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And then in an instant. . . .
This comic is a sequel! The first comic, 'Cruelty', can be read here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3704554/
Posting this disclaimer on every page, so no one can say they didn't see it. No need to read it if you already have, it's just for newcomers:
- This comic will contain adult content, swearing, violence, death, and some very difficult political and social subject matter. If you're the sort of sensitive person who can't handle that, this comic is not for you.
- Not ALL of the content in this comic will be posted online. I'll be withholding one of the adult scenes from the online release, reserved for the eventual print release. HOWEVER. Just like 'Cruelty', this comic WILL have one full adult scene posted online. Any complaints about the withheld content will be ignored, and likely scorned by the folks who DO enjoy what's posted online. So don't be an ass.
- This comic is GAY. GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY! I cannot express this ENOUGH, seeing as there was some confusion with 'Cruelty'. This comic follows the storyline of 'Cruelty' regardless of which 'path' you took, but it is assumed the characters eventually began a relationship. The comic deals with gay issues, as well as a gay relationship. Deal with it, or GTFO.
And then in an instant. . . .
This comic is a sequel! The first comic, 'Cruelty', can be read here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3704554/
Posting this disclaimer on every page, so no one can say they didn't see it. No need to read it if you already have, it's just for newcomers:
- This comic will contain adult content, swearing, violence, death, and some very difficult political and social subject matter. If you're the sort of sensitive person who can't handle that, this comic is not for you.
- Not ALL of the content in this comic will be posted online. I'll be withholding one of the adult scenes from the online release, reserved for the eventual print release. HOWEVER. Just like 'Cruelty', this comic WILL have one full adult scene posted online. Any complaints about the withheld content will be ignored, and likely scorned by the folks who DO enjoy what's posted online. So don't be an ass.
- This comic is GAY. GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY! I cannot express this ENOUGH, seeing as there was some confusion with 'Cruelty'. This comic follows the storyline of 'Cruelty' regardless of which 'path' you took, but it is assumed the characters eventually began a relationship. The comic deals with gay issues, as well as a gay relationship. Deal with it, or GTFO.
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I was making a joke. Rukis said the comic contains 2 sex scenes, one of which will only be available in the printed version, and the one we've had already. Since the other one hasn't occurred yet I find it unlikely either Reis or Marcus will be seriously injured, let alone killed. I'm thinking near miss or miraculously minor injuries from a clip followed by the second sex scene as a thanks/make-up from Marcus for bitching at Reis... I could be wrong though.
I don't think so for two reasons. First there isn't really separation between the two so they could be, and I certainly think (and hope) they are, considered one scene. Second, if that is the second scene then the blacking out doesn't hide a whole lot and would render buying the printed release pretty useless as most everything is exposed, unless of course there is more to pages 25-26 than that spread. If Rukis were going to hide it, she would probably make it obvious like what she did with Red Lantern. This is my opinion so you may be correct but if the blacking out was all the censoring there was I don't see Rukis or the publisher making much on the print because people won't have the incentive to buy it just to see the margins on one page.
I don't remember hearing that, but that supports the idea that one will get injured.
Also, your english is pretty good.
What we know so far:
It's night.
They are probably at an airport.
Marcus has had a history of walking out onto roadways.
Marcus again walked out into a roadway. There is some light in the background in the last frame.
Marcus didn't look.
Reis is now running to where we can assume Marcus is standing.
What we think we know.
There is likely a road vehicle moving towards Marcus at close range, and will likely hit him.
If it doesn't hit Marcus, it will likely hit Reis who pushes Marcus out of the way.
What we hope.
Marcus will not get hit like we think.
My Guess: Reis will push Marcus out of the way just in time, but get hit himself. Marcus will panic, and if there is a guest medic, Marcus will find said medic and get medical aid. Neither one of them will die, because first of all, they're the main characters, Rukis probably wouldn't kill one of them. We've already dealt with the 'death' part of the comic with Reis loosing his mom.
Any other ideas that I likely missed?
Also, your english is pretty good.
What we know so far:
It's night.
They are probably at an airport.
Marcus has had a history of walking out onto roadways.
Marcus again walked out into a roadway. There is some light in the background in the last frame.
Marcus didn't look.
Reis is now running to where we can assume Marcus is standing.
What we think we know.
There is likely a road vehicle moving towards Marcus at close range, and will likely hit him.
If it doesn't hit Marcus, it will likely hit Reis who pushes Marcus out of the way.
What we hope.
Marcus will not get hit like we think.
My Guess: Reis will push Marcus out of the way just in time, but get hit himself. Marcus will panic, and if there is a guest medic, Marcus will find said medic and get medical aid. Neither one of them will die, because first of all, they're the main characters, Rukis probably wouldn't kill one of them. We've already dealt with the 'death' part of the comic with Reis loosing his mom.
Any other ideas that I likely missed?
First of all, I'm guessing. I don't say that I know that.
Also, she probably wouldn't because so many people would be completely disappointed if she did, and there wouldn't be much of a comic left if she kill one of them.
She /could/, but I'm fairly confident that she won't.
Also, she probably wouldn't because so many people would be completely disappointed if she did, and there wouldn't be much of a comic left if she kill one of them.
She /could/, but I'm fairly confident that she won't.
"The comic will be approximately 80 pages," -- Rukis [ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5878641 ]
We still have a ways to go before the comic ends.
We still have a ways to go before the comic ends.
Everything is a spaceship! What do you think you're moving through, air? Technically yes, but what does the air occupy? Space! It's all around us, it is inside us; everything that exists, exists in space, and everything that moves, moves through space... What was my point?... Oh right, a car IS a spaceship!
If it the last panel where reis is running, it could be that street lamp. if you're talking about the one where he's yelling to marcus, could also just be lighting from the lamp. would not be surprised with a car though, marcus did walk off angry and you tend not to be too cautious about looking both ways.
The suspense!
The suspense!
Reis tried to tell him and now 1 of two things happens. Marcus gets hit and sends reis into a spiraling depression or Reis gets hit and Marcus feels like a total douche bag. Either way, Marcus has ruined Reis' life. And Maecus say he might still have a drug problem......what the hell? Don't you trust your boyfriend at all? I really hate Marcis in this comic. He doesn't deserve Reis!
Not sure about getting killed, beatten yep, not killed, lol. And yes, mate, i am sorry to admit this, but in some certain countries and areas it is dangerous to be gay. There are still a lotta stupid people left on this planet and mentalities are always slow to change.
Now relating to the comic:
Well, of course that marcus also has some faults in the story, just like everyone else in the real-world. We know that Reis has the chalange of making peace with himself, and Marcus also needs to learn to loosen up a bit about his ideals. I thing that the argument we're having just proves that the story so far, is beeing well written and told.
Now relating to the comic:
Well, of course that marcus also has some faults in the story, just like everyone else in the real-world. We know that Reis has the chalange of making peace with himself, and Marcus also needs to learn to loosen up a bit about his ideals. I thing that the argument we're having just proves that the story so far, is beeing well written and told.
Yeah but what i ment was, a few pages back when they protested specifically towards someone that really hate gay, back then it was of no concern for him that being gay was dangerous, he went to such extremes so he openly goes and tell everyone around the block that he is gay, don't get me wrong, you are allowed to be gay but that doesn't mean you HAVE to stick it in everones face and demand respect from them, you could just act normally, like any other person does every day of the week without gloating about it, but now all of a sudden he is concered about Rais being gay.
To be honest, i read alot of jealousy from Marcus.
And actually, it was kind of Marcus' fault that Rais got busted with narcotics since those guys attacked him because he defended Marcus, right? In the end he only defended himself but only because people were angry at him because of Marcus.
Just a thought....
To be honest, i read alot of jealousy from Marcus.
And actually, it was kind of Marcus' fault that Rais got busted with narcotics since those guys attacked him because he defended Marcus, right? In the end he only defended himself but only because people were angry at him because of Marcus.
Just a thought....
A tought that i will respectfully oppose. See, in cruelty, Reis actually went in looking for a fight, since the douchebags had beatten up Marcus, remember? Read it again, if you must. Another point, do you think that Reis shouldn't had been busted? I mean, if he hadn't, he would probabbly still be on it. By that point of view, it's okay to kill someone as long as no one finds out.
Now to Unconditional:
If you pay enough attention, you'll notice that Marcus is the head of an "Equal rights for everyone" type of organization, my friend, and was not, by any means sticking it in other faces that he was gay or anything similar.
If i recall correctly, they were protesting against a guy who was head of a religious group that actually happened to disrespect a guy's funeral now JUST because he was gay.
Is fighting against this kind of stuff that bad? Say that to gandhi or Marthin Luther King. People who change the world, are those who actually have the guts and strenght to move on with movements like these, and i DO NOT want to keep living in a world, where people are cappable of judging because of sexuality.
