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Please if you can't say something constructive, don't say anything at all

Trust me this is cooked all the way through, it is edible and despite the pic, it does look good

If you care to get off your lazy ass, you would discover that I have stated many times that I made mistakes when taking pics of this. The dish's temperature when removed from the oven was 167 degrees, both the red meat and chicken. One thing I do know to do is getting around the kitchen, but from what I have seen in some comments here and on WTF_FA leads me to believe that most people commenting have no idea how to cook as they have their mommy cook for them or they go eat out.

This. Either they don't understand that you can cook stuff like this and have it cooked thoroughly, or they don't eat meat.

MEAT EATERS UNITE!

i like meat, just not things that are ONLY meat.

There's cheese in there.

Why make comments that have no purpose other than to be mean?

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5517837/

this is an excellent display of food, good lighting, clean platters, and elegant display. perhaps people wouldn't think your plate came out of a horror movie/roadkilled/other vulgar description if your photo wasn't dark and bloody and oozy looking...

/con-crit

I see. If you would look at my replies, I have said that I made the mistake of using the flash on the camera. The dish looked far better than what everyone thinks

i have looked at your replies, and it's not just the lighting. it's the whole atmosphere of the picture. the oozing, the extreme darkness in the background, the dwarfing of the platter by the food itself, all of these things make the portrayal less than appetizing. also, we can only judge by what we can see, so repeatedly saying it looks better really isn't going to sway our opinions...

also, i cook regularly for my fiance and myself, so i know my way around the kitchen as well, for the record...

I'm not referring to you, just those who apparently have no skills for cooking.

I will be the first to admit that photographing food is something new for me and will be a constant learning experience. I am an excellent photographer, if you take a look at what I have posted in both my galleries you will see the proof (other than the convention pics). My preferred cameras are my Minolta X-7A and X-700 SLRs.

i'll be honest, i don't know a thing about photography, but my fiance is a rather good amateur photographer, who used to use a canon rebel d-slr for all his stuff, and i'm sure he'd be glad to give you some pointers if you asked him ^^

http://dwilson718.deviantart.com/

Earlier this evening, I read an article where people were fed popular foods such as Cheetos among others that did not have the normal food coloring added. Even though all of the foods tated the same, all of the test subjects said that the foods did not taste as good without the food coloring that makes it look good.

. . . it is a still image right? . .. then why does it seem to be moveing 0-o

It looks like someone spilled some guts on a plate.

However, I'd still eat it, despite of what it looks like. I'm surprisingly adventurous when it comes to meat.

So am I. I'd try BBQ'd eel if I had the chance. I hear it's really tasty

yeah....you might want to take another picture from a different angle, because it does look rather horrifying. <

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constructive criticism.

My mistake was using flash

Yeah, flash wasn't your friend on this one. I know I'd feel so lethargic after eating this, but I would feel sooo awesome. Yes, I'm killing myself with food, but these cigarettes aren't helping my case either.

I will replace this pic with a better one tomorrow when I have better light.

I am an excellent photographer as you can see from what I have posted here in my gallery. I still have a lot to learn about photographing food and will have better pics from teh next dish I prepare

Tomorrow? No offense but given how undercooked it is I'm surprised you don't have the running shits as is.

I'm being constructive:


It is impossible to cook this dish properly. Ground meat is properly cooked at 155-160F. Poultry at 165F+. So, in order to cook the poultry, the surrounding beef has to reach well over its done-ness temp to be able to heat the chicken, thus over cooking it.

hence covering the pan with foil while cooking, the covering helps trap the heat and steam, thus cooking more thoroughly and not allowing the meat to dry out in the process. Nothing was over or undercooked

Did you temp it?

yes, the chicken and ground beef were around 167

Another thing I found out about cooking. Don't trust instructions, stick it with a fork to see if it's done. Last week, I cooked a beef brisket that said to leave it in at 300 degrees for 1 hour for every pound. It weighed 2.32. I left it in for 2.5 hours. Internal temp was 185, so I took it out and let it cool. When I cut a slice and tried to chew it, it was very much a not done kind of tough. It went back in for another hour and was fine.

if it hit 186 in the center it was waaaaaay past done.

