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And old journal post/quasi rant of frustration from my time on Deviant Art, made I wanna say around 2015, just around the time I started having some issues I'm only now coming to terms with/overcoming. Some in part to some dear community friends (one no longer with us, rest her soul) and some just getting my head out my butt/getting it back on straight, it also reinforced why I came to the furry side of macro/micro.....
I'd rather not delete it to the wispy void of the internet, so i felt I should save and post here. complete with replies:
This came about after being told macro/micro can only be violent/pornographic and that I'm doing it "wrong" topped of with a very vivid and horrible nightmare over a good friend within the community murdering me after they became a giant x.x so this is as much a "What" as a "band aid" from that very shaking dream...its a bit rants so I apologize
It started with someone's editorial on the macrophile community, focusing on the relationships between giants and non-giants. "Micros" and non-micros and how there is no "neutral" ground so to speak and how the seemingly basic "go to" with said fetish is that of violence, cruelty, and destruction, wanton and rampant and "Why does it always have to go straight to that"
At first I paid it no mind, I figured most go to it as that's how sci fi and such always showed of increased size, that first fueled my along side others interest, gave us that first poke towards all things Macrophilia/Microphilia as well as power relationships, BDSM dom/sub and all those little things like that tied in to the fetish and how most passing observers as well as some who are new to the fetish feel they HAVE to be violent or that it seems to be the ONLY game in town if you wanted to fit in.
I'm lost and frustrated, sometimes I feel like i have no "country" to call home as far as the community is concerned which as most of you who actually read both sides of the macro stuff I write can probably identify with. I'm not angry with either side, maybe a little frustrated, and simply won't fault anyone for digging what they enjoy, but continuing on on the things that have me in my current tumultuous state...
There was talk of a lacking "Humanity" both product wise and community wise and how readily it is tossed out, which I can understand...
I've seen both sides of the spectrum and at times, I admit I am schizophrenic when it comes to "Where I stand" and to say it frustrates me is a ...understatement. I get it, like what you like yadda yadda, and I have some folks get very heated and hyper-defensive when I ask "Why how, etc" with the violent side and sometimes with the gentle and on both sides I guess I have a hard time relating to some thing presented, feel out of touch, that "relate-able element" that "human element" we see in story characters (And yes I get that it is a fetish to some nothing more and that characterization is a tertiary to actions and looks, I get that) but sometimes it feels as if that is expected and I have moments where even when I do my own thing like everyone says, i cannot help but be made to feel at times that I'm still doing it wrong by both sides. So it has me flip flopping a lot just to find common ground with more than like the 4 people who've sat and understood/gotten to know why I'm so....fidgety on the subject of macro, I feel a lack of ...I can't say relatability because like most say and I know, fetish, shouldn't have relatability to a character.
Interactions feel, flat to me sometimes, the powerless and the powerful sometimes feel lacking in any potent emotion or display, like everything is just pre-coded and while the writing is stellar or there's some draw to the character, afterwards it just feels...I dunno....just lacking or vexing sometimes I feel a lack of build up, a lack of investment, even in my own work, where yes I gave great descriptions and the people who asked it of me are happy which iin turn makes me happy because I brought them a moment of joy, there are just times I feel like utter shit because someone mentions I'm a butcher, or asks, is that what all macro is like. (Which caused some...relation ties to a still good friend, who was interested, but seemed to not fit in because all the violence lovers wanted her to crush, rampage etc..and my work certainly didn't help these negative feelings on the community at large...and I still...bleh anyway)
It didn't hurt that the more I read the journals that followed, the more i thought about it, the more i started to notice the jabs at my "violent" work as well as some of the horribly disturbing comments left ranging from how hard they orgasm when "blah" was destroyed or how aroused they got when someone was used as lube, I started feeling like a monster, started hating my work even though I still did requests for the friends I'd made since once again, I liked seeing joy, despite my feeling like some horrible snuff porn creator and in turn making me wonder if this made me some monster outside the screen, away from WORD and Rich Text Editor. I started to Despise the violent side, I stopped writing for a while because I felt ill, felt subhuman when folks would mention or ask if I still did it when I went into a down turn with my work for a while and focused more on my fantasy items just to...get away.
