Hell yeah!!

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ACGU

All Cops Go Underfoot

Macro ACAB is Peak :)

I decided I wanted the lore to be that the police station was empty already, because there are a few really funny directions to take that lack of explicit violence that get to be surprisingly wholesome, and I wanna do even more art on this theme.

Oh yes of course, I didn't mean to imply otherwise! I'm not a big foot of da violent macro stuff myself

I wrote foot instead of fan by mistake, but decided to leave it

You did the right thing, that was a very good typo.

Good shit!!

Thanks! Not my usual work, but it's nice to break out of the rusty cage and process my feelings in a healthier way.

I can tell

The markmaking and texture in this is absolutely gorgeous and I get similar feelings from this as I do from looking at Alex Schaefer's banks on fire. Fantastic.

What a huge compliment that is! I've been fantasizing about their paintings for some time. :>

I didn't??? But there are so many variants! You referring to the red stripes?

Oh wait, you're a cop? Well, I'll be interested in your feedback after you turn in your badge. 💙

In case anyone is curious, their bio says DNI if ACAB and then they initiated an interaction directly with me for some reason. I don't often need to block on FA, but I wouldn't trust someone with that level of cognitive dissonance, especially if they act like this after needing to make a new account for some reason.

Leaving these comments up in case it's helpful to others.

This piece is so inspired, oh my god

It is extremely inspired. Sure wish I didn't need to do it!

we need more big beefy furry men turning police stations into rubble

Agreed. Tell your friends!

slaay

Serving and protecting in a cool new way 💅

i agree, sex and politics are completely separate areas with no relation to one another :)

They blocked me after adding this comment, so here is my response, in hopes of it helping others:

TezzerNerarth
10 hours ago
I see in the tags "communism and anarchism" those fit well one leads to police states and the other hates police states. I don't care if some one is left, right, up, down, in politics but stuffing them into kink art is very manipulative and ridiculous, they don't mix or work with the other just like those tags.

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From stigmata:

The anarchism/communism tags are referencing the colours on the underwear, in this case. While communism and anarchism are efforts to make states irrelevant, it's ridiculous to look at struggle for human independence over many years and cultures and reduce them the way you did.

Macro isn't my kink, but it clearly is for you, so let me help you appreciate how even your own gallery is political. When you render, upload, and share macro images, it's using tech with resources pulled from the earth and assembled using slave labor. The fact that your comment was written by you and not a slave mining cobalt or lithium is already political. If you'd rather be complicit in these predatory systems, I certainly can't stop you--just don't expect me to value your FA comment as helpful or good.

I'm thankful you think I count as a great artist, and that you cared enough to share a comment that was coming from a place of personal conviction. You're clearly concerned about my well-being, and that's effort I want to honor. I want to keep in mind that I can't know exactly where you've been or what you've seen. I can only guess and relate it to similar experiences I've heard.

Personally, the horrible things I've seen and experienced under capitalism has taught me very clearly that capitalism and colonialism are not the future. I don't mind using political science(not faith nor dogma) to scrutinize any leftist pursuit. In fact, I really appreciate that leftists I routinely offer more robust and thorough criticisms of (in this case) communism than your own comments offer. I don't expect that to bring you much comfort, but I hope it shows this is not a fast nor superficial process that brought me to creating art that criticizes a violent police state prioritizing private property over human and non-human life. Your criticisms are not new to me, but you would find better and more valid criticisms under other authors even on the left. You could read Cedric J. Robinson's "Black Marxism" to see one expensive text going, "Man, Idunno is Marx/Engels is as thorough as y'all say."

We need a bunch of different people who aren't elevating individuals in history as especially great men, people who don't have fragile egos around having their own beliefs scrutinized. We need people who honor human and non-human life in its many forms who recognize fascism and stand up against it. But it's also pretty immature to look at vast transformations in USSR history or China's great leap forward and pretend there's nothing significant to build off of. We have mass literacy campaigns and technical innovations at unprecedented scales to learn from and yes, even scrutinize. "Communism bad actually" is so lazy and unhelpful, and in especially poor tastes after all the horrible things we justify under capitalism.

