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Seriously, no real meanness intended here, Micah. While I have had a large amount of insane/emotionally abusive women in my life (mother, grandmother, aunt, three 'girlfriends', several teachers, therapists, etc.), I quite firmly believe that any negative behavior in one group will be equally prevalent in another. Meaning there is exactly the same amount of asshole men as women. Likewise any other division of humanity. So, while I do think this applies to _some_ women (and some men), I'd have to be retarded to think it applies to all, or even most.
Really, this is only meant to piss off people who'd look at it and get royally offended without ever giving any thought to it being intended as humor. Stick-up-the-asses are virtually always my intended targets, regardless of whatever I'm crapping out at the moment.
Really, this is only meant to piss off people who'd look at it and get royally offended without ever giving any thought to it being intended as humor. Stick-up-the-asses are virtually always my intended targets, regardless of whatever I'm crapping out at the moment.
You silly little foxy...this is
THE INTERNET!! *He says spreading his arms as lighting crackles around the vicinity, an earthquake splits the Earth and Stan Lee makes a cameo.**
The only way we can be superior here is to change the subject to Pirates, Ninjas, or some combination between.
THE INTERNET!! *He says spreading his arms as lighting crackles around the vicinity, an earthquake splits the Earth and Stan Lee makes a cameo.**
The only way we can be superior here is to change the subject to Pirates, Ninjas, or some combination between.
As I've said elsewhere, to truly believe that the negative behaviors of one group don't exist in equal amounts in an opposite group is ludicrousness. In other words, I'm merely being a dick for the sake of humor.
If someone were to *seriously* claim this is true, I'd be flaming they asses right alongside ya. ;)
If someone were to *seriously* claim this is true, I'd be flaming they asses right alongside ya. ;)
Wait... *mildly startled* Do I _still_ have doo doo on my face? *checks in mirror* Darnit, you're right. Well, one has to expect that after attending the Canoga Park Shriners' 32nd Annual Coprophagia Festival.
...I no longer have any idea what the fuck I'm talking about.
...I no longer have any idea what the fuck I'm talking about.
Hehe, I like it! And as he's said repeatedly, I'm positive that this generalization isn't meant to encompass everyone, he even said to begin with that he was expecting disagreement. Personally, I know someone married to that stick figure's sister... They even look alike! I've also known some girls that were much lower maintenance, too. I don't think you can go through life and believe that any generalization THIS narrow could be entirely true, unless you're daft... and I don't take Reynard for an idiot.
Anyway, I babbled.. Highly effective piece of comedic gold you've got there, good sir, thank you for the laughs.
Anyway, I babbled.. Highly effective piece of comedic gold you've got there, good sir, thank you for the laughs.
You get points for being awesome! This is some funny shit!.
Though on the flipside (and I know it's not intended to be serious, but . . .), I've known guys who were just like women in that kinda thing. Y'know, like the reeeeeally gay guys. Screw it, that spelling doesn't even describe it. They're just GHEY, G-H-E-Y ghey.
Mkay, I'm done now.
Though on the flipside (and I know it's not intended to be serious, but . . .), I've known guys who were just like women in that kinda thing. Y'know, like the reeeeeally gay guys. Screw it, that spelling doesn't even describe it. They're just GHEY, G-H-E-Y ghey.
Mkay, I'm done now.
Oh, I know. I've mentined a few times now how it's ridiculous to think any one group has a monopoly on a specific annoying behavior.
...Unless that behavior is leaving used maxi pads all over the goddam bathroom. Women are WAY better at that. (It's a wonder no one's assassinated me yet)
...Unless that behavior is leaving used maxi pads all over the goddam bathroom. Women are WAY better at that. (It's a wonder no one's assassinated me yet)
Hahahah!
To pay tribute to a horrible hip pop song,
This is why I'm gay!
This is why I'm gay!
This is why- this is why-
This is why I'm gay! :D
In some ways, this actually does ring true through the humor. If you take every average, unimpressively unintelligent male and every average, confused female and round them up merely through positive points, you'll see the males appeal to themselves.
Of course then there's the parade queens, whom I want to go Frank Castle on. ):[
To pay tribute to a horrible hip pop song,
This is why I'm gay!
This is why I'm gay!
This is why- this is why-
This is why I'm gay! :D
In some ways, this actually does ring true through the humor. If you take every average, unimpressively unintelligent male and every average, confused female and round them up merely through positive points, you'll see the males appeal to themselves.
Of course then there's the parade queens, whom I want to go Frank Castle on. ):[
Oh dear sweet lard, thank you for saying this!! I've had people *insist* I'm not gay because I draw Gadget a lot. Yes, these folks have psychic beams coming out of their brains that can magically deduce my true sexuality. Because it's INCONCIEVABLE that an artist would draw something they would not actually be aroused by were it to occur in real life.
Sheesh!
Sheesh!
Just for clarification: Yes, I really do believe this is true of ALL women and ALL men.
Just like I believe black people eat nothing but pineapples, Jews lay eggs, all Mexicans have sixteen-inch penises, Swedes live in mortal fear of penguins, the Japanese are actually disguised hamsters, all Africans can imitate sinatra, and white people are made out of tofu.
Wow. This really *is* the strongest non-prescription cough syrup money can buy!
Just like I believe black people eat nothing but pineapples, Jews lay eggs, all Mexicans have sixteen-inch penises, Swedes live in mortal fear of penguins, the Japanese are actually disguised hamsters, all Africans can imitate sinatra, and white people are made out of tofu.
Wow. This really *is* the strongest non-prescription cough syrup money can buy!
It got blown out of proportion. Admittedly, I had a very abusive relationship with my mother that's made me mildly phobic of relationships with women, but that doesn't stop me from rationally knowing that that's all in my head. Sure, there are crazy-ass women out there, but there's also the same percentage of crazy-ass men. Admittedly though, there are kinds of crazy that tend to be gender-specific, but that's a cultural thing and I don't think there's anything sexist about acknowledging it. Overall, you certainly don't have to be a certain gender to be a nutball. ;)
Oh it's so true.
Though I think relivancy to how male and female mind should be considered not to be all ranty, but men are moreso programmed for physical contact and women expect deeper more social bonds. Aswell as women having that 'pregnancy' thing to worry about, contraceptives don't always work- so I can only guess that's why things are as they are between men and women.
That being said, I have a vagina myself D=
Though I think relivancy to how male and female mind should be considered not to be all ranty, but men are moreso programmed for physical contact and women expect deeper more social bonds. Aswell as women having that 'pregnancy' thing to worry about, contraceptives don't always work- so I can only guess that's why things are as they are between men and women.
That being said, I have a vagina myself D=
Actually, I *am* really interested in evolutionary biology and know just what yer sayin'. *high five* I think men and women would get along better if they could just learn to accept: "Okay, you are biologically different from me. It is futile to get angry and try to change you, and will only result in me getting frustrated and you getting pissed at me."
This is why I think more people should just go gay. If your ideal sexual partner is basically yourself, why look for that in someone completely different from you? ;)
That being said, I have a peeeeeeeeenis. ^__^
This is why I think more people should just go gay. If your ideal sexual partner is basically yourself, why look for that in someone completely different from you? ;)
That being said, I have a peeeeeeeeenis. ^__^
True, but being gay isn't merely a choice. I know I cannot for the life me, find women sexually attractive or want to go having a relationship with them, yeah theres tits and a vagoo, but it just doesn't.. compell me. But not to say I have anything against homosexuality, anyone who is homosexual shouldn't be treated any differently or be denied anything any other person would. I think, if it is genetic, it is a means to balance out the population and so forth. I dunno, lots of theories there. But you make quite a point. But still yet we have very tomboyish/butch women and very girly/whiney men that are heterosexual or in hetero relationships. (My ex was more of a chick then me when it came to emotions, AGH.) But yeah. =P
>True, but being gay isn't merely a choice.
Oh, I know! I'm just kiddin'. However, I *do* believe that there are a whole lot of people out there that are more bi than they're willing to admit to. That, and I love when someone uses the word 'vagoo'.
>But still yet we have very tomboyish/butch women and very girly/whiney men that are heterosexual or in hetero relationships.
Yep. Yet another clue that gender is nowhere near as rigid as we've all been brought up to believe.
Oh, I know! I'm just kiddin'. However, I *do* believe that there are a whole lot of people out there that are more bi than they're willing to admit to. That, and I love when someone uses the word 'vagoo'.
>But still yet we have very tomboyish/butch women and very girly/whiney men that are heterosexual or in hetero relationships.
Yep. Yet another clue that gender is nowhere near as rigid as we've all been brought up to believe.
