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Kassen Akoll, local "expert"
(High-res version available for free over on my Patreon!)
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Raptie
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oniontrain & 
koofins !
https://unitedhelpukraine.org/ https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/
Kassen Akoll, local "expert"
(High-res version available for free over on my Patreon!)
Editor
Raptie Colorists
oniontrain & koofins !https://unitedhelpukraine.org/ https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/
Category Artwork (Digital) / Comics
Species Yinglet
Size 900 x 2873px
File Size 3.54 MB
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You put so much effort into making Kass's journal entries feel like they were written by her (as an actual person instead of a fantasy character). I love the whole thing about how Kass didn't even register being female because they were still getting used to being a yinglet this whole time.
I think it's a totally reasonable place for this to go. Kassen is extremely stubborn, it's been shown that his main reaction to hardship is to put his head down, stop thinking and march until he feels safe. It's also been shown that he will fake confidence to keep his friends from worrying about him. This is a situation that would strike an identity crisis in just about anyone, Kassen just has the right personality to delay it for longer than most
I really appreciate the effort you're making in painting the nuances of Kass's gender identity and how they're coming to terms with it;
for as long as I've been into gender tf, the way folks paint it as being dependent on the body and not on the personality and mind has always rubbed me the wrong way, which has only really gotten worse as I've come to understand my own gender identity and dysphoria.
it's just been kinda...offputting to me that cause we want the character to physically be a woman/man and serve as a proxy for our own wants and desires, their personality and agency gets disregarded
Whilst I still don't know what direction you're going to go in with Kass's gender (am hoping for trans man), I'm grateful that you're taking the time to actually touch on the subject here
for as long as I've been into gender tf, the way folks paint it as being dependent on the body and not on the personality and mind has always rubbed me the wrong way, which has only really gotten worse as I've come to understand my own gender identity and dysphoria.
it's just been kinda...offputting to me that cause we want the character to physically be a woman/man and serve as a proxy for our own wants and desires, their personality and agency gets disregarded
Whilst I still don't know what direction you're going to go in with Kass's gender (am hoping for trans man), I'm grateful that you're taking the time to actually touch on the subject here
yeye, I'm all for silly fantasies about boys becoming girls,
but in spite of that, I also want stories about men gaining woman hood and that allowing them to embrace their preferred masculine identity with a greater sense of self awareness
having just the former actually feels a little unintentionally trans-phobic at times
more often than not, I feel that there's a major difference between being assigned one sex and deliberately pursuing another gender,
and being assigned a gender that you're comfy with and then being forced to bare another one.
and I kind of just want tf content to grapple with that more consciously instead of sweeping it under the rug
but in spite of that, I also want stories about men gaining woman hood and that allowing them to embrace their preferred masculine identity with a greater sense of self awareness
having just the former actually feels a little unintentionally trans-phobic at times
more often than not, I feel that there's a major difference between being assigned one sex and deliberately pursuing another gender,
and being assigned a gender that you're comfy with and then being forced to bare another one.
and I kind of just want tf content to grapple with that more consciously instead of sweeping it under the rug
I actually find it quite interesting because while we would welcome such change, your average 'dude' would not and would react quite badly. I like seeing this aspect of it.
The comic has helped me in the sense that I have had surgeries and things put in my body that I did not want, and as much as I enjoy transformation, cyborg enhancements, it's another thing when it's unwilling or undesired.
I've had no choice but to cope, and it's nice to see Kass having no choice but to cope either. If he had been reacting as if her new form was the greatest thing ever, I feel the story would be lessened.
The comic has helped me in the sense that I have had surgeries and things put in my body that I did not want, and as much as I enjoy transformation, cyborg enhancements, it's another thing when it's unwilling or undesired.
I've had no choice but to cope, and it's nice to see Kass having no choice but to cope either. If he had been reacting as if her new form was the greatest thing ever, I feel the story would be lessened.
i like the way you articulated your thoughts, which is something i was thinking about for a while. 'allowing them to embrace their preferred masculine identity with a greater sense of self awareness' is something ive come to deeply appreciate and enjoy (its probably really obvious in my case).
even if the comic doesnt go in that direction its extremely refreshing seeing the introspection done so far
even if the comic doesnt go in that direction its extremely refreshing seeing the introspection done so far
Yeye
For real for real though, I genuinely do hope you don't use that as an excuse to force a narrative about Kass accepting feminity Inspite of their discomfort
I don't think you're going in that direction, but I really don't need more transphobic tf fans coming at me cause the narratives of their fetish don't align with irl gender theory
For real for real though, I genuinely do hope you don't use that as an excuse to force a narrative about Kass accepting feminity Inspite of their discomfort
I don't think you're going in that direction, but I really don't need more transphobic tf fans coming at me cause the narratives of their fetish don't align with irl gender theory
I'm not sure 'embracing' the change is even an option... I don't know where Valsalia is taking this, but to be honest unless Kass was a trans woman before and never realised, just deciding he's a woman because of his physical appearance isn't something he can do, or anyone can do. If thinking 'Well, my body doesn't match with my mind, but I'll just accept it' was something that was possible to achieve, dysphoria might not even exist, and transsexuality would be totally different to what it is.
Unless there's been mental changes as a result of the magic goo stone, Kass IS a man, no matter on what his body is. That would make him a transman ever since he got transformed, and having a cisgender character have to struggles with dysmorphia is a really interesting idea. I think him accepting he is a woman and just dealing with it would be a cop out and would lessen the emotional impact of his character. And from this page, it does look to me like he's a transman. He says his female body is 'an embarrassing situation' and that he tries to act like a man and push away thoughts of his body, but when he does think about it it's a 'gaping black pit'. Sounds a lot like he's still a he to me.
I was very excited to find this comic, because a lot of transformation comics (especially gender transformation ones) have their characters simply accept or enjoy their changes without any critical analysis of how that would actually affect a person. I mean sure, a lot of gender tf stories are written with the idea that the character was trans all along, and that their transformation really is what they want, but afair we have been shown little to indicate that's the case with Kass. He's been struggling with his transformation since day 1, and having him accept the gender part of it doesn't sit right with me. At least, that's just my opinion/reading of the story.
Unless there's been mental changes as a result of the magic goo stone, Kass IS a man, no matter on what his body is. That would make him a transman ever since he got transformed, and having a cisgender character have to struggles with dysmorphia is a really interesting idea. I think him accepting he is a woman and just dealing with it would be a cop out and would lessen the emotional impact of his character. And from this page, it does look to me like he's a transman. He says his female body is 'an embarrassing situation' and that he tries to act like a man and push away thoughts of his body, but when he does think about it it's a 'gaping black pit'. Sounds a lot like he's still a he to me.
I was very excited to find this comic, because a lot of transformation comics (especially gender transformation ones) have their characters simply accept or enjoy their changes without any critical analysis of how that would actually affect a person. I mean sure, a lot of gender tf stories are written with the idea that the character was trans all along, and that their transformation really is what they want, but afair we have been shown little to indicate that's the case with Kass. He's been struggling with his transformation since day 1, and having him accept the gender part of it doesn't sit right with me. At least, that's just my opinion/reading of the story.
I do get what you mean but there is a difference here. Unlike a trans person, Kass is a fully functioning woman, that includes all the hormones and feelings that come with it. That is a big difference because Trans people IRL do not experience that, no matter how many operations or hormone treatments they get.
If we had the technology for people to completely change sex, like right down to the genetic level with fully functioning reproductive organs, the whole Trans thing would not even be an issue because they would fully become the gender they desired to be in every sense of the word.
We know creatures in nature that can actually change sex so it IS possible but science isn't there yet.