185*

Will remember that next time I cook something, thanx

Here's my advice:

When taking pictures of food, there are a couple things to consider.

First of all, taking a picture of a slice of something generally looks better than taking a picture of the whole thing, or the whole think minus the slice.
Second, try to use natural lighting as much as possible. The flash on cameras in general degrades the color in photos, usually causing it to look washed up and distorting the colors. That is the last thing you want to do to food.
Third, presentation. Add garnish, and clean up grease, fat, and other unsavory juices, from both the dish and the actual food. Furthermore, make sure the serving dish accents the food appropriately.

thanks for the advise, I used flash due to the low light in my home, I will do a better job photowise next time

You know, it looks like a meat pie. In my opinion it looks great, food doesn't always have to be fancy.

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I agree. I'm thinking that I might try cooking something similar. It does look tasty!

This looks really unfortunate.
Also, while it might be tasty and satisfying, I do think that you are overwhelming the flavor of the meats by smushing everything together. It definitely appeals to the basic human instinct of protien / fat rolled together, but I don't think it brings out the real flavor in any of the components.

nothing was smushed together, everything was layered, ground -beef, chicken, mushrooms, tomatoes, cheese and veggies with the final layer of ground beef on top

Everything is cooked in one dish; that's what I mean in that it's all smushed together, all the juices are going to seep into everything and run through. It's not like poaching chicken with herbs to bring out the chicken flavor or cooking the ground beef with chipotle peppers and melting cheese on top after grilling them... there's no opportunity to control the flavor during the cooking process. That's what I mean by everything is smushed together. Putting these ingredients together also doesn't create any new flavors through the cooking process, it just makes things muddy as the juices run together.

Glad to see someone here making a comment that's an attempt at being constructively critical instead of being needlessly insulting

I still think this is absolutely disgusting but I can at least express my opinion with more than a *hoooorkkkk*

That's right. It's one thing to say "I don't like this". It's another (much better) thing to say "This is why I don't like this." Well said.

Gordon Ramsay is fucking weeping right now.

go to  FACCC you'll see that mine is fairly tame by comparison

Actually, no, yours fits... Right in with them.

Like, it looks just as bad. :/

enjoy teh 7 day block

If I did this, I would totally add about 1lb of bacon.

thanks for the idea

I'd also prefer to use lean mean, either 93/7 or even 97/3. If I could get a ton of lightly marbled fillets I would probably grind the meat myself.

Fat is great tasting, but the amount on the plate tells me that I could have drained it better if it were my plate. I'm not trying to be demeaning or insinuate you don't know what you're doing, but I've learned from experience that if you're cooking ground beef and you're not in a position to drain the fat out like with a meatloaf, you should use the lean beef. If you're draining the meat like if you're adding it to a sauce or for tacos or something, use the 73/27. You'll buy more, but your overall meat quality will remain the same after you drain it all off.

Yeah, I should have let the juices drain before plating the dish. And thanks for meat eaters unite comment

Not all furries are militant vegans who harp on people for choosing what they eat.

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I learned something new today. Any time I cook ground beef, I just pop it in my Foreman grill. I'll have to remember that when I venture away from the quick-and-simple cooking methods.

Thanks for the hint, I'll have to remember that for when I finally get one of those grills

I my Foreman grill. It can cook hot dogs really good, too. Not nearly as good as using an actual BBQ grill, but it's the next best thing. I make some great breaded chicken with it, too. Like I said, I make a lot of quick and simple meals.

I swearto god, I used a George Foreman grill ONE TIME. It only took one time of eating the most dry, leathery burger I have ever had in my life. I followed the directions to the T and even then I had several people explain that it's just how it came out. I cooked a burger the way I usually did from the same 2lb slab of 80/20 and it was one of the best burgers I had in a while.