I met quite a few people who claimed to be heterosexual when I first met them, but who then claimed to be bisexual after a while.
It made me wonder if sexual orientation isn't entirely something you're born with, especially when I consider the fact that some cultures (the ancient Greeks and Romans, and even the British) accept (and sometimes encourage) homosexuality, while others (anything heavily influenced by Abrahamic religions) condemn it. I find myself wondering if cultural tendencies wind up influencing peoples' sexual orientation.
It made me wonder if sexual orientation isn't entirely something you're born with, especially when I consider the fact that some cultures (the ancient Greeks and Romans, and even the British) accept (and sometimes encourage) homosexuality, while others (anything heavily influenced by Abrahamic religions) condemn it. I find myself wondering if cultural tendencies wind up influencing peoples' sexual orientation.
>I find myself wondering if cultural tendencies wind up influencing peoples' sexual orientation.
Oh, almost certainly. I think there are probably only a small percentage of people who are rigidly 100% straight or gay (the same as there's very few people who have a true fetish; one that utterly dominates their sex life). I think most people have some degree of bi in them, and maybe they only feel that way for one person. From what I've gathered, sexually open societies encourage consensual experimentation, and societies that criminalize sexuality breed repression and sexual violence.
Oh, almost certainly. I think there are probably only a small percentage of people who are rigidly 100% straight or gay (the same as there's very few people who have a true fetish; one that utterly dominates their sex life). I think most people have some degree of bi in them, and maybe they only feel that way for one person. From what I've gathered, sexually open societies encourage consensual experimentation, and societies that criminalize sexuality breed repression and sexual violence.
*roll of eyes* It's a silly cartoon. Anyone with a sense of humor should be able to see that it is a wild exaggeration for comedic purposes and not what I truly believe about actual people. The fact that you're taking it so seriously and acting so defensively about it leads me to arch my eyebrow and wonder if it's not more true in your case than you're willing to admit to yourself.
Also, _I_ give ladies bad names!? Well, fine, if you say so. *puts a sticker on your forehead* There. Your new name is Zelda Grubenstank Hoopenpooter. That's a pretty bad name if I do say so myself.
Also, _I_ give ladies bad names!? Well, fine, if you say so. *puts a sticker on your forehead* There. Your new name is Zelda Grubenstank Hoopenpooter. That's a pretty bad name if I do say so myself.
Well... partially. There are certainly people like this out there (this was written with a certain female in mind, actually). But obviously they're a tiny minority. So yeah, partly it's lampooning the ridiculousness of stereotypes, and partly it's a nose-thumbing at people who let themselves become living stereotypes.
*nods* Shame the stereotypical paraders tend to stand out the most. I think part of the problem is that the joke is a little bit too subtle for most people to get. Certainly reasonable people know better and don't give a damn, though in this day and age, you pretty much have to shove your point in one's face like a sledgehammer to the groin in order to get general comprehension.
That was almost erotic. o..o
That was almost erotic. o..o
I guess that's why I like making some of my jokes a little difficult then. Some of them take a bit of effort before you get to the funny, like biting through a Tootsie pop. There's an element of wanting to punish my audience if they take me serious. And especially if they're too dense to bother looking beyond their first impression. I hate, hate, hate when people get offended over a misconception, then expect whoever made the thing they got offended over to placate them.
Perfect example (this is supposed to be true): Big fat woman in McDonalds with her two fat children. She gets her food, sits down, then minutes later goes back up to the counter. "You incompetent people!! You screwed up my boys' orders! This one was supposed to have bacon on it and it doesn't, and this one wasn't supposed to have bacon on it and it does!!" I cannot imagine how the poor cash register dude responded.
Perfect example (this is supposed to be true): Big fat woman in McDonalds with her two fat children. She gets her food, sits down, then minutes later goes back up to the counter. "You incompetent people!! You screwed up my boys' orders! This one was supposed to have bacon on it and it doesn't, and this one wasn't supposed to have bacon on it and it does!!" I cannot imagine how the poor cash register dude responded.
I remember that story...I probably would have responded by asking the woman to kindly get a hysterectomy if she hasn't already tied her tubes. Also castrate her kids for good measure just to make sure the breeding pool is kept from that particular dose of diarrhea leaking inside. >..<
Really? Well, maybe that what the two characters are saying is wildly exaggerated and, while certainly true for some people, it's an absurdity to think this could ever possibly be true of all men or all women? That, and the idea that this could ever be a legitimate reason for someone's homosexuality is thoroughly ridiculous?
I _don't_ agree with it, and you don't know me as a person well enough to claim otherwise.
Obviously, I can deny it for hours, but if you've chosen to paint a picture of me in your mind and have no intention of changing it, then I know there's nothing I could say that could make a difference, and so it would be a waste of my time to try. Go ahead and believe whatever you want about me; I can't stop you.
I'm tired of answering questions like yours. I'm tired of people I've never spoken to coming out of nowhere and accusing me of things I have already dealt with time after time after time. I'm tired of people basing their ideas of me upon a tiny handful of distorted information, and not on the infinitely larger bulk of reality that's right in plain view. I'm tired of feeling like I have to defend myself to people I don't even know.
If you are at all willing to listen to what I have to say and not dismiss it outright, then we can talk. If you're interested in anything other than a fight or to get me to supply you with drama, then we can talk. Otherwise, I am going to react exactly as you would if I came onto your page and started accusing you of things you find morally repellant.
Also, where did you hear about this little cartoon? I really hope it's not where I think it was.
Obviously, I can deny it for hours, but if you've chosen to paint a picture of me in your mind and have no intention of changing it, then I know there's nothing I could say that could make a difference, and so it would be a waste of my time to try. Go ahead and believe whatever you want about me; I can't stop you.
I'm tired of answering questions like yours. I'm tired of people I've never spoken to coming out of nowhere and accusing me of things I have already dealt with time after time after time. I'm tired of people basing their ideas of me upon a tiny handful of distorted information, and not on the infinitely larger bulk of reality that's right in plain view. I'm tired of feeling like I have to defend myself to people I don't even know.
If you are at all willing to listen to what I have to say and not dismiss it outright, then we can talk. If you're interested in anything other than a fight or to get me to supply you with drama, then we can talk. Otherwise, I am going to react exactly as you would if I came onto your page and started accusing you of things you find morally repellant.
Also, where did you hear about this little cartoon? I really hope it's not where I think it was.
I... dude, please chill out. I didn't call you a bad person or call you names or anything, I expressed dislike of the message of this picture, then asked why you would have said certain things on this same page if the picture was satire rather than your actual opinion. I don't see why any of this isn't valid :\
I'll leave you alone, since you sound like you're getting really upset over this, but seriously, try to relax a little.
I'll leave you alone, since you sound like you're getting really upset over this, but seriously, try to relax a little.
Please, don't tell me to relax. I apologize if I've directed more anger at you than you've earned (admittedly you've been more polite than others about this), but this issue feels to me like a wound that, just when it's about to finally close up, someone comes by and rakes it open again. Even though, yes, I'll admit, you have a valid point.
Try to envision things from my perspective though. How would you like to be routinely accused of racism, or something else that's awful and untrue? Because of a handful of bullshit comments you said in anger during a fight, and a tossed-off doodle that's now used as 'evidence' of your bigotry, you are unable to escape a label that's never applied to you in the first place. Also, the endless stream of people accusing you of this makes it hard to differentiate between people who are merely misunderstanding, and ones who are actively attacking you. I believed you were the latter at first, so again I apologize.
I was raised by a mother who is a clinical sociopath. There's no exaggeration there: Actual Textbook-definition Sociopath. All the other major female figures in my life have been mentally ill to one degree or another as well. Does this mean all women are crazy? Of course not; my dad, grandpa and stepfather are all sick upstairs as well. I just got the bad luck to be born into a severely crazy family. So I've spent years getting over my fear of other people in general, not just women. To me, the idea of being angry at an entire group of people because a handful of them hurt you is completely irrational. But phobias don't go away immediately just because you *know* they're irrational.
Also, what I learned from trying to date is that I was forcing myself to feel something that wasn't there. I didn't *decide* to be gay because women are just icky; it took several embarrassing, loveless encounters for me to realize that I was *always* gay and I could finally stop trying to make myself 'be normal'. Merely not wanting to be in a relationship with a woman doesn't mean i hate them.
This cartoon was never meant as anything but an obvious exaggeration, like that Don Hertzfeldt cartoon "Ah L'amour". But some people did get offended, and told me about it, and I realized I was being too harsh, especially in the comments. I do wish I could take back some of what I said on this page, but I hope some of the later comments stand as proof that I've learned to not reply without thinking. Also, that quote you specifically mentioned, I should have phrased it less stupid, but I _do_ envy him if he knows women who aren't like this. Every time a friend tells me they grew up in a nonabusive household with a mother who actually loved them, you can't know how happy I feel for them and how much I wish I could know what that felt like myself.