If we had the technology for people to completely change sex, like right down to the genetic level with fully functioning reproductive organs, the whole Trans thing would not even be an issue because they would fully become the gender they desired to be in every sense of the word.
We know creatures in nature that can actually change sex so it IS possible but science isn't there yet.
I get you as well, but that's still assuming that merely having a fully female body would be enough to make Kass want to stay like that, or even that just having female hormones and the like would be enough to make him feel fine as a woman (and a yinglet). I just feel like it would be off to tell a story where someone finds them self in an alien body and then just learns to be happy with it, especially now that this page shows Kass still feels like a man in his head. If that were to happen, I think I'd end up reading it an an almost anti-transsexual way, where the message is 'Oh, your body is alien and your gender is wrong? Get used to it lol, don't worry the natural hormones will help'. I don't believe that is the message here, or that anything like that is even intended, but I've read stories in the past which ended that way and that was always the way I read it then.
If I were in Kass' situation, all I would want to do would be to return to the body I wanted and was comfortable with, that of a human man, and if that is Kass' end goal then I think it would work well as a trans allegory. After all, trans people irl work very hard to get the body/gender they want, and with Kass I hope to see something like that (although perhaps with less top surgery and more magic rocks). All up to interpretation though, and I don't have the time to reread this comic to work out a more grounded idea of what's going to happen.
If I were in Kass' situation, all I would want to do would be to return to the body I wanted and was comfortable with, that of a human man, and if that is Kass' end goal then I think it would work well as a trans allegory. After all, trans people irl work very hard to get the body/gender they want, and with Kass I hope to see something like that (although perhaps with less top surgery and more magic rocks). All up to interpretation though, and I don't have the time to reread this comic to work out a more grounded idea of what's going to happen.
Malinter, pull your head out of your ass; Kass's assigned sex has no bearing on whether they prefer to identify as male or female
The idea that them being biologically female bars them from transitioning to a preferred identity completely disregards the experiences of trans men
The idea that them being biologically female bars them from transitioning to a preferred identity completely disregards the experiences of trans men
Yes it does! A trans person does not have a "true" feeling what being the other gender truely is. They only "feel" like the other gender. Thats like me (as a man) saying I know what period pain or giving birth feels like because I can imagine it. Any real woman who has experienced both would probably laugh and promptly plant my face into the ground.
Kass would struggle more to maintain their male identity here because if the transformation is "complete" so to speak, were not just talking a speicies and a gender switch here, were talking literal rewiring of the brain. That will have a big impact on Kass' judgement of things because in inclines them to respond to situations as a woman by default because that is how his/her new body is wired.
Basically the transformation has CAUSED body dysmorphia.
Kass would struggle more to maintain their male identity here because if the transformation is "complete" so to speak, were not just talking a speicies and a gender switch here, were talking literal rewiring of the brain. That will have a big impact on Kass' judgement of things because in inclines them to respond to situations as a woman by default because that is how his/her new body is wired.
Basically the transformation has CAUSED body dysmorphia.
thanks Malinter
I was worried that I'd have to explain how what you were saying was wrong, ignorant of the differences between sex and gender, and low key transphobic
but now that you've just straight up outed yourself as someone who doesn't know jack shit about what they're talking about, I feel a lot more comfortable just cutting things off here
I was worried that I'd have to explain how what you were saying was wrong, ignorant of the differences between sex and gender, and low key transphobic
but now that you've just straight up outed yourself as someone who doesn't know jack shit about what they're talking about, I feel a lot more comfortable just cutting things off here
Well you can lie to yourself and run if you want but that is a fact, you cannot be something you are not. You just can't.
Just as you and I can't be each other. we can't be a difference species, a different gender. Can we imagine? Sure? but it will never match up with the real thing. Reality does not work that way.
I sympathize for people with body dismorphia, I really do, but as far as treatment goes. They should learn to live with the body they have, not be pushed further into dysmorphia with drugs and mutilative surgeries by people who are only in it for either money or to push others into making the same mistakes they have.
Just as you and I can't be each other. we can't be a difference species, a different gender. Can we imagine? Sure? but it will never match up with the real thing. Reality does not work that way.
I sympathize for people with body dismorphia, I really do, but as far as treatment goes. They should learn to live with the body they have, not be pushed further into dysmorphia with drugs and mutilative surgeries by people who are only in it for either money or to push others into making the same mistakes they have.
Wow
I said I was gonna cut things off but just...wow
I'd offer you a shovel, but you're doing better than I could have ever imagined
Before you keep venting that big galaxy transphobe brain, please just go watch a few videos explaining gender theory
Because you seriously do not understand what you're ranting about
You fundamentally do not get our position or why we do what we do
I said I was gonna cut things off but just...wow
I'd offer you a shovel, but you're doing better than I could have ever imagined
Before you keep venting that big galaxy transphobe brain, please just go watch a few videos explaining gender theory
Because you seriously do not understand what you're ranting about
You fundamentally do not get our position or why we do what we do
wah, wah "ist" and "phobe" is what people say when they can't argue their point.
And "Gender Theory" is just an insidious lie because it only tells half the truth. They never tell these poor souls the down lies of transitioning and what it can do. I've seen the vile nature of the trans community turn on those who have doubts or regets.
If the trans community were actually more honest about the good and the bad aspects of transitioning (and perhaps spoke out on those weirdos pushing on to CHILDREN) then maybe folk would have more respect for you and yours.
Though by all means live in your little fantasy bubble if you must. Reality will hit you sooner or later.
And "Gender Theory" is just an insidious lie because it only tells half the truth. They never tell these poor souls the down lies of transitioning and what it can do. I've seen the vile nature of the trans community turn on those who have doubts or regets.
If the trans community were actually more honest about the good and the bad aspects of transitioning (and perhaps spoke out on those weirdos pushing on to CHILDREN) then maybe folk would have more respect for you and yours.
Though by all means live in your little fantasy bubble if you must. Reality will hit you sooner or later.
Wow, you've gone full mask off haven't ya, you lil turd?
I'm just loving the sympathy that's rolling off of you for us poor folks with 'gender dysmorphia'
Oops, I meant 'body dysmorphia' would be a shame if you demonstrated any understanding at all about what we feel, wouldn't it?
Totally wouldn't expose your bs as a dog whistle for thinking we're child groomers at all
Gonna add in anything about how you think we're paedophiles and rapists too?
Go on, let it all out, let everyone see what goes on in that collapsed rectum you call a brain
I'm just loving the sympathy that's rolling off of you for us poor folks with 'gender dysmorphia'
Oops, I meant 'body dysmorphia' would be a shame if you demonstrated any understanding at all about what we feel, wouldn't it?
Totally wouldn't expose your bs as a dog whistle for thinking we're child groomers at all
Gonna add in anything about how you think we're paedophiles and rapists too?
Go on, let it all out, let everyone see what goes on in that collapsed rectum you call a brain
This os what I mean. you've immediately resorted to insults as a defence rather than argue my points.
Also if you actually what I said, I pointed out that the Trans community "should call out those forcing it on children" because these bad actors have been allowed to infiltrate the movement but they are too afraid to call these freaks out out of fear of being branded TERF or whatever. There are groups within the other branches of the LGB groups actually debating removing the T & Q from LGBTQ because of the harm these people are doing to the whole cause.
Body Dysmorphia is real, but it rarely occurs alone. Most tend to have anxiety, depression, panic attacks, mood swings and to top that off, could also be on the spectrum.
Because of this, not everyone with dysmorphia is necessarily "trans" and may be confused due to a combination of the onset of puberty combined with thier other problems.