Slowly but surely I'm pulling out of that, reminding myself with those few who've gotten to understand where I come from, understand what I'm feeling, but I still have bouts of that even on the gentle side of things where its like fuck, DO something other than snuggle me or whomever is in the story. Said journal also went in to how everything is starting to look and feel the same when it came to violent stories, like there's a strict formula that no one can deviate from, less they be cast out, ignored, no longer welcome and I admit a lot of times when I write both side of the macro spectrum, I worry about that even though I continue typing, the anxious side of me goes "You're doing it wrong, you're inconsistent, you're fucking it up, you're going to be cast aside if you keep this up" and it doesn't help in me finding that sweet spot where I feel truly comfortable writing wise, rp wise and community and potential macro/micro friend wise. Especially as someone who feels you CAN do giant stuff with violence, with gentleness with sex without sex and still tell something of a story, they don't need to be mutually exclusive and to tell me otherwise, while I'll respect that thought, I will wholeheartedly disagree and go out of my way to show you prime examples to prove my point. I mean Giants, smaller beings (Since there's no real...term to describe them) are in our classic literature, not fetishy so it kinda gives backing to those like say Durandal who wrote an entire series around giants and normal sized folks interacting and didn't have much in the way of sex to sell it....so that has helped pull me out of this down ward spiral I still fight, which I hate as its caused strife with those I'd call friend or at least like to.
Another influence/contributor to my confused state and it is no fault of the author is this particular journal, it made me think, made me doubt myself, made me wonder more on...well the state of things, and on the "bully" portion I can agree having been bulldozed, pushed aside, yelled at, talked down to and told my stuff sucks, because it didn't cater to this side or the other and sadly, the side that would always be that vocal was the stompy, destructive side and much like an abused dog, I became wary of anyone on that side of things which frustrated me and which in turn lead me to channel that anger in to some of the more...stereotypical stories you've seen from my pen.
Out of that article I think this line has stuck with me, has had me just...thinking, just guarded, just flip flopping back and forth wondering if I'm like this, something more or worse on the opposite side.
I'm frustrated at people who cheapen something so wonderful and refute any advances to saying “no, its more than that”, who tell me that its all just for smut and to be laughed off, that it cant be anything else, I can't manage to just be 'frustrated' with these people because of how absolutely insulting they are, careless and outright mean. words again fail me in just what I wish I could express about how wrong this notion is, how wrong it is to be so stead fast with people that something so beautiful and complex can be boiled down to its lowest common denominator at all times, that it can't or shouldn't mean something more to people.
I'd be a lying sack of refuse if I said I didn't think of things like that when i first came here, and sometimes I wonder given how hard some people hammer and mock me on it or get sarcastic with the "it's porn" line of thinking....
That said and before anyone jumps my guts, if you like the pure fetish side, fine and dandy, but don't go telling others that the above way of thinking is in anyway wrong I've seen good writers poof from existence because of such, same goes for the other side of the coin, to which I honestly apologize to all I've wronged on that since yeah after ages of that it's fueled my current state of mind, which I'm slowly working through. I find I only really get...tense on the subject when the conversion of macro is brought up and those like myself are dismissed like we aren't "real fans" and I may not have ever started gentle, or plot oriented work were it not for several very well written gentle stories based in the Legacyverse world souls like Durandal, Shazzlenet, Blazbaros etc....but I'm rambling again, what I'm trying to say at length with the rambling, brought on just by some questions, concerns and polite "pointing" out by a few is that I'm in a weird state, I like both sides, feel i can't like both sides or can't have specific things about both sides that I like, I'm having a damn hard time pinning down those things right now at least on the why, outside of a few very very horrible experiences.
I mean I know what I like and get....which I'll go in to in another journal, right now I feel like I made a fool of myself and pray people I've hurt or weirded out and had tilt their head at me understands what I'm getting at.
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Titaness-Fujiko
Edited Sep 23, 2015
Oh wow, well... let me just say that you're struggling with a lot of the things that I've struggled with in the macro community.
First off, let me give you a piece of advice. Slap whoever told you that you were 'doing it wrong.' If you're wondering why, it's because there's no such thing.
Macrophilia, and size fetishes in general, are broad fetishes. And I mean a very broad fetish. We've got foot fetishists, hand fetishists, other body part fetishists, crush fetishists, vore fetishists, insertion fetishists, growth fetishists, shrink fetishists, height fetishists, power fetishists, bondage fetishists. We've got macrophiles into everything from people who are 'merely' very tall up to people who outsize cosmic objects and phenomena, and into those who are just a little shorter than normal all the way down to the microscopic. Hell, I'm only scratching the tip of the iceberg there. What's more, we've got just about every combination of the above you can imagine and probably a few that you can't unless you wanna devote a week just to doing so.