And I think it's telling that no one's _ever_ gotten upset over how I portrayed the man in this cartoon. Why is that? Isn't it just as stupid and harmful a stereotype that all men ever want is sex? I'm a guy who cares more about personality than anything else in a friend or a partner. Sex isn't that important to me, at least not compared to being able to have a real conversation with someone.
So, that's my position on this whole thing, for anyone to read, listen to, believe, disbelieve, ignore, or twist completely out of context. All I'm asking is for you to be honest: Please tell me where you heard about this cartoon.
Try to envision things from my perspective though. How would you like to be routinely accused of racism, or something else that's awful and untrue? Because of a handful of bullshit comments you said in anger during a fight, and a tossed-off doodle that's now used as 'evidence' of your bigotry, you are unable to escape a label that's never applied to you in the first place. Also, the endless stream of people accusing you of this makes it hard to differentiate between people who are merely misunderstanding, and ones who are actively attacking you. I believed you were the latter at first, so again I apologize.
I was raised by a mother who is a clinical sociopath. There's no exaggeration there: Actual Textbook-definition Sociopath. All the other major female figures in my life have been mentally ill to one degree or another as well. Does this mean all women are crazy? Of course not; my dad, grandpa and stepfather are all sick upstairs as well. I just got the bad luck to be born into a severely crazy family. So I've spent years getting over my fear of other people in general, not just women. To me, the idea of being angry at an entire group of people because a handful of them hurt you is completely irrational. But phobias don't go away immediately just because you *know* they're irrational.
Also, what I learned from trying to date is that I was forcing myself to feel something that wasn't there. I didn't *decide* to be gay because women are just icky; it took several embarrassing, loveless encounters for me to realize that I was *always* gay and I could finally stop trying to make myself 'be normal'. Merely not wanting to be in a relationship with a woman doesn't mean i hate them.
This cartoon was never meant as anything but an obvious exaggeration, like that Don Hertzfeldt cartoon "Ah L'amour". But some people did get offended, and told me about it, and I realized I was being too harsh, especially in the comments. I do wish I could take back some of what I said on this page, but I hope some of the later comments stand as proof that I've learned to not reply without thinking. Also, that quote you specifically mentioned, I should have phrased it less stupid, but I _do_ envy him if he knows women who aren't like this. Every time a friend tells me they grew up in a nonabusive household with a mother who actually loved them, you can't know how happy I feel for them and how much I wish I could know what that felt like myself.
And I think it's telling that no one's _ever_ gotten upset over how I portrayed the man in this cartoon. Why is that? Isn't it just as stupid and harmful a stereotype that all men ever want is sex? I'm a guy who cares more about personality than anything else in a friend or a partner. Sex isn't that important to me, at least not compared to being able to have a real conversation with someone.
So, that's my position on this whole thing, for anyone to read, listen to, believe, disbelieve, ignore, or twist completely out of context. All I'm asking is for you to be honest: Please tell me where you heard about this cartoon.
Okay - thank you for addressing my questions this time. I still disagree with your stance, but I can at least see what you're trying to say after you've calmed down - my experiences with males caused a similar feeling for a long time.
Dramachan, as was probably one of your guesses. I normally don't take what I read there out of the board, but I was bothered by this enough to want to leave a comment (though if I could backpedal my first comment would have been clearer and less sarcastic.)
Dramachan, as was probably one of your guesses. I normally don't take what I read there out of the board, but I was bothered by this enough to want to leave a comment (though if I could backpedal my first comment would have been clearer and less sarcastic.)
I guess my stance comes down to, 'I don't hate women, but I definitely hate _crazy_ women.' Same as I hate crazy men. And stupid people in general. Meaning that it's certain behavioral patterns that I _really_ hate. I can even accept that some people can have behaviors I absolutely loathe and still be decent people otherwise. Case in point, my sixth-grade teacher was one of the sweetest, kindest, most nurturing women I've ever known ...if only she wasn't an unswerving George W. Bush supporter. Mind-boggling.
"my experiences with males caused a similar feeling for a long time." I think that _everybody_ has thoughts like that, since our minds are hardwired to make snap judgments about people. It's instinct. But it's not really racism or sexism or any other 'ism' just to *have* those thoughts, only if you choose to act on them.
Dramachan? Actually, I've never even heard of that. I was worried about another site with not-so-nice things posted about me. Hell, if people I've never even heard of wanna badmouth me, fuckin' let 'em. <dismissive hand gesture>
"my experiences with males caused a similar feeling for a long time." I think that _everybody_ has thoughts like that, since our minds are hardwired to make snap judgments about people. It's instinct. But it's not really racism or sexism or any other 'ism' just to *have* those thoughts, only if you choose to act on them.
Dramachan? Actually, I've never even heard of that. I was worried about another site with not-so-nice things posted about me. Hell, if people I've never even heard of wanna badmouth me, fuckin' let 'em. <dismissive hand gesture>
If it's too long for you to read, then that's *another* good reason you shouldn't assume you know enough about a total stranger to leave insults on their submissions.
I have no desire to get into an argument, or even a long conversation. I'm sorry this cartoon made you angry, but it's not my fault that you misunderstood its intent. I'll stop replying and am asking you respectfully to do the same. Adios.
I have no desire to get into an argument, or even a long conversation. I'm sorry this cartoon made you angry, but it's not my fault that you misunderstood its intent. I'll stop replying and am asking you respectfully to do the same. Adios.
Ya know, for a while in high school I thought I was bi, because I do a lot of anatomy studies and found that the male body was just as beautiful as the female body. But after a while I realized that my liking of men only went so far as physical beauty- for me, women are a lot easier to be around because they're more emotional and easier for me to 'read' (having Asperger's Syndrome, this is helpful), and they tend to be better conversationalists. Men, with the exception of most nerds and gay guys, are assholes.
Interestingly, I'm pretty much the exact opposite. I find the female body more visually appealing than the male, but (in general) I get along with male personalities better. Men may be assholes, but I usually understand them a lot better than females. People who are more emotional than logical tend to vex me.
Agreed. Both are important, but one should only let emotion run your decision-making process on rare occasions.
Recovering from being sick, for instance. I find that medicine often doesn't do much for me, but having an attitude of "Ohhhh, I ain't gonna put up with THIS shit for long!!!" does.
Recovering from being sick, for instance. I find that medicine often doesn't do much for me, but having an attitude of "Ohhhh, I ain't gonna put up with THIS shit for long!!!" does.
Oh, I disagree. I think that all women, which means 50% of the Earth's population, fall into one incredibly narrow personality type. Likewise, men do too. Because I couldn't possibly have drawn a humorous cartoon, instead of making a point which i expect others to take seriously.
*nods in both amusement & agreement*
Oh yeah, that hit the nail on the head.
Personally I am probably the only one who believes in the soulmate "theory", and I have seen many good qualities in both genders, although nothing I'd consider a Perfect, one-hundred, absolute "WE WERE MADE FOR EACH OTHER!!!" match.
...perhaps I am foolish for expecting such flawless, timeless & heavenly perfection...@V@
Oh yeah, that hit the nail on the head.
Personally I am probably the only one who believes in the soulmate "theory", and I have seen many good qualities in both genders, although nothing I'd consider a Perfect, one-hundred, absolute "WE WERE MADE FOR EACH OTHER!!!" match.
...perhaps I am foolish for expecting such flawless, timeless & heavenly perfection...@V@
>...perhaps I am foolish for expecting such flawless, timeless & heavenly perfection...@V@
Not necessarily. There probably is someone out there for each of us who would be a perfect match. However, our puritanical, backasswards society kind of gives us the idea of, "Pick a person. Now, STAY WITH THEM FOREVER OR BE DAMNED TO HADES!!!" So, there's not a lot of opportunity to 'try new models' as it were.
Not necessarily. There probably is someone out there for each of us who would be a perfect match. However, our puritanical, backasswards society kind of gives us the idea of, "Pick a person. Now, STAY WITH THEM FOREVER OR BE DAMNED TO HADES!!!" So, there's not a lot of opportunity to 'try new models' as it were.
>not all women are like that.
Assuming you're a woman, how does your behavior do anything to show you're right and I'm not? I mean, you're getting upset over a cartoon! That's what radical Muslims do!!
>you've just never met a real one before.
So all the women I've ever met in my lifetime were fakes, sent to Earth to taint my perceptions of females?
Bonus question: what does it say about women that so many of them have taken this cartoon seriously and assume I literally believe this?