The issue here is, thanks to the internet, in this venerable state they might have a dozen people say "hey, maybe your trans" and they will fixate on that. They will think transitioning will solve ALL their other problems and lead them down a death spirial once they release it won't an alll they have to show for it are surgical scars and probably medical debt for the rest of their life.
This is probably why the suicide rate amongst trans people has remained about the same over the years despite the increased support and acceptance for them in Western countries being higher than its ever been... even if it is starting to go to extremes in some places
Call me out if any of what i have said is wrong. Its all true even if it does come across as sounding like i'm twisting a knife in your back.
For the record I never had a mask on to begin with, if anything it is you wearing a blindfold. There are legitimate problems with transitioning but people are not warned of these dangers (or lied to and told it is reversable. it is not.) If the trans-community do not start calling that stuff out, it won't be long before "transitioning" is mentioned in the same sentence as "Lobotomy" (folks were singing the praises for that back in its day till they released how immoral it was) and people step in to flat out make it illegal.
Give it 10-20 years and watch this whole movement just crash into the ground as those who were lied to and coerced into transitioning before puberty start sueing their parents and doctors.
Also if you actually what I said, I pointed out that the Trans community "should call out those forcing it on children" because these bad actors have been allowed to infiltrate the movement but they are too afraid to call these freaks out out of fear of being branded TERF or whatever. There are groups within the other branches of the LGB groups actually debating removing the T & Q from LGBTQ because of the harm these people are doing to the whole cause.
Body Dysmorphia is real, but it rarely occurs alone. Most tend to have anxiety, depression, panic attacks, mood swings and to top that off, could also be on the spectrum.
Because of this, not everyone with dysmorphia is necessarily "trans" and may be confused due to a combination of the onset of puberty combined with thier other problems.
The issue here is, thanks to the internet, in this venerable state they might have a dozen people say "hey, maybe your trans" and they will fixate on that. They will think transitioning will solve ALL their other problems and lead them down a death spirial once they release it won't an alll they have to show for it are surgical scars and probably medical debt for the rest of their life.
This is probably why the suicide rate amongst trans people has remained about the same over the years despite the increased support and acceptance for them in Western countries being higher than its ever been... even if it is starting to go to extremes in some places
Call me out if any of what i have said is wrong. Its all true even if it does come across as sounding like i'm twisting a knife in your back.
For the record I never had a mask on to begin with, if anything it is you wearing a blindfold. There are legitimate problems with transitioning but people are not warned of these dangers (or lied to and told it is reversable. it is not.) If the trans-community do not start calling that stuff out, it won't be long before "transitioning" is mentioned in the same sentence as "Lobotomy" (folks were singing the praises for that back in its day till they released how immoral it was) and people step in to flat out make it illegal.
Give it 10-20 years and watch this whole movement just crash into the ground as those who were lied to and coerced into transitioning before puberty start sueing their parents and doctors.
Of course Im not arguing with you, doofus
Why the hell would I when you're doing such a good job of painting yourself as an bigoty idiot.
Like, if you're not even prepared to look up basic ass gender theory to understand how trans people even contextualise themselves against cis men and cis women,
why the hell would I waste time legitemising your nonsense discussing the infentessemal strawman issue of detransitioning?
Especially when I can have a lot more fun laughing at your dumb ass for making a fool of yourself in public
Why the hell would I when you're doing such a good job of painting yourself as an bigoty idiot.
Like, if you're not even prepared to look up basic ass gender theory to understand how trans people even contextualise themselves against cis men and cis women,
why the hell would I waste time legitemising your nonsense discussing the infentessemal strawman issue of detransitioning?
Especially when I can have a lot more fun laughing at your dumb ass for making a fool of yourself in public
Its not a strawman argument if cases of people detransitioning actually exist and whenever they try to warn others about it, you get some other trans person going "well it worked for me, hur hur" and being a complete narcissist rather than show even the slightest hint of sympathy.
Also getting "public opinion" on my side is not that difficult. I don't need to slander transpeople at all to do it. I can just show them the articles on doctors and schools trying to transition kids without consulting parents, trans people supporting children visiting drag queens, that one time they made a song in support of trans people and didn't even do a criminal records check only to find they had actual sex offenders in their music video singing "we are coming for your kids..."
At this point I don't know if its just sheer stupidity from the activists or if people are just genuinely trying to sabotage the whole thing from within.
Anyway. I'll end my peace here. You can have the last world if you want but i promise i won't reply afterwards. i don't hate Trans people, i just don't want them to make a mistake they will regret for the rest if their lives.
(Still not using their pronouns tho. If you still look like a man or a woman afer you transition. blame your surgeon, not me. I say what I see.)
Also getting "public opinion" on my side is not that difficult. I don't need to slander transpeople at all to do it. I can just show them the articles on doctors and schools trying to transition kids without consulting parents, trans people supporting children visiting drag queens, that one time they made a song in support of trans people and didn't even do a criminal records check only to find they had actual sex offenders in their music video singing "we are coming for your kids..."
At this point I don't know if its just sheer stupidity from the activists or if people are just genuinely trying to sabotage the whole thing from within.
Anyway. I'll end my peace here. You can have the last world if you want but i promise i won't reply afterwards. i don't hate Trans people, i just don't want them to make a mistake they will regret for the rest if their lives.
(Still not using their pronouns tho. If you still look like a man or a woman afer you transition. blame your surgeon, not me. I say what I see.)
oh you poor baby, giving up on your crusade already?
was I too mean for you?
since you're throwing in the towel, I'll happily throw in my last words;
pretty hecking happy to cap off your pathetic bullshit honestly
what you were spouting IS a straw man argument if the extremely low number of cases of people de-transitioning in the manner you're 'discussing' weren't vastly VASTLY outweighed by not only the experiences of people like myself who have found their transition to be fundamentally positive and constructive but also because of how amazingly outweighed they are by the experiences of people who have actually had to de-transition, but because they felt that there was no escape
specifically no escape from people like you, or parents spouting similar shit who are out to hurt them for daring to step out of line.
people who have had to put their lives on hold because people like you undermine and bully us because you watched one fucking documentary and now attack us because you heard a small handful of stories about the most fringe of fringe experiences.
you tar us with one brush because of the experiences of an infinitesimally small group of people that we out number by millions and millions to one.
how would you like it if I treated cis men such as you like that?
what if I treated you all universally like rapists and pedophiles to a tee because of just a small number of 'bad actors'?
it'd be pretty fucking shitty and presumptuous of me wouldn't it?
but yeah, nah; we should all listen to idiots like you; morons who think they're sucking on redpills and know the TRUTH, but still won't do the most basic of basic ass research about what we're actually like, or what we actually think, or even how we hecking define ourselves
it's only natural that you're the only one who actually knows anything about us isn't it?
not that it matters, truth is that you just hate us; all this bullshit about us grooming kids or hurting our own at the end of the day really can just be dismissed as dog whistles and white lies on your part
it's all just a fog for you to hide behind so you don't feel attacked for hating and attacking us for daring to exist anywhere near you
quit feigning sympathy or empathy for us; you hate us and that is literally all there is to it
you are a fucking transphobe
and I do not need to legitimize your bullshit
was I too mean for you?
since you're throwing in the towel, I'll happily throw in my last words;
pretty hecking happy to cap off your pathetic bullshit honestly
what you were spouting IS a straw man argument if the extremely low number of cases of people de-transitioning in the manner you're 'discussing' weren't vastly VASTLY outweighed by not only the experiences of people like myself who have found their transition to be fundamentally positive and constructive but also because of how amazingly outweighed they are by the experiences of people who have actually had to de-transition, but because they felt that there was no escape
specifically no escape from people like you, or parents spouting similar shit who are out to hurt them for daring to step out of line.