Now, some content types are, naturally, more popular than others, same as in every fetish. For size-fetishism, it's typically violent giantess or shrunken-man scenarios. I don't know why, I'm one of the people who's not into that, but that's the state of things. If you're looking to be popular then, well, that's what you make. I honestly don't give two figs about being popular - those situations don't satisfy me and honestly leave me feeling a bit skeevy (by the way, I'm not judging anyone), so I don't do them except in rare occasions.
This doesn't mean that other types don't have an audience. I mostly interact with the fetish in the form of private, one-on-one RP. I'm looking at my contact list of RP partners, and counting about 32 there. And keep in mind, I'm not into violent giantess much. There's definitely an audience for gentle play, if that's what you want to make, you just have to work a bit harder to find them and get your material out there for them to appreciate. You may never reach the kind of popularity that more mainstream producers enjoy, but in my honest opinion a small but committed fanbase is much better than a shallow, widely-spread one.
You, unfortunately, will also have to deal with entitled people demanding that you do things that you dislike. They'll try to convince you that their preferences in size fetishism are the only way to do it. They are stupid and you should not listen to them. If necessary, smack the stupid out of them, preferably verbally. The most important thing is for you to be happy with your art, and if producing art that caters to minimal-plot, 100% fetish violent-giantess scenarios is not making you happy, don't do it.
Now, you touch on another thing I want to discuss - the idea that plot-free violent-giantess scenarios being the 'mainstream' in this fetish says something about us. Well, let's do a little thought-experiment. Replace "giantess" with "giant monster" in a giantess flick, and then take a giant monster movie and strip out all of the scenes that don't feature the giant monster. Suddenly, they start to look a lot alike, don't they? Nobody questions whether or not the giant monsters might like to do something other than wreck Tokyo. To a lot of macrophiles, they want a giantess that is basically Godzilla, only hornier and sexier. She's a fetish-object, not a person. She has no motivations other than to serve the necessary fetish-fulfillment role, and will typically be given only just enough characterization to be able to do so, if that.
In that sense, mainstream macrophilia is not a lot different than any other fetish in that regard. As a result, it's not saying anything that's any different from other fetishes. As for what it's saying, well I'll leave that up to your imagination. Flame wars start over that sort of debate, and I honestly don't feel like being the cause of one.
Most importantly, If you don't like that aspect about macrophilia, for whatever reason, don't do it. Take pains, like I do, to disassociate yourself from that kind of stuff. And again, if people try to tell you that you're wrong for not catering to the mainstream? Slap them for it. Nobody can tell you what kind of art to produce, or what kind to enjoy.
Most people want bare-bones smut. If you don't want to make bare-bones smut, don't. Others, like me, will appreciate you for it.
----
Aliasi
Sep 22, 2015
I totally agree with your comment on that. Indeed, ran into that attitude on a forum elsewhere; someone was loudly complaining that a GTS comic producer would DARE to have giant men in there and this was why they were going to pirate that producer's future works. (Then again, this was a forum where someone was calling Anita Sarkeesian a 'cancer on the industry', so not exactly the most enlightened sorts to begin with.)
I've had some of my greatest success going into non-sexual venues where a bit of sex sometimes happens in private around the edges. Without the 'kink party' focus, you can get a lot more adventure and playing around with the concept.
Lunarskyproductions
Oct 10, 2015
Titaness-Fujiko's kinda on the right track here.
I would add a couple of points. The first is that it is possible to have none smut with the concept, and it is done, it's just not normally as vocalized. I recall a Super Hero Rp I was doing with a friend at one time were I had one character who was a younger member of a highly advanced alien race, who were smaller then ants. He'd crash landed on earth and made friend with one of my characters friends, who was a little girl who happened to be a big hyperactive, and was a Dexter's Lab style super genius. No sex/sexyness aspects, just Hijinks in the back ground of the super RP that likely wouldn't have been out of place on an episode of Justice League: Unlimited or Dexter's Lab. I had another Macro/Micro RP with the same person were, while yes, there was sex between characters, we spent a lot of time working out back story's and personality's and quirks for the characters and playing with other concepts for the world building, things like technology's that had come around in the several centuries we had for the setting that had taken place between now and the RP's part of the time line. And this was enjoyed immensely by both of us.
It can be done, and it can be very rewarding. Now, just for full disclosure, I do have violent material in faves. 2 reasons. 1: The power aspect that comes with Macro/Micro is appealing to me, and that's not any worse a thing really then anyone who likes Attack on Titan or Comic books or Shonen Anime or video games or Kaiju/Super hero/Giant robot shows/movies. And while I love the power aspect, I'm still not big on killing to prove the point. 2: That there are Items I like only for the technical of it, or certain details, and not for the overall violence aspect. I also like some of the sxy/sexyness/smut angles, but not all the time. I like to have the option, and I do enjoy that option, but I can enjoy other things if there being well played out.