In the US under capitalism today we have greater numbers per capita in prison than any gulag by far, and millions facing food scarcity, AND the planet is fucked. We're at the "socialism or barbarism" point now, so you could either assume I'm following a silly trend or you can work to build a better future using the furry fandom and local politics. Your particular comment to me isn't that helpful nor is it meeting me where I am, so despite your sincerity, I do hope your strategy changes. And thanks again for leaving a comment with your sincere feelings. I don't feel like continuing dialogue here, but maybe when the Patreon post goes public you'll have a better understanding where I am coming from.

You don't seem to know much about me nor my beliefs, nor how familiar I am with what you shared. I don't know anything about you or how credible you are as a person. Your message doesn't at all address the issues of the violent police state in the US.

I would love it if images like this got to initiate constructive conversations, but this aint it. You wrote all that after I said I wasn't interested in talking more about it here, after all. This really isn't the place for this conversation. This isn't the format or medium. I don't want to address your points here. Please don't do this again.

Blocking you now because this is the third time I said I didn't want you to have this discussion here and you're clearly not listening.

That's a mood.

I hope more people can feel that, thanks.

[holds ur hand in the acab hot air balloon]

Everyone in the balloons are holding hands. They've travelled from all over the world to look at this shining moment in US History.

Can I pay Praxis the balto to step on greg abbot? It seems right up his alley

That depends on a few factors, like how cartoony the element of "stepping" is, and what the TOS are for--in this case--Fur Affinity.

Oh greg abbot def likes it. He loves being between Praxis the balto big toes

The "baltoes", as one macro labeled them.

From the tags I understand that you are AnCom right?
Mind I ask you how in your mind would your type of system deal with crime? There is no police anymore. Who deals with a random bourgeois stealing from a proletariat?

More than paying attention to my comment, please start at page 105 of "Are Prisons Obsolete" by Angela Davis.

The underwear on the character is the AnCom flag. The tags are not there to say that _I_ am AnCom, though I view that collection of studies far more useful than anything The Police have given us.

I kind of mind the question, inasmuch as I can't tell if you're a good faith actor or not, and I don't have a lot of free time for writing comments, so I'll keep it brief for now.

Your question is especially good if the questioner invites scrutiny towards our current system. In my experience, most people who ask it don't want to learn or build--they tend to think of their question as a masturbatory gotcha, as if the topic hasn't been explored extensively by now.

If people replace the hard work on themselves and their environments with cynicism, and that's too boring, static and egocentric for me to engage with it. So that's why I'm setting boundaries around my FA comments and linking you to someone who witnessed extreme police violence and contributed to a struggle against it instead of detailing an answer for you here.

Usually characters represent the author themselves so I assumed it represents you as it is called Praxis afterall, the action for an ideal needed to be taken (based on some fundamental principles)

I'm an avid reader! Ill read that after I search for and find a good pdf hopefully the pages are correct!

So how do you propose a group of people deal with security? Internal and external sources which in most nations, left or right wing is usually done by the military (external security) and the police (internal security)

I always assume good faith actors then respond, if the conversation doesn't flow I stop. Thats how I roll with internet convo :3

The page numbers are on the linked PDF, so you're good to go. And that text should flow well into your follow-ups. <3

Oh its a link! It looks like bold text on my screen lol lemme check.

Hello again

I'm guessing you linked the last chapter right?

I don't see anything regarding criminals or crime related to prison
Sure, it does talk about how to prevent criminals (school system, healthcare etc) but it doesn't say what to do when a crime happens and a criminal is declared. How to give reparation to such a person and not retribution?

