fender!

Why do I feel as if this story is rather one sided from the man >.>

Why not? It's exactly how corporations like this worked. Only giving their side of the story and silencing the opposition.

Isn't that the point? Each side telling their own biased story.

Oh Fender~

Fender and Neer :o

Still the humans fault. They would have never had to resort to that riot if humans hadn't been such condescending dickwads =/ I hope the AAC gets killed off by someone. I'd be glad to do it.

Um. In the sixth panel, the one on the bottom right. It says "It go bloody," in the last sentence. Shouldn't it be "It got bloody"?

Them using their magic to alter more than their species, and becoming too powerful seems like a much better reason for all the hatred than them just being furries...

Really, humans hate a lot. Humans hate humans just for the sake of having different skin color, or different beliefs about politics or religion. Hating furs because they're furs? Seems pretty reasonable to me. If you don't think humans hate furs, go spend a week on 4chan.

Its a very believable hatred since if they can't comprehend it they will be worried by it and eventually dislike it.

That doesnt really change that the whole GRRRR WE HATE YOU CAUSE YOURE DIFFERENT plotljne is horribly cliche and over done, especially since its somrthing like this.

not at all, actually. It's full of tropes, but it is not cliche. This is establishing a world based on past events. If you know your history, you know that this sort of event is more than possible, under the circumstances.

Don't like it? Move on. Hate to sound rude by saying that, but it's pretty much the only thing you can do. It may be overdone, but the fact is that the hatred is real outside of this fantasy situation (As in, yes, there are humans that do fear furs and think what the are is despicable). Remember that you're also making the assumption that "all humans must hate furries", which is not true, and has never been stated in the manga. Only some of the people in the AAC have been stated to hate them, and it's been shown that some other humans fear them, but don't confuse that to mean "Every human ever hates furs".

While I agree with some points you're making, don't you think "Don't like it? Move on." Is kind of much. I had noticed you've been pretty much giving that to people who simply want answers.

If they were commenting for the sake of stating an opinion, there's no reason to shoo them off.

People are allowed to have opinions, and can say whatever it is they like so long as they aren't trying to be offensive. I mean, that's just my standpoint on this.

I personally don't think the story was that great from the beginning chapter, and wanted some explanation. I feel the cliche of humans hating furries because they're different was a tired story element, especially in a furry comic, and I wanted to know why.

I'm glad the author is actually providing it in a very realistic way, since that actually does reflect how most people view the fandom in general.

I hate to burge in, but most people don't hate furs. It's psycologically proven that furs are people that grew up with certain problems. Most 'normal' people just don't give a damn to understand how someone who has certain psycology lives and thinks. It's the same for those addicted to gambling, drug addicts, people with eating disorders. Briefly, I don't think alot of people really hate furs, and while those surely exist (There had been threats flying around Deviantart) I never heard of someone actually doing much for real. If they do, u can even go to court as a real human, with personal preferences and have the judge take care of it.

And to explain. This comic is unique, it's full of action without any smart or realistic motivation going on. Personally I am hooked up. If u are in this page after so many pages which u don't like, then I'd say u are hooked up too :)

Well for starters, I never said that all people hate furries. I was saying that the comic itself is basically taking "Furries aren't normal and are looked down upon by the general public", and making it into a plausible storyline.

As for the story being unique, I don't believe it is all that unique. Gill has done this before many years ago, but it wasn't 'til now that he actually is going further with it, and taking it somewhere.

There's nothing unique about a comic full of action without any "smart or realistic motivation going on" as you put it. There are Shonen mangas that are chock full of action scenes. So I don't see what makes this stand out very much.

The concept itself is interesting and I'm glad Gill is actually bothering to explain shit rather than having random things happening just cause.

If that kind of thing is what most of the watchers really enjoy, then good for them. I'm just sitting back and reading to see where it goes, if it goes somewhere, etc. That doesn't mean I'm hooked, I'm just curious.