And that brings me to my next point.
sorenzer0.deviantart.com/art/F… This is something that contains foot stuff, which I like, vore, which for the most part I don't with the odd exception here or there, and body exploration, which is nice. All of which is utterly ruined for me by the context that it's mother/daughter. But the more legitimate side of the mother daughter relation ship? Even though it's suppose to be a fetish fuel piece? That actually gives it something other then fetish fuel to me. It's actual art cause it does try to tell what, if you subtract the fetishy aspects of it, is a nice story about a parent and child bonding. And I like it for that reason, because as I said, incest subtext ruins the whole of everything else for me.
At the end of the day, art is subjective. Maybe you won't like the particular item I've linked for example. But there are people out here who want to do more then the 2 extreme's your laying out. Who like character and world building, who don't want to make it smutty or who want to do sex-related things but don't want there to be a violence aspect to it. There is a medium point somewhere were you'd probably find you enjoy it and your getting all your desires/needs met in a way that's making you happy.
CrushyDraws
Oct 4, 2022
Personally, I had a similar experience. I ended up hating the violent side myself.
However, One thing about me, is that I am a very creative person, and I like edgy and badass characters.
I also research serial killer a lot too (don’t judge me, it’s just fascination).
So I used my rage at the community, to fuel my creativity.
So I created characters that are giantess serial killers who hate/kill their own kind.
But it’s not just for shock value, they have actual emotions and reasons for being what they are.
I try to make my characters complex and not just edgelords (most of the time).
So my character the “Own Scale Slaughterer” is a character who I think you should check out.
I do comment about her a lot though, and I annoys a lot of people, so I’m sorry if you don’t like my advertisement.
Overall, EXTREMELY relatable rant, I identify with you :).
I'd rather not delete it to the wispy void of the internet, so i felt I should save and post here. complete with replies:
This came about after being told macro/micro can only be violent/pornographic and that I'm doing it "wrong" topped of with a very vivid and horrible nightmare over a good friend within the community murdering me after they became a giant x.x so this is as much a "What" as a "band aid" from that very shaking dream...its a bit rants so I apologize
It started with someone's editorial on the macrophile community, focusing on the relationships between giants and non-giants. "Micros" and non-micros and how there is no "neutral" ground so to speak and how the seemingly basic "go to" with said fetish is that of violence, cruelty, and destruction, wanton and rampant and "Why does it always have to go straight to that"
At first I paid it no mind, I figured most go to it as that's how sci fi and such always showed of increased size, that first fueled my along side others interest, gave us that first poke towards all things Macrophilia/Microphilia as well as power relationships, BDSM dom/sub and all those little things like that tied in to the fetish and how most passing observers as well as some who are new to the fetish feel they HAVE to be violent or that it seems to be the ONLY game in town if you wanted to fit in.
I'm lost and frustrated, sometimes I feel like i have no "country" to call home as far as the community is concerned which as most of you who actually read both sides of the macro stuff I write can probably identify with. I'm not angry with either side, maybe a little frustrated, and simply won't fault anyone for digging what they enjoy, but continuing on on the things that have me in my current tumultuous state...
There was talk of a lacking "Humanity" both product wise and community wise and how readily it is tossed out, which I can understand...
I've seen both sides of the spectrum and at times, I admit I am schizophrenic when it comes to "Where I stand" and to say it frustrates me is a ...understatement. I get it, like what you like yadda yadda, and I have some folks get very heated and hyper-defensive when I ask "Why how, etc" with the violent side and sometimes with the gentle and on both sides I guess I have a hard time relating to some thing presented, feel out of touch, that "relate-able element" that "human element" we see in story characters (And yes I get that it is a fetish to some nothing more and that characterization is a tertiary to actions and looks, I get that) but sometimes it feels as if that is expected and I have moments where even when I do my own thing like everyone says, i cannot help but be made to feel at times that I'm still doing it wrong by both sides. So it has me flip flopping a lot just to find common ground with more than like the 4 people who've sat and understood/gotten to know why I'm so....fidgety on the subject of macro, I feel a lack of ...I can't say relatability because like most say and I know, fetish, shouldn't have relatability to a character.