Imagine my scenario


Let's say, the stuff according to this book although very ameri-centric and shallow in scope were coming to fruition (I only read last chapter). Unbiased schools, flawless healthcare, almost utopian quality of everything

Buuuut someone ends up murdering someone. How will you deal with such a person without some form of punishment that either involves jail, capital punishment as you Americans say and other forms of retribution? How do you deal with that if you were the Head of such a nation and its laws and systems?

I don't care about this hypothetical because I don't believe in utopias and I have no interest to be in charge of such a system--nor do I want any individual in charge of such a system--because the whole point is that it's not run by any single person.

I'm sure you run into a constant stream of inane and shortsighted bullshit (especially as a Persian in often American-centric spaces). I'm not here to offer you false promises or oversimplify concepts to sell you on an ideology. That said, I can first mention that there are plenty of stateless societies who have their own solutions to the question you're asking. One more recent example we could reference would be communes of Rojava, which developed their own models for addressing community conflict and also armed response. (I should join you in checking out some documentaries, actually.)

Something like a murder doesn't happen out of nowhere, so robust community connections would already exist that give us immediate context. You start with a large handful of people on the same page about valuing people and looking out for others, not strangers in a courtroom who are often burnt out, uneducated, and probably not paid enough for jury duty. What mental illness a factor in this murder? That would already be understood too, and a mentally ill person wouldn't be needlessly punished (as we have more mentally ill in prisons than receiving care. What generation number are we on this social project? Because the first generation of this system is a huge opportunity to make the next one better, and so on.

Like I said, it's not a bad question, it just opens up too many options to be useful here in an FA comment. If the question becomes about grilling alternatives to this system without offering something better, please don't go there. That's a shitty response to the millions of humans who have needlessly suffered under our current system. Ideally any justice model we humans produce has a legit (here let's say, "legal precedent") to serve and protect their own citizens. Currently, there is no federal standard for police conduct, and no legal precedent to serve and protect US citizens. Stray from that and you're missing the point of the art I made.

The example of the book you sent me was a utopian example
The book never talked about "what if prevention fails?" It just says how to prevent people from going to jail.
Ok then a new example

Its not utopian.
It has good healthcare
Good education
Good quality of life features available to the common man.
Somehow with these opportunities, people do crime. Should there be jails or not? Should there be someone to enforce it or not? I know what Rojava would do but I don't know what you would do. I'm not talking with a Rojava member im talking to you.

I don't mind something being X-centric or Y-centric but when the -centric people make up stuff for other things outside their scope without being willing to learn about it, aka being close minded, then that is a problem. The book you sent me is a prime example because most of its prevention methods are hyper specific to America and yet some wrong and it cannot be used elsewhere.

Yes murder isn't a random crime but for the hypothetical
Let's assume it was 1st degree
They had intent, opportunity and there is proof they did it.
They are a healthy person without severe mental deficiencies.
What would you do now? How to process this?

I have an alternative to "no cops" in mind, for most things j have a thing in mind and if I dont know, then ill say I dont know.
With that being said, do you know how to deal with a crime without cops involved?

Even with the parameters you offered, all I can do now is unpack the nature of what you're actually asking. What _I_ would do in this hypothetical requires more questions. I'll share what came to mind first before scooting off, since I don't have the time to give you a more thorough answer and don't want to do that in an FA comment. I am a furry artist and neither an anthropologist nor a law student.

Personally, I don't care about the utopia aspect that much. While it has its time and place and can be exciting to talk about, it can also distract us from a better purpose to the dialogue, which would be dealing with more directly applicable questions and finding diverse solutions to today's problems.

In your hypothetical, we can assume that everyone wants the same things: an understanding of why a murder happened, protection from said murderer, the murderer seeking penance and rehabilitation on their own accord (if that possible in this hypothetical), whatever compensatory action is possible for a victim's families to feel more capable of continuing in life, and applied improvements to a legal process as a result. These shared goals are so different from our current world that it's hard to even imagine it. Certainly, it wouldn't require "jail" or "prison" as we tend to see those things in the US or Iran. This would also include a robust history of recognizing and treating corrupt personal interests and outside agitators in our silly little utopian project, including overcompensating measures from a hyper vigilant struggle against an undemocratic state.