Don't get me wrong, Gill is a great artist and it shows with every upload he puts on FA. That doesn't necessarily make his Manga the best thing ever written in the history of this furry fandom. It's got great visuals and the concepts for the original characters are interesting, and have that One Piece feel to them, which I guess makes sense, since Gill himself likes One piece. I just felt that the first chapter was throwing a lot in peoples' faces, and everyone was too busy ogling how hot the fat bear was. So much was happening and it just served to do nothing but raise questions one after the other.

I can honestly say that if Gill didn't use this chapter to give back story, I couldn't see the story being very strong. Again, my opinion.

Not to say that I disagree with your other points, but saying "It's psychologically proven that furs are people that grew up with certain problems" is a really bold and wild statement to make. I would very much disagree with that, because that can be translated into the idea of "All furries are messed up", which is not the case. That's like saying "All gay people are gay because something fucked them up from being straight" -- a statement which would be untrue.

"Don't like it? Move on." is really just another way of saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all." This is the golden rule you learn in kindergarten and as a cub. People are free to their opinions, and they can think whatever they want, but stating that they dislike something for the sake of "it's too cliche" or "it's been done before" is rude and really annoying to the artist who works hard on what they're doing. It devalues the work the artist puts in by making them feel they aren't creative, and is really disheartening to hear people bitch and complain -- especially about something they're receiving -for free- and that is of higher quality than a lot of the stuff you can find out there.

I don't hate on people for stating their opinion, but I feel there's some validity in saying "If you don't like it, then either tough it up and pay attention to the things you do like about it, or move on to something else." I am not getting on the case of people who offer constructive criticism, but there's a big difference in saying "Oh, this seems kinda confusing and could be done more effectively, but there are ways you can fix it such as ____ and ____" and "I dislike that and you're not doing it right".

True, I agree that when a person is merely commenting just for the sake of pointing out what they don't like, they could at the very least find something about the subject matter they do like, and point that out. Otherwise, they just come off as complainers. I get that loud and clear.

As far as Range's comment though, I think he was just overlooking the point of what you were trying to say, and was too focused on the fact Furries were outright hated on sight instead of looking at it in the bigger picture of things.

Even still though, I don't think there's really much wrong with pointing out a few inconsistencies or errors in something. To me, it seems like they're just as much immersed in the comic they've been following as everyone else, and are just adding their own couple of cents. Granted, I know others aren't like this, and are deliberately looking for any excuse to call out the artist who's trying his or her best, and I can see where that can be an issue, Especially on the artist who's really just trying to have a good time.

But Artists are going to deal with people who have an issue whether they like it or not. Some people just have their own opinions, and it'd be unfair to silence them, especially if they're not outright saying "Your comic sucks ass", because if that were the case, and they're just being dicks about it, then yeah, they shouldn't bother commenting if their only reason for commenting was to be rude. If that kind of behavior insists even after they were asked to stop, then the artist can simply block them.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out errors and inconsistencies, no. It can get annoying, but there's nothing wrong with it. Again, though, I would point out there's a difference between opinion and constructive criticism. Constructive criticism gives perspective into things and why they could use more explanation or change, while opinion doesn't really help in that regard, and really isn't useful or needed to know.

Really, I guess the reason why I'm jumping on people at this moment is because this manga is still essentially in its infancy, and pointing out all the flaws really does no good because it hasn't had a chance to develop very far and explain itself fully in plot or characters. My quarrel is that people need to give things time to settle, rather than demand perfection right off the bat, and saying things like "This isn't working" without giving explanation as to why and/or how it could be changed for the better really is kinda worthless.

However, your right, I may have jumped the gun on Range. That being said, I still don't agree with his statement of "They hate them because they're different is not a good plot device". Considering hatred of people being different has sparked the majority of wars through history, if not all of them, I think it would be a rather valid reason.

Well, that and "They hate them because they're different" has been the bases for many movies and specials, and hasn't gotten old to the point people stop watching them. It may not be a "good plot device", but that hasn't stopped the money from flowing when people go to see such things.