Now, regarding Marcus making a fuss about Reis in the police force, think about these: He's stressed because of his own organization and mate's situation, he really doesn't want his mate to get hurt or disrespected since he knows that stuff still happens, and his own personality of a leader (Wich seems to be emerging) is actually affecting him on taking all the decisions. Also, Reis just told him that he would have to work in another city. Hear that from your mate, and then tell me how you're feeling X3
But this is just my point, tough. As you said, just a tought...
Now to Unconditional:
If you pay enough attention, you'll notice that Marcus is the head of an "Equal rights for everyone" type of organization, my friend, and was not, by any means sticking it in other faces that he was gay or anything similar.
If i recall correctly, they were protesting against a guy who was head of a religious group that actually happened to disrespect a guy's funeral now JUST because he was gay.
Is fighting against this kind of stuff that bad? Say that to gandhi or Marthin Luther King. People who change the world, are those who actually have the guts and strenght to move on with movements like these, and i DO NOT want to keep living in a world, where people are cappable of judging because of sexuality.
Now, regarding Marcus making a fuss about Reis in the police force, think about these: He's stressed because of his own organization and mate's situation, he really doesn't want his mate to get hurt or disrespected since he knows that stuff still happens, and his own personality of a leader (Wich seems to be emerging) is actually affecting him on taking all the decisions. Also, Reis just told him that he would have to work in another city. Hear that from your mate, and then tell me how you're feeling X3
But this is just my point, tough. As you said, just a tought...
Ok I'll admit to Marcis helping him clean up and stuff but now he being a massive controll freak. Whether he is used to protecting Reis or not, he needs to be more supportive and I d'état and that Reis wants to actually do something for himself rather than rely on Marcus all the time.
That's maybe...part of the character development in the comic? Let's not forget, this is, despite how immersive and addictive it can be, just a story. And storytelling has personal goals for each main character to beat. Of course Marcus also has one two, it just means this is a good story with deep, malleable character personalities. Let's see how it folds, kay? =3
Besides, couples do get like that in real-life sometimes.
Besides, couples do get like that in real-life sometimes.
I would not let many of these people get to you. Judging by the many ignorant comments I read here; most of them have never read Cruelty and or did not pay any attention to the story, or this one either. And or have never been in any real relionship out side of the internet. They shall learn.
Real couples get like that? I wouldn't know a thing about it, having been with someone for nearly 10 years. Because I most CERTAINLY have not done things like this myself, and he most certainly hasn't either. And we most definitely never ever accidentally resort to anger when we're just scared and lacking coherence to express what we really want. Nope. Never ever.
Not convincing? Well, damn. :P
But yeah, people forget, I think, that sometimes emotions get in the way of sense, and when you're scared something might take the person you love most in this world away from you, sometimes it comes out as selfish babble instead. People aren't perfect. They make mistakes. A LOT. Like, a lot a lot. And when you're in a real relationship with someone, especially for a long time, you're going to see more of those mistakes and on a deeper level than most others get to see. Yeah, I do want to slap Marcus in this scene. But I also get what he's really trying to say, the real fear that's got hold of him.
Plus, in addition to being afraid of losing Reis, you also have to consider that while he does indeed trust his mate, he may very well also be worried (and rightfully so) that Reis going back home will cause him to relapse into a lot of the old patterns and behaviors. And since Marcus is still in school, he can't go with Reis to make sure he's still got his support person there. It can sometimes happen that people need to make a change of scenery to escape certain issues they are having, because in their old location all they're surrounded by is the same atmosphere that was influencing them when they had the depression, the addiction, what have you. And with Reis already being vulnerable from his mother's death, it does have the potential to be a risky time to step back and face those feelings. He may deal with it just fine, but being in a vulnerable state makes it more likely for him to fall back into the "when I live here, this is how I acted, and it's familiar" and not even realize he's doing it. And if Marcus is aware of that possibility, that could be influencing his reaction as well.
Plus the fact that it's just kinda being sprung on him, and he's probably afraid Reis is just making a rash decision because he lost so many things all at once and may just be grasping for something he can control without really thinking about it. People do that sometimes too.
But ultimately it boils down to, Marcus does care, he's not intending to be controlling, he's just freaked the hell out and it happened to come out that way. You can make a really big ass out of yourself when you're panicked... the words kind of get list somewhere from your brain to your mouth. I should know. I do that a lot. x.x; But then, so does he. We cool off, we realize we came off as jerks, we talk about it, we apologize, we move on. But that doesn't change the fact that we're not perfect so it's going to happen now and then. ESPECIALLY when there's already a lot of stress going on.
...end psychology nerd ramble. o.o;
Not convincing? Well, damn. :P
But yeah, people forget, I think, that sometimes emotions get in the way of sense, and when you're scared something might take the person you love most in this world away from you, sometimes it comes out as selfish babble instead. People aren't perfect. They make mistakes. A LOT. Like, a lot a lot. And when you're in a real relationship with someone, especially for a long time, you're going to see more of those mistakes and on a deeper level than most others get to see. Yeah, I do want to slap Marcus in this scene. But I also get what he's really trying to say, the real fear that's got hold of him.
Plus, in addition to being afraid of losing Reis, you also have to consider that while he does indeed trust his mate, he may very well also be worried (and rightfully so) that Reis going back home will cause him to relapse into a lot of the old patterns and behaviors. And since Marcus is still in school, he can't go with Reis to make sure he's still got his support person there. It can sometimes happen that people need to make a change of scenery to escape certain issues they are having, because in their old location all they're surrounded by is the same atmosphere that was influencing them when they had the depression, the addiction, what have you. And with Reis already being vulnerable from his mother's death, it does have the potential to be a risky time to step back and face those feelings. He may deal with it just fine, but being in a vulnerable state makes it more likely for him to fall back into the "when I live here, this is how I acted, and it's familiar" and not even realize he's doing it. And if Marcus is aware of that possibility, that could be influencing his reaction as well.
Plus the fact that it's just kinda being sprung on him, and he's probably afraid Reis is just making a rash decision because he lost so many things all at once and may just be grasping for something he can control without really thinking about it. People do that sometimes too.
But ultimately it boils down to, Marcus does care, he's not intending to be controlling, he's just freaked the hell out and it happened to come out that way. You can make a really big ass out of yourself when you're panicked... the words kind of get list somewhere from your brain to your mouth. I should know. I do that a lot. x.x; But then, so does he. We cool off, we realize we came off as jerks, we talk about it, we apologize, we move on. But that doesn't change the fact that we're not perfect so it's going to happen now and then. ESPECIALLY when there's already a lot of stress going on.
...end psychology nerd ramble. o.o;
does that panda in the background look he up to something, he looking at them with an evil look and possibly texting to the car that's a bout to hit marcus. he must be with hate group that marcus is trying to take down and the priest is in the car try to kill marcus. that's whats going to happen i think correct if i am wrong rukis
;w; this series makes me think of this scene in one of the best tv shows ever so sad *sniffles*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUwHAo9Bvks
i friggen cry like a baby every time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUwHAo9Bvks
i friggen cry like a baby every time
Ugh, that Marcus. He is such a hypocrite and saying that your bf still might have a drug problem when he's been clean ever since and other shit...he is just being an arrogant asshole that has to have things HIS way and are convenient for him.
Again, HOW is he different than the lion from before?
Again, HOW is he different than the lion from before?
You know how I know Rukis isn't going to kill either of them? She says this comic will have two full adult scenes, but one will not he posted online. We have seen one of them, but no gap in the story or page numbers where the second would be. I suppose its possible that it could involve a different character, but I kinda doubt it, as if one of these two were to die and then the other goes and has sex with someone else in the span of a few pages it would really cheaper the romance that these two have.
Now that you mention it, what about that other fox character? Do you think he might try to steal Reis away after this? Considering this story has been heavily focused on Reis I doubt he'll die soon; along with that, Marcus has been an asshole lately he might consider it otherwise if presented an opportunity.
Is it just me or does that Panda look really menacing?
And why does it look like he's staring at Marcus? O_O
(Paranoia....)
Anyway, if I'm reading whats been said correctly it seems like this job Reis will be taking is back in Mayfield....Which means Reis without informing Marcus about it for a week has just opted to either train or work in Mayfield....If he's just training in Mayfield thats one thing....But Marcus's 'Isn't all this back in Mayfield?' comment makes me think the actual JOB might be back there....In which case yeah....Reis made a unilateral decision that seriously affects and changes there relationship without even informing, let alone actually discussing it with Marcus.
And Marcus DOES have a point in that Reis may not be thinking straight due to grief.
And there is the fact that Reis didn't bother answering Marcus's other points. He may still have a drug problem....The Job is indeed dangerous.
The 'Your Gay' arguement is probably the weakest point Marcus has raised but even then he may have a point....Reis didn't take being outed at his last job well and even though Liam is perfectly fine with it....It doesn't mean Reis's colleagues or superior's would be all to happy about it.
Then again maybe they won't care? Like I said it's possibly Marcus's weakest point.