Assuming you're a woman, how does your behavior do anything to show you're right and I'm not? I mean, you're getting upset over a cartoon! That's what radical Muslims do!!
>you've just never met a real one before.
So all the women I've ever met in my lifetime were fakes, sent to Earth to taint my perceptions of females?
Bonus question: what does it say about women that so many of them have taken this cartoon seriously and assume I literally believe this?
No I'm not a women.
And what I mean by "real woman" is not a shallow material possession obsessed, cock crazy bitch. There are other types of women, y'know. But you've never met any apparently.
And what scientific evidence are you talking about? You can't just say "scientific evidence" and expect to be taken seriously without actual examples.
And what I mean by "real woman" is not a shallow material possession obsessed, cock crazy bitch. There are other types of women, y'know. But you've never met any apparently.
And what scientific evidence are you talking about? You can't just say "scientific evidence" and expect to be taken seriously without actual examples.
>And what I mean by "real woman" is not a shallow material possession obsessed, cock crazy bitch. There are other types of women, y'know. But you've never met any apparently.
Y'ever heard of a logical fallacy called No True Scotsman?
>And what scientific evidence are you talking about? You can't just say "scientific evidence" and expect to be taken seriously without actual examples.
JOKE, STUPID.
>No I'm not a women.
I'm oddly not surprised by that. Half of the time when I upset some group, it's not members of that group who actually get offended. Hell, I had an atheist once get snippy with me because I was trashing on Islam. Now, I can understand the feeling (I'm no Native American, but I think the Cleveland Indians' logo is super-racist), but at the same time it makes me wonder. Do you think women need you to speak up for them? If you know any 'real women' who are offended by this cartoon, then send them here and I'll talk to them. And considering you're a dude, why aren't you more offended by my characterization of you just wanting sex?
Y'ever heard of a logical fallacy called No True Scotsman?
>And what scientific evidence are you talking about? You can't just say "scientific evidence" and expect to be taken seriously without actual examples.
JOKE, STUPID.
>No I'm not a women.
I'm oddly not surprised by that. Half of the time when I upset some group, it's not members of that group who actually get offended. Hell, I had an atheist once get snippy with me because I was trashing on Islam. Now, I can understand the feeling (I'm no Native American, but I think the Cleveland Indians' logo is super-racist), but at the same time it makes me wonder. Do you think women need you to speak up for them? If you know any 'real women' who are offended by this cartoon, then send them here and I'll talk to them. And considering you're a dude, why aren't you more offended by my characterization of you just wanting sex?
I've never heard of No True Scottsman.
What is it exactly?
>JOKE, STUPID
answer the damn question, will you?
>it's not members of that group who actually get offended
And yea, I actually agree with this. And in the case of "cleveland indians" and things like that, Indians have had just about everything taken from them. And being featured in sports as mascots is something they have left. I've actually talked to some native americans, and they don't care about it. Infact, they're being honored by it, so they welcome it. It's all the white "do gooders" that are offended really. So yes, you're right.
But, not in this case.
Every woman I know would indeed get offended by this.
>why aren't you more offended by my characterization of you just wanting sex?
good question. You speak of men like you aren't one, though.
To answer your question though, I'm not really offended by any of this, I guess I just think that it's an ignorant view to take.
What is it exactly?
>JOKE, STUPID
answer the damn question, will you?
>it's not members of that group who actually get offended
And yea, I actually agree with this. And in the case of "cleveland indians" and things like that, Indians have had just about everything taken from them. And being featured in sports as mascots is something they have left. I've actually talked to some native americans, and they don't care about it. Infact, they're being honored by it, so they welcome it. It's all the white "do gooders" that are offended really. So yes, you're right.
But, not in this case.
Every woman I know would indeed get offended by this.
>why aren't you more offended by my characterization of you just wanting sex?
good question. You speak of men like you aren't one, though.
To answer your question though, I'm not really offended by any of this, I guess I just think that it's an ignorant view to take.
>What is it exactly?
I don't know what it has to do with Scotsmen, but it's a way for someone in a group to deflect criticism of group members by claiming they really aren't group members.
Person 1: We have to do something about Islamic terrorism!
Person 2: I'm very offended by that! Those people who did 9/11 aren't following the Koran the way it's supposed to be followed, so it's wrong to say they committed terror in the name of Islam.
I feel the same way about your assertion that I've never met any 'real' women. All the women I've met have been real. And some of them have been spiteful, vindictive bitches. But they're just as 'real' as any women who aren't like that.
>answer the damn question, will you?
There never was any scientific evidence. I was making a joke.
>And being featured in sports as mascots is something they have left. I've actually talked to some native americans, and they don't care about it. Infact, they're being honored by it, so they welcome it. It's all the white "do gooders" that are offended really.
Um, you're kind of really, really wrong about that. Link
>To answer your question though, I'm not really offended by any of this, I guess I just think that it's an ignorant view to take.
Maybe I'm offended by the fact that you assume, based on this one cartoon and nothing else, that this is what I truly believe.
I don't know what it has to do with Scotsmen, but it's a way for someone in a group to deflect criticism of group members by claiming they really aren't group members.
Person 1: We have to do something about Islamic terrorism!
Person 2: I'm very offended by that! Those people who did 9/11 aren't following the Koran the way it's supposed to be followed, so it's wrong to say they committed terror in the name of Islam.
I feel the same way about your assertion that I've never met any 'real' women. All the women I've met have been real. And some of them have been spiteful, vindictive bitches. But they're just as 'real' as any women who aren't like that.
>answer the damn question, will you?
There never was any scientific evidence. I was making a joke.
>And being featured in sports as mascots is something they have left. I've actually talked to some native americans, and they don't care about it. Infact, they're being honored by it, so they welcome it. It's all the white "do gooders" that are offended really.
Um, you're kind of really, really wrong about that. Link
>To answer your question though, I'm not really offended by any of this, I guess I just think that it's an ignorant view to take.
Maybe I'm offended by the fact that you assume, based on this one cartoon and nothing else, that this is what I truly believe.
>I feel the same way about your assertion that I've never met any 'real' women. All the women I've met have been real. And some of them have been spiteful, vindictive bitches. But they're just as 'real' as any women who aren't like that.
so, you're just going to choose to take everything I say literally?
Ok then, sir.
>There never was any scientific evidence. I was making a joke.
Good god are you serious? And those pitiful kiss ups you surround yourself with keep calling you funny, why?
>Um, you're kind of really, really wrong about that
And, how many actual native americans are in that?
I talked to my friends who actually are, and they say they practically welcome it. They may/may not speak for all of their kind, but I'm just sayin.
>Maybe I'm offended by the fact that you assume, based on this one cartoon and nothing else, that this is what I truly believe.
Heh heh, fag.
so, you're just going to choose to take everything I say literally?
Ok then, sir.
>There never was any scientific evidence. I was making a joke.
Good god are you serious? And those pitiful kiss ups you surround yourself with keep calling you funny, why?
>Um, you're kind of really, really wrong about that
And, how many actual native americans are in that?
I talked to my friends who actually are, and they say they practically welcome it. They may/may not speak for all of their kind, but I'm just sayin.
>Maybe I'm offended by the fact that you assume, based on this one cartoon and nothing else, that this is what I truly believe.
Heh heh, fag.
Dude, you're such a fag. I mean, I'm no feminist or anything, but gmilf is totally right. You are a fucking sexist and there is nothing you can do to defend yourself on the matter. You are just a petty fuck who probably has only met bitchy vindictive women either because you have offended them with your biased bullshit or because you are fat ugly and gross.
<sigh of relief> With every new comment I get on this cartoon, for a second I'm always like, "Please don't let it be ANOTHER troll!" You'd think they could make noise on one of my other submissions! I've got hundreds!! ;)
I'm glad you liked it though. Even for all the hassle some of these commenters have been, some of them I have a lot of fun with. ;)
I'm glad you liked it though. Even for all the hassle some of these commenters have been, some of them I have a lot of fun with. ;)
LOL I know what you mean... It's so much fun to read them, I have to admit... and your responses, so dignified! It's just amazing how different people respond... though, I agree, I know a few people like that....