I think Range just misses the point sometimes, and can be pretty stubborn. I wouldn't take it very seriously.

In regard to the whole "all humans must hate furries" thing, since Trigger has pretty much covered everything else, while it doesnt once say that they all hate them, we have yet to see ANY evidence supporting otherwise. So far every reaction to a furry has been negative, from thtowing up out of fear, to screaming bloody murder, to calling in SWAT to take care of it. None of that tells me that not everyone hates them.

And so far, this is easily the best panel as far as the story. It gives the humans a buch better reason than the cliche of being different. They were getting to powerful, and they even went out of their way to hurt innocents and kill a little girl.

Um the whole "hurting innocent people and killing a little girl" is told from point of view. The people getting hurt could have happened while the furs were trying to escape and unintentionally ran into/knock over people in the process. As for the whole killing a little girl that could have been(and most likely is) an accident, in the hysteria someone, fur or human, could have knocked the girl into on coming traffic.
Naturally the furs were blamed because they were feared.

Accident or not, innocents were hurt. That's enough to throw out propaganda to say that furries are evil and give a much better reason for the hate than just hating for the sake of being different.

You have yet to see any support otherwise because the manga is only less than a chapter and a half in. You haven't given enough time for the plot to fully develop, and keep in mind that while Gill is very professional about her work, she is not actually a licensed professional -- this isn't a published manga, she is not getting paid for it, and she has other things in her time other than the manga to deal with. She's doing this for fun, and before anyone goes off on saying "That's no reason that things like this shouldn't be worked out!", yes, it is exactly a good reason as to it. It's like complaining that a cover band that doesn't get paid is not doing as good of a job as a professional band.

People need to suck up the fact that some things haven't been explained thoroughly yet, and that yes, some things will be and are cliche. You're getting this manga for free after all, so why would you complain?

I'm sorry, but thats a bullshit excuse. Just because you're not getting paid for it doesnt mean you shouldnt do your best with it.

Well take into account that Gill hasn't exactly gotten as far into a story as he has now. Perhaps the story-telling part just isn't his strong suit and he's just going one step at a time. He's learning as he's doing this, so it's to be expected that he isn't pushing out grade-A Manga work. The effort's still there.

Actually, yes, it is. Who are you to demand that someone give you perfection for free? That seems rather selfish to demand.

That being said, I never said Gill isn't doing her best. My comment was based on the fact that you can't expect someone who isn't even getting paid to -be- perfect and do everything right, or in a way that suits -you- best. She does not necessarily have the tools at her disposal to hire someone to make sure the plot is well done, nor does she necessarily have the experience to make a perfect story. You can't legitimately and justifiably expect an amateur (No matter how professional their work is, and while Gill is very good at what she does, she has not reached actual professional status) to do the same work as professionals. That's like expecting someone who's really good at making home movies to go out and do just as good of a job as a professional studio in making the next oscar winning movie -- it's unreasonable, and it's insane.

I'm sorry that I disagree with you. This plotline isn't feeling cliche at all it uses tropes yes but a lot of storylines do, calling it cliche kinda makes it sound as if its tiresome which in this case it isn't.

Not necessarilly. Just because something is cliche doesn't make it a bad thing.

Sometimes using a cliche is all you can do sometimes. It just depends how you use it. Not everything is original these days.

I'll just tell you on messenger.

What do you need to tell me on messenger that you can't simply tell me through note, if it's that important?

My mistake. I just thought you would be on messenger so I could say it then.

I posted this once before, but Gill hid it. The difference is that one is a trope, and another is cliche. One look at the front page of Tvtropes.org can tell you that. Tropes are plot devices that the reader/watcher can expect. Cliches are stereotypical and boring.
A trope would be the "They got too powerful"
A cliche is "We hate then cause they're different"

Consider this; they become real life furries by way of magic. Online, most people who make furry avatars, also want their avatars to have abilities and such. that much is just explained in the comic as them getting too powerful than they really should be.