This all seems to boil down to Reis being offered a career that would solve his personal hangup of being taken care of by Marcus...And without thinking about Marcus's opinion, fears or concerns or even thinking about how taking a Job possibly in Mayfield, which is in a different region of the country would affect them, latched onto said opportunity.
Of course now THIS is happening....Which may invalidate everything.....If Marcus dies there's nothing tying him to his new home anymore, he grieves and goes back to Mayfield and enrolls to be a cop or he grieves and falls back into his addiction. (Marcus is probably one of the major reasons in his life he's been so clean.) I don't think this is likely though because doing this would invalidate a lot of already ongoing plot-lines. (Mostly Jacob trying to get between Reis and Marcus and the Crazy Church.)
If Marcus is....*Gulped* Disabled. (Please no! ) or severely hurt Marcus will probably have to drop everything to help take care of Marcus....He can't leave to go to a police academy with his boyfriend in a hospital in critical care or disabled or whatever else...Of course I don't want to see a horribly wounded Marcus and I think people can agree with me on that.
The other last possible choice is that Reis can quickly grab Marcus out of the way and save him...It preserves a lot of the other ongoing plotlines and still leaves the Officer Reis stuff open....
And why does it look like he's staring at Marcus? O_O
(Paranoia....)
Anyway, if I'm reading whats been said correctly it seems like this job Reis will be taking is back in Mayfield....Which means Reis without informing Marcus about it for a week has just opted to either train or work in Mayfield....If he's just training in Mayfield thats one thing....But Marcus's 'Isn't all this back in Mayfield?' comment makes me think the actual JOB might be back there....In which case yeah....Reis made a unilateral decision that seriously affects and changes there relationship without even informing, let alone actually discussing it with Marcus.
And Marcus DOES have a point in that Reis may not be thinking straight due to grief.
And there is the fact that Reis didn't bother answering Marcus's other points. He may still have a drug problem....The Job is indeed dangerous.
The 'Your Gay' arguement is probably the weakest point Marcus has raised but even then he may have a point....Reis didn't take being outed at his last job well and even though Liam is perfectly fine with it....It doesn't mean Reis's colleagues or superior's would be all to happy about it.
Then again maybe they won't care? Like I said it's possibly Marcus's weakest point.
This all seems to boil down to Reis being offered a career that would solve his personal hangup of being taken care of by Marcus...And without thinking about Marcus's opinion, fears or concerns or even thinking about how taking a Job possibly in Mayfield, which is in a different region of the country would affect them, latched onto said opportunity.
Of course now THIS is happening....Which may invalidate everything.....If Marcus dies there's nothing tying him to his new home anymore, he grieves and goes back to Mayfield and enrolls to be a cop or he grieves and falls back into his addiction. (Marcus is probably one of the major reasons in his life he's been so clean.) I don't think this is likely though because doing this would invalidate a lot of already ongoing plot-lines. (Mostly Jacob trying to get between Reis and Marcus and the Crazy Church.)
If Marcus is....*Gulped* Disabled. (Please no! ) or severely hurt Marcus will probably have to drop everything to help take care of Marcus....He can't leave to go to a police academy with his boyfriend in a hospital in critical care or disabled or whatever else...Of course I don't want to see a horribly wounded Marcus and I think people can agree with me on that.
The other last possible choice is that Reis can quickly grab Marcus out of the way and save him...It preserves a lot of the other ongoing plotlines and still leaves the Officer Reis stuff open....
Huh? What does that have to do with a ton of badshit happening to poor Reis?
Loses his Job and Mother in the same day as well as beating the shit out of poor Lou in the same day and factor in the fact that his relationship is taking on a depressing twist for him recently.
Add in the Cruelty Comic and his background. (Which was probably really bad if his old PO is a reliable source....And he probably is.) It really seems Reis can't get a break. :(
Loses his Job and Mother in the same day as well as beating the shit out of poor Lou in the same day and factor in the fact that his relationship is taking on a depressing twist for him recently.
Add in the Cruelty Comic and his background. (Which was probably really bad if his old PO is a reliable source....And he probably is.) It really seems Reis can't get a break. :(
HES GONNA RUN FROM BEHIND GRAB HIM PULL HIM BACK AWAY FROM THE CAR HES GONNA ALMOST GET HIT BY AND HAVE TEARS IN HIS EYES OR SUMTHIN AN BREAK DOWN CAUSE HE ALMOST GOT HIT AND THAN LET HIM GO AN LATER HES GONNA GET HIT WHILE DRIVING HOME AN END UP INNA COMA! :D
If my boyfriend had an opportunity to further his life I would support him all the way. We would have to compromise, that's the bases of a good relationship but I wouldn't stand in his way. Reis is trying to turn his life around and make something of himself, very admirable, he had problems in his past but he's trying to go down the right track..
Now I know this is fictional but... How very fucking dare you bring grief into this Marcus.. How dare you. You never, ever do that when you are comforting someone, never ever. Also, you're gay.. I know a few gay police officers and people in the army, how dare you be a hypocrite by fighting for peoples rights and then be selfish enough to tie your boyfriend down to you making him validate himself through you.
Marcus never listens to Reis even when Reis tries to care for him or wants to talk about the direction his life is taking. First part of the comic he belittles Reis's job and his abilities and wants everything for himself. I have so gone off the character and I kinda hope Reis finds a better person to be with.
Now I know this is fictional but... How very fucking dare you bring grief into this Marcus.. How dare you. You never, ever do that when you are comforting someone, never ever. Also, you're gay.. I know a few gay police officers and people in the army, how dare you be a hypocrite by fighting for peoples rights and then be selfish enough to tie your boyfriend down to you making him validate himself through you.
Marcus never listens to Reis even when Reis tries to care for him or wants to talk about the direction his life is taking. First part of the comic he belittles Reis's job and his abilities and wants everything for himself. I have so gone off the character and I kinda hope Reis finds a better person to be with.
Actually if you look at reviews a lot of reviewers address a character by name rather than the writer when giving social commentary. This is used to distinguish the writer from their creation. A work of fiction can be great while the characters are against what you and even the writer thinks as correct behavior. For example, it would not be right for me to direct my comments to Rukis though while reviewing the story I can address the fictional character by name to comment on their behavior.
I like the narrative of this comic, it's pretty good as free comics go but I don't really want to give an in depth review.
I like the narrative of this comic, it's pretty good as free comics go but I don't really want to give an in depth review.
Same here, although Reis has his own share of faults; so I'm pretty much fond of both of them and have my problems with them. Now if I had the opportunity to hang out with one of them, I'd stick with Reis any day of the week; he's kind, more practical and realistic than Marcus, and I think he does possess some intelligence that might be dismissed by others because of his GED (if he were real that is).
So you'd just mooch off of him for a while, then take advantage of an opportunity that you wouldn't have had if not for him (Marcus helped him get his drug offense marked down to an infraction, so he wouldn't be eligible for this job if not for Marc), and then spring it on him without even talking to him about it even though it's going to severely affect both of your lives.
Like I said I don't have the same problems as Reis.
As for Reis's decision. The opportunity is something for him to feel like he can succeed and establish some independence for himself. And Reis wasn't trying to mooch off of Marcus. That was what Marcus wanted Reis to do. Marcus was trying to enable Reis to be a moocher or completely rely upon him. Reis tried hard to find work and had a couple jobs while he was living with Marcus to pull his own weight.
As for the job he is taking they could have discussed it prior, but I feel that Marcus, had Reis not taken the job before speaking to him, would have done something to stop him from doing so. He just strikes me as the type to do that. He's an activist.
Anyway. The story is interesting and it draws on some realism in relationships and life. I enjoy it.
As for Reis's decision. The opportunity is something for him to feel like he can succeed and establish some independence for himself. And Reis wasn't trying to mooch off of Marcus. That was what Marcus wanted Reis to do. Marcus was trying to enable Reis to be a moocher or completely rely upon him. Reis tried hard to find work and had a couple jobs while he was living with Marcus to pull his own weight.
As for the job he is taking they could have discussed it prior, but I feel that Marcus, had Reis not taken the job before speaking to him, would have done something to stop him from doing so. He just strikes me as the type to do that. He's an activist.
Anyway. The story is interesting and it draws on some realism in relationships and life. I enjoy it.
He has good reasons to be upset.
1. Reis didn't tell him anything for the week he was there. And he wasn't supposed to even stay there a week. It's implied he called and told Marcus he'd be spending more time up there.... Marcus probably thought Reis was spending the week grieving and was probably worried and instead finds out he was undergoing the preliminary stuff needed to become a cop.
2. Reis had already made up his mind on whether or not he wants to do what he's doing.
Their 'Discussion' doesn't mean jack as everything's already been handled and ready for Reis to get started.
3. The training and possibly the job are in Mayfield...Their old hometown. FAAAAAR away from where their both currently living.
