i Love nuclear Power plants

we nearly had a Fast Breeder here, but it never goes critical

Breeders weren't a great design anyway. They may return for GenIV though!

German ones would work :p

It was AKW Kalkar I, now its a Theme Park :(

The designs up and coming are Gen III+, and they include the AP1000, ESBWR, ABWR, and EPR.

Germany does take good care of their plants from what I know though!

normaly yes, but after Fukushima the Green Party get Crazy and now they will shut down 7 soon, and maybe more during the next few Years..

because they are dangerous and blah.. that France, Poland etc will Build new ones and have less security than ours.. In German its an Accident when the Toilet Paper of the Visitor Toilet Runs out..

...what.

The NRC controls who shuts down and powers up. No one else. INPO has some inspection power but they can't take the keys. Only the NRC can.

If the NRC wants to give Vogtle their site license for 3 and 4, they will. They've already extended a bunch of plants. Yes a few plants are getting the eye but the NRC always does that, because they fund themselves by fining plants into the floor. So they're motivated.

i just mean, it looks like that all German Power Plants will shut down in the next, like 5 years, forever

They try to Force the Energy Companys to shut down 7 of the Oldest in the next few weeks

OH. Germany! Pardon my confusion! *facepalm and laugh*

As long as they're replacing them with new units, this doesn't surprise me. A lot of plants are aging now. If they're just doing it to be hooting dickholes, that's a whole other thing.

the Fast Breeder Kalkar was the Last Nuclear Power Plant that was ever build here..

They will replace it with Coal and Gas .. and those "green energy" stuff

Oh yes, you do have to love those hooting dickholes when they try to control energy production...

Fun thing, last Government makes a Law that the Power Plants can run around 15 Years more, now after Fukushima they fear to lose the next Election. SO they want to take that Law Back..

.. so it will end up in front of the Highest European Court, that will take years on that the Power Plants can run :D The Government cant break they own laws

the ACR1000 (and I thought you were a CANDU fangirl!) *noogie*

And it also sits right on top of a fault.

..and? I wasn't aware earthquakes are a major hazard in Ohio. I mean, there's faults in the midwest too as well as a handful of nuke plants but whatever, man. You don't see people earthquake proofing homes there.

I used to live in the "If something goes wrong, bend over and kiss your ass good bye" area of Perry.

As a nuclear professional: Sorry, no. If something goes wrong, just kiss the power generation goodbye. All due respect but the worst accident in the united states didn't break through the reactor, didn't break containment, and resulted in no public overexposure.

And that's speaking as someone whose home address is within half an hour of not one but two nuclear power plants!

Unless you're making the Japan implication, in which case if this area has an 8.9 and a 40 foot tsunami then we have much larger problems than the power plant dontcha think?

and lets say, they manage the Fukushima Situation really good

Chernobyl you cant Compare to a normal Power Plant..because they do anything wrong there, because they didnt know what they do. It was like "oh a red button, lets push it.."

That is not true. The major contributing factors to that were inexperienced controllers and the design of the reactor itself.

Trust me I know more about Chernobyl than you ever will, most likely, as I'm a radiation protection tech.

And I haven't been in the plant yet, but please: ANY Japanese plant makes the US look good because they're second only to the French in industry standards! We do alright, but the French and Japanese kick our asses up down and sideways. Do we function? Yes. Do we lead? Nope. And we never will.

Did you know why France plan to build they next Plants right on the German Border? :P

Considering France is almost entirely nuclear, that wouldn't surprise me. It wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to attach a few to the Eiffel Tower. I'd file that under "They're French" honestly XD

the main reason, IF they have an accient, we mostly have Westwind here, so it will get over to Germany not to France..

.. and they wonder we Germans dislike France :D

...high pastry content? Low work hours? Inability to go five minutes without surrendering?

I do kid.

dont tell that me, if they would ask if they can an Nuclear Power Plant in my Yard, i would say "Sure please!"

So would I. Nuclear plants make good neighbors.

be glad that you didnt watch German TV after the Japanese Earthquake.. Greenpeace "Experts" tell Something about that it will be a Chernobyl 2, that a Melted Core will blow up and much other Bullshit.. i cant remember how often my Head falls on my Table..

Only one German Expert tells the truth, he said "We cant say what Happen in Fukushima, because we cant see anything"..

I'm not. Also your thinking of the largest, there were at least two small reactors in the U.S. that did breach their cantonment

..really. Name them, because now I'm curious. Because TMI2 wasn't one of them, and that's our heaviest hitting accident.

Hint: Military reactors don't count.

And I'm not meaning to sound like a snot I just get really pissed when people act like they know more than me. I work in the industry. Unless you're a nuclear engineer or a reactor operator, or a Senior tech.. yeah. Sorry. No.

I don't remember the exact names but I know they were both test reactors. One happened in California in a liquid sodium reactor, caused by lubricant leaking into the reactor and blocking the coolant channels in some of the fuel rods. The other happened in Nevada, I forget the exact amount of radiation but I do remember the levels just inside the structure (the control and reactor buildings were not separated) were not far form the level at which a single dose can prove directly lethal.

