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I was at an Anime Con a couple of weeks ago for my niece, and while there I attended a panel that showed clips of classic Doctor Who. I remembered the special effects were cheesy at times, but I'd forgotten just *how* cheesy. The Invasion of the Rubber Hand Puppet Dinosaurs, indeed!
I would think the Borg, even though they are typically shown in a nerfed form, similar to the Daleks. The Daleks are about the most ineptly devised race of all evil races in Sci-fi. Meanwhile the Borg are on of the most absolutely insidious and unstoppable.
In a battle between the two the Daleks would take down a few drones before the Borg adapted and assimilated some of them. The Daleks would make adjustments though not nearly as fast as the Borg, that can do so literally on the fly. Meanwhile the assimilated Daleks would provide valuable information to defeat Dalek technology and physiology while the Daleks would operate on the flawed assumption that they are the superior species and make mistakes the Borg simply would not. The Borg subvert Dalek technology and assimilate the Daleks.
In the End, the Borg is a massive, hyper adapting, hyper advanced, singular machine and the Daleks are another chaotic primitive culture of individuals whose technological and biological significance would be added their own.
And if you need any doubt about who would win, The Daleks know they should just kill the Doctor on sight yet they actually let him f'ck with them ruining their plans and ultimately destroying them several times for all time. The Daleks are a bunch of idiots. The Borg would just take him and that would be the end of the story. The Borg just get it done.
Resistance is futile...
In a battle between the two the Daleks would take down a few drones before the Borg adapted and assimilated some of them. The Daleks would make adjustments though not nearly as fast as the Borg, that can do so literally on the fly. Meanwhile the assimilated Daleks would provide valuable information to defeat Dalek technology and physiology while the Daleks would operate on the flawed assumption that they are the superior species and make mistakes the Borg simply would not. The Borg subvert Dalek technology and assimilate the Daleks.
In the End, the Borg is a massive, hyper adapting, hyper advanced, singular machine and the Daleks are another chaotic primitive culture of individuals whose technological and biological significance would be added their own.
And if you need any doubt about who would win, The Daleks know they should just kill the Doctor on sight yet they actually let him f'ck with them ruining their plans and ultimately destroying them several times for all time. The Daleks are a bunch of idiots. The Borg would just take him and that would be the end of the story. The Borg just get it done.
Resistance is futile...
Though the borg can't adapt to melee based weapons as shown in several episodes. Picard i the movies even used a physical bullet on them with the safety off on the Holodeck. They seem to be able to adapt to energy based technology pretty quickly but when it comes to physical projectile or meele based weaponry the borg don't seem to adapt pretty well.
So far we've never seen a Tactical Borg in action. They are supposed to be armored against most physical attacks. But yeah generally Borg drones don't seem to react much to a guy with a sword unless the drone is allowed to act with a limited degree of singular autonomy. This has happened a few times in Star Trek. In every case, the drone just stops the attack and takes down the attacker with one hand in one movement.
Example: Phaser rifle in not working anymore so the guy goes to brain a drone. The drone catches the attack and sticks him with its tubules and the guy is assimilated. This has happened a couple of times in Voyager.
As a general rule, you don't get into a fist fight with a Borg drone. You'll just get assimilated.
They aren't just cyborg zombies. That was never what they were meant to be. As it turned out, the Borg are just too powerful, as intended, so they have to be slow and easy to run from with the most inexplicably easy to exploit weaknesses. They are no more a threat than the Romulans or Klingons except you can actually talk to the Romulans and Klingons.
Example: Phaser rifle in not working anymore so the guy goes to brain a drone. The drone catches the attack and sticks him with its tubules and the guy is assimilated. This has happened a couple of times in Voyager.
As a general rule, you don't get into a fist fight with a Borg drone. You'll just get assimilated.
They aren't just cyborg zombies. That was never what they were meant to be. As it turned out, the Borg are just too powerful, as intended, so they have to be slow and easy to run from with the most inexplicably easy to exploit weaknesses. They are no more a threat than the Romulans or Klingons except you can actually talk to the Romulans and Klingons.
