i think its bad that i just read that with pinkie pie's voice in my head

Because of that one story "Cupcakes". Don't read it, seriously. It's like...indescribable.

That combined with how much people seem to love clinging onto non-canon fan stuff, and you've got what you said.

No, I know about that story. I'm asking, why does evil shit like that have such traction?

Because like I said, people love to cling to fan-made stuff and pretend it's real.

Yeah, and it's fine with stuff like "The googly-eyed pegasus is named Derpy Hooves and delivers the mail" or even "Lyra and Bon Bon are lovers"; I just wish they wouldn't get into such dark, nasty territory. I shouldn't be surprised; it's nothing new. What surprises me is how badly I'm reacting to it.

I love pinky :) i don't understand why anyone would draw her with her crazy straight hair. have you seen the all the epasode?

Yes. As seen in "Party of One", straight-haired Pinkie is sad Pinkie, lonely Pinkie, Pinkie under the misapprehension that her friends don't like her anymore. Yet I've seen occasional comments on places like Equestria Daily and Ponychan from people saying "I like Pinkie better like this." It hurts my appreciation of the show like nothing fan-based has ever hurt my appreciation of any show ever before.

yeah i know I don't like people drawing her as sad. :(

I think part of this is just that the writers aren't quite sure what to do with her normal, bouncy, random self. Pinky Pie and Rarity are the two most inconsistently written ponies on the show. The straight-maned Pinky gives her a little more depth than just "Oh Pinky, u so random" that has characterized her up until that point. Which is not to say that I think Pinky is terrible and deserves to suffer, just offering an explanation for this phenomenon. Personally, I <3 Pinky Pie, randomness and all. :3

I think you're right. I feel as if even the writers don't understand her like I do.

Unstable, bipolar, crazy, hyperactive, the list goes on.

skitso, socially disturbed, ADHD, violent nature.. what else is there?

But she's also supposed to be *funny*.

The Joker is evil AND funny.

*Nods*

To be honest, I've always seen the Joker more as a lame ex-comedian who thinks he's funny, and everyone just goes along with it because he's so unstable. (But then, I'm not all that well versed in the Batman mythos. Almost everything I know about comic book canon I learned from watching Atop the Fourth Wall.)

That sounds about right. Of course, what's funny to the characters and what's funny to the audience may be two different things. The Joker's brand of comedy traffics in cruelty and coal-black irony. It fits him. It does not fit Pinkie Pie. So when I see people say things like "I bet Pinkie's cutie-mark story is not really true; I bet it changes every time she tells it; she's the Joker!" I shake my head and say, "You don't *get* it."

I don't believe Pinkie's cutie mark story either, but I agree that Pinkie Pie is awesome and not a psycho. Really, she seemed more of a danger to herself than her friends in Party Of One.

Why do so many people not believe her cutie mark story?! There's nothing more outlandish in it than any of the others.

Rarity was dragged for miles by her own horn to a huge rock full of precious gems? YEAH RIGHT
Fluttershy was knocked off a cloud, fell almost to her death, but was saved by a swarm of butterflies? PSHYEAH HUH
Twilight experienced a massive surge of magic power that hatched a dragon egg, instantly aged it to adulthood, and turned her parents into plants? REE-DICKLE-WOCKLE
Rainbow Dash broke the sound barrier under her own power and made some kinda weird radial rainbow? O RLY
Applejack... um... let's see here... uhh, she moved to the big city and met a pony who had *never heard of a rooster*? GIMME A BREAK



:}

The main problem I have with the rock farm story is the logic. I can accept certain natural laws being different in this universe, like the weather ponies and magic. However, I can't figure out why they have to move the rocks to the other field, or what retail value those rocks would have. It seems like such a business would be a quarry or mine, but in her story it's a farm. It's possible that she helped around a quarry but viewed it as a farm.
I suppose I could accept it if rocks had different natural laws in that universe, like being grown like plants and people being willing to pay money for said boring rocks, but I haven't seen any reference in the cartoon to rocks being created by growing like vegetables nor being a commodity. I guess they might be grinding them up into gravel. *shrug*
Basically, her story seems outside the norm even for that universe.

The theory I think sounds best is that it wasn't exactly a rock farm, maybe it was a rock quarry or a turnip farm with very poor-quality soil, and she's just remembering it a bit wrong; i.e., whatever it was, it was boring and dreary and it might as well have been a rock farm.