I think that's a good reason to be feared, especially if one isn't willing to comprehend what it is they don't understand. It may be a cliche, but that doesn't make it bad. It definitely makes a lot more sense in the contents of this Manga Gill is working on, so really, what is the problem?

Perhaps you should stop spending so much time on TV tropes, dude.

I had said to begin with that I liked them.getting too powerful as a reason to be hated and feared as opposed to them just being furries. They have a legit reason now other than hating for.hates sake.

See what happens when you get exposition? So there was nothing to really complain about, was there?

4chan doesn't hate fur anthros per se, they hate furries. Kind of like the difference between hating real live klingons and hating trekkies.

I smell a setup... o.o;

Not that I am siding with the humans, but I wonder what would have happened if the roles were reversed. Imagine if the world originally populated by Anthros, and it was the anthros who were wanting to be transformed into humans. Would we have the same outcome, with the anthros trying to repress the humans because they're different?

evolution is a funny thing, ain't it? I could theorize, but it's 6 am and I wanna get back to sleep...

Hmm, I like the AAC's theme of the black hat with the white band around the rim.

"Deep inside we all bleed, don't we?"

Who gets turned into Fender? That's what I wanna know. :3c

That truck looks familiar.

.... I still feel like that younger guy is gonna end up doing /something, lol... XD I may not like how things went in the past, but it's great bavkground for the story. excellent work, Gill

LOL DRAGONEER AND FENDER XD Run Dragoneer, run!

Mr Zedd has the best hat

I agree with the comment above me that is a fancie hat and these comic is rely nice I like the layout of the panels and the story so far (even do it is RIGHT TO LEFT)

Wow, really good comic, actually better than some of the magna's I've read recently ^^

-Please keep makin these, there awesome

Will there be corgis? :O

I think you may need to cut down on the amount of text in your comic. There's way too much and it's a slog to get through, especially when we're forced to read it the wrong way round (unless the comic was originally in japanese and is being translated for posting here?)

I think going forward, being a bit more succinct in the dialogue (if your dialogue is overflowing your speech bubbles, it's probably time to edit it) and showing us more is probably the best way to go. Right now I don't feel hooked to the story, I haven't been shown any of the actual meat of the story, but just the villains(?) of the story talking about how bad furries are. I don't know anything about them, either. Just that the older one uses a humidifier, and the younger one swears a lot. I know that setting material is important, but I think it could be better served by showing us a slice of one of these furry's existance.

Don't be afraid to hold back all the setting material if showing a little is more evocative. Furries being harrassed and discriminated against? That's something a character in the story could experience, and then we'd empathise with them, and by proxy, the cause of the furries. And that is what's most important when thinking about a comic - the characters come first, the setting later. We've seen a small cut to a panda riding a dragon(?), and really that didn't make much sense to me, it seemed arbitrarily placed, and it doesn't go anywhere.

Don't get me wrong, the art in the comic is fine, the character designs are fine, but the writing needs work. Using furry discrimination wouldn't usually be my cup of tea, but anything can be good if it's well executed. And I think this comic, too, could be great if it were handled with a little more elegance. I would love to know more about the 10 year old with the stitched up teddy bear. I would love to know about the old robotnik dude. I would not like to know about their thoughts about furries. We know that, it's established already with the fact that they are part of a militant organisation whose dogma is in their name. I don't quite believe that the boy hasn't heard their backstory yet, especially if he's wearing their colours.

So to sum up, nice art, I would like to know more about the characters, and not about what they believe. What does the kid do? What are his hobbies? What's his day to day life about? What about the older man? Why does he have a humidifier? I don't think we need to stop their story just as it's getting started to launch into exposition, I was enjoying their interaction before the expodump.

yah agreed, i had the same problem then found out no one really want to read a novle when its a comic. just have to condense the idea ot thoght. if you need more tex you brake it up on that page or spred it to the next.

