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Why are you crying at me about it? Don't you have something better to do with your life? Can you think of one thing (try, I bet you can) more productive and helpful to the cause of suicide prevention then sitting here, crying about a submission on a furry art website for days? I'll have you know I do/have done PLENTY of volunteer work. I was even at the It Gets Better booth at an LGBT event and represented them at another event at a local drag queen show. If people get worked up about a site mascot depicted hanging themselves, then I'm sorry, they are being overly sensitive. Go volunteer, give tips on resilience, train in and join a support group, donate to suicide prevention organizations, and encourage others to do the same. I have done all of the things I mentioned previously. Don't whine about a simple picture on a website. It's not productive at all and it changes NOTHING in the big scheme of things.
I have had a HISTORY of suicides in my family, One I even walked in on and helped his mother cut his body down from the rafters in the garage where he hung himself. She was using a kitchen knife so I grabbed my shark-knife and sliced the rope. It was terrible and we helped her through it. We are stronger because we had our support group and were not touchy about it for long. We moved on. I also had a history of suicidal thoughts brought on by bullying due to my open sexuality, which by the way, I grew a thicker skin afterwards and dealt with my shit positively. One of my best friends was on the phone with a suicide hotline with police outside his house, because he had a gun to his head, and I talked him down when nobody else, not even his parents, could. I went through elementary school, middle school, and some of high school alone, depressed, and angry. I had next to no friends until mid-sophomore year.
So don't come here acting like you know me. I honestly don't give a flying fuck what little group on an art website you represent. I've lived it, I continue to live it, and I deal with it.
I have had a HISTORY of suicides in my family, One I even walked in on and helped his mother cut his body down from the rafters in the garage where he hung himself. She was using a kitchen knife so I grabbed my shark-knife and sliced the rope. It was terrible and we helped her through it. We are stronger because we had our support group and were not touchy about it for long. We moved on. I also had a history of suicidal thoughts brought on by bullying due to my open sexuality, which by the way, I grew a thicker skin afterwards and dealt with my shit positively. One of my best friends was on the phone with a suicide hotline with police outside his house, because he had a gun to his head, and I talked him down when nobody else, not even his parents, could. I went through elementary school, middle school, and some of high school alone, depressed, and angry. I had next to no friends until mid-sophomore year.
So don't come here acting like you know me. I honestly don't give a flying fuck what little group on an art website you represent. I've lived it, I continue to live it, and I deal with it.
You pretty much flat-out called me a moron, albeit passively aggressively turning the word I used against me (in perhaps rather poor taste) in your first reply to me. That's a pretty pushy and ineffective way to change someone's opinion. So I just disarmed Your following statements:
"I never stated anything to the negative about your ability or knowledge of the subject." (You called me a moron)
"I never said you did nothing, never said you knew nothing." (You called me a moron)
"Nobody asked you to care about me or what I do, at any point." (How could I not? You have responded to so many other commenters on this submission, it's like you're shoving it down everyone's throat.)
I also never said that I didn't understand, I said it shocked me how stupid some people are.
You have said your piece...like kind of a lot. Stop yourself. You are not being anyone's voice right now, you are just being obnoxious and whiny. Rather then spending several days and commenting a whopping, 17 times on a picture you don't like, why not go find something you DO like and stare at that. I honestly can't stand people who act like commenting on a picture will change anyone's mind.
I don't require your validation, congratulations, sympathy, patronizing, pity, etc. I do however require you to stop acting like you are accomplishing something here...yaknow...cause you're not.
I am calm by the way. Very calm. I would however, like to speak for everyone who you have been constantly hammering your opinions on for the last 4 days, by saying: Please, drop it. Please, move on. Please, for the love of god, go do something else, preferably something productive.
Thank you on behalf of myself, and the other 2-3 people who most likely agree with this statement.
"I never stated anything to the negative about your ability or knowledge of the subject." (You called me a moron)
"I never said you did nothing, never said you knew nothing." (You called me a moron)
"Nobody asked you to care about me or what I do, at any point." (How could I not? You have responded to so many other commenters on this submission, it's like you're shoving it down everyone's throat.)