Of course the Borg would win! Star Trek has always been full of “win beams” that miraculously disappear before the next episode and the Borg are an example of such. They adapt to I guess any sort of attack and mosey off towards their target to assimilate them. Whereas Daleks have the charm of being crazy midgets in robotic saltshakers of death armed with a pew pew cannon and a plunger (God knows why) screaming “YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED” being outsmarted by some nerdy guy who drives a transdimensional police box in a series that doesn’t make a bit of sense at the best of times. Sure they’re about as competent as Storm Troopers from Star Wars stuck in garbage bin whilst riding tricycles, but at least they’re more interesting.
I don't know about "win beams". I do know that Paramount's Star Trek writers really don't know how to write for something like the Borg. The closest to getting it right was "The Best of Both Worlds" but then the Enterprise pulls a win out of their butts. I guess that is what you mean by "win beam". After that the Borg just became more and more like any other race int eh Star Trek, defeatable and open to negotiations. The creation of the Borg Queen was the single biggest error in handling the Borg on a story level.
The Borg really is supposed a dire threat. A Monster lurking in space.
The Daleks are really kind of a joke. They just happen to be utterly indestructible. They have no hands or feet. They can't carry on a simple conversation without screaming or wanting to kill you. They are frequently stymied by, you are right, a Nerd who they should just kill on the spot. They are a threat until you think any civilization even remotely as advanced as they are could just kill them easily. Daleks, as you point out, are not very smart and are only a threat to 20th century Earth. Their weapons as are a joke, Star Fleet would raise an eyebrow at these guys and just phaser them to nothing.
"Bitch please. This is who we are afraid of. Read it and go away." -Captain Sisko, DS9
The fact that the Daleks are so utterly pointless make them really uninteresting to me.
The Borg really is supposed a dire threat. A Monster lurking in space.
The Daleks are really kind of a joke. They just happen to be utterly indestructible. They have no hands or feet. They can't carry on a simple conversation without screaming or wanting to kill you. They are frequently stymied by, you are right, a Nerd who they should just kill on the spot. They are a threat until you think any civilization even remotely as advanced as they are could just kill them easily. Daleks, as you point out, are not very smart and are only a threat to 20th century Earth. Their weapons as are a joke, Star Fleet would raise an eyebrow at these guys and just phaser them to nothing.
"Bitch please. This is who we are afraid of. Read it and go away." -Captain Sisko, DS9
The fact that the Daleks are so utterly pointless make them really uninteresting to me.
But Borg are a little too grimdark for a series based on the bright future of humanity where things are so advanced it is impossible to understand from a modern point of view. You might expect them to fit in the middle ground theme with Battlestar Galactica or Star Wars, dark but possessing whimsical traits that keep them from being thrown in with Warhammer 40k and the like. Nothing else in the series is budging from the bright future theme as all other nations seem to create more and more complicated technomancy when it seems a Thomson Submachine gun tend to give the Borg a nasty case of dead. You’d think the Federation would start equipping crew with slug throwers and melee weapons in case of a Borg attack, but I’m glad they don’t as a mass charge of Federation troopers in flack armor wielding swords and machineguns belong in aforementioned Warhammer 40k not Star Trek. The Borg isn’t as interesting to me in a series that the most grimdark it got until recently was brutish bald dudes with wrinkly foreheads (see Klingons) and pissy space elves (see Romulans).
Then you’ve got Daleks, a race that would simply overrun and kill everyone else in their little cyborg saltshaker tanks if not for the fact they are crazier than shit. The Dr Who universe is at best insane and is a mind boggling collection of bad ideas miraculously glued together to create a colossal good idea and the Daleks are right there with them furiously waving a plunger at some transdimensional git with bad dress sense. They don’t just kill the Doctor because that is something that never crosses their minds, nor should it in a universe where there are clockwork spacemen and tinfoil super killer assassins that look like Daft Punk.
As far as Sci-Fi series go Dr Who keeps in theme.
Then you’ve got Daleks, a race that would simply overrun and kill everyone else in their little cyborg saltshaker tanks if not for the fact they are crazier than shit. The Dr Who universe is at best insane and is a mind boggling collection of bad ideas miraculously glued together to create a colossal good idea and the Daleks are right there with them furiously waving a plunger at some transdimensional git with bad dress sense. They don’t just kill the Doctor because that is something that never crosses their minds, nor should it in a universe where there are clockwork spacemen and tinfoil super killer assassins that look like Daft Punk.
