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Actually this was supposed to be included in the info book, but I'm not really happy with the result, so I figured I'd upload it for now. Will be moved to scraps later.
Si'itian military doctrine is somewhat different from what we consider traditional. Rank for instance is promoted 50/50 by superiors and peers, same as any awards. The difference between ranks is not understood by orders, but by what role you play on the battlefield and hence basic training emphasizes a mutual dependence between subordinates and superiors upon eachother, rather than being a rigidly enforced hierarchy.
To lead by example is a core idea for Si'itian military leadership, hence superiors and instructors are expected to exceed their subordinates tasks in training exercises. What you see in this picture is a regular training run.
As you can see, the trainees are in light sportswear, while the instructor is not only wearing boots and full pants, but also carries his rifle, a tac-pad and a backpack.
With this much additional exertion you might wonder what the trainees motive is to not slack off and amuse themselves by watching their superior struggle with the weight. Well, he carries all their water in the backpack ... and in the heat of the Si'itian home world, water is an important asset to keep yourself functioning.
As I said, not entirely happy with how this turned out. Might re-do it eventually when hell freezes over.
Si'itians, designs and Art is © to iPoke
Si'itian military doctrine is somewhat different from what we consider traditional. Rank for instance is promoted 50/50 by superiors and peers, same as any awards. The difference between ranks is not understood by orders, but by what role you play on the battlefield and hence basic training emphasizes a mutual dependence between subordinates and superiors upon eachother, rather than being a rigidly enforced hierarchy.
To lead by example is a core idea for Si'itian military leadership, hence superiors and instructors are expected to exceed their subordinates tasks in training exercises. What you see in this picture is a regular training run.
As you can see, the trainees are in light sportswear, while the instructor is not only wearing boots and full pants, but also carries his rifle, a tac-pad and a backpack.
With this much additional exertion you might wonder what the trainees motive is to not slack off and amuse themselves by watching their superior struggle with the weight. Well, he carries all their water in the backpack ... and in the heat of the Si'itian home world, water is an important asset to keep yourself functioning.
As I said, not entirely happy with how this turned out. Might re-do it eventually when hell freezes over.
Si'itians, designs and Art is © to iPoke
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Natürlich, gehört alles zum Training dazu, man soll ja anderswo auch einsatzfähig sein. Sowas wird dann allerdings auch in demenstprechender Kleidung durchgeführt. Man ist zwar an sich gegen Erkältungen und Krankheitserscheinungen auch auf andere arten und weise geschützt, aber auch mit Fell werden große Übungsmärsche ab Gefrierpunkt in wärmerer Kleidung durchgeführt X3
Egh, it's too simple. The basic idea is there, but that's about it, it doesn't have the right feel that I wanted it to have o.o
Yes, it will be up for sale, but I will have to put it together first and that might still take a while, so don't sit on your thumbs just yet :3
Yes, it will be up for sale, but I will have to put it together first and that might still take a while, so don't sit on your thumbs just yet :3
now that brings back memories... then I found out that My DI's pack had a pillow in it so they could run back and forth yelling at us to walk faster, don't run, walk.
"To lead by example is a core idea for Si'itian military leadership, hence superiors and instructors are expected to exceed their subordinates tasks in training exercises."
This is a great mindset, works well and boosts morale. Nothing crushes morale faster than the appearance that NCO's and Officers shirking duties. Interesting ideas though on advancement. Fan of Heinlein?
"To lead by example is a core idea for Si'itian military leadership, hence superiors and instructors are expected to exceed their subordinates tasks in training exercises."
This is a great mindset, works well and boosts morale. Nothing crushes morale faster than the appearance that NCO's and Officers shirking duties. Interesting ideas though on advancement. Fan of Heinlein?
I have to admit I've never had the chance to read Heinlein, but I suppose he has his name for a reason, doesn't he ;3
I don't know where you served, I did two weeks before I was cut from boot in finnland, so my experience might be very different, but I had the luck of having a set of well balanced instructors for that time.
I don't know where you served, I did two weeks before I was cut from boot in finnland, so my experience might be very different, but I had the luck of having a set of well balanced instructors for that time.
well, with all things there is a reason. in our case you couldn't reasonably expect our DI's to carry a full pack while accounting for half an over sized training platoon, while maintaining a forced pace for 3 days strait, on less food, water, and sleep. Training is all an illusion carefully crafted to push people harder and further than they would normally be comfortable going.