I also never said that I didn't understand, I said it shocked me how stupid some people are.
You have said your piece...like kind of a lot. Stop yourself. You are not being anyone's voice right now, you are just being obnoxious and whiny. Rather then spending several days and commenting a whopping, 17 times on a picture you don't like, why not go find something you DO like and stare at that. I honestly can't stand people who act like commenting on a picture will change anyone's mind.
I don't require your validation, congratulations, sympathy, patronizing, pity, etc. I do however require you to stop acting like you are accomplishing something here...yaknow...cause you're not.
I am calm by the way. Very calm. I would however, like to speak for everyone who you have been constantly hammering your opinions on for the last 4 days, by saying: Please, drop it. Please, move on. Please, for the love of god, go do something else, preferably something productive.
Thank you on behalf of myself, and the other 2-3 people who most likely agree with this statement.
No, I said if you didn't realize suicide was serious you were a moron.
I asked people to care that suicide was not a joke. I never said anything about caring about me
It is not stupid to think that suicide is a serious subject. Nor are people who think so stupid for it.
Removing ignorance is a good way to dispell ignorant beliefs. I am not whining, do you know the difference between speaking and whining? Because I am doing the former.
You do not need to require congratulations or sympathy to have it given to you. I am not patronizing you. I am not acting like I am accomplishing anything, I am just speaking.
If you would pay more attention to what you read these misunderstandings wouldn't happen.
Do not make any further false assumptions about me and I shant feel the need to respond to them.
I asked people to care that suicide was not a joke. I never said anything about caring about me
It is not stupid to think that suicide is a serious subject. Nor are people who think so stupid for it.
Removing ignorance is a good way to dispell ignorant beliefs. I am not whining, do you know the difference between speaking and whining? Because I am doing the former.
You do not need to require congratulations or sympathy to have it given to you. I am not patronizing you. I am not acting like I am accomplishing anything, I am just speaking.
If you would pay more attention to what you read these misunderstandings wouldn't happen.
Do not make any further false assumptions about me and I shant feel the need to respond to them.
I misunderstand nothing. And who the fuck do you think you are?
You come in here from a place of know. You come in saying I don't pay attention. You come here, speaking, KNOWING you are not accomplishing anything.
Due to those things, which by the way, are pretty clear to anyone with eyes, you have NO RIGHT to call anyone ignorant.
Let me tell you something. You can't fucking change people. People are creatures of habit. You can sway them in the right direction, you can point and say: "look there!" but you really can't change them.
You have shown that you are nothing but passive aggressive and use loaded words and guilt to win arguments. Please, get over yourself.
You come in here from a place of know. You come in saying I don't pay attention. You come here, speaking, KNOWING you are not accomplishing anything.
Due to those things, which by the way, are pretty clear to anyone with eyes, you have NO RIGHT to call anyone ignorant.
Let me tell you something. You can't fucking change people. People are creatures of habit. You can sway them in the right direction, you can point and say: "look there!" but you really can't change them.
You have shown that you are nothing but passive aggressive and use loaded words and guilt to win arguments. Please, get over yourself.
Yes, you have. You stated that I called you a moron. This is not true, hence it is a misunderstanding.
I think I am me.
What is a place of know? (Knowledge? If so, is there a better place to come from than one of knowledge?) You proved that you do not pay attention by the many mistakes you have made about what I have said. If not for lack of attention, it could only be indifference, and I did not want to assume you were simply -chosing- to ignore what I was saying, or misread into it on purpose. Am I wrong in this?
I'm not trying to change people, I even told someone else that there is no point in telling people information with the intent to change them- on this very page. All I have been doing is saying "look there, this is a different way to look at this". From the beginning, I have simply stated facts.
What is loaded about my words? What guilt am I using? I am not trying to "win" anything, this is not a contest. Nor am I being passive-aggressive. Just passive. I am calmly stating facts. If you take that as an aggressive action then don't know what to tell you. There is nothing to "get over", I am not "on" myself.