You didn't read the first chapter. It says chapter 1, but there was a prologue that was more about action, and the anthros. The villains didn't get introduced until the end of that chapter. So now this seems to be explaining some things we didn't get at first.

It's how it's doing it which I think is inelegant, not the fact that it is doing it at all.

And I read the first chapter. It also suffered the same "too much text" thing. I never really got the sense of the characters, especially not the human ones.

no sadly i did not read the fist chapter. (i have to rush throw things, dont have much time really)
i was agreeing on to much tex. yes you get to know more of whats happening and more character development, but most readers dont want to read a book full of dialog.
if you look at any manga or comic the tex is condensed.
unless its like DEATH NOTE or some thing.
im just saying what i know.

I really have to agree with this statement.

The characters will be developed more over time, so do not fret. They've only just been introduced, so you can't expect their entire back-story to be explained with their introduction. That, and if the entire chapter was back-story, people would probably be bored by it since people also want to get back to the story that was being developed in the previous chapter. The meat has yet to be really developed cause it's only the intro to the story -- when you consider the text and stuff that happened in the previous chapter, it's like watching the first episode of an anime series, and often the plot is not entirely laid bare and the characters are not fully developed in the first episode. Just have some patience, and you'll get more of what you're looking for.

As for the amount of text, I know Gill is re-evaluating that and deciding if it's going to be cut down. The reason this one was so wordy is because a lot was being explained in one page, and it became a debate whether it was just going to be something that needed to go through fast, or something that needed more time with it -- the problem is, you could stretch all this content and information on this page into probably a chapter alone. It probably won't be often you see text as thick and dense as you do in this page, cause it is a manga after all, not a novel.

Also, on the cut to the panda riding on the dragon, it makes sense given you read the last chapter.

its looking good so far but there is a problem with your word bubbles more your tex you may want to bring your wording more in, if this ever goes in book form you will have some tex croped off, bring it in as far in as the white strip on your right (good job on that spacing) more info of comic ruleS here>>>
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5190035/

good luck and keep it up^^

It seems you are recieving a ton of criticism, Gill, but I still love this manga and I encourage you to keep going no matter what anyone says. The criticisms are valid, but the story has only just begun so there is so much more left to show and tell.

If anything, I am in suspense and wondering how Gill is going to save Banga charging headlong by herself into danger like this... These higher ranking AAC members look dangerous as it is, and I feel you should've brought a long some friends to help you.

This really is an awesomely drawn manga with great characters. I don't care if the plot is overdone or not, I had to deal with my brother TELLING ME that I am hurting my soul for being a sexual furry and not "innocent"... so I technically have way more reason to feel attached to this comic than most, since I have a crazy conservative brother to deal with in my life. (He's still a good guy, just not right in the head being mentally ill.)

Keep up the good work, hun!

Hah this shit is epic <3

If this manga was sold in bookstores, it could be at any price, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

I sence that the gilr wasn't pushed more like she fled and ran into that truck. Course humans have this nasty power to twist things around to support their cause. Look at who started the brawl - a human.

Poor little Susie whats-her-face.

Okay, so I see fender, dragoneer, and someone else. Is the third person inkbunny?

why cant the people and the furries just be FRIENDSSSS D':

Hahaaa, Dragoneer cameo, I love it. x3

Of course it is Fender. Who else could have the bloodlust to kill a small child? :P