Let's say your hypothetical murder is happening where I live now, but move it away from the utopia a bit. The state of New Mexico has a 50/50% rural/urban split, 40% of our state are Spanish speakers. We are a key player in the energy sector, but we have poor infrastructure and our legislative sessions are... not expedited. In this hypothetical though, we have reciprocal relationships to land Who committed the murder and for what reason? What familial and other social connections exist? Was this murderer or victim someone else's responsibility? How old were they? Who are they? What were their day-to-day lives, and what resources did they already have access to? Now we have to talk about cultural practices of indigenous cultures in the region, the current conquistador lineages, and their collective understandings to these struggles. In town, we also have Persian, Tibetan, Palestinian, and more recently Afghani diaspora. I doubt they all got on board to this pro-Utopia in the same way, so I would want a democratic answer to this murder that includes cultural fluency. By that, I mean that I don't want to take my silly little white and western expectations and prioritize them over something more diverse and democratically structured. After all, I am on stolen land. We have proof and we have intent already, and exploring that is better than a one-size-fits-all. Was this murder the first offense, or did the magistrate courts in town see this offender before for any other reason? Even if mentally sound (and boy is that a whole other conversation!) were substances involved? Was there something situational that affected their state of mind?

I spent too much time on this message, and there's many more things I could write, but I hope to anyone reading that my answer doesn't read like a cop-out. If anything, I want my messages to express how seriously I take this subject. Even though I'm not as educated nor as experienced as I need to be, I am very serious about my desire for something better than our current system. I'm not afraid of horrifying or gruesome details in this learning process. I'm not bothered by constructive criticisms on a better future.

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These figures in black liberation don't tend to hyperfocus on the US, since the foundations for their struggle for liberation is already tied to international aspects like colonialism and the transatlantic slave trade. I do want to caution you, let's not reduce one chapter from one book from one author who has been an activist for over many years as "wrong and hyper specific to America".

Because I don't know you or most other people reading, I'd want to end with this--if you are already not an activist working to make a difference, you don't need to have a very cool and correct opinion on this topic. Your take on utopias does not matter as much as your showing up and doing the work. We need people who are willing to be curious and vulnerable, showing up for their local communities. Feed your neighbors. Learn what your neighborhood needs and then fulfill those needs. Show up to your city and town halls, learn how change happens, including how power and resources are allocated. Point that curiosity internationally. If anyone reading this comment isn't doing those things, dear Lord, please do real actions instead of simply following political discourse about The Police on Fur Affinity dot net. I don't mind encouraging this online, but there are better ways we can spend our precious and limited time.💖

Sir with all due respect, if you don't have an answer for a question it's ok to say "I don't know" or "I haven't looked far into this yet". If you double down and continue on, it looks like sophistry instead of an actual intellectual talk. If the things you wrote were to be an article or a paper, the peer review will reject it for lack of content. I'm saying this out of a place of expitience.

We should never assume everyone wants the same thing. Let's give a hypothetical example:
Someone who you are friends with has been rude to a 3rd person. This 3rd person values his honor so high that he decides to kill your friend.
I don't think there is a rule against being rude to someone in NM right?
But there is one for 1st degree up to 3rd degree murder.
Let's say this persons culture, honor killing is something serious and is part of their culture. Should you in this case consider their culture and let them go off scot free or punish them? Every hypothetical I've made you've not given me a satisfactory answer, only that you need more mimor details n such so this is as detailed as it gets. Will you jail such a person? How will you punish them for their wrong doing if wether you believe it was a wrong doing or not.

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Just in case I read the whole book you sent me so I dont take anything out of context.