Seriously, there is no need for hostility just because you've decided I am wrong, or am doing things in a different way than you would. Besides, I am not talking to -anyone- but you right now. Bear in mind, you are continuing this conversation by misrepresenting me and making false assumptions about me. I am just responding to you.
If this is about having the last word, you can have it. I am only trying to be sure I am not misrepresented.
I think I am me.
What is a place of know? (Knowledge? If so, is there a better place to come from than one of knowledge?) You proved that you do not pay attention by the many mistakes you have made about what I have said. If not for lack of attention, it could only be indifference, and I did not want to assume you were simply -chosing- to ignore what I was saying, or misread into it on purpose. Am I wrong in this?
I'm not trying to change people, I even told someone else that there is no point in telling people information with the intent to change them- on this very page. All I have been doing is saying "look there, this is a different way to look at this". From the beginning, I have simply stated facts.
What is loaded about my words? What guilt am I using? I am not trying to "win" anything, this is not a contest. Nor am I being passive-aggressive. Just passive. I am calmly stating facts. If you take that as an aggressive action then don't know what to tell you. There is nothing to "get over", I am not "on" myself.
Seriously, there is no need for hostility just because you've decided I am wrong, or am doing things in a different way than you would. Besides, I am not talking to -anyone- but you right now. Bear in mind, you are continuing this conversation by misrepresenting me and making false assumptions about me. I am just responding to you.
If this is about having the last word, you can have it. I am only trying to be sure I am not misrepresented.
Might I suggest that you take a chill pill and stop being condescending? Since you're here, I have a wide variety of music for you to relax and loosen your apparently overworked brain, since you are so not aggressive and so intellectual.
http://youtu.be/smqNtBXN5Mc
http://youtu.be/-F2e9fmYL7Y
http://youtu.be/jq3-wZs64n4
Have fun with that.
http://youtu.be/smqNtBXN5Mc
http://youtu.be/-F2e9fmYL7Y
http://youtu.be/jq3-wZs64n4
Have fun with that.
**Any further typos shall just have to remain... I am done reposting ><!**
We seem to have had a misunderstanding, let me clear it up.
I'm not crying. I am simply responding to your comment.
I do something about it almost every day. Yes, actually, I have thought of something. I created and moderate this support group-->
I never stated anything about your ability or knowledge of the subject. You acted as if you could not possibly understand what people were going on about. So I explained it to you. Simple as that.
It is not for you to judge what is "overly" sensitive for somebody else, only for yourself, especially on an issue such as this. I do those things- through my support group, daily. I am not using empty words here, I know what I am talking about and I walk the walk.
I never said you did nothing, never said you knew nothing. I simply responded to -your- assertion that you didn't understand others' feelings on the matter.
I am terribly sorry for all that you have gone through. No one should have to deal with any of that, and I congratulate you that you've gotten through it, and on your personal strength. I also applaud your actions in the name of helping others. Genuinely. But, not everyone has a safety net, or is able to get through their problems and come out with a thicker skin. It is for those people that I spoke up. The ones who are in the midst of their problems, for whom an image like this might be all it takes to push them over the edge. That is all. I am not crying, whining, bitching or otherwise. I'm just speaking on behalf of people who might be hurt by this. And trying to explain why, to people who might not understand why it is a bigger deal than they realize.
I didn't act like I knew you, I just responded to what you said. If you misrepresented yourself in comments, who am I to know differently? I don't know what you mean about the "little group", exactly, I haven't "represented" anything until this message, when you essentially accused me of being all talk and no substance. Nobody asked you to care about me or what I do, at any point and I still am not asking that.
Congratulations on your strength, truly. I have lived it as well, continue to do so, actually, and so I know how hard it can be, and how hard it must have been for you to come out of it with such strength.
We seem to have had a misunderstanding, let me clear it up.
I'm not crying. I am simply responding to your comment.
I do something about it almost every day. Yes, actually, I have thought of something. I created and moderate this support group-->
I never stated anything about your ability or knowledge of the subject. You acted as if you could not possibly understand what people were going on about. So I explained it to you. Simple as that.