people who have had to put their lives on hold because people like you undermine and bully us because you watched one fucking documentary and now attack us because you heard a small handful of stories about the most fringe of fringe experiences.
you tar us with one brush because of the experiences of an infinitesimally small group of people that we out number by millions and millions to one.
how would you like it if I treated cis men such as you like that?
what if I treated you all universally like rapists and pedophiles to a tee because of just a small number of 'bad actors'?
it'd be pretty fucking shitty and presumptuous of me wouldn't it?
but yeah, nah; we should all listen to idiots like you; morons who think they're sucking on redpills and know the TRUTH, but still won't do the most basic of basic ass research about what we're actually like, or what we actually think, or even how we hecking define ourselves
it's only natural that you're the only one who actually knows anything about us isn't it?
not that it matters, truth is that you just hate us; all this bullshit about us grooming kids or hurting our own at the end of the day really can just be dismissed as dog whistles and white lies on your part
it's all just a fog for you to hide behind so you don't feel attacked for hating and attacking us for daring to exist anywhere near you
quit feigning sympathy or empathy for us; you hate us and that is literally all there is to it
you are a fucking transphobe
and I do not need to legitimize your bullshit
Hate requires actual effort.
Your also projecting on me. Something I have not done to you.
i have never once accused you of anything.
Also isn't that a rather selfish way of viewing things? You say people who detransition do not matter "because we outnumber them millions to 1". One is one too many. You only care about pushing the narrative and to hell with the consequences.
I know I said I wasn't gonna reply but sikfock here being a sycophant for some reason irritates me more than your entire "transphobe" rant.
Your also projecting on me. Something I have not done to you.
i have never once accused you of anything.
Also isn't that a rather selfish way of viewing things? You say people who detransition do not matter "because we outnumber them millions to 1". One is one too many. You only care about pushing the narrative and to hell with the consequences.
I know I said I wasn't gonna reply but sikfock here being a sycophant for some reason irritates me more than your entire "transphobe" rant.
Make no mistake. I don't hate you, I don't know you that well.
I do pity you for being so willfully ignorant though. And in addition for being so stupid as to broadcast your ignorance as well as to assume things about me.
I don't even happen to be trans myself, I just happen to have known some people who are for for literally decades now.
An extremely tiny number of people detransition. People change their minds. Nothing new about that. The reasons for that are their business, not yours, and as complex as the reasons that people transition in the first place. Transphobic idealogues such as yourself just LOVE to grasp onto that lameass talking point.
The real problem is people like you who decide that it's somehow their business to dictate other people's decisions, particularly when they make it abundantly clear that they have exactly zero grasp of the topic. This actually costs lives.
Transitioning has proved to be the right thing for countless people over decades. It saves lives and pointless misery.
Ignorant people and politics have no business inserting themselves into other people's lives.
It wasn't my "Rant", I just happen to agree with it, and to disagree with yours.
You've dug your own hole. Go learn something ferchrissakes. You've already made your ignorance of the subject more than clear here.
I do pity you for being so willfully ignorant though. And in addition for being so stupid as to broadcast your ignorance as well as to assume things about me.
I don't even happen to be trans myself, I just happen to have known some people who are for for literally decades now.
An extremely tiny number of people detransition. People change their minds. Nothing new about that. The reasons for that are their business, not yours, and as complex as the reasons that people transition in the first place. Transphobic idealogues such as yourself just LOVE to grasp onto that lameass talking point.
The real problem is people like you who decide that it's somehow their business to dictate other people's decisions, particularly when they make it abundantly clear that they have exactly zero grasp of the topic. This actually costs lives.
Transitioning has proved to be the right thing for countless people over decades. It saves lives and pointless misery.
Ignorant people and politics have no business inserting themselves into other people's lives.
It wasn't my "Rant", I just happen to agree with it, and to disagree with yours.
You've dug your own hole. Go learn something ferchrissakes. You've already made your ignorance of the subject more than clear here.
Now THAT is more like it. A structured and reasonable response that actually debates my points. So I've given this whole mess of an arguement some thought so I will clean up some issues.
1. I am bi myself so as far as who goes with who as far as gender roles go is a moot point. Long as both people are concenting and happy. Not my business.
2. I have met and worked with Trans people before. Met one who worked with me as a support worker for caring for vunerable young adults. Very Professional. Looked like a young man but went by a female name and pronouns. This was during the height of the lockdowns so I have no idea if they ever planned to transition or anything or just preferred be addressed that away.
3. In comparison. Any time I see articles on Trans people online is always some bearded attrocity in a dress doing something very questionable and that has coloured my opinion somewhat.
Also the cases of rape happining in All female schools and prisons because the powers that be took their claims of being "Trans" seriously. Its the fact that asshole like this exist why most people are very hesitant to trust Trans people in women's spaces. You can read up on these online if you don't believe me.
4. Transition may help those with dysphoria i n the long term but it does come with health risks.
From what I have read on this from the accounts of detransitioners, Doctors will gloss over these issues, which is no surprise considering the operations can cost over $50,000 a pop in the US. There are also a few nasty details that transitioning from MtF that you don't see in most media, such as the fact that base of pe*** is still inside them, it still gets erect, and it can leak horrendously... how they can "feel like a woman" with that still inside them is geniunely beyond me.
Anypone who advovcates these procedures should be done on children should just not be allowed near children full stop.
Anyway. Those are the reasons why I say what I say. None of it is a lie and I can back it up with proof.
I will say again, I do not hate transpeople, even if some of the s*** they do makes no sense to me (and it never will. Transitioning doesn't make you a "new" person no matter how much they cut away. It is all just a facade. When did just dressing as the gender you wanted stop being enough for people I wonder?)
Anyway this is the end of my own mini-rant (for real this time). Take Care.
1. I am bi myself so as far as who goes with who as far as gender roles go is a moot point. Long as both people are concenting and happy. Not my business.
2. I have met and worked with Trans people before. Met one who worked with me as a support worker for caring for vunerable young adults. Very Professional. Looked like a young man but went by a female name and pronouns. This was during the height of the lockdowns so I have no idea if they ever planned to transition or anything or just preferred be addressed that away.
3. In comparison. Any time I see articles on Trans people online is always some bearded attrocity in a dress doing something very questionable and that has coloured my opinion somewhat.
Also the cases of rape happining in All female schools and prisons because the powers that be took their claims of being "Trans" seriously. Its the fact that asshole like this exist why most people are very hesitant to trust Trans people in women's spaces. You can read up on these online if you don't believe me.
4. Transition may help those with dysphoria i n the long term but it does come with health risks.
From what I have read on this from the accounts of detransitioners, Doctors will gloss over these issues, which is no surprise considering the operations can cost over $50,000 a pop in the US. There are also a few nasty details that transitioning from MtF that you don't see in most media, such as the fact that base of pe*** is still inside them, it still gets erect, and it can leak horrendously... how they can "feel like a woman" with that still inside them is geniunely beyond me.
Anypone who advovcates these procedures should be done on children should just not be allowed near children full stop.
Anyway. Those are the reasons why I say what I say. None of it is a lie and I can back it up with proof.
I will say again, I do not hate transpeople, even if some of the s*** they do makes no sense to me (and it never will. Transitioning doesn't make you a "new" person no matter how much they cut away. It is all just a facade. When did just dressing as the gender you wanted stop being enough for people I wonder?)
Anyway this is the end of my own mini-rant (for real this time). Take Care.
The real problem I see here with your comments is that you seem to be parroting common misinformation, disinformation and straight-up transphobic lies, one after another.
This leads me to think you really need to reassess and more carefully analyze your information sources, because they're clearly BS.