As for Heinlein, if you get the chance to do enjoy a few of his works. The one I was specifically referring to though was Starship Troopers; no relation to the travesties of movies by the same name. You might find some of the ideas interesting.
I've had the pleasure of having worked with a few Finnish soldiers. They certainly had high work ethic and only the British Marines seemed to have more Morale.
As for Heinlein, if you get the chance to do enjoy a few of his works. The one I was specifically referring to though was Starship Troopers; no relation to the travesties of movies by the same name. You might find some of the ideas interesting.
I've had the pleasure of having worked with a few Finnish soldiers. They certainly had high work ethic and only the British Marines seemed to have more Morale.
There is that, though from what my experience was in basic, many people don't take to the training well. Maybe partially because we still have a draft system and most people consider military service to be an outdated unnecessary chore, rather than something you might actually learn something from.
I've only seen the first movie in full, which I enjoyed for a fun flick, even if it did have that flair of cheap about it. The second one I started, but never finished and probably never will, considering how horrible the first 2 minutes were X3
As you said though, they don't stick with the material they were based on, which is a common flaw with movies based on books, so we'll see, maybe I'll get around to grabing a copy somewhere.
As for the Finnish soldiers ethic; It doesn't surprise me. As much as I said I had witnessed people who saw the service more as a chore than an opportunity, the people who did go on to become instructors (and probably eventually enlisted personell) were generally very motivated.
I've only seen the first movie in full, which I enjoyed for a fun flick, even if it did have that flair of cheap about it. The second one I started, but never finished and probably never will, considering how horrible the first 2 minutes were X3
As you said though, they don't stick with the material they were based on, which is a common flaw with movies based on books, so we'll see, maybe I'll get around to grabing a copy somewhere.
As for the Finnish soldiers ethic; It doesn't surprise me. As much as I said I had witnessed people who saw the service more as a chore than an opportunity, the people who did go on to become instructors (and probably eventually enlisted personell) were generally very motivated.
as bad as the second one was, the third brought it back to the roots of the first (though it gets a little lost on its way) but I would still recommend the book. Its a book on war, but the actual fighting is only mentioned a few times. its really more about how the military culture he created, the technology they use, tactics, training, recruitment... quite interesting, which is why I think you would enjoy it. but that's enough of me rambling on the subject, i'm sure its tiring. Beautiful piece again. Really love all the work you do and how thought out your universe is, gives a lot of soul to your works. Looking forward to your next productions.
They are a meritocracy. "You only get what you actually earn."
There would have to be an underlying ethic to prevent the kinds of bias that can come from "assumed merit". They have to believe in something and at least try to be worthy of it. Not necessarily a religious motive or image, but certainly the best version of what they believe they are and can be.
There would have to be an underlying ethic to prevent the kinds of bias that can come from "assumed merit". They have to believe in something and at least try to be worthy of it. Not necessarily a religious motive or image, but certainly the best version of what they believe they are and can be.
Somewhere between a meritocracy and a hierachy. Rank still exists, but it's percieved differently.
Of course you're right though, this system can only work with a very specific kind of mindset, which is essentially what I build Si'itian society on. As aliens, they have a very different mindset about their existence and morality in the Universe than we do (or what I expect us to be like in several hundred years when we eventually meet them, at least in my verse X3 )
Of course you're right though, this system can only work with a very specific kind of mindset, which is essentially what I build Si'itian society on. As aliens, they have a very different mindset about their existence and morality in the Universe than we do (or what I expect us to be like in several hundred years when we eventually meet them, at least in my verse X3 )
Personal experience, only place in the US Army where rank was "rigidly enforced" with the infantry. Though they say things are a changing and a changing for the worst from what my buddy who's still in says, and the way they explained it before my contract was up, was that they're going back to the way shit was in Vietnam. Yeah... I foresee a mass exodus of the Army when those changes are supposed to go into effect.
