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More Zodiac! Any questions? I'll try to answer.
Next week: The board members & Ghoul
Y'know, I've been looking back at the older pages and I think I may have lost some people by stringing out this combat for so long. I seem to have lost some people that commented on almost every page. Is it me? I'm not as communicative as I used to be and I only update once a week. Still trying to think of what I can do to improve the comic. I have it scripted out quite a bit further but I'd like to hear your ideas.
Enjoy!
PAGE 223 ON Webcomicsnation
More Zodiac! Any questions? I'll try to answer.
Next week: The board members & Ghoul
Y'know, I've been looking back at the older pages and I think I may have lost some people by stringing out this combat for so long. I seem to have lost some people that commented on almost every page. Is it me? I'm not as communicative as I used to be and I only update once a week. Still trying to think of what I can do to improve the comic. I have it scripted out quite a bit further but I'd like to hear your ideas.
Enjoy!
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Not one of these guys is using their power correctly. Fire boy should be super heating the air everywhere, trying to make it impossible to breath, Metal man should, if he can control his bits once they're detached, leave little shavings of himself in the air, and when people do breath them in, he can shred their insides with a thought. The fire horse can sense emotions and send out thoughts, she should be projecting songs and things to distract them, and if she can mimic 'voices', start having the team's voices screaming for help in their ears. Jigsaw is doing okay, considering he's a bruiser, and fighting is all he can really do. The gator should be growing only select parts of his body, letting gravity do the work for him, and maybe just pressing down, rather than hitting, just grow to a size big enough to crush his lungs. Snake is doing okay, I suppose, though if you have a projectile weapon, I would be using the fog to hide myself, and play mind games with my prey. Do wonder if she can do the snake thing and eat her too, though that might just be a bit morbid for this comic. And the one with the power to create shadows should be making more of them, confuse the hell out of the heroes, maybe have them demand rescue to distract them while they're fighting.
Still, the art is awesome, and we do understand why the bad guys are acting like they are, this seems like it's they're first 'real' fight together, probably trained a bit, but not one of their group seems like they like each other, and are more together for a common ideology more than any real since of togetherness.
Still, the art is awesome, and we do understand why the bad guys are acting like they are, this seems like it's they're first 'real' fight together, probably trained a bit, but not one of their group seems like they like each other, and are more together for a common ideology more than any real since of togetherness.
Well, I don't think a lot of the villain's powers work that way.
Hellhound creates a superheated plasma around his body, which ignigts oxygen into fire. I don't believe he can increase his heat as high as you suggest.
Razor (whom I assume is the "metal person" you're refering to) is using an alien symbiotic suit. Think Venom; he couldn't just detach parts of himself I believe. Razor's also a girl.
For Nightmare, since none of the Zodiac team is telepathic, using telepathy to mimic voices isn't going to work. And to distract them with song, she'd have to be continually singing it in her own head, which would be considerably distracting her as well, which, being as arrogant as she is, she isn't likely to do.
Saurus (the gator) is all or nothing with his power. He can't only grow parts of himself; it's a proportianal increase in size, not a selective thing.
Remember, for anyone with projectiles attacks, the fog is interferring with everybody's vision. If she starts firing her weakening beams into the fog, she could be wasting energy hitting nothing, or hitting her own companions. She can't see through it to hit somebody any better than anyone else can.
For Legion, I believe that her projections are appearence only. They are just coalaced shadows given apearence, and really capable of doing anything other than stand or walk. They have no lungs with which to produce voice; that's why the people at the bar before the fight commented on how they were kind strange/creepy. The reason they're there is to make it seem there are more civilians (and therefore risk of collateral damage) to hinder the Zodiac teams actions.
Hellhound creates a superheated plasma around his body, which ignigts oxygen into fire. I don't believe he can increase his heat as high as you suggest.
Razor (whom I assume is the "metal person" you're refering to) is using an alien symbiotic suit. Think Venom; he couldn't just detach parts of himself I believe. Razor's also a girl.
For Nightmare, since none of the Zodiac team is telepathic, using telepathy to mimic voices isn't going to work. And to distract them with song, she'd have to be continually singing it in her own head, which would be considerably distracting her as well, which, being as arrogant as she is, she isn't likely to do.
Saurus (the gator) is all or nothing with his power. He can't only grow parts of himself; it's a proportianal increase in size, not a selective thing.
Remember, for anyone with projectiles attacks, the fog is interferring with everybody's vision. If she starts firing her weakening beams into the fog, she could be wasting energy hitting nothing, or hitting her own companions. She can't see through it to hit somebody any better than anyone else can.
For Legion, I believe that her projections are appearence only. They are just coalaced shadows given apearence, and really capable of doing anything other than stand or walk. They have no lungs with which to produce voice; that's why the people at the bar before the fight commented on how they were kind strange/creepy. The reason they're there is to make it seem there are more civilians (and therefore risk of collateral damage) to hinder the Zodiac teams actions.