And you're showing here exactly why this type of BS is problematic by spreading it further. This type of crap is what gets trans people bullied and killed, and drives them, particularly the younger ones, to suicide. So it's not just words, it does real harm.
This stuff is also being weaponized by the extreme right wing and homo/transphobes for purely political reasons, and by repeating it you make yourself a tool of these despicable people, even if you don't happen to think you're one of them yourself.
Your being bi would hopefully make you more sympathetic and/or give you some insights into the subtleties of gender, but of course that in itself doesn't give you those things unless you choose to inform yourself more deeply on the subject. That's pretty easy to do these days. There are countless books, articles, blogs, videos, radio shows, etc. by trans and genderqueer people, as well as doctors, psychologists, and scientists for you to inform yourself with.
Your comment number two above leads me to wonder if this person even considered themselves to be trans. Did they tell you that they were? From what you described they might consider themselves trans, or perhaps just not somewhere to one end of a gender binary.
Your comment three just shows the depth of your transphobia. this is a really offensive comment. What you think about your narrow and bigoted perception of some trans person or people you claim to have seen online certainly hardly describes the wide variety of trans people that exist. This really makes me doubt that you've even seen many trans people anywhere. -At least not without viewing them through an extremely biased lens.
"...the cases of rape happining in All female schools and prisons because the powers that be took their claims of being "Trans" seriously. Its the fact that asshole like this exist why most people are very hesitant to trust Trans people in women's spaces."
If this happens at all, the instances would have to be minuscule compared with assaults by men on men, men on trans women, or even women on women. Once again, I'd be EXTREMELY dubious regarding the veracity of your sources. If you've got some sources, send them along, but I'm betting they're propagandistic BS.
Trans women are women. They're not dudes dressing up as women to get access to and rape women. This is just the same line of garbage that bigoted politicians have been using for years to sow fear with anti trans bathroom bans, stupid crap about drag queen story hours, etc. It just doesn't happen. And if it did? We've already got laws about harassment, assault and rape.
Your point number four is, once again, completely ridden with propagandistic lies.
People go through many years of counseling and care from professionals before any surgery or even HRT. Many choose not to undergo these things.
Absolutely zero children are getting surgery. It just doesn't happen. Unlike with circumcision or surgery done on kids born with unconventional genitalia.
For one thing, the costs of malpractice suits are way too high for doctors to risk with something like this. Doctors want to be damn sure they're doing the right thing for their patients, that's what the Hippocratic oath is all about. there's no profit in "Pushing" surgery like that on anyone. It's not done by trans people, parents, or doctors.
Transitioning is the right thing for many people. That's why it's accepted best practice in appropriate cases by every single reputable medical and psychological organization in the country. There are decades of research and practice behind this.
You clearly don't understand transitioning or why people do it. You really need to question your supposed "Proof" regarding these things. It contradicts long accepted facts and practice that have been helpful and lifesaving for countless thousands of people.
This crap is ultimately cynical politics, which have no business inserting themselves between science and people's right to make the right choices for themselves.
Politics and people who show clearly biased and ignorant views such as yourself have no right to dictate anything to anyone.
Once again, the best possible advice I can give you is to inform yourself.
Take care, and best of luck to you as well.
This leads me to think you really need to reassess and more carefully analyze your information sources, because they're clearly BS.
And you're showing here exactly why this type of BS is problematic by spreading it further. This type of crap is what gets trans people bullied and killed, and drives them, particularly the younger ones, to suicide. So it's not just words, it does real harm.
This stuff is also being weaponized by the extreme right wing and homo/transphobes for purely political reasons, and by repeating it you make yourself a tool of these despicable people, even if you don't happen to think you're one of them yourself.
Your being bi would hopefully make you more sympathetic and/or give you some insights into the subtleties of gender, but of course that in itself doesn't give you those things unless you choose to inform yourself more deeply on the subject. That's pretty easy to do these days. There are countless books, articles, blogs, videos, radio shows, etc. by trans and genderqueer people, as well as doctors, psychologists, and scientists for you to inform yourself with.
Your comment number two above leads me to wonder if this person even considered themselves to be trans. Did they tell you that they were? From what you described they might consider themselves trans, or perhaps just not somewhere to one end of a gender binary.
Your comment three just shows the depth of your transphobia. this is a really offensive comment. What you think about your narrow and bigoted perception of some trans person or people you claim to have seen online certainly hardly describes the wide variety of trans people that exist. This really makes me doubt that you've even seen many trans people anywhere. -At least not without viewing them through an extremely biased lens.
"...the cases of rape happining in All female schools and prisons because the powers that be took their claims of being "Trans" seriously. Its the fact that asshole like this exist why most people are very hesitant to trust Trans people in women's spaces."
If this happens at all, the instances would have to be minuscule compared with assaults by men on men, men on trans women, or even women on women. Once again, I'd be EXTREMELY dubious regarding the veracity of your sources. If you've got some sources, send them along, but I'm betting they're propagandistic BS.
Trans women are women. They're not dudes dressing up as women to get access to and rape women. This is just the same line of garbage that bigoted politicians have been using for years to sow fear with anti trans bathroom bans, stupid crap about drag queen story hours, etc. It just doesn't happen. And if it did? We've already got laws about harassment, assault and rape.
Your point number four is, once again, completely ridden with propagandistic lies.
People go through many years of counseling and care from professionals before any surgery or even HRT. Many choose not to undergo these things.
Absolutely zero children are getting surgery. It just doesn't happen. Unlike with circumcision or surgery done on kids born with unconventional genitalia.
For one thing, the costs of malpractice suits are way too high for doctors to risk with something like this. Doctors want to be damn sure they're doing the right thing for their patients, that's what the Hippocratic oath is all about. there's no profit in "Pushing" surgery like that on anyone. It's not done by trans people, parents, or doctors.
Transitioning is the right thing for many people. That's why it's accepted best practice in appropriate cases by every single reputable medical and psychological organization in the country. There are decades of research and practice behind this.
You clearly don't understand transitioning or why people do it. You really need to question your supposed "Proof" regarding these things. It contradicts long accepted facts and practice that have been helpful and lifesaving for countless thousands of people.
This crap is ultimately cynical politics, which have no business inserting themselves between science and people's right to make the right choices for themselves.
Politics and people who show clearly biased and ignorant views such as yourself have no right to dictate anything to anyone.
Once again, the best possible advice I can give you is to inform yourself.
Take care, and best of luck to you as well.
Sadly, I've run into a number of people on this site who've succumbed to this poisonous line of thought.
I find all of the "Trans kids" controversy and grooming crap particularly disturbing.
It's really stunning how people like this just double down on their ignorance and continue to dig themselves a deeper hole.
And sadly, as you've said, it's scarcely worth arguing with such ignorant people. I've found that no amount of facts will change their minds.
I find all of the "Trans kids" controversy and grooming crap particularly disturbing.
It's really stunning how people like this just double down on their ignorance and continue to dig themselves a deeper hole.
And sadly, as you've said, it's scarcely worth arguing with such ignorant people. I've found that no amount of facts will change their minds.
Yeah, hilarious as well as more than a little sad.
Funny how these folks have a way of hanging themselves if you give 'em enough rope.
Kinda reminds me of a "Discussion" I was just having with somebody where the best they could come up with to counter my factual arguments were a couple of deflections from the topic, some conspiracy theories, and to cap it off they dropped some blatant antisemitism, which got their comment deleted.
Even this didn't slow them down, they proceeded to double down with more antisemitic comments and a bit of racism.
Just waiting for those comments to get deleted as well. Perhaps now they'll even earn them a suspension.
Not gonna file a ticket on them myself though, I'd just as soon that the evidence of their bigotry just sit there for everyone to see.