Reis's choice would likely call for some sort of mid to long term separation. And in Marcus's mind Reis is probably doing this because of grief caused by the death of his Mother...And probably on a deeper level is probably frightened Reis is doing this as a way of distancing himself from Marcus, blaming him for not being able to talk to her one last time....Now this isn't the case, but remember, Reis was coming to help Marcus when his Mother called and later OD'd and Marcus even brought such a thought earlier.
Add it to the fact he's suddenly got a job locked in, thats a region or so away and wasn't told until the last possible second and it's a justifiable fear.
1. Reis didn't tell him anything for the week he was there. And he wasn't supposed to even stay there a week. It's implied he called and told Marcus he'd be spending more time up there.... Marcus probably thought Reis was spending the week grieving and was probably worried and instead finds out he was undergoing the preliminary stuff needed to become a cop.
2. Reis had already made up his mind on whether or not he wants to do what he's doing.
Their 'Discussion' doesn't mean jack as everything's already been handled and ready for Reis to get started.
3. The training and possibly the job are in Mayfield...Their old hometown. FAAAAAR away from where their both currently living.
Reis's choice would likely call for some sort of mid to long term separation. And in Marcus's mind Reis is probably doing this because of grief caused by the death of his Mother...And probably on a deeper level is probably frightened Reis is doing this as a way of distancing himself from Marcus, blaming him for not being able to talk to her one last time....Now this isn't the case, but remember, Reis was coming to help Marcus when his Mother called and later OD'd and Marcus even brought such a thought earlier.
Add it to the fact he's suddenly got a job locked in, thats a region or so away and wasn't told until the last possible second and it's a justifiable fear.
Yay you hit the nail on the head!
The only thing I can say in counter-point is against 2...
Reis said that it's *not* locked in. He might be saying that just to better his position, but he's been thinking about it for a week, so I think we can trust that.
Furthermore, the training isn't any time soon. He'd already been there two weeks, if it was in a week or so, he'd have stayed there. They have, possibly, several weeks to talk things over. Regardless of all Reis' determination, if Marcus is still that upset, they'd be both be re-evaluating both the opportunity and relationship. To say that their discussion is pointless is to say that they're in a bad relationship, honestly.
I'm not saying Marcus should be calm... just that #2 is only indicative of shock and paranoia, and that once Marcus calms down, Reis' mind could be changed.
The only thing I can say in counter-point is against 2...
Reis said that it's *not* locked in. He might be saying that just to better his position, but he's been thinking about it for a week, so I think we can trust that.
Furthermore, the training isn't any time soon. He'd already been there two weeks, if it was in a week or so, he'd have stayed there. They have, possibly, several weeks to talk things over. Regardless of all Reis' determination, if Marcus is still that upset, they'd be both be re-evaluating both the opportunity and relationship. To say that their discussion is pointless is to say that they're in a bad relationship, honestly.
I'm not saying Marcus should be calm... just that #2 is only indicative of shock and paranoia, and that once Marcus calms down, Reis' mind could be changed.
You have a point.
I think Marcus would be less worried and shocked if Reis were getting a nice and safe job in town, in fact he'd probably be very happy if Reis found a good job....But yeah, coming back suddenly wanting to become a cop and having to separate for a spell? Probably setting off a ton of alarm bells in his head.
I had another thought earlier as well about the whole work thing and how it's probably making Marcus concerned.
Marcus knows Reis was feeling down about not pulling his own weight in their relationship. Even though Marcus really doesn't care if Reis has a job or not he seems to care more about Reis working himself to the bone working bad hours for worse pay when he doesn't have to work or can actually take his time in trying to find a job.
Instead Reis gets a high risk, high stress job that requires the pair of them living a fair distance from the other.
So yeah....I can understand Marcus being worried...And I'm also afraid Reis isn't thinking with a clear mind...
I think Marcus would be less worried and shocked if Reis were getting a nice and safe job in town, in fact he'd probably be very happy if Reis found a good job....But yeah, coming back suddenly wanting to become a cop and having to separate for a spell? Probably setting off a ton of alarm bells in his head.
I had another thought earlier as well about the whole work thing and how it's probably making Marcus concerned.
Marcus knows Reis was feeling down about not pulling his own weight in their relationship. Even though Marcus really doesn't care if Reis has a job or not he seems to care more about Reis working himself to the bone working bad hours for worse pay when he doesn't have to work or can actually take his time in trying to find a job.
Instead Reis gets a high risk, high stress job that requires the pair of them living a fair distance from the other.
So yeah....I can understand Marcus being worried...And I'm also afraid Reis isn't thinking with a clear mind...
Holy hell. Getting a really bad vibe from the sudden twists of events, even more so going back to page 19 when someone mentioned it. And just wow. I like others think this is a bit unfair to Reis at this point, Honestly. I'd rather not see Reis lose someone he loves, Even if Marcus is a bit of a High striding fox who doesn't really listen. Doesn't Change the fact just how much that wolfdog loves him. It's going to be a few depressing next couple of pages. Death of a mother I could kinda tolerate. but This?
Definitely know how to keep people on edge Rukis. I'm going to feel for Reis pretty badly here.
Also wanted to say I theorized that this might've been a set up too from that anti gay group. I would've gone along paw in paw. Reis redeems himself with finding out who harmed Marcus. And etc. Also wanted to note that the panda in the background, theoretical can be the guest appearance too that we'll see later on. Think it was a panda who won. Not really sure at this point though.
Poor Reis.
You've done such a wonderful job on this comic so far Rukis. Can only wait for the next few pages. Thanks for allowing us to read along here On FA
Definitely know how to keep people on edge Rukis. I'm going to feel for Reis pretty badly here.
Also wanted to say I theorized that this might've been a set up too from that anti gay group. I would've gone along paw in paw. Reis redeems himself with finding out who harmed Marcus. And etc. Also wanted to note that the panda in the background, theoretical can be the guest appearance too that we'll see later on. Think it was a panda who won. Not really sure at this point though.
Poor Reis.
You've done such a wonderful job on this comic so far Rukis. Can only wait for the next few pages. Thanks for allowing us to read along here On FA
Marcus has very good reasons why not to go into the law enforcement that shows that he cares about Reis, BUT his last point is total bullshit. I agree with Reis that being gay doesn't matter shit in anything just like being straight doesn't matter in anything. The only thing it should matter is to you and other people that have a problem with sexuality (any preference) should just shut their mouth.
Marcus should be a lot more considerate of how others feel. Reis is going through a hard time but this feeling is longer lasting than that of his mother's death and his loss of job. Feeling useless (like you haven't been able to do anything useful) is very painful. Reis, follow your wants and don't let Marcus or ANYONE force you to do otherwise.
And oh not, Marcus you should have looked both ways. I hope both of them will be ok even though i know it wont get too better anytime soon.
Marcus should be a lot more considerate of how others feel. Reis is going through a hard time but this feeling is longer lasting than that of his mother's death and his loss of job. Feeling useless (like you haven't been able to do anything useful) is very painful. Reis, follow your wants and don't let Marcus or ANYONE force you to do otherwise.
And oh not, Marcus you should have looked both ways. I hope both of them will be ok even though i know it wont get too better anytime soon.
Just when I had breathed a sigh of relief several pages ago when Marcus DIDN'T get hit by a car...
Either Marcus is going to get hit and seriously hurt, or Reis is going to manage to push him out of the way and get hit instead. In the latter case, probably ending up with a serious enough injury that he's not going to be able to take this job he was offered...Cop, by the sounds of it. In fact, wasn't it suggested in Cruelty that he already had a pre-existing back injury that he was on pain meds for?
In any case, now I'm worried. Dammit, Rukis. You're too good at this! I care -far- more than I reasonably should for these two and these cliffhangers are killing me!
Either Marcus is going to get hit and seriously hurt, or Reis is going to manage to push him out of the way and get hit instead. In the latter case, probably ending up with a serious enough injury that he's not going to be able to take this job he was offered...Cop, by the sounds of it. In fact, wasn't it suggested in Cruelty that he already had a pre-existing back injury that he was on pain meds for?
In any case, now I'm worried. Dammit, Rukis. You're too good at this! I care -far- more than I reasonably should for these two and these cliffhangers are killing me!
Look Both Ways
...the driver almost never slows down (if they try, they will brake so hard that their wheels lock up and they end up not slowing down anyway) and never swerves, even if the person was in the street long enough for them to react...
...the driver almost never slows down (if they try, they will brake so hard that their wheels lock up and they end up not slowing down anyway) and never swerves, even if the person was in the street long enough for them to react...
Does it matter? Even a pedalbike crashed into a pedestrian can make some serious damages. It's all about speed.
Btw trucks are abit safer, because they are square: whole your body receives an impact, & then as truck's speed decreases slowly, you'll drop on your knees and truck goes over you. If you wasn't in the wheelbase zone, you probably would just have few "bruises" and pain in the neck.
As for the car, or motorcycle you get swiped with first impact, then it's head against the roof (or a bike's tail) and then you land on the asphalt with rotation speed great-enough as if you had jumped off the window.