If you're a health nut or you really can't have any fat in your diet for health reasons, it can work for you. I, however, eat what I want and maintain a decent weight. I just watch my meals and don't eat something like this every night of the week. But the George Foreman grill doesn't just knock out the fat, but it knocks out the taste.

Here is the rub on the whole thing. It can be condensed down to one true fact in food, and that is "Fat is where the flavor comes from". Not just in meats, but the fatty content is where the stuff that excites our tastebuds and activates the rest of your taste sense gets its ammo, no matter if its meat, dairy, cheeses - well, anything with a bit of fat content.

Ice cream is a prime example as well. The percentage of butterfat in ice cream is paramount in the rich taste of premium ice cream. Your cheap ice cream tastes like frozen yogurt since the amount of butterfat is small, but if you look at Ben and Jerry's you'll find that the butterfat content of is three times that of the cheap ice creams.

Amen!

M.E.U!

Curiousity: Is it the sauce or the meat that looks pink in the top center of the pic?

_{(Not trying to sound mean...This is an honest-to-goodness question.)}

it was from the sauce

That's what I was thinking. Maybe next time, you should use a lighter-colored sauce for the final pic. I know others have pointed out the lighting and so on, but I just wanted to add that using honey BBQ sauce, while quite yummy, makes it look more like it's oozing blood than covered in sauce.

At least on my computer, anyway.

Why make insulting comments? You have nothing to gain from doing so.

How would you feel if you posted something to your FA and people made comments about it just to be mean?

Chances are, he wouldn't really care? You can't please everyone on the planet, and people are assholes. We can't get rid of them, and sometimes their a real pain to ignore. So, we learn to live with them, and if you can't do that, your in for a damn rough existance.

on an unrelated note, and just because I don't wanna double-post ontop of my previous comment. I have the same plate, I think I may have the same bowl/dish/glass set that Aniko does. Hm.

theres still a huge difference between giving real comments based on what they see, and just being an annoying asshole who just wants to stir trouble and hate.
the first is a real person, the second is a troll.
A troll would say regardless of the content, something annoying or infuriating.
a real person would show their real opinion.
if most people think the same.. hint.. its not them.. ITS YOU what the problem is. (or in this case.. the subject at hand.. the dish)

I guess such people do have a useful purpose in that they do cause the rest of us to learn to control our emotions and not be too sensitive

Despite the looks of the pictures imaging...
It sounds Delicious...

M.E.U!!!

Chef Ramsey would have words.

Don't mind me going slightly off-topic, but Nom-nom-nomming icons FTW! =3

why so defensive about your creepy food?

Why make mean comments because you don't like the photo?

You comment a lot. And say like

the same thing

Because it's posted publicly on a website and therefore is open to judgement by whoever sees it. If people don't want negative comments, they shouldn't post their stuff on a public website.

Eureka! Give the man a medal. Posting in a public sight, where known assholes reside. Its like posting on 4chan and Not expecting some snarky retort. 4chan has its assholes, and so long as this is public, assholes will post on it. Ontop of that, getting all upset because someone thinks it distinctly resembles something else {Freakin, reminds me of a skunk I saw on the side of the road after it'd been hit by a semi} only serves to draw the trolls out of hiding, because they know you get upset by it.


Personally, I'd still eat it, foods food. And if I can stomach balute and Century eggs, I can probably eat this without so much as a gag. Well, so long as it's cooked right, and from anikos other comments, {besides him mentioning the "Don't be mean" and "Enjoy your ban" comments,} I'm going to assume it is.

Century eggs have a delicious gelatinous fermented flavor, also see the comment where it posits that this is impossible to cook properly, note the pink hamburger on the top. That isn't sauce, that's raw meat or I'll eat my pants.

I wouldn't eat something like this unless I was literally starving to death... not to mention it is a gross waste of protein, nobody can process that much meat efficiently (even one small slice). It's enough meat for 24 people.

It's not even about being assholes. People can express their honest opinion and this honestly looks awful and inedible to anyone with a palate that is sensitive to any taste at all.