Funny how these folks have a way of hanging themselves if you give 'em enough rope.
Kinda reminds me of a "Discussion" I was just having with somebody where the best they could come up with to counter my factual arguments were a couple of deflections from the topic, some conspiracy theories, and to cap it off they dropped some blatant antisemitism, which got their comment deleted.
Even this didn't slow them down, they proceeded to double down with more antisemitic comments and a bit of racism.
Just waiting for those comments to get deleted as well. Perhaps now they'll even earn them a suspension.
Not gonna file a ticket on them myself though, I'd just as soon that the evidence of their bigotry just sit there for everyone to see.
yeah
for the record, I'm not going to dismiss the value of interacting with people's bad takes; if you CAN talk them out of it, you should always do that
but then in addition to that, there are people who are just too far gone.
I'm told that it is called the Dunning Kruger effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) or something
basically times where people who are active on a topic have so little information to work with or are so misinformed, that they incapable of taking on new info
when you see that, you only have two options
either cut them off via content moderation (which Fa is pathetic at
or play them in a way that makes it very obvious to anyone watching who isn't infected with their ideas, that they are full of bubkis
for the record, I'm not going to dismiss the value of interacting with people's bad takes; if you CAN talk them out of it, you should always do that
but then in addition to that, there are people who are just too far gone.
I'm told that it is called the Dunning Kruger effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) or something
basically times where people who are active on a topic have so little information to work with or are so misinformed, that they incapable of taking on new info
when you see that, you only have two options
either cut them off via content moderation (which Fa is pathetic at
or play them in a way that makes it very obvious to anyone watching who isn't infected with their ideas, that they are full of bubkis
Don't know if you noticed (Or care to notice) my continued interaction with our pal here, but I just got around to replyling to his last comment.
Not being trans myself, any further insight, comments, subtleties, or critique are always welcome on my part.
Not being trans myself, any further insight, comments, subtleties, or critique are always welcome on my part.
Fair.
And true, but I had some points to make.
I almost didn't, but I didn't want to just let that crap sit there unopposed. For others' sake, if not for his.
As I said before, I've dealt with these folks before, and his changing his mind would surprise me, especially the way he just kept digging himself a deeper hole here.
And true, but I had some points to make.
I almost didn't, but I didn't want to just let that crap sit there unopposed. For others' sake, if not for his.
As I said before, I've dealt with these folks before, and his changing his mind would surprise me, especially the way he just kept digging himself a deeper hole here.
I get that, but, like please dont.
He did enough to to disprove his own points by being a rampant bigot.
You don't need to debate him over it.
All that achieves is a shifting of the Overton window to a place where it's okay to discuss whether or not I have a right to exist.
Being right isn't worth that
He did enough to to disprove his own points by being a rampant bigot.
You don't need to debate him over it.
All that achieves is a shifting of the Overton window to a place where it's okay to discuss whether or not I have a right to exist.
Being right isn't worth that
If you want
You can keep ridiculing him if you like, I fully get the catharsis that you can get from that.
Just don't take him seriously
He hasn't earnt the right to be treated with that kind of respect, and unless he ever makes an attempt to understand us, he probably never will
You can keep ridiculing him if you like, I fully get the catharsis that you can get from that.
Just don't take him seriously
He hasn't earnt the right to be treated with that kind of respect, and unless he ever makes an attempt to understand us, he probably never will
Though Kass’ attitude about his gender would also be conditioned by the society he was raised in, and the degree to which it accepts trans people. I mean, even in our society, the notion that a person’s gender is not strictly tied to their physiology was not as widely accepted even ten years ago as it is now.
So part of Kass’ struggle of whether to call himself male or female may be because he never really learned that concept. His journal does mention that his home country of Dinnlan is not as open about gender roles as Val Salia.
There is also the issue of mental changes, since he does show some yinglet instincts. So it may partly stem from the transformation being more than a physical one.
(Honestly, though I should read a few more of these stories to see how it’s handled since I have my own character I’m working on who’s in a similar situation to Kass).
So part of Kass’ struggle of whether to call himself male or female may be because he never really learned that concept. His journal does mention that his home country of Dinnlan is not as open about gender roles as Val Salia.
There is also the issue of mental changes, since he does show some yinglet instincts. So it may partly stem from the transformation being more than a physical one.
(Honestly, though I should read a few more of these stories to see how it’s handled since I have my own character I’m working on who’s in a similar situation to Kass).
I disagree that him accepting the change would be a cop-out. You know what one thing that all transgender people share is? They care about their gender identity. Obviously some, or maybe most cisgender people are strongly attached to their gender identity. But it's not clear to me that all cisgender people do. If there were a significant fraction of the population that just didn't care too much either way about being a boy or a girl, and just followed whatever the path of least resistance was in regards to gender performance, how would we be able to tell?
I don't know if I necessarily agree with this, though I don't outright reject it
I can buy the idea that a gender tf can lead to an individual into reevaluating their self perception late in their lives without prior consideration;
I had that experience myself, denying my transness out of fear for years before eventually finding folks that helped me reframe my thinking to the point where I could tackle it healthily
(hugs for duhad, I know she's around here somewhere)
but even so, I feel that there has to be 'something' there psychologically speaking underneath the pre tf performance of masculinity in order for them to actually perform that reevaluation and abandon their former identity
basically I don't think you can just tf any random individual and expect them to go with the flow and flip flop without a lot of consideration on their part.
It's not a binary persae; I don't think people neatly fit inot 'either/ or' categories, but for every person willing to brave that change, there will be people who would never want to change, even with the level of self examination Kass is doing here, largely due to the sense of safety their assigned identity gives them
thus far Val has done nothing but provide evidence to the contrary when it comes to this; there is little to no evidence so far that Kass feels comfortable as a woman, so I 100% get danbobski when they say that to have the story become about them accepting it wouldn't feel right
I can buy the idea that a gender tf can lead to an individual into reevaluating their self perception late in their lives without prior consideration;
I had that experience myself, denying my transness out of fear for years before eventually finding folks that helped me reframe my thinking to the point where I could tackle it healthily
(hugs for duhad, I know she's around here somewhere)
but even so, I feel that there has to be 'something' there psychologically speaking underneath the pre tf performance of masculinity in order for them to actually perform that reevaluation and abandon their former identity
basically I don't think you can just tf any random individual and expect them to go with the flow and flip flop without a lot of consideration on their part.
It's not a binary persae; I don't think people neatly fit inot 'either/ or' categories, but for every person willing to brave that change, there will be people who would never want to change, even with the level of self examination Kass is doing here, largely due to the sense of safety their assigned identity gives them
thus far Val has done nothing but provide evidence to the contrary when it comes to this; there is little to no evidence so far that Kass feels comfortable as a woman, so I 100% get danbobski when they say that to have the story become about them accepting it wouldn't feel right
You do make a valid point. All the stuff I said only really applies if this is a story about transsexuality, but if it were instead one about Kass becoming/realising he is non-binary/agender/whatever, then the arc concluding he is happy with his body would be ok.
I think if Kass IS cisgender, though, your point doesn't stand. Either he's non-binary/agender/whatever, and he comes to accept the change, or he's cisgender, and is always a man in his head. You see, cisgender ISN'T just 'Not-transgender'. It's specifically where your assigned gender at birth IS the gender you identify with. If Kass is cisgender, and he was assigned male at birth, then he IS a male, whether or not is body is. There are many types of people who would accept fluctuations in their gender, but cis people can't. In fact, I can think of a few examples where cisgender people DID have their gender identity strongly affected, and it ended up poorly. David Reimer is an example of this, and a few serial killers were also abused as children by being forced to dress as girls (among other things, so although it didn't make them serial killers it contributed). Cisgenderism and transgenderism aren't one extreme and one middle ground, they're two extremes which are equivalent in this aspect (By which I mean that being forced to identify as the wrong gender has negative affects on both).