Btw trucks are abit safer, because they are square: whole your body receives an impact, & then as truck's speed decreases slowly, you'll drop on your knees and truck goes over you. If you wasn't in the wheelbase zone, you probably would just have few "bruises" and pain in the neck.
As for the car, or motorcycle you get swiped with first impact, then it's head against the roof (or a bike's tail) and then you land on the asphalt with rotation speed great-enough as if you had jumped off the window.
Absolutely right, but usually they hit the deer on what.. 45? 70?
I've never claimed trucks are safe on every speed, what i said was: trucks are safer on the same speed, below critical 35, than car or motorbike.
In situation like pedestrian zone (which in i should agree with Tamarack - trucks are very rare, if even show up.) speed is about 10-15, and i'm sure if there would be truck, you'd better get hit by it's big grill, than car's bumper, or bike's light.
I've never claimed trucks are safe on every speed, what i said was: trucks are safer on the same speed, below critical 35, than car or motorbike.
In situation like pedestrian zone (which in i should agree with Tamarack - trucks are very rare, if even show up.) speed is about 10-15, and i'm sure if there would be truck, you'd better get hit by it's big grill, than car's bumper, or bike's light.
*dr-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r... P-DOOM!.. crack-tumbp.**
Sometimes bitches* are so hot about their problems, they never mind traffic laws (or whatever simple rule of life) & that gets them hurt more. Pfffffh, itchy asses.
(*Males happening to be bitches too, if you curious.)
(**if you ever heard sounds of ABS, windshield impact and serious bonecracking landing - i don't have to explain.)
Sometimes bitches* are so hot about their problems, they never mind traffic laws (or whatever simple rule of life) & that gets them hurt more. Pfffffh, itchy asses.
(*Males happening to be bitches too, if you curious.)
(**if you ever heard sounds of ABS, windshield impact and serious bonecracking landing - i don't have to explain.)
On the next time on Unconditional... Marcus and Reis get trapped in a PSA about looking both ways while crossing the street! Who gets the business end of a Buick? Will the week Reis spent in Mayfield be enough to help him use the force to deflect the car? Will Marcus get that surgery to have that stick removed from between his butt cheeks? Also... what is Vapora doing with that gas canister? Find out in the next exciting installment of ... UNCONDITIONAL!
Great, and now Marcus wither dies or is badly injured, leaving Reis to feel guilty and worried all the while if he decides to go to the academy anyway, or worse, give up the academy and stay with the idiotic little ass.
Man Marcus has devolved into quite an unsavory character.
Damn you guys! Now I cant wait for the next one!!!
Man Marcus has devolved into quite an unsavory character.
Damn you guys! Now I cant wait for the next one!!!
suicide to me is mental sickness and a lack of confidence and weak will. and are they sure it was full on suicide and not murder? plus all the anti homosesxual stuff no backing int he bible for it. only refernse is leviticus most used and it is refering to the tribes of isreal of that time
;_; Why do I get this weird feeling in the back of my head that the driver is either, the pastor or one of his crazy followers who remember Reis & or Marcus from the protest. I can just imagine him/her speeding up and thinking oh hey "f**s" on the road? -their fault, and then comes more drama.
Anyways I've fallen in love with this comic, much respect for Rukis <3. I hope Reis & Marc make it out of this alive, unharmed and apologize to each other.
Anyways I've fallen in love with this comic, much respect for Rukis <3. I hope Reis & Marc make it out of this alive, unharmed and apologize to each other.
See, I'm thinking it's more along the lines of these people identifying with Reis because they see themselves as being in the kind of hard-luck no-future situation that he is, so because they're living this comic out vicariously through Reis, they can only see Marcus as an obstacle.
To be fair, we don't get as much time with Marcus in this comic, so the reader might have more sympathy for Reis than Marcus, who has his own faults too, because we know more about him and can relate to his situation; and what we do see of him can piss people off. Sure, we know that Marcus has been best friends with Reis since childhood, has sort of a privileged lifestyle, can be demanding and is very open about gay rights. I think I have only seen his side of the family once in the last comic; and whenever we learn something about Marcus there always has to be Reis involved, such as the trip down memory lane in the first comic.
Yeah, but it seems like no matter what happens, Marcus is always a douche and Reis is just a victim of everything in spite of trying his best. Reis has flaws, but nobody seems to really see them because everything is always someone else's fault.
Plus, to say that Marcus has had a privileged upbringing is kind of misleading because it suggests that he's never really known suffering. The first page of Cruelty opens up with him all beat the hell up and explaining that he's lost all of his friends except Reis since high school. Speaking from experience, being from a family of sound financial means doesn't do much to relieve the difficulties inherent with being an almost friendless social pariah and the victim of regular harassment because of something you can't help.
Meanwhile, people talk about Marcus trying to stifle Reis's growth into an independent person, but that's kind of off-base because if not for Marcus, Reis would be in jail or on the streets right now. Marcus helped him get off with an infraction (which is what made the police job possible in the first place), helped him get off drugs (a gruesome process that takes a whole lot of love and dedication from anyone that makes the effort to offer their support), and took him into his home. One would think that after all of that, a discussion of the matter would at least be deserved as opposed to just springing it on him.
But what I find more baffling than anything by a longshot is the attitude so many people seem to towards FERAL and what it does. They owe their ability to sit here reading this comic at all to the groups it's based on (GLAAD, Truth Wins Out, NGLTF, etc.), and yet bravery and initiative to make the world a better place for themselves and people like them is branded stupidity and trying to be confrontational. As I've said before, people like that don't deserve the rights others have fought and bled to earn for them.
Plus, to say that Marcus has had a privileged upbringing is kind of misleading because it suggests that he's never really known suffering. The first page of Cruelty opens up with him all beat the hell up and explaining that he's lost all of his friends except Reis since high school. Speaking from experience, being from a family of sound financial means doesn't do much to relieve the difficulties inherent with being an almost friendless social pariah and the victim of regular harassment because of something you can't help.
Meanwhile, people talk about Marcus trying to stifle Reis's growth into an independent person, but that's kind of off-base because if not for Marcus, Reis would be in jail or on the streets right now. Marcus helped him get off with an infraction (which is what made the police job possible in the first place), helped him get off drugs (a gruesome process that takes a whole lot of love and dedication from anyone that makes the effort to offer their support), and took him into his home. One would think that after all of that, a discussion of the matter would at least be deserved as opposed to just springing it on him.
But what I find more baffling than anything by a longshot is the attitude so many people seem to towards FERAL and what it does. They owe their ability to sit here reading this comic at all to the groups it's based on (GLAAD, Truth Wins Out, NGLTF, etc.), and yet bravery and initiative to make the world a better place for themselves and people like them is branded stupidity and trying to be confrontational. As I've said before, people like that don't deserve the rights others have fought and bled to earn for them.
By "privileged" I meant having caring parents and luck on his side in academics, along with getting out of tough situations that built up his ego. That's not exactly a road to happiness in of itself but I would say that is quite a fortune to have. Compared to Reis, it's easy to see why most people would side with Reis since he has the more tragic story, clutching onto someone who genuinely cares for him throughout his life. Luckily I played low-key in high-school, sort of like Reis, but I understand where you're coming from. I try to adhere to the same sort of wise words of Nick Carraway from The Great Gatsby: "Whenever you feel like criticizing someone, just remember that all the people in the world haven't had the same advantages you had."
Maybe that's why I might seem a little harsh on Marcus than on Reis, but I do not ignore Reis's own faults. What people generally have a problem with Marcus, ironically, is his possibly subconscious desire to dominate his lover's lifestyle. Now I'm not saying that all other arguments made for why he was upset are discredited; I just think that deep down there is some sort of pleasure he finds of knowing everything about Reis. That's why I decided to re-read Cruelty in the hopes that maybe I'd see something else in Marcus that would make him seem more likable, yet that thought of an accustomed leash on Reis's life is stuck in my head. Especially when you go back to the beginning of this comic where he jokes about what a crummy-ass job Reis has; sure, he's joking, but it's not exactly something you say to someone you know and love when they want to feel productive, not depressed and useless.
Eh... To be honest, I'm not sure where I stand on the civil rights issue in this comic, and I'm bi. On the one hand, I appreciate Rukis for not making religious bigots versus FERAL as black-and-white, it seems more interesting to the reader to evaluate the dilemma. On the other hand, I recall learning about basic political science of how we don't have rights, only limitations on what the government can and cannot due ( e.x. Amendment #1: "Congress shall make no law..." ), which is why I'm skeptical of things like Affirmative Action being used today. Does that mean I support inequality between such a simple matter as to whether or not love between two consensual adults? No, I am just not sure if it is something of high priority. Frankly I find it disheartening that we even have to battle for certain simple justices between citizens, but democracies (or a republic in the U.S. case) are very slow to change. My poli-sci professor, a former Conservative assistant for a Congressman, told me that he believes that between one and two decades the civil rights issues of same-sex marriage (or marriage equality if you prefer) will be accepted, and then, possibly, transgenders will be brought to the spotlight.