Well, when you have 24+ participants in a fight/story arc, and there's only so many panels per page, it's bound to take a while, especially when each page jumps to a different scene within the scene. You also seem to be doing fewer panels per page; before the fight panels were 7-8 panels, now they're 3-4 it seems. That might have something to do with it as well, as half the panels each update means it takes even longer, and the story chunks are therefore much smaller than what people were accustomed to starting out, as each page is half as big as they used to be.
And at some point, it gets so that you don't really know what to say anymore. I mean, this fight's been going on for about 138 pages now (that's currently about 60% of the comic's entirety), and started over a year ago, and the team is still on their heels, if not all in very bad situations (except Aquarious, whom we haven't seen since Ghoul took off), with no sign that it'll turn around soon.
And at some point, it gets so that you don't really know what to say anymore. I mean, this fight's been going on for about 138 pages now (that's currently about 60% of the comic's entirety), and started over a year ago, and the team is still on their heels, if not all in very bad situations (except Aquarious, whom we haven't seen since Ghoul took off), with no sign that it'll turn around soon.
"I stabbed him in the back because I thought he was a norm like you." Sounds like someone's trying to backpeddle, normals don't usually wear long underwear and besides surely Nightmare had told her he was one of Zodaic. Liar-liar, pants on hardcore fire...
As for the comic itself... hard to say. Some of these people likely bowed off due to lack of tits, some probably left due to the pacing. As much as it hurts to hear it, you probably DO have too many characters. Not overall, but running around "on screen" at once. Twelve heroes, twelve villains, at least six support characters in varying stages of development... it's a lot to do at once. Perhaps once you're done with this intro fight the heroes break off into their smaller element teams and we concentrate on their activities for about ten or twenty pages before switching groups.
As for the comic itself... hard to say. Some of these people likely bowed off due to lack of tits, some probably left due to the pacing. As much as it hurts to hear it, you probably DO have too many characters. Not overall, but running around "on screen" at once. Twelve heroes, twelve villains, at least six support characters in varying stages of development... it's a lot to do at once. Perhaps once you're done with this intro fight the heroes break off into their smaller element teams and we concentrate on their activities for about ten or twenty pages before switching groups.
I think one possible way to remind people what's going on with all the threads is to have links in the description that points to the previous panels of that character. That way, its easier to research what led up to the presented comic. I for one would love a quick and easy way to access the past pages relevant to Pisces.
That's actually not a bad idea. I've seen one webcomic do that with its various story arcs. It'll let you progress in the order they're posted or you can skip around within the various stories being told. I think that kind of system would help with this comic, especially with so many characters. Gettin' hard to keep track!
having super powered fights are fine, it's just the long drawn out ones that get a bit boring. unless your gong for the anime style similar to dbz and bleach where they can go through a literal meat grinder and still be standing and able to fight though not at full power. or the superman show style. for example that stabbing right here should of 'ended' the fight, instead you did the whole http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p.....eTruePotential
thing.
then again the whole long drawn out feeling might also be partially due to the frequency of the updates otherwise known as web comic time.
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thing.
then again the whole long drawn out feeling might also be partially due to the frequency of the updates otherwise known as web comic time.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p.....n/WebcomicTime
I will say, this is getting quite drawn out (pun not intended) but unlike the DBZ style anime where a single fight between two characters can take a month or more to go through, you have a large cast of characters. The villains could be killed off, but only one hero can go, if Ramses prediction was correct, and even then, it could mean that one of the heroes just quits after this. This is quite a steep learning curve after all. Action could be left out, such as Leo and Cancer could burst in through the doors having defeated MB and Legion off screen, but that would seem sorta half-assed. The large amount of action and long story, in my opinion, is a byproduct of having a bar-brawl free-for-all. The action is intense, your artwork is incredible, and I can't think of anything you need to really work on. Just keep up the good work! ^_^
Nice page, as usual. And about your comment: I watch every new page you upload, and I greatly enjoy it, but I hardly comment. Maybe that's also the case with others. Times change, maybe they're just to busy to reply. Your comic is great and many around here just wait for the new page to appear. Try not to care too much about comments, it's great to hear that you savour the feedback and you try to inprove your comic, but don't bother yourself too much about it.
Oh, and out of curiosity: What do you charge for a comic commission?
Oh, and out of curiosity: What do you charge for a comic commission?
Eh, maybe some of us are just waitin' for things to settle down.
The trouble with having so many characters is it can be hard to focus. And if you show all the parts of this fight, it is gonna drag on quite a bit. Nothing to do for it but carry on and learn from it. 'Sides, I wanna see how it ends.
Also, anyone else gettin' flashbacks to League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? XD Always bites when you bite off more than you can chew.
The trouble with having so many characters is it can be hard to focus. And if you show all the parts of this fight, it is gonna drag on quite a bit. Nothing to do for it but carry on and learn from it. 'Sides, I wanna see how it ends.
Also, anyone else gettin' flashbacks to League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? XD Always bites when you bite off more than you can chew.
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