Agreed, but if you look at things like Century Eggs, Balut, Manudle, a lot of foods tend to look Disgusting, but taste great. Balute for instance, most people look at it, see a dead fermented chick inside the egg, and run to vomit. I love the tasty crunch. So, thanks to my unique palette in that I can probably eat just about anything save for something that's completely rancid. I would give this a shot, despite the fact that it does not exactly look all that appetizing.

Again, if your going to post it to an internet site and try to make people want to eat it, without getting comments like the roadkill comments, or "Gutted cow" comments, or things like that. (And I have eaten cow guts, like, intestinal track, stomach, eyes, all that good stuff) You really need to learn proper presentation, instead of just posting food as is, however, if you do that expect people to come back anyways and be mean about it.

The real world, and the internet, are not nice places. People have opinions, and like it or not, they are going to express them. Not everyone is a sugary-sweet happy-go-lucky peppy motherfucker; who's gonna praise you, bend over and kiss your ass, and tell you how good your stuff looks all the time. Case and Point, Gideon. A lot of people bash him, insult his art, fairly popular artist. Does that stop him from ignoring or even taunting the people who insult his work? Nope, he just keeps right on going with, probably, a smile on his face. World famous cooks even get insulted all the time by "Critics" and "big mean people who don't have nothing nice to say".

Humans are mean, and you put us on the internet, behind a wall of anonymity, where you know almost nothing about us and the fear of reprisal is damn near non-existent. All those natural defense barriers that keep us from saying stupid shit in reality, that's likely get us punched in the nose, goes right the tubes. Does this mean courtesy isn't existent? Hell no. Does that make everyone who says what they think your food looks like, a "Big mean person with nothing nice to say?" Nope. Complaining about it doesn't fix the problem, all it does it serve to bring the real assholes up from the depths.

Also, dear mother of god wall-o-text.

Additionally, I have eaten parts of a gutted cow that have looked much more appetizing than the above food...ish thing.

Also, I approve of this wall of text.

i still think its creepy lol

is it alive? o.o

thanks, i thoroughly grossed out my friends by showing them this

I am *SO* going to make this for my roommates next month. I'm actually quite hungry just looking at this. :D

What are you? A zombie?

Let's see, I work two-and-a-half jobs and barely get 5 hours of sleep a night- why yes, I *am* a zombie.

My question to you:

If you dislike so many people bitching about your monkey brain meatloaf and feel the need to block them for stating obvious facts about it looking like a crime scene photo, why don't you Take A Better Photo?

You seem to understand that it's a bad photograph, so take a better one if everyone keeps telling you this one looks like mouth old roadkill in mid July. Thus we'll all get off your back and everyone will live happily ever after.


PROBLEM. RESOLVED.

I'm not going to pass judgement on whether or not it is a bad photo because that's a matter of opinion, but even if it were indeed a bad photo, that does not make it OK to be mean to him.

I'm a bitch so I reserve the right to be one whenever the flying fuck I damn well please.

Alas, my comment was not bitchy or mean. I could have been a horrid she-wench from the bowels of hell itself that will make every lingering second of our non-camera suave OP's life a relentless and never ending pit of pain and misery.
Instead I opted to just say his photo looked like a gutted cow.

If I showed this image to a three year old or a thirty year old, they would say the same thing.
But I could be much worse if you'd like? :3c


OH WHAT AM I THINKING? This is furry logic! Someone who does not agree with you = is being a bitch/troll.

Your response to me for what I said to you makes about as much sense as an immature child who gets angry at his parents for chastising him instead of the more logical action of admitting that how he acted was wrong.