Interactions feel, flat to me sometimes, the powerless and the powerful sometimes feel lacking in any potent emotion or display, like everything is just pre-coded and while the writing is stellar or there's some draw to the character, afterwards it just feels...I dunno....just lacking or vexing sometimes I feel a lack of build up, a lack of investment, even in my own work, where yes I gave great descriptions and the people who asked it of me are happy which iin turn makes me happy because I brought them a moment of joy, there are just times I feel like utter shit because someone mentions I'm a butcher, or asks, is that what all macro is like. (Which caused some...relation ties to a still good friend, who was interested, but seemed to not fit in because all the violence lovers wanted her to crush, rampage etc..and my work certainly didn't help these negative feelings on the community at large...and I still...bleh anyway)
It didn't hurt that the more I read the journals that followed, the more i thought about it, the more i started to notice the jabs at my "violent" work as well as some of the horribly disturbing comments left ranging from how hard they orgasm when "blah" was destroyed or how aroused they got when someone was used as lube, I started feeling like a monster, started hating my work even though I still did requests for the friends I'd made since once again, I liked seeing joy, despite my feeling like some horrible snuff porn creator and in turn making me wonder if this made me some monster outside the screen, away from WORD and Rich Text Editor. I started to Despise the violent side, I stopped writing for a while because I felt ill, felt subhuman when folks would mention or ask if I still did it when I went into a down turn with my work for a while and focused more on my fantasy items just to...get away.
Slowly but surely I'm pulling out of that, reminding myself with those few who've gotten to understand where I come from, understand what I'm feeling, but I still have bouts of that even on the gentle side of things where its like fuck, DO something other than snuggle me or whomever is in the story. Said journal also went in to how everything is starting to look and feel the same when it came to violent stories, like there's a strict formula that no one can deviate from, less they be cast out, ignored, no longer welcome and I admit a lot of times when I write both side of the macro spectrum, I worry about that even though I continue typing, the anxious side of me goes "You're doing it wrong, you're inconsistent, you're fucking it up, you're going to be cast aside if you keep this up" and it doesn't help in me finding that sweet spot where I feel truly comfortable writing wise, rp wise and community and potential macro/micro friend wise. Especially as someone who feels you CAN do giant stuff with violence, with gentleness with sex without sex and still tell something of a story, they don't need to be mutually exclusive and to tell me otherwise, while I'll respect that thought, I will wholeheartedly disagree and go out of my way to show you prime examples to prove my point. I mean Giants, smaller beings (Since there's no real...term to describe them) are in our classic literature, not fetishy so it kinda gives backing to those like say Durandal who wrote an entire series around giants and normal sized folks interacting and didn't have much in the way of sex to sell it....so that has helped pull me out of this down ward spiral I still fight, which I hate as its caused strife with those I'd call friend or at least like to.
Another influence/contributor to my confused state and it is no fault of the author is this particular journal, it made me think, made me doubt myself, made me wonder more on...well the state of things, and on the "bully" portion I can agree having been bulldozed, pushed aside, yelled at, talked down to and told my stuff sucks, because it didn't cater to this side or the other and sadly, the side that would always be that vocal was the stompy, destructive side and much like an abused dog, I became wary of anyone on that side of things which frustrated me and which in turn lead me to channel that anger in to some of the more...stereotypical stories you've seen from my pen.
Out of that article I think this line has stuck with me, has had me just...thinking, just guarded, just flip flopping back and forth wondering if I'm like this, something more or worse on the opposite side.
I'm frustrated at people who cheapen something so wonderful and refute any advances to saying “no, its more than that”, who tell me that its all just for smut and to be laughed off, that it cant be anything else, I can't manage to just be 'frustrated' with these people because of how absolutely insulting they are, careless and outright mean. words again fail me in just what I wish I could express about how wrong this notion is, how wrong it is to be so stead fast with people that something so beautiful and complex can be boiled down to its lowest common denominator at all times, that it can't or shouldn't mean something more to people.
I'd be a lying sack of refuse if I said I didn't think of things like that when i first came here, and sometimes I wonder given how hard some people hammer and mock me on it or get sarcastic with the "it's porn" line of thinking....
