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Having just laid my '08 Ninja 250 down, while they may be fine in a parking lot accident, frame sliders aren't going to protect you if you go down moving. Mine munched my left fairing up pretty good. The shop it's at now, one of the better trusted local shops, said they've never seen a bike laid down moving (other than a race bike where the frame sliders are ENORMOUS) where the frame sliders have helped more than hurt.
The mount for my frame sliders replaced the forward engine mount bolt with a longer, double-ended bolt. That bolt is now bent, and I have to replace it! If you want to protect the frame/drivetrain, just don't take the fairings off; one of their functions is to take that damage and thus save the frame. Frame sliders will take the impact and move it *back* to the frame/engine/trans.
It's not enough that the company simply make racing frame sliders. If the sliders don't require you to cut a bigass hole in the fairings for the 3" wide slider puck that mounts to a *wide* solid point on the frame, they are going to do you more harm than good if you do anything more than drop the bike at a light or in a lot; it's just the way leverage works.
It's not enough that the company simply make racing frame sliders. If the sliders don't require you to cut a bigass hole in the fairings for the 3" wide slider puck that mounts to a *wide* solid point on the frame, they are going to do you more harm than good if you do anything more than drop the bike at a light or in a lot; it's just the way leverage works.
"Some protection is better than no protection" assumes that you are actually getting some protection, and not attaching a Damage Enhancement Device to your motorcycle, which is precisely the observed case with off-the-shelf frame sliders.
Had the engine bolt bent very much further on my bike, I would BE replacing the block, whereas if I'd not had any frame sliders to begin with, I would have had no damage to any part of the engine or frame. Again, protecting the engine and frame is the job of the fairings; frame sliders take that protection away by moving the impact back in to the engine and frame.
Had the engine bolt bent very much further on my bike, I would BE replacing the block, whereas if I'd not had any frame sliders to begin with, I would have had no damage to any part of the engine or frame. Again, protecting the engine and frame is the job of the fairings; frame sliders take that protection away by moving the impact back in to the engine and frame.
I'll agree to disagree on this one.
While mounting Frame sliders on the motor mount isn't ideal, and a better mounting location would be better "T-Rex makes frame sliders for the Ninja 500 that do just this." The PLASTICS do absolutely nothing for protection of the bike and frame if it should go down. The Plastics are only made out of ABS, They crack and tear away very easily, and are mainly there for cosmetics and aerodynamics.
While mounting Frame sliders on the motor mount isn't ideal, and a better mounting location would be better "T-Rex makes frame sliders for the Ninja 500 that do just this." The PLASTICS do absolutely nothing for protection of the bike and frame if it should go down. The Plastics are only made out of ABS, They crack and tear away very easily, and are mainly there for cosmetics and aerodynamics.
Yeah, you don't seem particularly open to discussion about it. You'll have to find out for yourself, I guess.
But if you think ABS plastic is weak, then I suspect you have never worked with ABS before. It's the same stuff Pelican uses to make all their combat-grade equipment cases with, and the last time I was abusing one of those, I was standing on top of it, bodily stomping it into a too-small gap in a pallet full of military com equipment. It contained $100k worth of radios. I wasn't worried. I could show you the fairings from my low-side three weeks ago; they were cracked mid-panel in several places, but still firmly attached to all the normal places on the bike - and by far the biggest damage to them was where the frame slider tore through on the left side. "They crack and tear away very easily" is among the highest volumes of bullshit per unit verbiage I have seen in a sentence recently.
But if you think ABS plastic is weak, then I suspect you have never worked with ABS before. It's the same stuff Pelican uses to make all their combat-grade equipment cases with, and the last time I was abusing one of those, I was standing on top of it, bodily stomping it into a too-small gap in a pallet full of military com equipment. It contained $100k worth of radios. I wasn't worried. I could show you the fairings from my low-side three weeks ago; they were cracked mid-panel in several places, but still firmly attached to all the normal places on the bike - and by far the biggest damage to them was where the frame slider tore through on the left side. "They crack and tear away very easily" is among the highest volumes of bullshit per unit verbiage I have seen in a sentence recently.
yeah my fist ninja was 600 back when they first came out steped up from the old honda 350, hated long rides on it bend over humping the tank. so slide back to a 1200HD Eltricglide from the Bostom PD, then a Honda CBX1300 was buildinga R75 BMW. when I got too messed up to ride anymore.. =(
How does it fit you? You're not a small person so is it comfy for you?
I was looking at a VFR1200 (awesome deal on one at a NJ dealer) but, still, the amount of depreciation rolling off the dealer's lot is a big chunk to swallow, even when the bike is discounted to $16K or so with bags and stuff.
I was looking at a VFR1200 (awesome deal on one at a NJ dealer) but, still, the amount of depreciation rolling off the dealer's lot is a big chunk to swallow, even when the bike is discounted to $16K or so with bags and stuff.
It's not necessarily dealership depreciation that bothers me (as I bought new and always dealt with it), it's the dealership depreciation on a $TWENTY THOU Japanese bike that's the issue.
Sticker price on the VFR1200 with bags, the laminar screen, the heated grips and maybe one or two other things is over $19K. You KNOW the moment that thing rolls off the showroom floor that it's not worth even $15K IRL.
So, on other Japanese bikes (like the one I own, bought new on leftover) when you roll off the floor, you lose say $2K to maybe $3K. The VFR starts *so* overpriced (IMHO) that the hit is HUGE. If the manual-transmissioned bike stickered for $15K $16K WITH bags, then I wouldn't see that much of an issue. But it's (overly) expensive new so you lose HUGE when you buy. The too-sporty stance and under 200-mile range hit it hard in the showrooms.
So I'm waiting for awesome deals on leftovers Really, though, I decided to stop compromising after all these years when I'm ready to buy my next bike...and get a Moto Guzzi.
Sticker price on the VFR1200 with bags, the laminar screen, the heated grips and maybe one or two other things is over $19K. You KNOW the moment that thing rolls off the showroom floor that it's not worth even $15K IRL.
So, on other Japanese bikes (like the one I own, bought new on leftover) when you roll off the floor, you lose say $2K to maybe $3K. The VFR starts *so* overpriced (IMHO) that the hit is HUGE. If the manual-transmissioned bike stickered for $15K $16K WITH bags, then I wouldn't see that much of an issue. But it's (overly) expensive new so you lose HUGE when you buy. The too-sporty stance and under 200-mile range hit it hard in the showrooms.
So I'm waiting for awesome deals on leftovers Really, though, I decided to stop compromising after all these years when I'm ready to buy my next bike...and get a Moto Guzzi.
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