As far as Sci-Fi series go Dr Who keeps in theme.
Star Trek definitely is meant to portray a brighter view of the future. But brighter does not necessarily mean "sunshine and lollipops".
For what of a non-political analogy, the Liberal view of Star Trek is a pretty dull and prissy universe where all problems can be solved by talking. The idea that war is somehow a thing of the past is more than a little ridiculous. Meanwhile, everybody and their granny has ships with more firepower than hull plating. A Star Fleet Admiral just wants to have the ability to fight back as easily and effectively as the enemy would bring the fight and he's branded insane and a warmonger. You can't possbily be more stereotypically Liberal than that.
A wholly Conservative view of Star Trek would be the "Mirror, Mirror" universe. Simple as that. Of course, by the Next Generation that fell completely apart and the Terran Empire was itself conquered. Hint-hint....
The Borg presented a real existential threat that honestly justified building a worth while military force, complete with, as you put it Slug-throwers and Swords. But then if you are fighting a hyper advanced. bio-mechanical race completely set on assimilating your people and erasing your culture, and if bullets an blades are the only weapons you can use against them that work reliably, then so be it.
The thing is the Borg was nerfed to keep Star Trek from going to that place where the Federation owns up to being a military force and really acting like one. There is nothing that says they have to be a bunch of warmongers because they have big weapons or properly armored and armed soldiers. Nothing except the fact that the peace-niks want Star Trek to be a series of random explorations. There is a reason why DS9 is the second most popular next gen Star Trek series after TNG. Hint: The Dominion War.
I have also come to the conclusion that Dr.Who is just stupid. I can't think of anything about any of the series that would be somehow cool. The truth is, the Doctor steps out of his TARDIS and gets shot and that is all you wrote. There is no reason for a race like the Daleks to tolerate the Doctor for one slim second. Just shoot him and he's done.
For what of a non-political analogy, the Liberal view of Star Trek is a pretty dull and prissy universe where all problems can be solved by talking. The idea that war is somehow a thing of the past is more than a little ridiculous. Meanwhile, everybody and their granny has ships with more firepower than hull plating. A Star Fleet Admiral just wants to have the ability to fight back as easily and effectively as the enemy would bring the fight and he's branded insane and a warmonger. You can't possbily be more stereotypically Liberal than that.
A wholly Conservative view of Star Trek would be the "Mirror, Mirror" universe. Simple as that. Of course, by the Next Generation that fell completely apart and the Terran Empire was itself conquered. Hint-hint....
The Borg presented a real existential threat that honestly justified building a worth while military force, complete with, as you put it Slug-throwers and Swords. But then if you are fighting a hyper advanced. bio-mechanical race completely set on assimilating your people and erasing your culture, and if bullets an blades are the only weapons you can use against them that work reliably, then so be it.
The thing is the Borg was nerfed to keep Star Trek from going to that place where the Federation owns up to being a military force and really acting like one. There is nothing that says they have to be a bunch of warmongers because they have big weapons or properly armored and armed soldiers. Nothing except the fact that the peace-niks want Star Trek to be a series of random explorations. There is a reason why DS9 is the second most popular next gen Star Trek series after TNG. Hint: The Dominion War.
I have also come to the conclusion that Dr.Who is just stupid. I can't think of anything about any of the series that would be somehow cool. The truth is, the Doctor steps out of his TARDIS and gets shot and that is all you wrote. There is no reason for a race like the Daleks to tolerate the Doctor for one slim second. Just shoot him and he's done.
Makes you wonder how the Borg would have been if they had the budget to go with their original design (that of an insectoid species).. there was an early TNG episode with brain-controlling bugs that were planned to have been the 'scouts' for the Borg, but they didn't have the money to make them look good as human-sized insects, so they went with the cyborg approach instead when they finally had them show up in person.
So, yes, they were gonna originally be the ZERG.. ;0
So, yes, they were gonna originally be the ZERG.. ;0
Awesome, very good job on the Dalek. Have you seen the second empire? http://www.cg-lair.co.uk/daleks/secemp00.htm
I thought M'ress had dark hair, I assumed it was a generic Caitian.
I thought M'ress had dark hair, I assumed it was a generic Caitian.
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