Daw. Someone got upset on the internet <:3c

I don't understand these people who are being critical of your hiding inappropriate comments and blocking the offending user. While there is such a thing as being oversensitive, you've got comments that crossed the line from being reasonably critical to just being mean. There's nothing wrong with blocking people like that. If someone were doing me the same way, I'd want to block them too

most of the comments that are getting hidden are HARDLY "mean" or "offending".
they're saying the truth about what they see.
Ainoko's action seems on par of a kid who just doesnt want to see the truth and blocks his eyes and ears while screaming "I DONT HEAR YOU TRALALALALALA".
also if he really didnt want bad comments, he should.. again (like many have told him) to at least try to make the photo look better, same as the dish (and it clearly looks unbalancedly cooked..) or simple dont post it.
going into a block tirade only shows how a person cant handle comments or criticism and prefers to live in a happy unrealistic land filled with yes-men & fanboys.

I do agree that there is such a thing as being too quick to block someone. Though nobody should say something to anyone if they don't have anything nice or constructive to say.

thats exactly the problem, even when people gave him constructive criticism, he went into defensive mode and blocked people.

Quick question-What is Pepper-Jack Cheese and would a simple Tasty Cheese or hard cheese work instead? It looks to be a very tasty twist for a meatloaf. *hugs*

On another note: yes the photo isn't one of your best but I can look past this, read the recipe and conjecture how it would look in my kitchen. I like layered food and I can see how this would work. Also I will point out that the beef is only on the top and bottom therefore heat has direct access to the chicken in the centre through the sides of the pan which allow the chicken provided it itsn't too thick to cook through fully. The bottom layer of beef would remain moist due to liquids sinking down from above and the only section that might get a little dry would be the upper layer which you protect with foil or a cheese/sauce topping. Not every one can take a great photo everytime, heck I've buggered up some of my photo's right and propper. I'm delighted to see you make the attempt and welcome that you want to share a nice dish with us.
*hugs*

Pepper-Jack cheese is Monterey Jack cheese with jalapenos mixed in. It's got a spicy kick to it, but the cheese mellows some of the spice out. It's actually one of my favorite kinds of cheese, but not when you buy the overly cheap stuff...I've gotten dollar store Pepper-Jack cheese that had too much jalapenos in it, making it too spicy to be enjoyed.

Ah something I would need to avoid then. Thankyou for that. Mind you I love a cheese type that acts as a built in antidote for the jalapenos. *hugs*

No problem. Anything dairy will react to the jalapeno oils to mellow the spice, but having the cheese and the jalaps together in a single block is a nice blend. You get the spicy kick, but then the cheese keeps it from setting your mouth on fire.

I use Sargento brand pepper-jack cheese. It's not to strong and perfect for baking and cooking

Better?

What she said (yelleena) that is. I got more imagination that a poor photo can't spoil. Meat, meat with some veg on the side. Works for me.

*noms da meatloaf*

I never really tried meatloaf (cept in the hospital, but that doesnt count, right?) It would interesting to try.
As for the picture... It's honestly not that bad.. most furries seem to want to create more drama. It doesn't look like something on the side of the road or whatever these idiots say. I guess what they don't realize, is not everything is like what they see on TV. Food doesn't always come out pretty, with the side of basil on fine china with 10 forks and spoons on each side.

My suggestion would to take a picture of the whole thing, I'm not sure what is chicken and what is meatloaf.

on another note... can i stealz you? <3 everything you make looks sooo good!

I think that could be pretty enjoyable.

If I was blind.

People are being a little bit mean right now >.> it prolly doesn't look that appetising because of how close the camera lense is to the meat, so it's not the food its just how you taken the photograph. ^^;

I'm sure it tastes good but in this photograph it doesn't looks that nice if I'm honest.

I have said a few times earlier, I have made some mistakes shooting pics of the meal, especially using the flash. It seems that they really don't want to hear that, just troll for trolling sake. Won't let it get me down

Oh.. well I tried being constructive ^^;

You were, I do apologize if I was coming across a bit rude.

OH GOD THAT LOOKS INEDIBLE

hey,this looks really good,I have had it before,i made it at home,and its very good.thanx for posting,i thought i was the only one to stuff chicken in meatloaf,guess i was wrong,Cheers

new submission looks more appetizing :D

That was how it looked yesterday, but I took advantage of the better light, to get a more appealing pic.