What sucks is I just read all that while looking at your icon. At that point, every word I read sounded like a deranged scream.

you cant spell "slaughter" without "laughter"

To be perfectly honest, I don't think of her as a psycho, she's just a tad too hyper for me.

She's not a psycho. To put it in TVTropes terms, she's a Cloudcuckoolander, a Genki Girl, a Ditz... but she is not Axe Crazy.

I know that. It's just, she just gets a little annoying for me. But she's still kinda funny, especially with her little Evil Enchantress song. :P I guess I like Pinky. :)

I've liked her ever since the scene where Twilight can't find any books about the Elements of Harmony:

Pinkie: "Elements of Harmony: A Reference Guide."
Twilight: "How did you find it??"
Pinkie: "IT WAS UNDER EEEEEE!"
Twilight: "...Oh."

Haha! Well, I guess I can't consider myself a Pinkie hater anymore. :D

But if I had to choose a pony to like, I'd pick Rainbow Dash. :P

I like you pinkie.

Don't let the haters get you down, Pinky! <3

I've avoided reading "Cupcakes" for exactly this reason. I LIKE Pinkie Pie as the bouncing, giggly, laugh-a-minute party animal she canonically is!

Same here! My usual way of dealing with it is to pretend that fic doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. Anyone who speaks of such a thing is clearly delusional. Because c'mon, this is Pinkie Pie we're talking about! She wouldn't hurt a fly! Well, not deliberately. :}

Alternate ending, it was all a nightmare https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Bz0uoaPEmWsHOThhODkyNjgtMjIxMi00NTRiLWExNmEtNTllMzhjZDBkYmNi&hl=en

As far as I'm concerned, that is THE ending, and no other ending exists.

If the whole story actually existed, that is. Which it doesn't.

It's only a cartoon character. Geez.

Some people like dark stuff. Especially in contrast with a character who is typically not. It can be interesting to see different creative interpretations. This would be why yandere are so popular.

It's kinda like Rule 34 though! It doesn't make the real version of the character not exist anymore, I so tend not to mind it too much.

Yeah. But I guess I identify with Pinkie Pie too strongly to not be bothered by it. She's like the KT of Ponyville!

Hey, you should see what people do with Pokemon when they want to get creepy! It's kind of a proud internet tradition.

But, I know how you feel.

Thanks. :}

didnt know all that happened sheesh, i love pinky pie!

I may be blowing it out of proportion a bit, but I just had to get that off my chest.

gotta say tho pony porn on this site killed some of the innocence that MLP has, but they easily repair it every episode

It's just a running joke with MLP fans. The "logic" is that Pinkie bounces around and laughs a lot, so she must secretly be Equestria's version of The Joker.

It had pretty much run its course as a joke until Party of One aired. It'll peter out again before too long.

But it should be noted that many of the people who like this meme also like Pinkie, in her canon, silly self.

Yeah, I just don't understand the mindset behind the whole "This character is so happy they must be EVIL" thing.

(And yes, aaaargh, Party of One pissed me off for mainly that reason!)

It is a bit silly. I think some people just can't accept that it's possible for someone to actually be happy most of the time without them also being either stupid or insane.

After the first couple of episodes made it clear that Pinkie is not stupid, this theory emerged. Still, I wouldn't worry on it too much. Pinkie has tons of fans. If any pony of the mane six needs more love from the fanbase, it's Applejack.

I rather enjoy Pinkie Pie. Though the psychotic episode was pretty funny too!

I adore Pinkie Pie. "BATS!! BATS ON MY FACE!!!"

OOH!! I know!!!! Have Pinkie throw a party on the internet!!!

"It's the Internet's birthday!"

And, Lili, that Avatar is really starting to creep me out. Srsly.

*just stares*

Oh wow.

KT must really be...

Well, something over this. I've never seen him make a post with proper grammer in my life.

As to why people don't like the character, I don't know.

This show is MAGIC.

...I like her. I know that I was one of the first people to draw the Elfen Lied analogy after THAT episode, but I really do like her

Poor Pinkie. She doesn't deserve the crap she gets for being a loveable psycho.

Well, I think it's something like this:

Turning something cute and innocent into something horrendous and evil is an art form. It's one of the staples of many a good horror, just think of the number of evil clowns, evil dolls, evil pets and so on. One of the reasons why it's so powerful is because of its uncanniness; The border between cute and creepy is surprisingly thin.