That said and before anyone jumps my guts, if you like the pure fetish side, fine and dandy, but don't go telling others that the above way of thinking is in anyway wrong I've seen good writers poof from existence because of such, same goes for the other side of the coin, to which I honestly apologize to all I've wronged on that since yeah after ages of that it's fueled my current state of mind, which I'm slowly working through. I find I only really get...tense on the subject when the conversion of macro is brought up and those like myself are dismissed like we aren't "real fans" and I may not have ever started gentle, or plot oriented work were it not for several very well written gentle stories based in the Legacyverse world souls like Durandal, Shazzlenet, Blazbaros etc....but I'm rambling again, what I'm trying to say at length with the rambling, brought on just by some questions, concerns and polite "pointing" out by a few is that I'm in a weird state, I like both sides, feel i can't like both sides or can't have specific things about both sides that I like, I'm having a damn hard time pinning down those things right now at least on the why, outside of a few very very horrible experiences.
I mean I know what I like and get....which I'll go in to in another journal, right now I feel like I made a fool of myself and pray people I've hurt or weirded out and had tilt their head at me understands what I'm getting at.
Replies:
Titaness-Fujiko
Edited Sep 23, 2015
Oh wow, well... let me just say that you're struggling with a lot of the things that I've struggled with in the macro community.
First off, let me give you a piece of advice. Slap whoever told you that you were 'doing it wrong.' If you're wondering why, it's because there's no such thing.
Macrophilia, and size fetishes in general, are broad fetishes. And I mean a very broad fetish. We've got foot fetishists, hand fetishists, other body part fetishists, crush fetishists, vore fetishists, insertion fetishists, growth fetishists, shrink fetishists, height fetishists, power fetishists, bondage fetishists. We've got macrophiles into everything from people who are 'merely' very tall up to people who outsize cosmic objects and phenomena, and into those who are just a little shorter than normal all the way down to the microscopic. Hell, I'm only scratching the tip of the iceberg there. What's more, we've got just about every combination of the above you can imagine and probably a few that you can't unless you wanna devote a week just to doing so.
Now, some content types are, naturally, more popular than others, same as in every fetish. For size-fetishism, it's typically violent giantess or shrunken-man scenarios. I don't know why, I'm one of the people who's not into that, but that's the state of things. If you're looking to be popular then, well, that's what you make. I honestly don't give two figs about being popular - those situations don't satisfy me and honestly leave me feeling a bit skeevy (by the way, I'm not judging anyone), so I don't do them except in rare occasions.
This doesn't mean that other types don't have an audience. I mostly interact with the fetish in the form of private, one-on-one RP. I'm looking at my contact list of RP partners, and counting about 32 there. And keep in mind, I'm not into violent giantess much. There's definitely an audience for gentle play, if that's what you want to make, you just have to work a bit harder to find them and get your material out there for them to appreciate. You may never reach the kind of popularity that more mainstream producers enjoy, but in my honest opinion a small but committed fanbase is much better than a shallow, widely-spread one.
You, unfortunately, will also have to deal with entitled people demanding that you do things that you dislike. They'll try to convince you that their preferences in size fetishism are the only way to do it. They are stupid and you should not listen to them. If necessary, smack the stupid out of them, preferably verbally. The most important thing is for you to be happy with your art, and if producing art that caters to minimal-plot, 100% fetish violent-giantess scenarios is not making you happy, don't do it.
Now, you touch on another thing I want to discuss - the idea that plot-free violent-giantess scenarios being the 'mainstream' in this fetish says something about us. Well, let's do a little thought-experiment. Replace "giantess" with "giant monster" in a giantess flick, and then take a giant monster movie and strip out all of the scenes that don't feature the giant monster. Suddenly, they start to look a lot alike, don't they? Nobody questions whether or not the giant monsters might like to do something other than wreck Tokyo. To a lot of macrophiles, they want a giantess that is basically Godzilla, only hornier and sexier. She's a fetish-object, not a person. She has no motivations other than to serve the necessary fetish-fulfillment role, and will typically be given only just enough characterization to be able to do so, if that.
In that sense, mainstream macrophilia is not a lot different than any other fetish in that regard. As a result, it's not saying anything that's any different from other fetishes. As for what it's saying, well I'll leave that up to your imagination. Flame wars start over that sort of debate, and I honestly don't feel like being the cause of one.
Most importantly, If you don't like that aspect about macrophilia, for whatever reason, don't do it. Take pains, like I do, to disassociate yourself from that kind of stuff. And again, if people try to tell you that you're wrong for not catering to the mainstream? Slap them for it. Nobody can tell you what kind of art to produce, or what kind to enjoy.
Most people want bare-bones smut. If you don't want to make bare-bones smut, don't. Others, like me, will appreciate you for it.
----
Aliasi
Sep 22, 2015
I totally agree with your comment on that. Indeed, ran into that attitude on a forum elsewhere; someone was loudly complaining that a GTS comic producer would DARE to have giant men in there and this was why they were going to pirate that producer's future works. (Then again, this was a forum where someone was calling Anita Sarkeesian a 'cancer on the industry', so not exactly the most enlightened sorts to begin with.)