Still, that's no reason for everyone to sit on their ass and expect change to occur. I'm not a fan of radical groups relying on "BUT WE'RE OPPRESSED!" as an excuse to bring change to society, which is why I respect MLK for his civil disobedience tactics and not Malcolm X. Sympathy can be a great weapon if used properly, although it could also be useless without people to question certain unjust norms. As Malcolm X once said, "Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream is just that, a dream." Projects like It Gets Better are something I can appreciate, but I do not much care for it. I don't think saying "it gets better" is supportive enough, at least for me (but I could be cynical); people are going to be assholes, hateful and stupid at times, which is something I think should be accepted, not covered up with "it gets better."
Maybe that's why I might seem a little harsh on Marcus than on Reis, but I do not ignore Reis's own faults. What people generally have a problem with Marcus, ironically, is his possibly subconscious desire to dominate his lover's lifestyle. Now I'm not saying that all other arguments made for why he was upset are discredited; I just think that deep down there is some sort of pleasure he finds of knowing everything about Reis. That's why I decided to re-read Cruelty in the hopes that maybe I'd see something else in Marcus that would make him seem more likable, yet that thought of an accustomed leash on Reis's life is stuck in my head. Especially when you go back to the beginning of this comic where he jokes about what a crummy-ass job Reis has; sure, he's joking, but it's not exactly something you say to someone you know and love when they want to feel productive, not depressed and useless.
Eh... To be honest, I'm not sure where I stand on the civil rights issue in this comic, and I'm bi. On the one hand, I appreciate Rukis for not making religious bigots versus FERAL as black-and-white, it seems more interesting to the reader to evaluate the dilemma. On the other hand, I recall learning about basic political science of how we don't have rights, only limitations on what the government can and cannot due ( e.x. Amendment #1: "Congress shall make no law..." ), which is why I'm skeptical of things like Affirmative Action being used today. Does that mean I support inequality between such a simple matter as to whether or not love between two consensual adults? No, I am just not sure if it is something of high priority. Frankly I find it disheartening that we even have to battle for certain simple justices between citizens, but democracies (or a republic in the U.S. case) are very slow to change. My poli-sci professor, a former Conservative assistant for a Congressman, told me that he believes that between one and two decades the civil rights issues of same-sex marriage (or marriage equality if you prefer) will be accepted, and then, possibly, transgenders will be brought to the spotlight.
Still, that's no reason for everyone to sit on their ass and expect change to occur. I'm not a fan of radical groups relying on "BUT WE'RE OPPRESSED!" as an excuse to bring change to society, which is why I respect MLK for his civil disobedience tactics and not Malcolm X. Sympathy can be a great weapon if used properly, although it could also be useless without people to question certain unjust norms. As Malcolm X once said, "Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream is just that, a dream." Projects like It Gets Better are something I can appreciate, but I do not much care for it. I don't think saying "it gets better" is supportive enough, at least for me (but I could be cynical); people are going to be assholes, hateful and stupid at times, which is something I think should be accepted, not covered up with "it gets better."
What people generally have a problem with Marcus, ironically, is his possibly subconscious desire to dominate his lover's lifestyle.
Which I would say stems from a strong protective instinct. He's not trying to control Reis's life just because he's a domineering jerk. He's really just afraid of losing him the way he almost lost him once to jail and/or drugs. I think perhaps this recent development is more threatening to the security that having Reis provides him, which is why he's reacting the way he is.
Eh... To be honest, I'm not sure where I stand on the civil rights issue in this comic, and I'm bi.
Then you should understand that there are people in this country that hate you and view you as less than human.
On the one hand, I appreciate Rukis for not making religious bigots versus FERAL as black-and-white, it seems more interesting to the reader to evaluate the dilemma.
And I think a majority of readers have sorely misinterpreted the dilemma, opting to just settle on "everyone is just as bad as everyone else" instead of actually objectively looking at what's going on, because general consensus seems to be that yelling at someone on the street for protesting a funeral is just as bad as protesting the funeral itself. This floors me.
Does that mean I support inequality between such a simple matter as to whether or not love between two consensual adults? No, I am just not sure if it is something of high priority.
It's a pretty high priority if you're gay and you want to get married.
Frankly I find it disheartening that we even have to battle for certain simple justices between citizens, but democracies (or a republic in the U.S. case) are very slow to change.
Democracies and republics are not mutually-exclusive terms. The US is a representative democracy in that we elect lawmakers who then vote amongst themselves on laws and government affairs. A republic is essentially a state in which control is relegated to the people, rather than to a monarch or dictator. The underlying source behind this "the US is a Republic and not actually a democracy" thing basically started in the 90s as some kind of a really half-baked ploy by the Republican party to get uninformed people to associate their party, by meaningless nomenclature alone, with being the "correct" political party because "We're a Republic, not a democracy," and it's effectiveness in this regard makes me want to just put my fist through a window.
I'm not a fan of radical groups relying on "BUT WE'RE OPPRESSED!" as an excuse to bring change to society, which is why I respect MLK for his civil disobedience tactics and not Malcolm X.
MLK was all about taking to the streets and getting up in peoples' faces. Malcom X supported violent revolution, which means taking to the streets with guns. FERAL's tactics are more like MLK's than Malcom X's,
Which I would say stems from a strong protective instinct. He's not trying to control Reis's life just because he's a domineering jerk. He's really just afraid of losing him the way he almost lost him once to jail and/or drugs. I think perhaps this recent development is more threatening to the security that having Reis provides him, which is why he's reacting the way he is.
Eh... To be honest, I'm not sure where I stand on the civil rights issue in this comic, and I'm bi.
Then you should understand that there are people in this country that hate you and view you as less than human.
On the one hand, I appreciate Rukis for not making religious bigots versus FERAL as black-and-white, it seems more interesting to the reader to evaluate the dilemma.
And I think a majority of readers have sorely misinterpreted the dilemma, opting to just settle on "everyone is just as bad as everyone else" instead of actually objectively looking at what's going on, because general consensus seems to be that yelling at someone on the street for protesting a funeral is just as bad as protesting the funeral itself. This floors me.
Does that mean I support inequality between such a simple matter as to whether or not love between two consensual adults? No, I am just not sure if it is something of high priority.
It's a pretty high priority if you're gay and you want to get married.
Frankly I find it disheartening that we even have to battle for certain simple justices between citizens, but democracies (or a republic in the U.S. case) are very slow to change.
Democracies and republics are not mutually-exclusive terms. The US is a representative democracy in that we elect lawmakers who then vote amongst themselves on laws and government affairs. A republic is essentially a state in which control is relegated to the people, rather than to a monarch or dictator. The underlying source behind this "the US is a Republic and not actually a democracy" thing basically started in the 90s as some kind of a really half-baked ploy by the Republican party to get uninformed people to associate their party, by meaningless nomenclature alone, with being the "correct" political party because "We're a Republic, not a democracy," and it's effectiveness in this regard makes me want to just put my fist through a window.
I'm not a fan of radical groups relying on "BUT WE'RE OPPRESSED!" as an excuse to bring change to society, which is why I respect MLK for his civil disobedience tactics and not Malcolm X.
MLK was all about taking to the streets and getting up in peoples' faces. Malcom X supported violent revolution, which means taking to the streets with guns. FERAL's tactics are more like MLK's than Malcom X's,
Continuing: Malcom X advocated violent revolution. This was adapted from Karl Marx's theories surrounding violent proletarian revolution as being the only way to overthrow the bourgeoisie. Martin Luther King advocated a relatively more passive form of resistance that still involved going out and making a lot of noise. I see FERAL's actions being more in line with that. People thinking that FERAL is too overzealous don't know what overzealous is because they haven't studied any civil rights history.
I don't think saying "it gets better" is supportive enough, at least for me (but I could be cynical); people are going to be assholes, hateful and stupid at times, which is something I think should be accepted, not covered up with "it gets better."
It Gets Better wasn't intended to enact any social change and any sympathy it might muster up from the heteronormative majority is strictly incidental. It Gets Better was created with the hope that vulnerable gay kids suffering from bullying and prejudice might think twice about taking their own lives. The messages in those videos are designed to help those kids feel better about their situation.
I don't think saying "it gets better" is supportive enough, at least for me (but I could be cynical); people are going to be assholes, hateful and stupid at times, which is something I think should be accepted, not covered up with "it gets better."
It Gets Better wasn't intended to enact any social change and any sympathy it might muster up from the heteronormative majority is strictly incidental. It Gets Better was created with the hope that vulnerable gay kids suffering from bullying and prejudice might think twice about taking their own lives. The messages in those videos are designed to help those kids feel better about their situation.
I think Marcus is reacting to the whole situation instead of Thinking...