Now as I was saying, as a 25 Sierra (Satellite Communications System Operator Maintainer) of Specialist rank (E4) I and like 4 other Specialists were in charge of the 1st Cavalry Division's and even Brigade's Northern Iraq's satellite communication network for over a year, a position usually filled by an E6 or Staff Sergeant for the rest of you who may read this. Our immediate "superiors" never required us to stand at parade rest when addressing them, in fact the only people who we typically went to parade rest or attention for was our First Sergeant and our Officers, but most of the time our Officers didn't care about us going to attention for them either. It was a wonderfully casual experience, till they changed out our First Sergeant and he started enforcing all kinds of rules none of us had even heard about before, and I'm talking over the course of 3 years never heard about before. But that's neither here nor there, just adding my perspective as your comparison seems awfully broad and vague.
Now as I was saying, as a 25 Sierra (Satellite Communications System Operator Maintainer) of Specialist rank (E4) I and like 4 other Specialists were in charge of the 1st Cavalry Division's and even Brigade's Northern Iraq's satellite communication network for over a year, a position usually filled by an E6 or Staff Sergeant for the rest of you who may read this. Our immediate "superiors" never required us to stand at parade rest when addressing them, in fact the only people who we typically went to parade rest or attention for was our First Sergeant and our Officers, but most of the time our Officers didn't care about us going to attention for them either. It was a wonderfully casual experience, till they changed out our First Sergeant and he started enforcing all kinds of rules none of us had even heard about before, and I'm talking over the course of 3 years never heard about before. But that's neither here nor there, just adding my perspective as your comparison seems awfully broad and vague.
It is by no means specific, I'll admit. My personal experience, as short as it was, was actually very positive of my superiors, even if our Batallion Commander might have spent a year or two too many with the company, but I guess everyone handles it differently.
As I never made it into full service I can only speculate on what it might have been like for me, but I have several friends who've told me both the good and bad sides of what their experience has been like and I've seen flaws and benefits of many kinds. Admitedly, what you're describing is very much like what I expect any organization, be it military or civilian to work like. It all depends on who you end up working with. The Batallion Commander I mentioned previously was probably one of the toughest people I've ever had to deal with officially, but I did experience what I would call a human side of him when we handled my sign out paperwork.
As I never made it into full service I can only speculate on what it might have been like for me, but I have several friends who've told me both the good and bad sides of what their experience has been like and I've seen flaws and benefits of many kinds. Admitedly, what you're describing is very much like what I expect any organization, be it military or civilian to work like. It all depends on who you end up working with. The Batallion Commander I mentioned previously was probably one of the toughest people I've ever had to deal with officially, but I did experience what I would call a human side of him when we handled my sign out paperwork.
Such a strong illustrative style. It reminds me a lot of the work of Vince DeFate who had a strong technical background, but could mix in fantasy elements in so well. I kinda like how the "Top" has his boots on, while the others have to work out bare pawed on the hot tarmac.
Speaking from experience both as a former US Marine, and a manager in several intensive and demanding jobs; /nothing/ enforces respect, and discipline better then being the one who first gets down and dirty with the grunts, then later giving the same orders to do the same. Many times I've had to do some rather nasty work, or unmentionable duties and I made sure that anyone who was under me was right there along side while I pulled my own weight, and lead by example. Only by that action were those I lead willing to show the same respect to me that I showed to them. It is indeed a very give and take establishment.
A well done piece.
A well done piece.
Differently yes, but not in this case. Leading by example follows quite well.
Additionally - "...what the trainees motive is to not slack off..." - I would wager any creature with a sense of honour/respect would not act in such a way towards the person training them, especially if they were accepted into a hierarchical militarized organization such as this in the first place.
Additionally - "...what the trainees motive is to not slack off..." - I would wager any creature with a sense of honour/respect would not act in such a way towards the person training them, especially if they were accepted into a hierarchical militarized organization such as this in the first place.
if you've ever watched a D.I. run a bunch of recruits into the ground, get them dusty, dirty, wore out... and he's not even managed to Break A Sweat... than you know you have one BAD ASS Mother F-er, and it'll inspire the troops to work harder to prove that they are at LEAST as good as the Mechanical Monstrosity known to them only as 'Gunny'
not only will Gunny run your tail into the dirt, He'll do it carrying a 30kilo pack on his shoulders, Singing cadence, chewing the noobs out, and shouting the entire time with a SMILE
not only will Gunny run your tail into the dirt, He'll do it carrying a 30kilo pack on his shoulders, Singing cadence, chewing the noobs out, and shouting the entire time with a SMILE
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