I personally think it would be SWEET to get magic and turn furry. I mean seriously. Magic could just as easily cure a lot of deformities. Imagine burn victims! I don't know about cancer, but you find magic, everyone would be changing. Even if for only small ways. And i can't imagine the coalition doesn't use magic. It is to much of a threat to not have it on their side in some way, right? This does make me wonder though, why did Banga drive all the way to the mall before changing human? Was he not seen? Does his car have holograms? Will magic impede the advancement to technology? Does every furry have the ability of magic like Gill, or just some? Are furries in a inter-dimensional pocket? Why does that man need so much humidity? Is he part fish? I find it sad that people would still judge the many on the actions of the few. It happens every day, but still. It's sad. Fender! Why did you have to push that small child?!? (No. I don't think he actually did, but i am in a good mood so i have decided to be dramatic. I am a furry after all. Drama to me is like a fish to water... just like that MAN! :P) How many years ago was this? I probably missed it. Was Gill around when this all happened? Do we see pre-anthro Gill? :O I wonder if the furries have developed a actual working diet pill? or if they even needed to because they are magic and might have magic metabolisms. Would the fight have happened if Fender wasn't wearing a tie? Nothing to grab onto. It's possible that Fender's tie is the root of all this evil. Is it a magic tie? Coincidentally, I am taking a psychology class and we have to take part in these studies called AAC's. If i wanted to make everything about me (and why not? My comment could easily be glazed over and no harm, no fowl. :D) I could say that that acronym refers to the psychological tension between furries and other people in the real life. I know that Gill already said this is a comic based on this just taken to a really far extent, but the acronym people, THE ACRONYM!

Alright. i am done. Yay. :D

lol this made me laugh <3 thank you i needed that <3

Always happy to make a smile. ^_^

Im loving this so far keep em coming gill :)

Why is it I can never understand some people's logic? It sounds to me like the ACC started this one. I mean if that guy didn't start a fight then none of the results would have occurred either. But when you're narrowed minded I guess it doesn't matter. And it's not like most of them weren't doing anything illegal either. Of course this is just a comic and we need dramatic tensions like this.

I'm so glad that you're continuing this.

*sigh* Gill, your comic is wonderful so far, I can't see anything that needs to be changed that just comes down to things people like or dislike. I hope to see more of your original ideas, and am eager to read more<3

Gill read One Piece? Now that make sense! Most characters Oda does would always one way or another give flat-out annoying misunderstanding, and now I could see it here! Great manga, it's actually very practical enough to put on public in my opinion. And I do like having some of "human vs fur" thing explanation.

Run Fender run!

I have a feeling that the little girl will be part of a surprise plot twist.

Which I'm looking forward to. B) I can't wait!!

Gillpanda Reads One Piece. ? No wonder the old man seemed familiar. Anyway about the story... Kudos for giving Humans a geniuine reason to fear Anthros, but I feel like that there's an issue that's always ignored in these kinds of stories of non-special people battling special people: that the special people might actually be a danger to the non-special through abuse of power, negligence or overwhelming numbers. Think about it: How would it feel if to be at an office job where everyone is psychic but you?

(Cont...) or living in a neighborhood where a special person can kill everyone near them if (s)he's having a bad day. or a special who wakes up one morning and says "Y'know what would make today a great day? a good old fashion rampage!". Look, I'm not saying the Anthros do all these things, i'm just saying that the humans believe they might do them and continue to fear them because of it. I actually do like this story, i'm just tired of the non-special getting a bad rap in these stories.

The thing is that you can still do all of that without powers.

This is just too hilarious.

This whole thing started because of one thing:fear.

Humans feared furries because they were different, unnatural. Thus, they were perceived as a danger to humans and the world as a whole as their numbers grew.

It's hard for me to tell exactly who the good guys and bad guys are. The furries' power was growing continuously before the riot. Was it entirely wrong for the humans to be worried about their growing power?

Why did the furries even refuse to comply, anyway?

Are antros real? |

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And I really don't like the backstory because I think it's a given that the Consitution and Bill of Rights still apply to anthros. When it comes to the attacking onlookers, whaddaya think is gonna happen when you chase human and anthros alike with guns? Naturally they are going to run, and they will do anything to not get shot. You can't expect all creatures to be willing to immediately calm down and have a chat.

IT'S A GREAT STORY! The backstory is realistic enough to make me wonder if anthros are real, I seriously am gonna look it up, but I wish it wasn't, and I wish humans weren't so stupid.

The world is already dangerous without magic. I don't think it'll get any worse with it.

seems like a bad and place to make demands. He couldn't have brought it up to congress?