I've had some of my greatest success going into non-sexual venues where a bit of sex sometimes happens in private around the edges. Without the 'kink party' focus, you can get a lot more adventure and playing around with the concept.
Lunarskyproductions
Oct 10, 2015
Titaness-Fujiko's kinda on the right track here.
I would add a couple of points. The first is that it is possible to have none smut with the concept, and it is done, it's just not normally as vocalized. I recall a Super Hero Rp I was doing with a friend at one time were I had one character who was a younger member of a highly advanced alien race, who were smaller then ants. He'd crash landed on earth and made friend with one of my characters friends, who was a little girl who happened to be a big hyperactive, and was a Dexter's Lab style super genius. No sex/sexyness aspects, just Hijinks in the back ground of the super RP that likely wouldn't have been out of place on an episode of Justice League: Unlimited or Dexter's Lab. I had another Macro/Micro RP with the same person were, while yes, there was sex between characters, we spent a lot of time working out back story's and personality's and quirks for the characters and playing with other concepts for the world building, things like technology's that had come around in the several centuries we had for the setting that had taken place between now and the RP's part of the time line. And this was enjoyed immensely by both of us.
It can be done, and it can be very rewarding. Now, just for full disclosure, I do have violent material in faves. 2 reasons. 1: The power aspect that comes with Macro/Micro is appealing to me, and that's not any worse a thing really then anyone who likes Attack on Titan or Comic books or Shonen Anime or video games or Kaiju/Super hero/Giant robot shows/movies. And while I love the power aspect, I'm still not big on killing to prove the point. 2: That there are Items I like only for the technical of it, or certain details, and not for the overall violence aspect. I also like some of the sxy/sexyness/smut angles, but not all the time. I like to have the option, and I do enjoy that option, but I can enjoy other things if there being well played out.
And that brings me to my next point.
sorenzer0.deviantart.com/art/F… This is something that contains foot stuff, which I like, vore, which for the most part I don't with the odd exception here or there, and body exploration, which is nice. All of which is utterly ruined for me by the context that it's mother/daughter. But the more legitimate side of the mother daughter relation ship? Even though it's suppose to be a fetish fuel piece? That actually gives it something other then fetish fuel to me. It's actual art cause it does try to tell what, if you subtract the fetishy aspects of it, is a nice story about a parent and child bonding. And I like it for that reason, because as I said, incest subtext ruins the whole of everything else for me.
At the end of the day, art is subjective. Maybe you won't like the particular item I've linked for example. But there are people out here who want to do more then the 2 extreme's your laying out. Who like character and world building, who don't want to make it smutty or who want to do sex-related things but don't want there to be a violence aspect to it. There is a medium point somewhere were you'd probably find you enjoy it and your getting all your desires/needs met in a way that's making you happy.
CrushyDraws
Oct 4, 2022
Personally, I had a similar experience. I ended up hating the violent side myself.
However, One thing about me, is that I am a very creative person, and I like edgy and badass characters.
I also research serial killer a lot too (don’t judge me, it’s just fascination).
So I used my rage at the community, to fuel my creativity.
So I created characters that are giantess serial killers who hate/kill their own kind.
But it’s not just for shock value, they have actual emotions and reasons for being what they are.
I try to make my characters complex and not just edgelords (most of the time).
So my character the “Own Scale Slaughterer” is a character who I think you should check out.
I do comment about her a lot though, and I annoys a lot of people, so I’m sorry if you don’t like my advertisement.
Overall, EXTREMELY relatable rant, I identify with you :).
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Ah, your own tastes being nonsensically contradictory and giving *yourself* cognitive dissonance, that's something I can relate to! (Here's your club membership card, I promise you'll always regret joining!)
I'm fairly certain macro defaults to violence because a lot of us have our interest awakened by kaiju scenes, and someone gigantic being destructive is the obvious and expected thing.
Me, I've developed a major kink for safety and trust in macro interactions. I also realized a while back that since being dangerous is the obvious and expected thing for someone gigantic, it's also the easy and lazy thing. Not hurting people and wrecking things is a challenge for a giant monster, and challenge makes for a more interesting story.
That's what I say in support of my own preferences, anyway. And everyone knows that their own opinion is the best one.
I'm fairly certain macro defaults to violence because a lot of us have our interest awakened by kaiju scenes, and someone gigantic being destructive is the obvious and expected thing.