Your point would be better made by saying 'Kass might not care about his gender that strongly because he's non-binary etc. He may not have thought about it before he was transformed because gender is a spectrum, and he's happy with whatever.' If you'd said that, I agree 100%. If this is a story about Kass coming to accept himself as whatever he is, wonderful! That would NOT be a cop out, and it would be a very good story for him. On the other hand, if he IS a cisgender male (As I personally believe after reading his views from this page, but that's just my interpretation) then having him accept his new gender would be bad for all the reasons I said before.
I think if Kass IS cisgender, though, your point doesn't stand. Either he's non-binary/agender/whatever, and he comes to accept the change, or he's cisgender, and is always a man in his head. You see, cisgender ISN'T just 'Not-transgender'. It's specifically where your assigned gender at birth IS the gender you identify with. If Kass is cisgender, and he was assigned male at birth, then he IS a male, whether or not is body is. There are many types of people who would accept fluctuations in their gender, but cis people can't. In fact, I can think of a few examples where cisgender people DID have their gender identity strongly affected, and it ended up poorly. David Reimer is an example of this, and a few serial killers were also abused as children by being forced to dress as girls (among other things, so although it didn't make them serial killers it contributed). Cisgenderism and transgenderism aren't one extreme and one middle ground, they're two extremes which are equivalent in this aspect (By which I mean that being forced to identify as the wrong gender has negative affects on both).
Your point would be better made by saying 'Kass might not care about his gender that strongly because he's non-binary etc. He may not have thought about it before he was transformed because gender is a spectrum, and he's happy with whatever.' If you'd said that, I agree 100%. If this is a story about Kass coming to accept himself as whatever he is, wonderful! That would NOT be a cop out, and it would be a very good story for him. On the other hand, if he IS a cisgender male (As I personally believe after reading his views from this page, but that's just my interpretation) then having him accept his new gender would be bad for all the reasons I said before.
I've been using he/him, since that's what he'd prefer. Even in this page, I get the feeling he's glad his friends still refer to him as "he" unless around people who wouldn't understand.
I think his revelation here will have him come to still prefer to be seen as masculine, but be more aware of how much difference between men and women is social versus natural (which is actually one of the things Viracroix and Ran wanted to find out at the beginning when explaining their interest to Kass). I think he's going to settle with "Yes, I'm a woman, but I'm really more of a 'guy' than a 'girl', so call me 'him'." Maybe years down the line, he'll decide "Eh, 'her' isn't so bad, it's not like one word changes who I am. I'm still the 'guyish' Kass I've always been." and even do things like experiment with males (He's shown at least physiological responses to male interest a couple times, the prospect of the patriarchs approval and Elim shirtless), but who's to say? That's Kass's decision.
I think his revelation here will have him come to still prefer to be seen as masculine, but be more aware of how much difference between men and women is social versus natural (which is actually one of the things Viracroix and Ran wanted to find out at the beginning when explaining their interest to Kass). I think he's going to settle with "Yes, I'm a woman, but I'm really more of a 'guy' than a 'girl', so call me 'him'." Maybe years down the line, he'll decide "Eh, 'her' isn't so bad, it's not like one word changes who I am. I'm still the 'guyish' Kass I've always been." and even do things like experiment with males (He's shown at least physiological responses to male interest a couple times, the prospect of the patriarchs approval and Elim shirtless), but who's to say? That's Kass's decision.
Huh, didn't expect Kass to start to settle into being female. I was thinking of them like a Female to Male trans person. They identify as a male, present, and act masculine in spite of their physical state of femininity. Feeling put off by femme urges or being treated as a female. Especially when they were around other Yinglets.
Kass' transformation includes their brain.
They have yinglet instincts
Kass is pretty sure they would NOT have gushed over a room full of hyper active vomiting yinglet children before their transformation.
Whatever part of your brain that makes you feel and identify as male or makes someone act manly has been altered along with the rest of Kass' body. That is a whole new level of identity crisis.
They have yinglet instincts
Kass is pretty sure they would NOT have gushed over a room full of hyper active vomiting yinglet children before their transformation.
Whatever part of your brain that makes you feel and identify as male or makes someone act manly has been altered along with the rest of Kass' body. That is a whole new level of identity crisis.
This reminds me of an old saying I heard at some point. Basically says that everyone has 3 mask that represent themselves. 1 mask is the mask we show the world, this is how we act when we're around strangers or people we just don't know that well. This mask is how the world at large sees you.
Your second mask is the mask you wear around friends, family, and other people you know and trust. This is how people see you when you get comfortable around them to show them a bit more of yourself.
Your last mask is a mask that you show nobody. It is your true self, who you really are when you are alone and don't have put on airs to fit in or impress anybody. This mask is the purest impression of you.
But what happens when your third mask is damaged or stolen? How does this effect the other mask or will it even effect them at all? If the other masks change because your third mask did then are you really still you, but if your other masks remain the same then did you ever really change? Fun questions to ask yourself at night.
Your second mask is the mask you wear around friends, family, and other people you know and trust. This is how people see you when you get comfortable around them to show them a bit more of yourself.
Your last mask is a mask that you show nobody. It is your true self, who you really are when you are alone and don't have put on airs to fit in or impress anybody. This mask is the purest impression of you.
But what happens when your third mask is damaged or stolen? How does this effect the other mask or will it even effect them at all? If the other masks change because your third mask did then are you really still you, but if your other masks remain the same then did you ever really change? Fun questions to ask yourself at night.
Kass, I think you have not fully understood what a yinglet female is. From my understanding they are in fact the more collected and controlled ones, who are smarter and more assertive.
... although my view might be colored by the local yinglet leader, it is possible she is an outlier.
... although my view might be colored by the local yinglet leader, it is possible she is an outlier.
I love the art and the humor and the worldbuilding of this comic, but pages like this make me want to sit down and write a novel about it. Deep, introspective, philosophical. Kass, at the same time, is deeply aware but deeply uncertain. It's like rubbing a fleece blanket on my feelings.
"Tit-haver" reminds me of that Tumblr post about disembodied boobs scurrying about on the roof after somebody mentioned the ways men sometimes write about beasts. The mental image of Kass in a yinglet-style farmer outfit throwing out feed to the tits just now came to mind. Maybe that or having a pair of little boobs on a leash out for a walk... I'm sorry; I might be a tad insane.
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I've noticed that you can sometimes even get in extra votes from different IP addresses, or if you're disconnected from your IP and open up again later.
Oops closed out last month at I think 56th place and around 900 votes. It's currently at 943 votes and 45th place and today is the last day to vote for this month (Duh). The top vote getters seem to end up with something close to 20,000 votes.
Vote early, vote often! Help OOPs get noticed!
Val, this is the shit.
You continue to take TGTF to new levels of complexity. It's so refreshing to see someone go beyond the obvious gags and tropes to delve deeper into the possibilities inherent in the genre.
The discussion you've spurred here alone is just wonderful.
You continue to take TGTF to new levels of complexity. It's so refreshing to see someone go beyond the obvious gags and tropes to delve deeper into the possibilities inherent in the genre.
The discussion you've spurred here alone is just wonderful.
I know this is kind of weird, but at the bottom there where Kass is talking about a 'black hole' where his sense of identity should be, I am far more familiar with that feeling than anyone would want to be. Perhaps this is a symptom of mental illness, or something that might become a mental illness unless it is resolved, I don't know, but for me, figuring out how to fin into this world and this society has always felt just like this. A big and very scary black hole.