Nice! This looks quite a bit better, now!

never again will I take pics of food after 5p

Whats those stupid veggies doing on that plate?

*punts off potatoes* "There"... 8-P

This looks like a much better shot. Photos and food plating if your not a pro is a bitch, but looking at the comments above, you know that.

Sorry they ripped it so hard. Meatloaf is always a great thing to make and a great American comfort food meal.

Hell, I made one last night, but it was a more traditional version, but still.

Thanks, I had much better light today than last night and took advantage of it. And for me, this is a learning process that I am going to have working on.

You'll love this once you make it

hmmm it lacks in presentation however it looks like a really filling meal. I would say maybe... try to flatten it out a bit and not make it look so much like just a "glob" of food, than a food. with some work on presentation this could look and taste like a filling and pleasant dish.

cloudchaser no one was being mean or disrespectful of Ainoko because of the food they made. they spoke their honest opinion as volatile as some of those may be. Ainokos photo had the worst setting giving it a horror-esque atmosphere, so when someone says it reminds them of a disemboweled animal, they are speaking candidly from the emotion the image evokes (a view i share). Lighting is at the heart of photography.

Ainoko here i have a piece of direct criticism for the way you handle Other peoples criticism: if you get this butthurt over the opinions of people on the internet, no doubt people you've never met, you need to grow a spine. youre in your 40's FFS.
Protip: shrugging this statement off would be a step in the right direction. ;3

Have a glorious day.
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There is helpful criticism, destructive criticism and out right complaints, bashing and trolling. Out of the 100+ comments that I have gotten on this submission, maybe ten were constructive letting me know what and where I made mistakes and how to fix them, the vast majority of the remaining comments were demeaning, destructive and malicious. I can understand honest feedback, when you or anyone else tells me that I did something wrong and suggests ways that may help, but when people come in to only make disparaging comments meant to degrade me, I will get butthurt as you put it. I have made statements acknowledging mistakes I made with presentation and photos. Yes I could have used a better topping sauce, one that didn't give the dish the appearance that it was uncooked, yes I could have done a better job on the presentation, but what I did is in the past. I am moving and so should everyone else.

my apologies if mine came off that way to be quite frank it made me want to try the recipe out my self which I'll be getting the ingredients today when I go food shopping the food sounds wonderful and I'd like to see if it tastes as good "if not hopefully better" then pic entails"

For uploading this culinary abomination and demanding asspats-only for it, I'm putting you on a 7-day block.

btw, the new picture is still a bit blurry, did you try with a tripod in a timer setting so the camera can get the correct lightning for the enviroment?

Thanks for posting this recipe. ^-^ It is really quite good. Me and my family loved it. ^-^

Glad you all enjoyed it.

im probably sparking up old flames here but it really doesnt look that good^^ however, im sure that its just the lighting and the angle, the other food photos you uploaded look better in quality! so please dont take this the wrong way.
also, the recipe itself sounds awesome! i love meatloaf and i think ill give this one a try next week :3

I randomly remembered this post years later. Hopefully you're able to have a laugh about it now, hahaha. I've had more than a few of my own culinary disasters...

I still laugh about it to this day, it's not my worst by far.

I had it saved on my phone for many years because I used to troll people with it, hahahaha. Anyway, how have you been? I vacated the fandom back in 2015, but I remember you were going through a rough time.

Wait a second...you changed the source file? NNOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! That picture was iconic!!!! (Was it like this before? I had images disabled so it slipped my notice.)

Nope, never changed the source file, though it's on a number of external HDDs

Please...keep it archived. It was a true piece of history.

I agree, but that failed dish has got me thinking about making it again as I know where I went wrong and what to do to make a far more tasty and appealing dish.

and this: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/46764454/ can attest that have learned from my stupidity and mistakes.

Whaat? That's nothing. Didn't you have one that literally looked like a murder scene? It was legendary.

somewhere in my archives if the pics still exist that is.