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OH, wait, this is humor! OMFG WUT?! I H4z 2 TROLLOLOL ALL TEH H4xX0rZ! THA NOT Rite AN U SHUD NO BETUR THEN 2 M4EK FUN OV TeH S3X3z!! D1S Is N ENSALT 2 VRY bOD1E u SHULD B ASsh4M3d!!!!!!1111ONE!1!!!1
Sadly there are way too many women in the world like this, but not a whole lot of men are like the male part either. It's mixed, and everyone must remember that. Personally, i'm an odd case, being a woman, and hating most women in general. Not every one of them is like this, but I have rarely come across a gal who wasn't an arrogant bitch, cunt, or eventually lead up to be some kind of backstabber or something else horrible and rude. Most of my friends are guys, but, I stand up for them, and know that though they have their hornball moments, they are considerate and kind to both the same and opposite sex. Both sexes, have obnoxious pricks/cunts. Personally my taste is the male, and I can truthfully say that I've only had one true -best- friend that is a girl. Oddly enough, that same girl is also one that if I was officially bisexual or something, I'm a bit attracted to her, and she is the same way. ( Bi-curious, but monogamous and happily engaged <3)
Not trolling, not mad, not hurt, simply putting in my two cents. :P
Not trolling, not mad, not hurt, simply putting in my two cents. :P
Righty-o. After thinking about it for a long time, it's not men or women I dislike, but a certain set of behaviors. Irrationality, dishonesty, breaking promises, avoidance of blame, narcissism, etc. And I've more often seen that personality type in women. Some men too though. Obviously, there's other typically-male behaviors I hate. Arrogant stupidity, for one. But I seem to have an especially sensitive trigger for dishonesty, so that sets me off more.
Plus, all the women in my family are certifiable lunatics. Two abusive sociopaths and one with schizoaffective disorder. Yeah, that's good for a kid's mental health. So, that may have given me some prejudices, but I've genuinely worked to get over it. I don't think I ever actually *hated* anyone for their gender, though. Maybe some distrust. But generally, I don't decide to hate someone unless they, personally, have done plenty to deserve it.
Plus, all the women in my family are certifiable lunatics. Two abusive sociopaths and one with schizoaffective disorder. Yeah, that's good for a kid's mental health. So, that may have given me some prejudices, but I've genuinely worked to get over it. I don't think I ever actually *hated* anyone for their gender, though. Maybe some distrust. But generally, I don't decide to hate someone unless they, personally, have done plenty to deserve it.
Rather reasonable and understandable. As one grows up, their surroundings make can make them uneasy of a certain behavior, but having simple minds as we are young, we associate them as gender/species/race because we can't see past that. It's almost like how some phobias are started. My family is ruled by estrogen, and indeed, there are many crazies. But I honestly love them all. It's my mother's side of the family ( including my mother herself) that is filled with women who have completely rubbed me the wrong way. But, it's not just the women. The only reason I address it to the women, is because that's what makes most most of the family. There aren't many boys in the family tree. But everyone has tons of kids. 4 out of 5 are usually girls, so...
Growing up I had trouble with other girls as well, teasing and such. It's all a part of how you grow up and what you are exposed to. And it's hard for a kid to see past these things, and its hard for a parent to teach them how. It really is. As we age we often fall out of these things, but, i think it's more of a choice. I'm sure everyone sees the wrong in how we may act if we are sexist or racist or whatever you have it, but not all want to change. it is what they are accustomed to, and fear the act of change, because it is too different, or because they know they will feel too much guilt or awkwardness. Or perhaps they don't see error at all. It varies.
It's not good to say you hate someone because of their sex or race, indeed, but we often might mix our words and say "I hate women" for instance. but what we mean is, "I hate lying bitches" or whatever it is in women you don't like. And we are all guilty of this. But I think people need to wind down sometimes, and take that into consideration. Take things lighter. Cool off. It's much too easy to get your temper up, and your blood pressure skyrocketing. I know this, and I have issues with it myself. I'm quick to anger sadly, and when I want to get even, it's horrible the things I come up with...and I don't even notice the way I'm acting until it's too late... just another trait I don't like about being a chick. ( I've noticed some of the traits are indeed genetic and built-in! Oh, damn these hormones to hell!)
Some things, I truly believe, niether men or women can help. Because it's hormonal. Women are naturally always going to be bitches. some more than others. And men are always going to have issues with...well...whatever they have issues with. I honestly don't know. Maybe horniness I guess. But women can get the same way. Lol. Sex for pleasure is a human condition. not one particular sex. But anyway, I'm rambling. I tend to do that in a good conversation that I can get into.
On a side note, I fucking love it when a mosquito drinks SO MUCH of your blood it can barely fly, and then you squish the little bastard and it goes everywhere. Serves you right, you little buzzing abomination. Hmph. -nods-
Growing up I had trouble with other girls as well, teasing and such. It's all a part of how you grow up and what you are exposed to. And it's hard for a kid to see past these things, and its hard for a parent to teach them how. It really is. As we age we often fall out of these things, but, i think it's more of a choice. I'm sure everyone sees the wrong in how we may act if we are sexist or racist or whatever you have it, but not all want to change. it is what they are accustomed to, and fear the act of change, because it is too different, or because they know they will feel too much guilt or awkwardness. Or perhaps they don't see error at all. It varies.
It's not good to say you hate someone because of their sex or race, indeed, but we often might mix our words and say "I hate women" for instance. but what we mean is, "I hate lying bitches" or whatever it is in women you don't like. And we are all guilty of this. But I think people need to wind down sometimes, and take that into consideration. Take things lighter. Cool off. It's much too easy to get your temper up, and your blood pressure skyrocketing. I know this, and I have issues with it myself. I'm quick to anger sadly, and when I want to get even, it's horrible the things I come up with...and I don't even notice the way I'm acting until it's too late... just another trait I don't like about being a chick. ( I've noticed some of the traits are indeed genetic and built-in! Oh, damn these hormones to hell!)
Some things, I truly believe, niether men or women can help. Because it's hormonal. Women are naturally always going to be bitches. some more than others. And men are always going to have issues with...well...whatever they have issues with. I honestly don't know. Maybe horniness I guess. But women can get the same way. Lol. Sex for pleasure is a human condition. not one particular sex. But anyway, I'm rambling. I tend to do that in a good conversation that I can get into.
On a side note, I fucking love it when a mosquito drinks SO MUCH of your blood it can barely fly, and then you squish the little bastard and it goes everywhere. Serves you right, you little buzzing abomination. Hmph. -nods-
>Rather reasonable and understandable. As one grows up, their surroundings make can make them uneasy of a certain behavior, but having simple minds as we are young, we associate them as gender/species/race because we can't see past that. It's almost like how some phobias are started.
It's been both fascinating and terrifying for me to realize how many of my personality traits evolved either from copying my abusive mother, or from defense mechanisms I created to keep myself sane around her. It can get scary, wondering how much of 'me' is just automatic reactions to a past trauma.
>It's not good to say you hate someone because of their sex or race, indeed, but we often might mix our words and say "I hate women" for instance. but what we mean is, "I hate lying bitches" or whatever it is in women you don't like.
Well said. Sometimes I'll say "I hate [group]!" because I hate the image of that group, or their ideas or behaviors. But I also assume people can figure out that, no, I don't hate every single person who belongs to that group on an individual level. I'm thoroughly disgusted by most organized religions, for instance. But my best friend, whom I've known since kindergarten, is Muslim.
>I'm quick to anger sadly, and when I want to get even, it's horrible the things I come up with...and I don't even notice the way I'm acting until it's too late... just another trait I don't like about being a chick.
If that's 'chick' behavior, then I'd better check myself for a vagina. ;)
>Some things, I truly believe, niether men or women can help. Because it's hormonal. Women are naturally always going to be bitches. some more than others. And men are always going to have issues with...well...whatever they have issues with. I honestly don't know. Maybe horniness I guess.
A lot of man problems have to deal with feeling like they need to conform to this rigid image society has for how males should act. Men are expected to be tough and unemotional and be able to solve any problem. Men are often terrified of showing weakness. My Grandpa is the 'strong, silent type', and has been that way so long it's utterly destroyed him inside. He's either completely dead to emotion, or breaks down under the slightest pressure. Thankfully, I avoid most of this stuff by being genre-savvy, if you will. I don't give a shit about society's expectations, so I'll act and feel any damn way I want, and if I'm lost I'll ask for directions.
>On a side note, I fucking love it when a mosquito drinks SO MUCH of your blood it can barely fly, and then you squish the little bastard and it goes everywhere. Serves you right, you little buzzing abomination. Hmph. -nods-
Okeydokey... Reminds me of the opening to Dexter. Ever watch that show? It's excellent.
It's been both fascinating and terrifying for me to realize how many of my personality traits evolved either from copying my abusive mother, or from defense mechanisms I created to keep myself sane around her. It can get scary, wondering how much of 'me' is just automatic reactions to a past trauma.
>It's not good to say you hate someone because of their sex or race, indeed, but we often might mix our words and say "I hate women" for instance. but what we mean is, "I hate lying bitches" or whatever it is in women you don't like.