Oh you cant because its Dangerous.. (Meaning he doesnt want Reis killed) sows he just wants Reis safe... (But it does show a strong controlling instinct in him...
and "You are gay" (Meaning he knows being gay is dangerous in the police force) Does she he is aware of how Cops treat gays (Which is unbelievable since his whole organization is to support gays being allowed to do what ever they want while still being gay)
I accept that Reis didnt handle this well (Not telling Marcus what he was doing... but Reis does want to make something good with his life ... That's what hurts...
What does Marcus want Reis to do for a career? Fast food?
Oh you cant because its Dangerous.. (Meaning he doesnt want Reis killed) sows he just wants Reis safe... (But it does show a strong controlling instinct in him...
and "You are gay" (Meaning he knows being gay is dangerous in the police force) Does she he is aware of how Cops treat gays (Which is unbelievable since his whole organization is to support gays being allowed to do what ever they want while still being gay)
I accept that Reis didnt handle this well (Not telling Marcus what he was doing... but Reis does want to make something good with his life ... That's what hurts...
What does Marcus want Reis to do for a career? Fast food?
Who knows why he didn't tell him over the phone or text last week
You know what? You're right. You're absolutely right. We should just assume that he had a justifiable reason that we dare not question because Reis is supposed to be the sympathetic figure and Marcus is just a big asshole. I mean, Marcus KISSED HIM at WORK after Reis said seven pages earlier that he didn't mind public affection. That's crazy deceptive, especially compared to something hiding a life-altering decision from your partner and sole source of financial support.
No, Reis is perfect. He is my perfect wolfdog angel. Oh Reis, why do you cling so stubbornly to that asinine fennec fuck? If you have but one flaw, it is that you are blind to the truth that I am the one for you. Would that you could only see this and push him off a bridge so that we may fulfill our destiny as one entity. Would that I could jump into these pages that confine you and save you from that faggot Marcus, who is a cunt and no good for you at all. Would that we could away to a drawn approximation of my bedroom in my step dad's house and spend but one night of boundless ecstasy together, with your red hot dog rocket all up in my ass all goddamn night. Oh Reis, be my perfect wolfdog angel.
Naw, but seriously. They're both kind of in the wrong here.
You know what? You're right. You're absolutely right. We should just assume that he had a justifiable reason that we dare not question because Reis is supposed to be the sympathetic figure and Marcus is just a big asshole. I mean, Marcus KISSED HIM at WORK after Reis said seven pages earlier that he didn't mind public affection. That's crazy deceptive, especially compared to something hiding a life-altering decision from your partner and sole source of financial support.
No, Reis is perfect. He is my perfect wolfdog angel. Oh Reis, why do you cling so stubbornly to that asinine fennec fuck? If you have but one flaw, it is that you are blind to the truth that I am the one for you. Would that you could only see this and push him off a bridge so that we may fulfill our destiny as one entity. Would that I could jump into these pages that confine you and save you from that faggot Marcus, who is a cunt and no good for you at all. Would that we could away to a drawn approximation of my bedroom in my step dad's house and spend but one night of boundless ecstasy together, with your red hot dog rocket all up in my ass all goddamn night. Oh Reis, be my perfect wolfdog angel.
Naw, but seriously. They're both kind of in the wrong here.
I never said Reis wasn't doing something wrong, nor that Marcus was in the wrong. xD
You can think what you want of the public kiss, but you're still glancing over the fact that Reis HAS NOT accepted. He's taken a test and filled out an application. That's hardly selling his soul to the police force.
Also, I should have clarified beforehand; when I said "secretive" I was referring to the protest. Marcus even invited Reis to it without fessing up about what it really was. Meanwhile, Reis has... waited until he was home to tell Marcus about this idea. If Marcus is this opposed to his becoming a cop, and Reis no longer wishes to join, he is free to not join. Also, in the first few pages, Marcus states that Reis could be unemployed and it wouldn't matter, as Marcus has a trust fund.
"Who knows why..." You can't assume it was on purpose, just like I can't assume it was justifiable. It doesn't work that way.
So no, there are no "life-altering" decisions that have been made, nor any danger to their financial status.
"I can't help but find slightly disturbing the number of comments on here where people are personally addressing Marcus in the second person as though he can hear them."
"Oh Reis, why do you cling so stubbornly to that asinine fennec fuck?"
From my perspective, you both wrote it for the same reason; it sounds more dramatic.
You can think what you want of the public kiss, but you're still glancing over the fact that Reis HAS NOT accepted. He's taken a test and filled out an application. That's hardly selling his soul to the police force.
Also, I should have clarified beforehand; when I said "secretive" I was referring to the protest. Marcus even invited Reis to it without fessing up about what it really was. Meanwhile, Reis has... waited until he was home to tell Marcus about this idea. If Marcus is this opposed to his becoming a cop, and Reis no longer wishes to join, he is free to not join. Also, in the first few pages, Marcus states that Reis could be unemployed and it wouldn't matter, as Marcus has a trust fund.
"Who knows why..." You can't assume it was on purpose, just like I can't assume it was justifiable. It doesn't work that way.
So no, there are no "life-altering" decisions that have been made, nor any danger to their financial status.
"I can't help but find slightly disturbing the number of comments on here where people are personally addressing Marcus in the second person as though he can hear them."
"Oh Reis, why do you cling so stubbornly to that asinine fennec fuck?"
From my perspective, you both wrote it for the same reason; it sounds more dramatic.
My point is that Marcus has only ever been sneaky about little one-off things that don't have too tremendous an impact on their lives. Reis was sneaky about something inarguably huge, but the same people that wanted to crucify Marcus for what he did are suddenly defending Reis for doing the same goddamn thing to the nth power.
From my perspective, you both wrote it for the same reason; it sounds more dramatic.
Mine was a parody of theirs.
From my perspective, you both wrote it for the same reason; it sounds more dramatic.
Mine was a parody of theirs.
"You can't assume it was on purpose, just like I can't assume it was justifiable. It doesn't work that way."
If you just can't imagine how it wouldn't come up, here...
"Hi, baby? Yeah, I'm fine, I think I was the only family member who even went... Thank you, it means a lot. Listen, I think I'm gonna stay here another week. There's a few things I want to do before I leave. Thanks for understanding. I love you too."
Also, for the nth time... it wasn't huge. He filled out several sheets of paper and talked to a few people.
If you just can't imagine how it wouldn't come up, here...
"Hi, baby? Yeah, I'm fine, I think I was the only family member who even went... Thank you, it means a lot. Listen, I think I'm gonna stay here another week. There's a few things I want to do before I leave. Thanks for understanding. I love you too."
Also, for the nth time... it wasn't huge. He filled out several sheets of paper and talked to a few people.
And Marcus, overreacting slightly though he may be, is reacting nevertheless understandably since he's only just now had this bombshell dropped on him. It's a lot to take in. If Reis had told him about it right off the bat instead of taking the first steps, it would've made Marcus feel more included in the process and thus more secure in the decision, but he didn't. He basically really did just come back and say "yeah my mom died, btw I signed up to be a cop maybe."
In an argument over the motivations of gay dog people in a porn/romance comic, does it really matter? I mean, I could understand if this were something taking place on the Senate floor where discussion will affect decisions which will actually pertain to people's lives, but this is a Rukis comic on FurAffinity.
Ah, here we're getting into the deep stuff. I assume you've heard the saying about art reflecting life and vice versa, yes?
While it's true that this is a fictional work of art, it does affect our line of thoughts. It is not an implausible story, no? Earlier I came across a post saying that you believed most people empathized with Reis and not Marcus because they felt a connection with Reis (or was this irony?). When they put themselves in his shoes, they begin to think about their own choices and how it might play out instead. While still fictional, these stories still carry meanings, both intentional and accidental, from the artist to the audience.
Exploring the motivations amongst characters is no different than exploring the motivations between real, living people. (at least when they're written realistically)
Personally, a dramatic rendition of how a gay relationship can go wrong makes me think about my own relationship. As you have previously pointed out, there's massive amounts of miscommunication between the two, and it damages their relationship. (The audience, while having far too much time to express their own opinions on the situation, has become divisive because of this damage)
When I see this damage, it reminds me of how I need to be mindful of how I treat my partner, and therefore, my life is affected. Does that seem reasonable?
While it's true that this is a fictional work of art, it does affect our line of thoughts. It is not an implausible story, no? Earlier I came across a post saying that you believed most people empathized with Reis and not Marcus because they felt a connection with Reis (or was this irony?). When they put themselves in his shoes, they begin to think about their own choices and how it might play out instead. While still fictional, these stories still carry meanings, both intentional and accidental, from the artist to the audience.
Exploring the motivations amongst characters is no different than exploring the motivations between real, living people. (at least when they're written realistically)
Personally, a dramatic rendition of how a gay relationship can go wrong makes me think about my own relationship. As you have previously pointed out, there's massive amounts of miscommunication between the two, and it damages their relationship. (The audience, while having far too much time to express their own opinions on the situation, has become divisive because of this damage)
When I see this damage, it reminds me of how I need to be mindful of how I treat my partner, and therefore, my life is affected. Does that seem reasonable?