For example, Pinkie said she was glad her friends stick with her, despite them not understanding her reasoning. Immediately afterwards, she claims that there were times when she herself didn't understand her reasoning. Think about that for a second: At the time, it sounded whimsical and fun, and it was. However, we could also interpret her words in a way that suggests she has only limited control over her own actions, and feels distanced from herself (i.e. suffers from mental problems). Just what is a Pinkie capable of when she doesn't realise why she does things, and might be powerless to stop herself? Alone in her mind, with thought processes random at best and incomprehensible at worst to everyone around her, including her (only) friends? That's the kind of pondering that birthes things like Cupcakes. You could write something about what I just noted.

The important word here being could. We don't have to; It's a thought experiment, a mental exercise. Creating a work of fiction, and therefore a piece of art. Artists try different venues, and different genres. Genres that draw more (or more prolific) Artists will become ever more prevalent through sheer numbers. And as technicolor_pie rightly pointed out, a lot of people are into dark stuff, like horror. I know I am. There might be even more people into shipping, though, so a lot of works deal with that.

There might be another factor at work, as well. Perhaps some writers think horror is easy: Just have somebody splatter a lot of blood, some screams, ominous ending, done. It's not that simple, of course, and to me a good horror mainly differentiates itself from a bad (or mediocre) one through its atmosphere, not the amount of blood that can be spilled in under twenty seconds. Which is why Cupcakes itself wasn't all that interesting.

I hope this goes at least a little way towards answering your question. Believe me, most people like Pinkie Pie. You can spot those that don't because they a) say so or b) never write about her at all. Also, wall of text hits you for gawdawful damage!

Cheers!

I've often thought that Pinkie Pie is crazy because she's not completely a pony. Well, that's not quite accurate. She's a pony-shaped vessel for... SOMETHING. In a world of magic and rainbows and flowers and a completely controlled ecosystem, Pinkie Pie is bouncy and joyful and crazy enough to freak out other ponies. Some people interpret that as being on the brink of insanity so psychotic as to become unfathomably bloodthirsty.

I prefer the idea that Pinkie Pie is one of many successive incarnations of some kind of power, a demigod who Celestia and Luna might call upon to use in times of dire threat to Equestria as a whole. So great is the power contained that it must have a sapient being as its vessel. Kind of like Anveena was the incarnation of the Sunwell's power.

After all, everyone just ASSUMED Pinkie was just being crazy Pinkie when she told a story of her working on a rock farm and then throwing a party... and ended with "And that's how Equestria was made!"

I have to laugh at people who doubt Pinkie's story because they're like "Rock farm, YEAH RIGHT" and yet they're perfectly okay with the weather being manufactured by flying ponies in a factory in the clouds. :}

There's three possibilities in my mind.
1) Pinkie Pie's story is literally just how she got her cutie mark, and the "and that's how" finisher was just her little bit of chaos to make the CMC go "huh?!"
2) Pinkie Pie's story is metaphorical, the rock farm represents a mineral research lab or something and her experiment or her ancestor's experiment caused The Beginning Of The World As We Know It.
3) Pinkie Pie's story is completely literal AND is both how she got her cutie mark and how Equestria was made. This one makes my brain hurt.

I firmly believe it's #1. I'm sure most of the really crazy things Pinkie says are just jokes that no one else gets.

Anyway, my preferred explanation is that Pinkie Pie is the only pony who's aware she's a cartoon character.

Actually, I've also hypothesized that Princes Celestia is another one. :}

That... That actually makes a very, VERY large amount of sense. Pinkie Pie's "And that's how Equestria was made!" could just be her way of finishing off the story of how she got her cutie mark with a genre-savvy Chekov's Gun, thinking to herself "Ooh! I bet the writers for next season can spin that in an AWESOME way, wheeeee!"

And it makes even more sense in "Feeling Pinkie Keen" when she essentially tells Twilight to trust in her own plot armor. AND IT WORKS.

Oh, where she tells her to take a leap of faith? Yeah!

Hah! I eat walls of text for breakfast.

I call it TEXTFEAST.