It is not for you to judge what is "overly" sensitive for somebody else, only for yourself, especially on an issue such as this. I do those things- through my support group, daily. I am not using empty words here, I know what I am talking about and I walk the walk.
I never said you did nothing, never said you knew nothing. I simply responded to -your- assertion that you didn't understand others' feelings on the matter.
I am terribly sorry for all that you have gone through. No one should have to deal with any of that, and I congratulate you that you've gotten through it, and on your personal strength. I also applaud your actions in the name of helping others. Genuinely. But, not everyone has a safety net, or is able to get through their problems and come out with a thicker skin. It is for those people that I spoke up. The ones who are in the midst of their problems, for whom an image like this might be all it takes to push them over the edge. That is all. I am not crying, whining, bitching or otherwise. I'm just speaking on behalf of people who might be hurt by this. And trying to explain why, to people who might not understand why it is a bigger deal than they realize.
I didn't act like I knew you, I just responded to what you said. If you misrepresented yourself in comments, who am I to know differently? I don't know what you mean about the "little group", exactly, I haven't "represented" anything until this message, when you essentially accused me of being all talk and no substance. Nobody asked you to care about me or what I do, at any point and I still am not asking that.
Congratulations on your strength, truly. I have lived it as well, continue to do so, actually, and so I know how hard it can be, and how hard it must have been for you to come out of it with such strength.
The admins were the intended target, but I'd imagine causing general unrest wasn't too far off his expectations either.
Get over your fursecution complex, please, you're doing no one a bit of good. Just ignore people who don't like furry. Neither they, nor their opinions, are important enough to give a damn about.
Get over your fursecution complex, please, you're doing no one a bit of good. Just ignore people who don't like furry. Neither they, nor their opinions, are important enough to give a damn about.
Oh I know how to deal with haters, but I prefer to unite, not divide. I mean, trolls, strangers, people who don't matter in the least that hate me for being a furry: screw 'em! But loved ones, friends, people who are important to me in some way, I want them to at least be tolerant.
And why WOULD you wanna shock the admins? Out of anger? Spite? or just for laughs?
And why WOULD you wanna shock the admins? Out of anger? Spite? or just for laughs?
This. You're putting suicide in a situation where it isn't intended to be taken as a serious problem.
And if you ARE intending for this to be taken seriously, then what purpose could this possibly have? As a banner, it makes no sense. As a statement against suicide it makes no sense. As a statement in favor of suicide it is deplorable.
So what exactly was your intent?
And if you ARE intending for this to be taken seriously, then what purpose could this possibly have? As a banner, it makes no sense. As a statement against suicide it makes no sense. As a statement in favor of suicide it is deplorable.
So what exactly was your intent?
The staff could give half a shit if you murder the mascot. They see it a lot, I am sure.
I deal with suicidal issues personally.
Barring that, I run a group dedicated to preventing suicide.
No one with a brain and a conscience who thought about this for more than a minute would find it funny.
You know, you use the same argument people on youtube seem to levy at me from time to time. Safety in numbers is it? I am not a shark, you are not a fish and you do not need the school to protect yourself from me, these are just words. Besides, consensus truly means nothing, people are sheep and tend to follow the trend, because it's safer that way. If the first five people who commented expressed disgust, that would be the norm and you would be decried. Because they werent- and the couple who did were judged- everyone else followed suit. It takes people with enough self confidence and conviction in their opinions to stand against the herd and state them. That is the type of person this fandom does not have a lot of. They are more worried about being 'liked'.
I am not, so I can be honest. There is nothing funny about suicide. Ignoring the simple truth of that statement, I will look at if from the science of comedy stand point:
With suicide there is no play frame, (which is what allows some serious things to be funny) because it is a serious event. Sure, this might be about the mascot committing suicide, and that allows for some nonserious confusion, but only a depraved person would fail to at least notice the seriousness of the topic so deeply that they could actually laugh. There is not the required amount of incongruity either. Hence, a serious subject matter, done in a serious light- you are getting shock laughter. Nervous laughter. Combined with the current trend of putting natural impulses of humanity on the shelf in favor of seeming edgy. That is one of the problems with internet interaction, it's making people become soulless.