Well said. Sometimes I'll say "I hate [group]!" because I hate the image of that group, or their ideas or behaviors. But I also assume people can figure out that, no, I don't hate every single person who belongs to that group on an individual level. I'm thoroughly disgusted by most organized religions, for instance. But my best friend, whom I've known since kindergarten, is Muslim.
>I'm quick to anger sadly, and when I want to get even, it's horrible the things I come up with...and I don't even notice the way I'm acting until it's too late... just another trait I don't like about being a chick.
If that's 'chick' behavior, then I'd better check myself for a vagina. ;)
>Some things, I truly believe, niether men or women can help. Because it's hormonal. Women are naturally always going to be bitches. some more than others. And men are always going to have issues with...well...whatever they have issues with. I honestly don't know. Maybe horniness I guess.
A lot of man problems have to deal with feeling like they need to conform to this rigid image society has for how males should act. Men are expected to be tough and unemotional and be able to solve any problem. Men are often terrified of showing weakness. My Grandpa is the 'strong, silent type', and has been that way so long it's utterly destroyed him inside. He's either completely dead to emotion, or breaks down under the slightest pressure. Thankfully, I avoid most of this stuff by being genre-savvy, if you will. I don't give a shit about society's expectations, so I'll act and feel any damn way I want, and if I'm lost I'll ask for directions.
>On a side note, I fucking love it when a mosquito drinks SO MUCH of your blood it can barely fly, and then you squish the little bastard and it goes everywhere. Serves you right, you little buzzing abomination. Hmph. -nods-
Okeydokey... Reminds me of the opening to Dexter. Ever watch that show? It's excellent.
No I've never watched Dexter actually. I'll have to look that up to see what you are talking about...
As for the male problems, you nailed that right on the head. Now that I think about it, that's the things I see with both my father and my fiance. I always try to comfort him and figure out why he has to be so..idk...strong? I actually envy him, and I'm told him this. He's been through ALOT growing up, yet somehow he manages to shake it off. He'll rant to me and get rather upset about things, but it's not even 20 minutes later and he's fine, unless something else happens. With me, I will hold grudges and mope and grump around for a day or two. Both of our families are rather fucked up in their own little ways, so we both have the days where everything is just falling apart, but from experiencing that with him, I've noticed the difference in our angers. When he's mad, it literally scares me, to the point where I fear one day whenever he gets mad and I get to see him in person, I'm a bit afraid that I might show cowardice toward his anger, and that would make him feel awful and I don't like to upset him >.<; But something about yelling....I can feel the tenseness.... I guess that's the testosterone. When men are angered, they get EXTREMELY piping hot mad. When I'm angry, I may be just as mad, but I show it alot differently. I might yell, but it's...hmm...I'm a bit short on words to explain it. But there's indeed a difference.
The media and society has made both sexes feel insecure about the way they truly look, but what most young people that are hypnotized by the media don't know, is that even the most gorgeous models ( not gorgeous in MY opinion >.> ...except for queen latifah. xD But she's not necessarily a model. )is that they use computer nonsense to even morph their models! They will elongate the neck, fix up the jaw line, make the eyes bigger, 'perfect' the nose, etc. Just to get the look of what is 'perfect' to their sick minds. And then they advertise clothing that is stupid and too overpriced like abercrombie and fitch and that junk. And people that wear it literally tease others for not having it? My sister has been in this issue for a long time and it makes me sick. Because even in cities that are considered full of rather poor or working middleclass people, there are a whole lot of uppity cliques who will put you down for anything. When I was growing up, I was teased for being fat. and that was it. Just fat. My sister is beautiful and skinny for her age. There's nothing that I could ever find wrong with her that kids might pick on. She doesn't have big ears or anything. She's got really long legs but kids won't make fun of legs I'm sure. SO what do they do? Call her poor, tell her she has a big nose, tell her she looks anorexic. -__- And then the poor thing starts getting affected with my father's side genes, terrible terrible acne. So she's getting teased way worse than I did as a kid, but there's nothing wrong with her. :/ It's rather heartbreaking. But it's because of the media!
I guess women don't notice the man aspect of it, because some of it is even triggered to us, to take on this shallow aspect of how a man should be. Personally, my taste is odd compared to most, because I love big, hairy, bear-like men. Freaking lumberjacks or something ( Lol!) So I'm not as affected, but I do brush it off and pay no mind. Now that I think about it you are indeed right with the media thing. It's not just women that are targeted it's the men as well. But I think men are far more subtle about it. Because they have dignity and pride that they protect jealously, just as ( I'm assuming alot of women do this? I do it. ) women protect their independence jealously.
It is human nature to judge something before we've never seen it, as long as we have heard of what it's like.
There's a story my history teacher told us not too long ago that I adore, it's a bit long so I will sum it up, since this response is getting long anyway and I have to leave for college x)
Her father, as a young child, and his friend were told by the local bullies of where they lived, that if they wanted to see a yankee, they'd have to pay a dime. And waaaay back then, many southerners thought a certain way of yankees, and their chilldren and children's children adapted these thoughts, and figured yankees were extremely different in looks or something. So the boys ran home and found 20 cents, paid the bullies, and they took them back into a barn, opened the door, and pointed to a young boy, tied and gagged in the mud and hay and said' That there's a yankee!' My teacher said that her father spoke of looking at the boy closely, studying him all over, and he found nothing different. There was nothing different about him than he or his friend.
The moral of that story is precious to life. And people should keep that in mind. This applies to the religion thing as well. And race. Something I myself am guilty of down here where we've moved, I'm not racist at all, but because of my experiences, I am very cautious towards hispanic males. And there are tons down here, and sadly, tons that I have reason to fear. But some, I shouldn't fear, but I do not know them and have trust issues. It's sad, but true.
As for the male problems, you nailed that right on the head. Now that I think about it, that's the things I see with both my father and my fiance. I always try to comfort him and figure out why he has to be so..idk...strong? I actually envy him, and I'm told him this. He's been through ALOT growing up, yet somehow he manages to shake it off. He'll rant to me and get rather upset about things, but it's not even 20 minutes later and he's fine, unless something else happens. With me, I will hold grudges and mope and grump around for a day or two. Both of our families are rather fucked up in their own little ways, so we both have the days where everything is just falling apart, but from experiencing that with him, I've noticed the difference in our angers. When he's mad, it literally scares me, to the point where I fear one day whenever he gets mad and I get to see him in person, I'm a bit afraid that I might show cowardice toward his anger, and that would make him feel awful and I don't like to upset him >.<; But something about yelling....I can feel the tenseness.... I guess that's the testosterone. When men are angered, they get EXTREMELY piping hot mad. When I'm angry, I may be just as mad, but I show it alot differently. I might yell, but it's...hmm...I'm a bit short on words to explain it. But there's indeed a difference.
The media and society has made both sexes feel insecure about the way they truly look, but what most young people that are hypnotized by the media don't know, is that even the most gorgeous models ( not gorgeous in MY opinion >.> ...except for queen latifah. xD But she's not necessarily a model. )is that they use computer nonsense to even morph their models! They will elongate the neck, fix up the jaw line, make the eyes bigger, 'perfect' the nose, etc. Just to get the look of what is 'perfect' to their sick minds. And then they advertise clothing that is stupid and too overpriced like abercrombie and fitch and that junk. And people that wear it literally tease others for not having it? My sister has been in this issue for a long time and it makes me sick. Because even in cities that are considered full of rather poor or working middleclass people, there are a whole lot of uppity cliques who will put you down for anything. When I was growing up, I was teased for being fat. and that was it. Just fat. My sister is beautiful and skinny for her age. There's nothing that I could ever find wrong with her that kids might pick on. She doesn't have big ears or anything. She's got really long legs but kids won't make fun of legs I'm sure. SO what do they do? Call her poor, tell her she has a big nose, tell her she looks anorexic. -__- And then the poor thing starts getting affected with my father's side genes, terrible terrible acne. So she's getting teased way worse than I did as a kid, but there's nothing wrong with her. :/ It's rather heartbreaking. But it's because of the media!
I guess women don't notice the man aspect of it, because some of it is even triggered to us, to take on this shallow aspect of how a man should be. Personally, my taste is odd compared to most, because I love big, hairy, bear-like men. Freaking lumberjacks or something ( Lol!) So I'm not as affected, but I do brush it off and pay no mind. Now that I think about it you are indeed right with the media thing. It's not just women that are targeted it's the men as well. But I think men are far more subtle about it. Because they have dignity and pride that they protect jealously, just as ( I'm assuming alot of women do this? I do it. ) women protect their independence jealously.
It is human nature to judge something before we've never seen it, as long as we have heard of what it's like.