To expound upon the above, I grew up a gay liberal atheist in po-dunk churchy rural southern Illinois so I have an affinity for being opinionated and disagreeing with a lot of people. I happen to disagree with the rap that Marcus has been getting since page one, so I'm preachin it. I enjoy spirited debate and though I put a good amount of thought and effort into my posts, I don't take it seriously. I'd liken it to a boxer wailing on a punching bag for practice. Argumentation over anything, no matter how trivial subject matter, stimulates the intellect.
However, I must express issue with characterizing my posts as incorrect and non-constructive. Correctness doesn't matter terribly in a discussion of something as subjective and nebulous as fictional relationships, and there is not a goddamn thing in any comment on any page of this comic that I would consider remotely constructive, so the non-constructiveness of my posts should be a given.
However, I must express issue with characterizing my posts as incorrect and non-constructive. Correctness doesn't matter terribly in a discussion of something as subjective and nebulous as fictional relationships, and there is not a goddamn thing in any comment on any page of this comic that I would consider remotely constructive, so the non-constructiveness of my posts should be a given.
no I see it more as
he was given a chance and is scared because ... He might Fail at this too. If he blows THIS he wont have any self confidence to try ANYTHING..
So the last thing he needed was to 1) take a test on something and be PETRIFIED he will fail at it
2) have to listen to MARCUS' CRAP WHILE taking a test and being stressed out at this test.
Talking to Marcus is stressful as we have seen throughout this comic...
he was given a chance and is scared because ... He might Fail at this too. If he blows THIS he wont have any self confidence to try ANYTHING..
So the last thing he needed was to 1) take a test on something and be PETRIFIED he will fail at it
2) have to listen to MARCUS' CRAP WHILE taking a test and being stressed out at this test.
Talking to Marcus is stressful as we have seen throughout this comic...
how do you know that MAYBE Reis position and My position arent the same.
Maybe I am in tuned to Reis way of thinking
in order to see how Reis might feel
and MAYBE just maybe If Reis were hear right now he might agree with me and say "Yes Canius that is exactly why I did what I did":
I look to the sky.. and in the end "What the Hell are we arguing about?" the fact that MAYBE I think that REIS has a few EMOTIONAL reasons for not telling Marcus something...
Maybe I am in tuned to Reis way of thinking
in order to see how Reis might feel
and MAYBE just maybe If Reis were hear right now he might agree with me and say "Yes Canius that is exactly why I did what I did":
I look to the sky.. and in the end "What the Hell are we arguing about?" the fact that MAYBE I think that REIS has a few EMOTIONAL reasons for not telling Marcus something...
y kno
I have no idea what just happened since I Quietly was trying to voice how I saw things in this comic.. and then Wham...
Thanks to you I realize that I should NEVER respond to ANY of the things about this comic says seeing as How
I really do not feel comfortable with voicing my opinions any more... and I dont feel comfortable with the people that I am surrounded with...
For now on I am just going to keep Quiet and only Thank the Author and artist... It isnt safe here for me anymore...
I have no idea what just happened since I Quietly was trying to voice how I saw things in this comic.. and then Wham...
Thanks to you I realize that I should NEVER respond to ANY of the things about this comic says seeing as How
I really do not feel comfortable with voicing my opinions any more... and I dont feel comfortable with the people that I am surrounded with...
For now on I am just going to keep Quiet and only Thank the Author and artist... It isnt safe here for me anymore...
Now THIS is a great Cliff Hanger O_O
You can never be sure if Marcus actually gets hit or if Reis pushes Marcus out of the way and gets hit himself.
I just hope no one dies from this, though I doubt anyone will... It's slightly rare for die from this, unless it's big truck or something of that nature. I have a couple of friends get hit by a car and lived, true they suffered various types of injuries and were hospital ridden for weeks, one time a month.
You can never be sure if Marcus actually gets hit or if Reis pushes Marcus out of the way and gets hit himself.
I just hope no one dies from this, though I doubt anyone will... It's slightly rare for die from this, unless it's big truck or something of that nature. I have a couple of friends get hit by a car and lived, true they suffered various types of injuries and were hospital ridden for weeks, one time a month.
Apart from the incoming drama I am really supporting Reis on this. Marcus loves to protest and talk, but Reis is willing to put in the effort and not just be a toy-boy.
Yes, it is a dangerous world full of prejudices but there is 2 ways to handle that. One is protests and head on confrontation, and the other is gaining respect as a person and after that the fact that one is gay is tempered by that.
Just my observations
Marc
Yes, it is a dangerous world full of prejudices but there is 2 ways to handle that. One is protests and head on confrontation, and the other is gaining respect as a person and after that the fact that one is gay is tempered by that.
Just my observations
Marc
I really like this night scene.. the sky color.. the lighting of everything.. the stars are nice too.. You are really good at giving an atmosphere to your pieces I must say.. I think that it is very important as an artist and writer/storyteller.. I think that's why I like Peter Jackson so much.. he's also good at creating an atmosphere you can really feel and jump into
Marcus has shown tenancy to J-walk several times so far right when he's deep in thought and carelessly NOT paying attention..like when hes "making a point" its showing how "Unconditional" love is when someone jumps out in front of a moving vehicle to save your damn life!
AND THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T TAKE MARCUS TO NICE PLACES.
Lol. But in all seriousness. *ahem* Marcus. Marcus, Marcus, Marcus. Learn2besupports, kay? Seriously. I love Marcus. He's an interesting character, and he balances out Reis amazingly. He's nurturing and subtle, and would rather go for the political approach, whereas Reis is withdrawn and aggressive. He'll punch you in the nads over and over for justifiable reasons. But he could really have been more supportive of something that's giving Reis a drive towards a good PURPOSE. But no. No no.
On the one hand, I can understand how Marc feels right now. He's concerned for his lover and roommate, because being a police officer is a dangerous job. Every day a police officer is at risk of getting hurt, and I imagine in the town Marc and Reis live in, what with all the Pro-Gay and Anti-Gay group conflict, Reis will be in even more of a hard situation. But on the other...well, I think that Reis's history with jobs and his general history shows us that he needs some sort of structured, rigid environment to really flourish and act responsibly. If his job was more secure, if his home-life was more stable (what with Marc being kind of a needy guy, understandably so), I think this comic would have taken a much different route. But we can't have that, now can we? Going back to my original point, an intelligent creature like Marcus would eventually see the benefits. Hopefully, we'll get that chance to see it. @L@
I'm very anxious over what's going to happen in the next page. Knowing how your comics pan out, Rukis, we'll either see it in the next page, or get some action panels and THEN see it in the page after the next. XD Because you are a tease.
My last two-cents...does Reis ALWAYS happen to be walking out into a busy road whenever he's flustered and angry?! LOL! It seems that way! 8'D
Lol. But in all seriousness. *ahem* Marcus. Marcus, Marcus, Marcus. Learn2besupports, kay? Seriously. I love Marcus. He's an interesting character, and he balances out Reis amazingly. He's nurturing and subtle, and would rather go for the political approach, whereas Reis is withdrawn and aggressive. He'll punch you in the nads over and over for justifiable reasons. But he could really have been more supportive of something that's giving Reis a drive towards a good PURPOSE. But no. No no.
On the one hand, I can understand how Marc feels right now. He's concerned for his lover and roommate, because being a police officer is a dangerous job. Every day a police officer is at risk of getting hurt, and I imagine in the town Marc and Reis live in, what with all the Pro-Gay and Anti-Gay group conflict, Reis will be in even more of a hard situation. But on the other...well, I think that Reis's history with jobs and his general history shows us that he needs some sort of structured, rigid environment to really flourish and act responsibly. If his job was more secure, if his home-life was more stable (what with Marc being kind of a needy guy, understandably so), I think this comic would have taken a much different route. But we can't have that, now can we? Going back to my original point, an intelligent creature like Marcus would eventually see the benefits. Hopefully, we'll get that chance to see it. @L@
I'm very anxious over what's going to happen in the next page. Knowing how your comics pan out, Rukis, we'll either see it in the next page, or get some action panels and THEN see it in the page after the next. XD Because you are a tease.
My last two-cents...does Reis ALWAYS happen to be walking out into a busy road whenever he's flustered and angry?! LOL! It seems that way! 8'D
I think Marcus can't get over the fact that Reis is leaving him which is my opinion on the sitiation at the moment.....But then this happens.... This reminds me of a korean drama except the truck stops in time and the driver calls them idiots....Since the guy and the girl in the drama just hugged each other in the road before she got hit. (She walks on road, he sees car, he runs to her then hugs her right before the truck is ABOUT to hit)
If something like this happened then I'd be so happy....
If something like this happened then I'd be so happy....
Guys... you do realise that you don't need to PUSH someone out of the way of an oncoming car right? You can also grab them and pull them backwards, thus allowing BOTH parties to be more or less safe. It's harder, mostly due to instincts wanting to push, as well as needing enough speed and strength (already probably assured by a boost in adrenaline) to yank the person away.
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