Me, I've developed a major kink for safety and trust in macro interactions. I also realized a while back that since being dangerous is the obvious and expected thing for someone gigantic, it's also the easy and lazy thing. Not hurting people and wrecking things is a challenge for a giant monster, and challenge makes for a more interesting story.
That's what I say in support of my own preferences, anyway. And everyone knows that their own opinion is the best one.
I did had a fetish in macro, size Growth, and weight gain. All 3 combined with one being the bigger focus is so good in my eyes.
That aside. I do agree with you! It gets stale to see macro creatures just use violence cause violence is fun attitude. It's stale.
Now I once thought of 3 kaijus. One was always aggressive and violent.
One was full gentle Giantess that never want to hurt the innocent life ever!
And one giant that is more who you treat him/her. Treat them like a pest? They will start to become a violent monster. Ready to destroy everything in the name of revenge. Treat them like a family member? Or gentle care? The Kaiju will start to become gentle as well. (Think of the "Treat others the way YOU want to be treated" approach.)
Heck! I once made a giant. (long ago. It is gone now ) Where the poor giant shrunk Into a small size...
This now micro-ish fella is at the mercy of the bigger fellas. And it goes in 3 ways.
One way is the smaller one is tortured. Eventually the tiny one grows back to their huge size or grows even bigger. And now became a rampager. Killing all for the crappy treatment they got. Killing anything and everything for fun at this point. Violence was their only medicine now...
2nd way: the smaller fella was both bullied and cared for by different people/creatures. When the fella grew back or grew bigger than their og huge size? They went to help out those who helped them. And went out of their way to smash the wrong doers as revenge for their evil acts. (But never hurt the innocents. Just the guilty ones got smashed.)
And 3rd and last posible outcome: the smaller one was treated like a pet and family member. Something to be loved and cared for. When the smaller one grew back to their huge size. Or bigger? The fella became much more humble and gentle to others. Basically becoming the gentle Giant/Giantess.
Hope my long crap was worth something.
That aside. I do agree with you! It gets stale to see macro creatures just use violence cause violence is fun attitude. It's stale.
Now I once thought of 3 kaijus. One was always aggressive and violent.
One was full gentle Giantess that never want to hurt the innocent life ever!
And one giant that is more who you treat him/her. Treat them like a pest? They will start to become a violent monster. Ready to destroy everything in the name of revenge. Treat them like a family member? Or gentle care? The Kaiju will start to become gentle as well. (Think of the "Treat others the way YOU want to be treated" approach.)
Heck! I once made a giant. (long ago. It is gone now ) Where the poor giant shrunk Into a small size...
This now micro-ish fella is at the mercy of the bigger fellas. And it goes in 3 ways.
One way is the smaller one is tortured. Eventually the tiny one grows back to their huge size or grows even bigger. And now became a rampager. Killing all for the crappy treatment they got. Killing anything and everything for fun at this point. Violence was their only medicine now...
2nd way: the smaller fella was both bullied and cared for by different people/creatures. When the fella grew back or grew bigger than their og huge size? They went to help out those who helped them. And went out of their way to smash the wrong doers as revenge for their evil acts. (But never hurt the innocents. Just the guilty ones got smashed.)
And 3rd and last posible outcome: the smaller one was treated like a pet and family member. Something to be loved and cared for. When the smaller one grew back to their huge size. Or bigger? The fella became much more humble and gentle to others. Basically becoming the gentle Giant/Giantess.
Hope my long crap was worth something.
I see lots of folks be pretty hard line for or hard line against one aspect or another. It feels a little corny to say but the old adages "moderation in all things is the best policy" and "everything in moderation, including moderation" comes to mind. Most of what I did at first was violent, then I got into RPing quite a bit and got an urge for softer stuff, then back to violent, then softer again. By now I've seen just about all there is on the violent to gentle scale and quite a lot on other scales too.
To each their own is how I tend to operate. If what someone's doing isn't for me, that's fine. If what I do isn't for them, that's fine too. Either of those could change from project to project, or as a trend over time. It's one of those complicated case by case things where you're usually better off giving each case ample time and respect to figure out. It can get exhausting, but that's part of genuinely caring for or about people.
To each their own is how I tend to operate. If what someone's doing isn't for me, that's fine. If what I do isn't for them, that's fine too. Either of those could change from project to project, or as a trend over time. It's one of those complicated case by case things where you're usually better off giving each case ample time and respect to figure out. It can get exhausting, but that's part of genuinely caring for or about people.
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