Yeah, sorry. Those really don't count in the grand scheme of things. They're not commercial designs and never ran for money. They can be filed under SL-1, in a file far away from commercial power generation. It's literally apples and oranges. There is no comparison here.

Not exactly as the on in Nevada was a commercial prototype.

Stil not commercial, still not making money, still doesn't count, and you still don't have names.

Oh look, you even admit it: PROTOTYPE.

Also, do you want to know why you know about this? Because we're required to tell you.

Unlike the many, many fatal accidents in coal and gas. And oil, let's not forget that. And chemical plants. Chemical plants have permanently closed more land in the world than we ever will. I site Bhopal, Love Canal, and Times Beach as particularly spectacular examples of that, all of which in total left thousands dead and thousands more either permanently disabled or born with horrific birth defects.


Last year, a gas plant exploded. It wasn't even running yet, it was brand new. Several people died. They had to tear it down to the foundation looking for bodies.

Last year, an oil platform went. It killed several. It spilled an unknown amount of oil into the gulf, causing an unknown amount of damage to wildlife, the environment, and disrupting a lot of other commercial industries.

Last year, a coal mine collapsed. Killed several. Had several hundred outstanding violations and orders to shut down.

This year... we lost some units in Japan. To a natural disaster. The second natural disaster. They weathered the earthquakes. It took the tsunami to take them down. And Japan will recover the plant, and the exclusion zone. It's only a matter of time. I'm trying to get there, right now, to help, but they're not looking for RP techs yet.

American Commercial Nuclear has never overexposed the public, and has never had an employee die from overexposure either. We are safe, in fact we are the safest baseload carrier there is.

Deal with it.

oh, they build a new big Coal Power Plant here in Germany, till yet 3 Workers died

Death from German Nuclear Power Plants in the last 20 Years = Zero

Looks like he means Simi Valley - Santa Susana Field Laboratory

About the International Nuclear Event Scale (0 thru 7, Chernobyl's a 7, and they just bumped Fukushima from a 5 to a 7)

Fukushima has yet to cost a single life to radiation poisoning. The only other incident besides Chernobyl to go above a 5 was the Kyshtym disaster at Mayak in 1957. At least 200 deaths from that one. Fukushima does not even equal Kyshtym (Mayak, near Lake Karachay, most polluted site on Earth, had a release of radioactive material that while totalling 20% LESS than Chernobyl, was MUCH more densely concentrated in a single place, namely the above mentioned lake)) so it should be lower on the scale than a 6. First of all, Chernobyl stands alone in its severity. Mayak runs a damn close second. Fukushima doesn't hold a candle to either. My suggestion below:

Change the INES slightly: Add one more level to it, 8. Make Chernobyl an 8, Kyshtym a 7, and Fukushima a 6. It's clearly more severe now than other 5s (It's arguably more severe than Windscale (a British nuclear accident that rated a 5), Three Mile Island (which despite what Greenpeace would have you believe, barely released any radiation at all into the environment), or Lucens (the one and only Swiss nuclear accident) which all rated a 5. So anything rating 5 or under would stay unchanged in my tweak to the scale. Just add one higher level, and bump Chernobyl and Kyshtym up to the highest and second highest ratings, respectively, and then put Fukushima just beneath those two.

My other reason I think this would be a good idea? Conveniently, it would make the scale line up rather nicely with another disaster severity scale that runs from zero to eight: the Volcanic Explosivity Index or VEI. Like the VEI, there's no fractional rating. It's either a high four or a low five. Only reason the numbering isn't done in Roman numerals? There's no Roman numeral for zero. A familiar example of a VEI 0 eruption? Mauna Kilauea on the big island of Hawai'i. The recent Icelandic volcano that shut down transatlantic airspace was a VEI 4 (Volcanic ash is a big enough threat to aircraft that even a low nonzero VEI eruption can close plenty of airspace, so that's one way a given VEI rating is worse than an equally numbered INES rating), Mt. St. Helens was a VEI 5. The 1991 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo in the Phillipines was a low 6. Krakatoa in 1883 was a high 6. The only recorded VEI 7 eruption in history was when Mt. Tambora erupted in 1815, causing the infamous Year Without A Summer. There's never been a recorded eruption of VEI 8 and it's unlikely that humans would remain capable of recording history after such an eruption (if Yellowstone Caldera were to erupt again, THAT would be a VEI 8).

Whew, sorry for being so long-winded.

Very cool plant ^_^ Nuclear ftw, ignore the haters. Must suck living your life afraid of the boogeyman.

It may look cool but inside, I admit: It's insanity. Three different contract companies built the three main buildings and they hated each other so none of the floors match up! Turbine is four feet higher than Aux, RadWaste is six feet higher than IB! Figure that shiat out! Not to mention the fact that Unit 2 was never finished..

She runs well though apparently.

Is building a nuclear reactor the place to take out your competitive wangs and get into a pissing match? Aren't there regulatory commisions in charge of making sure shit like that doesn't happen, tho?

There are now. Regulation wasn't nearly as hard when a lot of these plants were built. Remember, the NRC came out of TMI2, basically. *shrug* New plants will be much different.

Cool pic! I work at Zion station

You're working the Zion decommission?

That's correct