I think part of it is that Pinkie Pie is such an unusual, unique character that a lot of folks do not know what simple stereotype to plug her into. That causes confusion and leads them to lump her in some odd categories. "Party of One" did not help in that it portrayed her as a having an extremely fragile ego and maybe even being really a bit nuts. Ironically, I would have thought most furs would have identified with this *winks.* All kidding aside though, I do understand what they were trying to do in that episode - Pinkie Pie was in danger of becoming a one-note, no depth running joke of a character, and this episode did show there was more to her than that. We see she can suffer and feel down just like everyone else. As far as her 'snapping,' I suspect Rarity would do something very similar if anyone ever called her 'ugly.' Cannot wait to see THAT episode ^^

Well, there was "A Dog and Pony Show". Granted, that was more Rarity manipulating her captors.

Yes, she did not really lose control at any point. And her 'whining' reminded me SO MUCH of one person I know it was uncanny...

I love Pinky Pie, she's the bitchenest party queen EVER!

People love twisting things and seeing how things would be if they were different. It's the basis of humor, "Bizarro" worlds in comics, Opposite Day among kids, and various horror stories and urban legends. That's why pretending Pinkie is nuts in the knife-wielding way is so popular. It isn't that everyone hates her, just that they like things like clowns being creepy, retired nurses being psychos, and other such 'what if good, wholesome things weren't?' stuff.

I know. This was more of a rhetorical "WHY GOD WHY" kinda "why", really.

It's more scary when someone who you would never expect turns out to secretly be etc. yadda yadda

To be honest, the scenes from Party of One are far more creative and terrifying than Cupcakes could ever hope to be:

Maybe Dash managed to get away from Pinkie this time, wait does that bell have eyes...HOLY CRAP!
The Pinkie Stare and her: "I KNOW YOU'RE IN THERE" line outside the barn.


I'm not saying that you shouldn't feel bothered by it, it's pointless to argue about how someone SHOULD feel about something when it doesn't change how they actually FEEL about something.
Just don't let bring you down kay

I might have enjoyed Party of One if THE INTERNET hadn't totally ruined the idea of "scary Pinkie" for me. Thing is, now I'll never know.

...FOREVERRRRRR! *eats apple*

Mmm, juicy!

On the internet, people try so very hard to be cool. And Pinkie Pie is not cool. Pinkie Pie is sincere, which is the opposite of cool. She's sincere in the same way that Fred Rogers was sincere, though her means of expression are completely the opposite. She wants you to smile. She wants you to have fun. And she wants to have a party with you!

And so people who trade in cool want to see her as creepy, in the same way they found Mr. Rogers creepy. They have no idea how to handle honest good will. They have to find a way to lump it into a cynical worldview, and "crazy" is all they've got.

And of course there's the potential for making others unhappy, or, as they tend to put it, "lulz". There's always the lulz. The more it affects you, the more they got what they wanted.

Yeah. Pinkie Pie is weird, but it's *my* kinda weird. That's what I like about her. And when fans write stuff that turns her in the kind of weird that I *don't* like, I guess it feels like they're taking her away from me. It's like, I can enjoy the show, but to do so I have to hold the rest of the fanbase at arm's length. If I browse Equestria Daily or Ponychan, I'm sure to find something that will creep me out or piss me off, and if that happens late at night, I end up going to be angry. That's happened far too often lately. It's like, for all their talk about how MLP has made them friendly and happy and loving and tolerant, it smells like bullshit to me when *this* nonsense keeps getting thrown in my face.

That doesn't explain why the biggest following "Cupcakes" has is not on 4chan or some other branch of the "Internet Hate Machine", but on Ponychan, which is as explicit about its warm, friendly, sincerely fun-loving attitude. These are the ones who treat it like it was nothing, and last I checked, 4chan still has an attitude of "we don't talk about that one fanfic".

"as explicit... as you can pretty much get on the Internet" is how I would have finished that sentence if it hadn't gotten away from me.

That's totally backwards!

I blame that fanfic. I like Pinkie Pie.

Well, Pinkie Pie can be a bit hard to take, even for the other ponies. Throw in the fact that she's a lot like PowerPuff Girls' Bubbles, as well as being the cartooniest pony, and she's a bit jarring. Not to mention the way she came across in "Party of One"...

Oh no, now Pinkie's hair will smooth down, and she'll have a webchat with an empty irc room, and her brain will fill in the chatters.
"Yes Cap'n'notepad, they will regret not liking me online! What's that Miss Cursor, oh I know... I know."

