so there isn't that feeling of ' killing my brotheren'
I would not have used that argument. It's an appeal to emotion, or in the case of some sort of spiritual belief it would be essentially be saying "Don't do that because magic."
I have no feelings towards them, they arn't like a cat or dog
How are they not similar to a dog? They're mammals, they seem to feel emotion and physical sensation are able to be affectionate and form bonds. What attributes does a dog possess that a fox doesn't which makes their lives trivial enough to end for personal gratification that would not apply to the dog?
But in a sense that is one way to look at it, im going to school as my main job focus to be a mortician, it will be almost the same concept as taxidermy if you think about it.
When you're a mortician, you aren't going to be going out there killing people or paying others to kill. As I said previously, I think there's nothing wrong with taxidermy in and of itself. I take issue to causing death. If you find a dead fox at the edge of the road, go for it. Killing a fox/dog/gorilla/human so you can mount is another a thing entirely.
Be honest, is there a correct answer to this question? It seems to me that if I say "It's different with a cow, I eat meat" then I am a hypocrite and if I say "Cows share the same morally relevant attributes with humans and foxes, so both things are immoral" then I am an extremist. I will answer after you reply to that.
It does seem like there is a substantial difference between killing something out of necessity and simply because you like having the thing's dead body around. It's kind of like the difference between murder and self-defense: In the case of self defense, it's your life or theirs. In the case of murder, you kill them because you want to or because you want something they possess.
That isn't the same concept, animals arn't the same family as humans so there isn't that bond.
Whether you "feel" a bond is pretty much arbitrary and based on emotion. It's not a justification. If you didn't feel a bond toward black people, that wouldn't make killing them acceptable as an example. I think it makes a lot more sense to construct a consistent ethical framework and then apply it consistently regardless of arbitrary emotional response. Do you disagree?
I'm not a furry so there isn't that feeling of ' killing my brotheren'
I would not have used that argument. It's an appeal to emotion, or in the case of some sort of spiritual belief it would be essentially be saying "Don't do that because magic."
I have no feelings towards them, they arn't like a cat or dog
How are they not similar to a dog? They're mammals, they seem to feel emotion and physical sensation are able to be affectionate and form bonds. What attributes does a dog possess that a fox doesn't which makes their lives trivial enough to end for personal gratification that would not apply to the dog?
But in a sense that is one way to look at it, im going to school as my main job focus to be a mortician, it will be almost the same concept as taxidermy if you think about it.
When you're a mortician, you aren't going to be going out there killing people or paying others to kill. As I said previously, I think there's nothing wrong with taxidermy in and of itself. I take issue to causing death. If you find a dead fox at the edge of the road, go for it. Killing a fox/dog/gorilla/human so you can mount is another a thing entirely.
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