Pros:
1. legitimate issues in the prison system (for when it was published at 2003)
2. Great examples and testimoneys from people effected by it like Mumia Abu-Jamal.
3. Sufficient evidence and proof to some of its claims

Cons:
1. It side tracks alot, why is there a part about capitalism or marxian historians? Prisons have been a thing much much before the enlightenment
2. No solution, only complaints. It identifies the problem but is hopeless in giving a solution or atleast a guide to how to find a solution.
3. Not a fault of the author but its outdated. Most modern prison statistics correlate with wealth not race. Invalid complaints now since most are solved.

Look man we are having a discussion here because of the image you posted. Image of praxis against what you deem wrong. Yet you cannot substantiate what you will do in place of cops or the prison system. Sure it has flaws, yes the book points them out but other than suggesting preventative measure, you have not yet given a satisfactory answer for how you will deal with criminals even if your preventative measures were implemented. I don't value cultural differences when it comes to the fundamentals of law. Sure slight changes here and there but for the most part every culture should be dealt equally by the hands of law. You believe in severing the hand of law which had many issues id admit, but you in return dont know how you will replace something better than prisons or cops. Schools and good healthcare won't replace prisons and cops.

If I was in your position, I would have been grateful that someone could point to relevant issues that need tackled for overcoming a problem. I even pointed to one of many groups actively shaping their own solutions, even though we have to accept their attempts aren't going to be some kind of silver bullet. If someone answered your question the way you wanted, assuring a much more simple and linear solution as a one-size-fits-all, they're probably more concerned with their online identity to sell you on something. If what you want expedience and an online debate, this neither the topic nor the place. This topic is big, messy, and for me it's a matter of literal life and death. So no, what I want is to understand all the factors at play so I can actually help build something better than what we have. You aren't acting like that right now. You are acting like someone online who has little stake in the game.

Law enforcement does not equal morality. Laws do not equal morality. Morality is not as absolute as you think. Rebuilding something with different moral goals after dismantling a predatory system is not an easy thing to do.

Neither of us are very smart and cool people who individually matter all that much to this. If you are not actively working in this struggle or at least trying to be more educated to serve others, your opinion is worth nothing. I appreciate that you expanded your thoughts on the book more, but this was simply pointing you in one direction to explore your question. Some of your criticisms don't even apply, and I don't care to walk you through it here. You aren't carrying out this interaction with me as if you genuinely care about prisoners yet, so instead of commenting to me and reading this from the outside (though learning is good), show up at your local prison with someone more experienced. Based on your country, you could even train as a legal observer and show up at local demonstrations as a fully legal and secure helpful element. I am begging you. Stop posting online. Be with people. Learn in person.

If your next comment isn't about telling me what you learned in-person to help this topic along, I'll be blocking / deleting your comments. It's 2024, I'm halfway through my thirties, people are dying, and I'm not spending more time motivating you to act. I just hope anyone reading all this has that as their takeaway--having the right and smart opinion online does not matter. It is not important. Either live your life to make this struggle better for others, or stop distracting from those trying to help (like me). Don't pretend what you say here matters to the topic at hand, or that this is otherwise helping a serious cause.

you are so good at understanding the situation it is legitimately inspiring

Ummmm excuse me The Police have given us "Don't Stand So Close to Me" and I find that incredibly useful, thank you

You're right, I should really appreciate when they try to help us help them help us all. 🙏

oh my god you actually did it

Sometimes I follow my own dreams, when I'm desperate enough.

I got to enjoy your drawings in my new sketchbook for the first time. So powerful opening it up and seeing your Balto right there on the paper. Thanks again. <3

This is literally the best thing in the world right now.

Chris, this comment is such a gift. I appreciate you and what you put out into the world so much. <3

FULL SAME <3

Love the theme of macros smashing cops lol <3

If a bunch of macros commissioned that theme from a bunch of furry artists, that would be a-okay by me. :)

Your style is beautiful, this is so gorgeous!!!!! ^.=.^

Thanks! Glad my first serious foray into macro isn't too unsightly c:

Nice art, great message

Thank you, I try on both counts.