There's a story my history teacher told us not too long ago that I adore, it's a bit long so I will sum it up, since this response is getting long anyway and I have to leave for college x)
Her father, as a young child, and his friend were told by the local bullies of where they lived, that if they wanted to see a yankee, they'd have to pay a dime. And waaaay back then, many southerners thought a certain way of yankees, and their chilldren and children's children adapted these thoughts, and figured yankees were extremely different in looks or something. So the boys ran home and found 20 cents, paid the bullies, and they took them back into a barn, opened the door, and pointed to a young boy, tied and gagged in the mud and hay and said' That there's a yankee!' My teacher said that her father spoke of looking at the boy closely, studying him all over, and he found nothing different. There was nothing different about him than he or his friend.
The moral of that story is precious to life. And people should keep that in mind. This applies to the religion thing as well. And race. Something I myself am guilty of down here where we've moved, I'm not racist at all, but because of my experiences, I am very cautious towards hispanic males. And there are tons down here, and sadly, tons that I have reason to fear. But some, I shouldn't fear, but I do not know them and have trust issues. It's sad, but true.
The only people I offended are people who chose to be offended. Most of them weren't even being genuine; you can tell they saw this cartoon linked to from somewhere and showed up to troll me. And most of them were males anyway, which I don't understand. If people couldn't understand this cartoon was an exaggeration for comedic effect, then well, I'm sorry for them. But if they pretended to be offended just to try to get drama out of me, then I hope they get open sores on their genitals. ^__^
But that's beside the point: You have one of the best user names I have ever seen on FA. :)
But that's beside the point: You have one of the best user names I have ever seen on FA. :)
Do you have any idea how fucking tiresome it is to have to listen to people like you say the same fucking things over and over again about this dumb little cartoon?
Maybe if you wanna analyze my life, you should look at more than just one submission of mine, hm? I have oodles of stories which actually do reflect my true feelings on a variety of issues. And journals, too! Plenty of ways for you to accurately get to know me. Or is that too much trouble?
Maybe if you wanna analyze my life, you should look at more than just one submission of mine, hm? I have oodles of stories which actually do reflect my true feelings on a variety of issues. And journals, too! Plenty of ways for you to accurately get to know me. Or is that too much trouble?
And?
I posted this cartoon THREE YEARS AGO. It was drawn on a whim, and I put about as much effort into it as taking a shit. So what happens? THIS is what gets all the comments. Not the drawings I sketch and ink and spend time laboriously coloring. Not my stories, which I bust my ass on, or my novels, which I bust my ass on for even longer. Not the essays I post as journals, which contain my actual beliefs. NOOOOOO. THIS FUCKING THING.
I'm sorry if my anger at you is disproportionate, but you had the misfortune to be the straw that broke my back on this. This is written not so much towards you personally, as it is to every single person who has commented on this with something that's either rude, inaccurate, or has already been said. I dread seeing the name of this submission on my comments page. I wince at knowing I'm going to have to say the same damn shit over again to someone else I've never heard of before. I'm honestly glad that you were much more polite than some of the people I've dealt with. But the fact remains, you did a dumb thing: you took a stupid cartoon seriously. When I posted this, I foolishly thought it'd attract a chuckle or two at most, and it would largely be ignored otherwise. I underestimated people's ability to recognize exaggeration when they saw it. This drawing is a scribble; its only meaning is a cheap laugh. Although the wave of offense it's generated has made me wonder if maybe I didn't cut deeper than I intended. It's been my observation that people react more strongly to the insults they fear might be true. I know that I do. So maybe I struck a nerve without realizing it. I did base what the female here says off of my own mother's behavior, and most of the women in my family. Do I think this is how all women are? Of course not. That would be stupid of me, and it'd be stupid of anyone else to think that of me. But I know for a fact that some women are like this. I've asked myself why I don't just delete this cartoon when it causes me so much grief. I think it's because I hate people who are like what I described. I deeply hate that kind of behavior, whether it's in men or women. And I want to offend people who act like that, because they fucking deserve to be called out on their bullshit.
So by now I expect comments from people who want to tear my head off for this. But I still don't get why people like you comment. I'm guessing someone linked you to this, or you saw it in someone's favorites, because you've never commented on anything else of mine (to the best of my knowledge). What you should have done was read through the comments here. You would have seen that there was pretty much nothing you could say that I haven't heard before. You aren't like the female in my example? That's great! In complete sincerity; good for you. But I already know that women like you exist. There was no point in telling me. So, pretty please with sugar on top, either go away, or say something more interesting. You're not like what I described; okay, then how did this cartoon make you feel? How did you imagine me for drawing it? Has that perception changed? Would it have changed had you read the comments? Do you know any people like this yourself? There is actual discussion to be had about this image, sure, but people usually just say things I already know or have already heard. I am begging you; be different or be gone.
I posted this cartoon THREE YEARS AGO. It was drawn on a whim, and I put about as much effort into it as taking a shit. So what happens? THIS is what gets all the comments. Not the drawings I sketch and ink and spend time laboriously coloring. Not my stories, which I bust my ass on, or my novels, which I bust my ass on for even longer. Not the essays I post as journals, which contain my actual beliefs. NOOOOOO. THIS FUCKING THING.
I'm sorry if my anger at you is disproportionate, but you had the misfortune to be the straw that broke my back on this. This is written not so much towards you personally, as it is to every single person who has commented on this with something that's either rude, inaccurate, or has already been said. I dread seeing the name of this submission on my comments page. I wince at knowing I'm going to have to say the same damn shit over again to someone else I've never heard of before. I'm honestly glad that you were much more polite than some of the people I've dealt with. But the fact remains, you did a dumb thing: you took a stupid cartoon seriously. When I posted this, I foolishly thought it'd attract a chuckle or two at most, and it would largely be ignored otherwise. I underestimated people's ability to recognize exaggeration when they saw it. This drawing is a scribble; its only meaning is a cheap laugh. Although the wave of offense it's generated has made me wonder if maybe I didn't cut deeper than I intended. It's been my observation that people react more strongly to the insults they fear might be true. I know that I do. So maybe I struck a nerve without realizing it. I did base what the female here says off of my own mother's behavior, and most of the women in my family. Do I think this is how all women are? Of course not. That would be stupid of me, and it'd be stupid of anyone else to think that of me. But I know for a fact that some women are like this. I've asked myself why I don't just delete this cartoon when it causes me so much grief. I think it's because I hate people who are like what I described. I deeply hate that kind of behavior, whether it's in men or women. And I want to offend people who act like that, because they fucking deserve to be called out on their bullshit.
So by now I expect comments from people who want to tear my head off for this. But I still don't get why people like you comment. I'm guessing someone linked you to this, or you saw it in someone's favorites, because you've never commented on anything else of mine (to the best of my knowledge). What you should have done was read through the comments here. You would have seen that there was pretty much nothing you could say that I haven't heard before. You aren't like the female in my example? That's great! In complete sincerity; good for you. But I already know that women like you exist. There was no point in telling me. So, pretty please with sugar on top, either go away, or say something more interesting. You're not like what I described; okay, then how did this cartoon make you feel? How did you imagine me for drawing it? Has that perception changed? Would it have changed had you read the comments? Do you know any people like this yourself? There is actual discussion to be had about this image, sure, but people usually just say things I already know or have already heard. I am begging you; be different or be gone.
Apology fully accepted. And I'm sorry too. Really, you just had the bad luck to comment at exactly the wrong time. Imagine a man who is being continually poked for hours with sharp pencils. Then you, innocently enough, tap him on the shoulder. He explodes. That's pretty much this in a nutshell.
Here, just read this: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/674...../#cid:38971691
When I read your posts, I had a hunch you were female from the way you talked. But I didn't want to assume that. I didn't want to judge you based on stereotypes and two angry comments. So I checked out your profile page, then went over to your DA account. While it was loading up, I was saying to myself, 'Please let me be wrong. Please let me be wrong...' And then I saw your profile pic. And you look exactly like I expected you to. <headdesk>
If you don't want me to believe stereotypes, then don't be one.
I know several perfectly nice and normal female furries on this site. MoodyFerret, BabsBunny and Razzek, for example. Yet again and again I run into women like you, who openly insult me for 'hating women', yet they can't seem to understand that maybe it's actually their behavior that I hate. Call me all the names you want, but I judge people based on how they act, not their gender. I don't hate women; I hate rude women. I hate judgmental women. I hate women who have an attitude of not caring how offensive they are to everyone else, yet they expect to be taken dead seriously the moment something offends them. And I hate all of these behaviors just as much in men too.