I like my soul. I'm not giving it up for anyone, if that means I'm not edgy- so be it. I will lose no sleep and suffer no guilt because of that.
I deal with suicidal issues personally.
Barring that, I run a group dedicated to preventing suicide.
No one with a brain and a conscience who thought about this for more than a minute would find it funny.
You know, you use the same argument people on youtube seem to levy at me from time to time. Safety in numbers is it? I am not a shark, you are not a fish and you do not need the school to protect yourself from me, these are just words. Besides, consensus truly means nothing, people are sheep and tend to follow the trend, because it's safer that way. If the first five people who commented expressed disgust, that would be the norm and you would be decried. Because they werent- and the couple who did were judged- everyone else followed suit. It takes people with enough self confidence and conviction in their opinions to stand against the herd and state them. That is the type of person this fandom does not have a lot of. They are more worried about being 'liked'.
I am not, so I can be honest. There is nothing funny about suicide. Ignoring the simple truth of that statement, I will look at if from the science of comedy stand point:
With suicide there is no play frame, (which is what allows some serious things to be funny) because it is a serious event. Sure, this might be about the mascot committing suicide, and that allows for some nonserious confusion, but only a depraved person would fail to at least notice the seriousness of the topic so deeply that they could actually laugh. There is not the required amount of incongruity either. Hence, a serious subject matter, done in a serious light- you are getting shock laughter. Nervous laughter. Combined with the current trend of putting natural impulses of humanity on the shelf in favor of seeming edgy. That is one of the problems with internet interaction, it's making people become soulless.
I like my soul. I'm not giving it up for anyone, if that means I'm not edgy- so be it. I will lose no sleep and suffer no guilt because of that.
Christ, I never said I wanted people to kill themselves or anything.
IT IS a serious issue, and I'm fully aware of that. I'm not trying to imply that it isn't. Only a complete idiot would do that. But there's a big difference between making a joke about something and saying HEY I'M TOTALLY OKAY WITH THIS, DO THIS.
And don't even start with "science of comedy" bullshit. What you're pretty much saying is that THIS ISN'T FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING SERIOUS. I'm not trying to seem edgy, I was trying to make a fairly harmless joke (although yes, it's about a dark topic. NO SHIT). Once again, I'm sorry if I've offended you or anything, that honestly wasn't my intent. The intent was to mock the site, not advocate suicide. And until you showed up, I think people understood that.
IT IS a serious issue, and I'm fully aware of that. I'm not trying to imply that it isn't. Only a complete idiot would do that. But there's a big difference between making a joke about something and saying HEY I'M TOTALLY OKAY WITH THIS, DO THIS.
And don't even start with "science of comedy" bullshit. What you're pretty much saying is that THIS ISN'T FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING SERIOUS. I'm not trying to seem edgy, I was trying to make a fairly harmless joke (although yes, it's about a dark topic. NO SHIT). Once again, I'm sorry if I've offended you or anything, that honestly wasn't my intent. The intent was to mock the site, not advocate suicide. And until you showed up, I think people understood that.
That's why I think this is more of a matter of opinion. I don't feel like making jokes about something necessarily lessens the seriousness, if anything I find it makes this kind of situation easier to deal with and understand. I know people will probably have differing views, and I totally get that. I was completely prepared for a lot of comments like yours when I uploaded this. Honestly, it was just meant to be a cheap laugh at the website's expense. Nobody's getting hurt.
If you had put it in a non-serious context, it would be funny. Serious subject + serious context = not funny. Serious subject + nonserious/ironicv etc context = funny.
I didn't just come up with this on my own, people who study the psychology of comedy did. If you've got a problem with that, take it up with them.
I didn't just come up with this on my own, people who study the psychology of comedy did. If you've got a problem with that, take it up with them.
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