No, that's only what happens when she thinks her friends have deserted her and she loses hope. Some random guy (or griffon) being mean to her, she can handle just fine.

So many mean Gilda/Gildos out there.

She just needs another episode where she does something really silly and funny and somepony else doesn't steal the spotlight minutes later with her own emotional breakdown.

Unfortunately, she didn't get one before the season ended. So the next best thing is some really awesome fan project for the fans to get distracted by in the next month or so, preferably with a silly Pinkie Pie Classic in a major role.

Hoo boy. I've got an idea for a six-page Pinkie comic, which I came up with several days ago, in which Pinkie pranks her friends by scaring them.

I think I'll go ahead and draw it, though, because the scares are just momentary startles, not anything persistently creepy, and it does keep her in character and show how much she cares about her friends.

Doo eet!

Okay!

...
There, done! Check my latest submissions.

Yay!

I tolerate it because I know it's not going away, but personally I don't care for the fanbase turning Pinkie Pie into some kinda Sweeny Todd expy either. I prefer comedy and fun times over angsty melodrama and death.

I love Pinkie Pie for being the cute, self-aware cartoony pony she is, doing feats like holding an end-episode ellipse open, catching up to Rainbow Dash like Pepe Le Pew, slamming a pie in her own face, spontaneously breaking into song, and extending her tongue to pull in a cake and eat it in one gulp.

Exactly!

Pssst, KP, Pinkie isn't sad there, her hair is all still poofy and bouncy.

Pinkie's hair doesn't straighten out every time she feels a bit mopey about something. It's when she thinks she's lost all her friends that that happens.

I haven't noticed all that much stuff like that, but for what it's worth, I don't like it either. And I think it's kinda sweet that you have come to her defense, heh heh. :3

Never reading Cupcakes. Ever.

I thought the bit with Pinkie temporarily losing it was hilarious and well-written, but no, I don't like how far some people take it. Within the zaniness, I feel the creators also wanted to point out that even the "comic relief" has feelings and even the funniest people you know have fragile weaknesses (in fact, if you ask many comedians, they used comedy itself as a way to break free from the negative effects of these areas).

In short, Pinkie Pie actually leans heavily on her friends and making them happy as part of who she is. Portraying her as a psycho killer goes completely against her identity.

Exactly! The people who claim that the fanfic is plausible... I worry about them.

(Re your first line: Very good choice. By which I mean, "What are you talking about?! You don't *read* cupcakes, you *eat* them! Cupcakes are sweet and delicious.")

I will only read cupcakes possessing cheerful, uplifting messages like "Hapvw Mnulh Milnum Nim."

http://ponibooru.413chan.net/_image.....pinkie_pie.png

That's not a cupcake, that's a real cake! (Well, to be precise, it's a cartoon cake.) But I thought it said "Mappw Nuhia Pumun Nm".

(Also, here's a question: are those icing roses or real roses?)

Those are definitely real cartoon roses. If Mrs. Cake doesn't have the skills to squeeze out proper English onto her creation, there's no way she can make icing roses like that!

Actually, for all we know, that might be proper Equestrian.

Or at least soshō Equestrian.

Pinkie is awesome just the way she is.

I'm actually working on a fic which puts the ponies in a ridiculously grimdark setting but tries to keep all the ponies in character. Including Pinkie.

*cries* Oh Pinkie Pie! *hugs her*

Do you know what his calls for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w2fsaCkOFQ

A PARTY

I think this way about Fallout Equestria. Why does everyone on the internet want Equestria to blow up into an irradiated wasteland? And make Zebras evil? Do they want people to hate Zecora? What, are Zebras taking their candy-colored wimminz and menz? Is Applebloom not allowed to spend time alone with Zecora anymore?

I know, right? If these people love the show so much, why do they think it's fun to destroy its world? I just don't get it.

I asked the author once. The entire point seemed to be that once she has blown up the world, killed the Mane six and the princesses and disintegrated almost all the population, she found the world far more hopeful, now that ponies were starving to death and being burned by radiation. She had endless hope and majesty with ponies living in squallor and misery, having to struggle. I mean, sure, they were happy and hopeful before, but come on. Happy ponies living in a happy land? How BORING. Who would watch that?

Ah. This is obviously some strange usage of the word "hopeful" that I hadn't previously been aware of.

I completely agree with you. I also despise the "Cupcakes" fandom.