If this drawing upset you, you could have ignored it. You could even have told me about it in a calm, respectful way that would make me want to listen to you and possibly apologize. Instead, you called me a "sexist bigot" and "a disgrace to homosexuals everywhere". That's real classy. How'd you like to be called something like that yourself? How would you react?
In the future, if you want "bigots" like me to have a better opinion of women, how about teaching by example? And if a simple stick-figure drawing upsets you so much, maybe it's YOU who should leave the internet. At least until you learn how to act like a grown up.
If you don't want me to believe stereotypes, then don't be one.
I know several perfectly nice and normal female furries on this site. MoodyFerret, BabsBunny and Razzek, for example. Yet again and again I run into women like you, who openly insult me for 'hating women', yet they can't seem to understand that maybe it's actually their behavior that I hate. Call me all the names you want, but I judge people based on how they act, not their gender. I don't hate women; I hate rude women. I hate judgmental women. I hate women who have an attitude of not caring how offensive they are to everyone else, yet they expect to be taken dead seriously the moment something offends them. And I hate all of these behaviors just as much in men too.
If this drawing upset you, you could have ignored it. You could even have told me about it in a calm, respectful way that would make me want to listen to you and possibly apologize. Instead, you called me a "sexist bigot" and "a disgrace to homosexuals everywhere". That's real classy. How'd you like to be called something like that yourself? How would you react?
In the future, if you want "bigots" like me to have a better opinion of women, how about teaching by example? And if a simple stick-figure drawing upsets you so much, maybe it's YOU who should leave the internet. At least until you learn how to act like a grown up.
How can I make a better example for women if I myself am not just a woman? And what "Stereotype" do I fall under? Judgmental? Hah. I actually came here because I read an ED article about you and wanted to see for myself and form my own opinion on you. I suppose you can guess what that is, now.
Also, if someone told me I was a disgrace to homosexuals everywhere, I would respond with, "lol I'm not gay."
Also, if someone told me I was a disgrace to homosexuals everywhere, I would respond with, "lol I'm not gay."
Allright; an intelligent an non-insulting response. Good. Like I said to that other person, I don't mind discussing this image, but I'm sick of just exchanging insults with strangers over it.
>How can I make a better example for women if I myself am not just a woman?
I'm not sure I understand the question.
>And what "Stereotype" do I fall under? Judgmental? Hah.
Easily offended, for one. Quick to judge. Did you allow yourself to consider the possibility that I wasn't serious about this? That maybe I knew, just as well as you do, that it's ridiculous to say that all women or all men are like this, or that this could 'turn someone gay'?
(To clarify, I didn't mean like a cultural stereotype of all women; I meant how there's certain patterns I've seen from the thousands of people I've talked to here on FA. From lots of past experience, my instincts said 'female' when I read your posts. My instincts aren't always right though, of course.)
>I actually came here because I read an ED article about you and wanted to see for myself and form my own opinion on you. I suppose you can guess what that is, now.
Sure; the same opinion you already wanted to have of me when you started. Did you read any of the comments or just the cartoon? Did you even read the description? If you came here from ED, read through my true feelings on the subject, and still think I'm a bigot, then that's fair enough. I can accept that there's people who simply don't like me and think I'm wrong, and all I ask is for them to base that on my real beliefs and actions.
But if you came here from ED, read just the cartoon, and then immediately commented... then no; you did not try to get to know me first. You'd already decided how you felt about me and were looking for confirmation of it.
>Also, if someone told me I was a disgrace to homosexuals everywhere, I would respond with, "lol I'm not gay."
Which is why I said "How'd you like to be called something like that yourself?" Say someone hates Avatar and out of nowhere calls you 'a disgrace to all furries' for liking it. Is your first reaction going to be to engage them in polite discussion about the film? Or would your first reaction be to want them to go away?
>How can I make a better example for women if I myself am not just a woman?
I'm not sure I understand the question.
>And what "Stereotype" do I fall under? Judgmental? Hah.
Easily offended, for one. Quick to judge. Did you allow yourself to consider the possibility that I wasn't serious about this? That maybe I knew, just as well as you do, that it's ridiculous to say that all women or all men are like this, or that this could 'turn someone gay'?
(To clarify, I didn't mean like a cultural stereotype of all women; I meant how there's certain patterns I've seen from the thousands of people I've talked to here on FA. From lots of past experience, my instincts said 'female' when I read your posts. My instincts aren't always right though, of course.)
>I actually came here because I read an ED article about you and wanted to see for myself and form my own opinion on you. I suppose you can guess what that is, now.
Sure; the same opinion you already wanted to have of me when you started. Did you read any of the comments or just the cartoon? Did you even read the description? If you came here from ED, read through my true feelings on the subject, and still think I'm a bigot, then that's fair enough. I can accept that there's people who simply don't like me and think I'm wrong, and all I ask is for them to base that on my real beliefs and actions.
But if you came here from ED, read just the cartoon, and then immediately commented... then no; you did not try to get to know me first. You'd already decided how you felt about me and were looking for confirmation of it.
>Also, if someone told me I was a disgrace to homosexuals everywhere, I would respond with, "lol I'm not gay."
Which is why I said "How'd you like to be called something like that yourself?" Say someone hates Avatar and out of nowhere calls you 'a disgrace to all furries' for liking it. Is your first reaction going to be to engage them in polite discussion about the film? Or would your first reaction be to want them to go away?
>I'm not sure I understand the question.
I'm bigendered.
>Easily Offended
I'll agree to that one.
>The same opinion you wanted to have about me when you started.
How can i want to have an opinion on you? I had no opinion on you until I came to this page. I tend to think most furries are normal and good people, regardless of their internet infamy.
Oh, and I didn't come here from ED. Technically I came to ED from here.
>Someone that hates Avatar
I'd say "lolrz". Also, comparing a movie to sexual orientation: XD
I'm bigendered.
>Easily Offended
I'll agree to that one.
>The same opinion you wanted to have about me when you started.
How can i want to have an opinion on you? I had no opinion on you until I came to this page. I tend to think most furries are normal and good people, regardless of their internet infamy.
Oh, and I didn't come here from ED. Technically I came to ED from here.
>Someone that hates Avatar
I'd say "lolrz". Also, comparing a movie to sexual orientation: XD
>I'm bigendered.
Okay, well I didn't know. I do know several people who aren't simply male or female, so it's not something I mind.
>How can i want to have an opinion on you?
Because that's how all human beings are wired. We tend to base our opinions on emotion just as much as reason, and we all have confirmation bias.
I had no opinion on you until I came to this page. I tend to think most furries are normal and good people, regardless of their internet infamy.
That's good. I do too.
You didn't answer my question though. Did you look at the comments or description for this drawing before you commented?
>Oh, and I didn't come here from ED. Technically I came to ED from here.
...What? Didn't you say you saw my page there and then came to this submission?
>Also, comparing a movie to sexual orientation: XD
Um, no. I wasn't making a comparison. It was just the only thing I knew offhand about you from your profile.
Still, you said you'd just 'lol' at that, which was the point I was trying to make. You'd brush them off. My first instinct was to brush you off too, but I didn't.
Okay, well I didn't know. I do know several people who aren't simply male or female, so it's not something I mind.
>How can i want to have an opinion on you?
Because that's how all human beings are wired. We tend to base our opinions on emotion just as much as reason, and we all have confirmation bias.
I had no opinion on you until I came to this page. I tend to think most furries are normal and good people, regardless of their internet infamy.
That's good. I do too.
You didn't answer my question though. Did you look at the comments or description for this drawing before you commented?
>Oh, and I didn't come here from ED. Technically I came to ED from here.
...What? Didn't you say you saw my page there and then came to this submission?
>Also, comparing a movie to sexual orientation: XD
Um, no. I wasn't making a comparison. It was just the only thing I knew offhand about you from your profile.
Still, you said you'd just 'lol' at that, which was the point I was trying to make. You'd brush them off. My first instinct was to brush you off too, but I didn't.
>I read the description first, yes.
Do you still think I'm a disgrace to homosexuals everywhere? ;)
>And, really, I went to ED because of all the furries here that have articles. I like to laugh.
<shrug> I can't laugh at ED. Not because I think it's immoral or anything, but just because it's so... lazy. My page there is so sloppy and odd I'm like, 'What the hell is this?' I can't understand the appeal of ED in the same way I can't understand how people find Jim Belushi funny.
Do you still think I'm a disgrace to homosexuals everywhere? ;)
>And, really, I went to ED because of all the furries here that have articles. I like to laugh.
<shrug> I can't laugh at ED. Not because I think it's immoral or anything, but just because it's so... lazy. My page there is so sloppy and odd I'm like, 'What the hell is this?' I can't understand the appeal of ED in the same way I can't understand how people find Jim Belushi funny.
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