I feel for everyone who has to deal with anxiety, depression and other medntal illnesses and disorders. I never imagined I would be a victim of these problems. To anyone who feels liek this, please find someone who is close to you, who you trust, and talk with them, even if all you do is talk. Because something as simple as that can stop a frustrating personality quirk from becoming a crippling mental disorder.
Sorry, didn't mean for this comment to become about that, it just sort of happened. Very impressed that you touched on this subject, Valsalia.
I feel for everyone who has to deal with anxiety, depression and other medntal illnesses and disorders. I never imagined I would be a victim of these problems. To anyone who feels liek this, please find someone who is close to you, who you trust, and talk with them, even if all you do is talk. Because something as simple as that can stop a frustrating personality quirk from becoming a crippling mental disorder.
Sorry, didn't mean for this comment to become about that, it just sort of happened. Very impressed that you touched on this subject, Valsalia.
I find it really neat how even Kass is unsure what his gender is. While reading the comic as it’s been going on, I’ve been unsure wether Kass was trans, or how Kass saw himself. So it’s cool to see that being addressed in story as Kass ALSO being rather taken aback. (I hope I’m not getting pronouns wrong here)
I can imagine Kass just taking out a page out of nowhere and writting all that journal exactly the next second after the lady call Kass a girl in Out-Of-Places #202 and finish and hidding this in a instant before the events of Out-Of-Placers #203.
Kass, the fastest Yinglet writter ever.
Kass, the fastest Yinglet writter ever.
I remember way back when on page #64 when I left this comment. I disagree with that statement now. I failed to realize how easy it would be to overlook a simple gender identification when you are something else entirely where gender hardly becomes apparent at first, which is exacly how things went down when Kass initially transformed.
This has been a tough topic to approach, because transgenders and the like are not things I've put much thought to. While gender and sex can simply feel like just labels, science can state that your gender is determined by your reproductive organs. To have those switched it seems easy to think, "I'm the opposite sex now," but mentally I can imgaine it feeling plain wrong. Would thinking of yourself male be denying your female body? Because you can acknowledge you have female body parts but to be adimant that your male feels like lying to one's self. If you wish you were male or you want to be male, I would totally understand that, but to pretend you are when you clearly aren't seems like a disorder.
I'm probably being really offensive right now and have no idea, but like I said, it's not something I normally engage in conversation about.
No matter, in some way I feel like Kass is allowed to believe himself male despite physical appearance. For him to fully believe he's female, it would be like he's existed as two different people: Kass the male human and Kass the female yinglet. I guess this would be a cisgender moment. I don't know, man. I don't feel qualified to tackel this topic.
Sometimes it feels so simple though. Just believe what you want to believe, dude. Don't let anyone tell you different.
This has been a tough topic to approach, because transgenders and the like are not things I've put much thought to. While gender and sex can simply feel like just labels, science can state that your gender is determined by your reproductive organs. To have those switched it seems easy to think, "I'm the opposite sex now," but mentally I can imgaine it feeling plain wrong. Would thinking of yourself male be denying your female body? Because you can acknowledge you have female body parts but to be adimant that your male feels like lying to one's self. If you wish you were male or you want to be male, I would totally understand that, but to pretend you are when you clearly aren't seems like a disorder.
I'm probably being really offensive right now and have no idea, but like I said, it's not something I normally engage in conversation about.
No matter, in some way I feel like Kass is allowed to believe himself male despite physical appearance. For him to fully believe he's female, it would be like he's existed as two different people: Kass the male human and Kass the female yinglet. I guess this would be a cisgender moment. I don't know, man. I don't feel qualified to tackel this topic.
Sometimes it feels so simple though. Just believe what you want to believe, dude. Don't let anyone tell you different.
Haha nawww, no offensiveness here! Not only is Kass not a realistic, current-era, human transgender person, but became what they are due to a realistically impossible circumstance, and *also* is now a member of an entirely different species, with its own set of brain chemistry weirdness. On one hand there's a lot of similarities and conclusions that can be made about both, but also the current Kass is the result of a particularly unique set of circumstances, which really should be taken on their own, rather than compared to real-life ones in all cases.
And this is why I love your comic. Most other comics I've seen dealing with gender transformation treat it as either a sexual fetish or a source of bad jokes (mostly involving the guy-turned-woman acting as much like a stereotype as possible), and they really don't seem to acknowledge just how traumatic such a change can be. Besides having new, unfamiliar hormones and anatomy that works quite different (many guys would probably be traumatized by their first period), you've also got to deal with people treating you different based on your new gender, as well as possibly having the wrong soul for your current body. And then there's the species change, which only adds to the confusion and angst since you're no longer the same creature you were before.
And you handle it very well in these comics. Yeah, there's still jokes about it, but it's still pretty difficult for Kassan to handle his/her new life. You do a good job of portraying just how hard this hits him/her, and how he/she is going about trying to adapt. And it does make sense that he might've ignored the gender change until a singular moment that brought it roaring back to the surface. Like a volcanic eruption, except there's angst instead of lava getting spewed everywhere.
Wish more comics were like yours. A lot of stuff could make for some interesting and wonderful stories if people were only willing and able to take the risks necessary. I hope more like these continue to pop up in the future. It appeals to the part of me that got into the fandom for interesting, non-human characters with unique cultures and biology. For some of us, you can only have so many elves before you get bored of them. =P Rather have the werewolves and weird ratbirds instead. Just more to my tastes, y'know?
And you handle it very well in these comics. Yeah, there's still jokes about it, but it's still pretty difficult for Kassan to handle his/her new life. You do a good job of portraying just how hard this hits him/her, and how he/she is going about trying to adapt. And it does make sense that he might've ignored the gender change until a singular moment that brought it roaring back to the surface. Like a volcanic eruption, except there's angst instead of lava getting spewed everywhere.
Wish more comics were like yours. A lot of stuff could make for some interesting and wonderful stories if people were only willing and able to take the risks necessary. I hope more like these continue to pop up in the future. It appeals to the part of me that got into the fandom for interesting, non-human characters with unique cultures and biology. For some of us, you can only have so many elves before you get bored of them. =P Rather have the werewolves and weird ratbirds instead. Just more to my tastes, y'know?
... this. I need to thank you for the detail you've spent on the whole situation Kass is going through. so many comics trivialize the fact that a character has changed genders or simply celebrated it. I love that this is a situation where he's struggled so much with the situation and even neglected a fundamental truth of the situation.
He; is now She. a truth ignored in the face of every other part of the situation. not unnoticed but in the overwhelming completeness of alien biology a sudden "OH SHIT! I AM in fact a Female now!"
He; is now She. a truth ignored in the face of every other part of the situation. not unnoticed but in the overwhelming completeness of alien biology a sudden "OH SHIT! I AM in fact a Female now!"
IF they mention it at all... ok look some characters will be ok with it. or be happy about it... but most people in a situation where they are changed by a sudden random event beyond their control are. going. to. FREAK.
grace under pressure can take you a certain distance, but I know. those quiet moments alone. those revelations. every now and thing life slugs you like a sack of bricks. rips the wind from your lungs and leaves you needing a seat and to think, to process.
you've done an amazing job with this entire comic. I've been reading from about the start but I saw this page and the one before in an unrelated search and realized I never said anything about it.
thanks for this work you've been producing.
grace under pressure can take you a certain distance, but I know. those quiet moments alone. those revelations. every now and thing life slugs you like a sack of bricks. rips the wind from your lungs and leaves you needing a seat and to think, to process.
you've done an amazing job with this entire comic. I've been reading from about the start but I saw this page and the one before in an unrelated search and realized I never said anything about it.
thanks for this work you've been producing.
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