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Hunger rules the predator and fear drives the prey -- but change is coming.
Here we go, guys! Volume Two picks up right where Oren’s Forge Volume One leaves off. I’m going to post a couple pages the first few weeks, then return to one page every Monday.
When animals considered to be "prey" by the apex predators of the world begin to band together for safety, where does it leave those caught in between?
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My expectation is that it is probably similar to real-world dietary rules: the carnivores (or at least most of them) can eat some fruits and vegetables, but the ones they can are specific and too seasonal to survive off of naturally.
Not to mention this seems to be a pre-agriculture society right as they transition to an agricultural one., so most of what we think of as fruits and vegetables wouldn't exist anywhere near the way they do for us. That was the result of an incredible amount of human work.
Which is all to say that there is probably a stable point that can be reached with great effort where even larger carnivores don't have to kill. But they are not there. Not yet.
Not to mention this seems to be a pre-agriculture society right as they transition to an agricultural one., so most of what we think of as fruits and vegetables wouldn't exist anywhere near the way they do for us. That was the result of an incredible amount of human work.
Which is all to say that there is probably a stable point that can be reached with great effort where even larger carnivores don't have to kill. But they are not there. Not yet.
Well, I'm sort of also assuming that or possibly that even the felines can do it here, but until 
blackteagan rules on it officially, it's just conjuncture. For all we know it could be a world similar to the Kevin and Kell, Doc Rat, or Suburban Jungle where it's pretty much obligatory for the predators.
Well, yes. Mostly I was thinking in terms of Rask, since one concern with him was what he'd eat once the winter came. A real world pine marten could eat whatever Stonehollow has stored. It'd also mean that, eventually, this will allow some kind of peace to work out without anyone going hungry.
blackteagan rules on it officially, it's just conjuncture. For all we know it could be a world similar to the Kevin and Kell, Doc Rat, or Suburban Jungle where it's pretty much obligatory for the predators.Well, yes. Mostly I was thinking in terms of Rask, since one concern with him was what he'd eat once the winter came. A real world pine marten could eat whatever Stonehollow has stored. It'd also mean that, eventually, this will allow some kind of peace to work out without anyone going hungry.
It is concurrent or shortly after. The bison skull should act as a clue-- it takes wild carrion beetles somewhere between a few days and a couple weeks to clean a skull, and that bison died at the start of the first volume.
While wolves are technically not obligate predators, I don't think you could amass enough wild fruit and edible vegetation to keep a wolf healthy for very long, especially not an anthropomorphic one with a higher caloric need.
While wolves are technically not obligate predators, I don't think you could amass enough wild fruit and edible vegetation to keep a wolf healthy for very long, especially not an anthropomorphic one with a higher caloric need.
Hell, it's difficult for humans to amass enough wild fruit and edible vegetation to stay healthy. And we're significantly more omnivorous than wolves, as we have higher tolerances for a lot of somewhat-poisonous substances.
It's probably theoretically possible with enough extra hands that don't have to work as hard to stay fed, but it would be hellishly difficult and unstable.
It's probably theoretically possible with enough extra hands that don't have to work as hard to stay fed, but it would be hellishly difficult and unstable.
I can easily imagine that eventually the folks here will have higher tolerances, especially the prey. I would not put it above Hemlock to eat enough poison so that any predator that eats her ends up dead shortly thereafter.
Stonehollow probably could do this. I suspect that the other places that the herbivores have gathered have started some form of agriculture. Maize was domesticated only 9,000 years ago or so, but with beans and squash could form a fairly stable food source. The main issue, as blackteagan pointed out, is that wolves would need a lot more than they do. On the other side, if they start doing the Three Sisters crops, they might be able to better supplement their diets.
Stonehollow probably could do this. I suspect that the other places that the herbivores have gathered have started some form of agriculture. Maize was domesticated only 9,000 years ago or so, but with beans and squash could form a fairly stable food source. The main issue, as
blackteagan pointed out, is that wolves would need a lot more than they do. On the other side, if they start doing the Three Sisters crops, they might be able to better supplement their diets.
Thanks! Well, I wasn't sure it was from the same bison or not!
Certainly not at the time period this is set. My main worry was that they couldn't at all (which happens in some furry worlds). Plus, with them being anthros, they might not align exactly with the wolves of our world in terms of dietary needs.
I'm really grateful for you answering!
Certainly not at the time period this is set. My main worry was that they couldn't at all (which happens in some furry worlds). Plus, with them being anthros, they might not align exactly with the wolves of our world in terms of dietary needs.
I'm really grateful for you answering!
But then what constitutes intent? Is a bee hive unnatural because the bees intend to make it?
Or do we say anything that occurs within the constraints of the laws of physics is natural?
If not that, then where is the diving line between something being instinctual and thus "natural" and deliberate intent and thus "unnatural"?
Things to ponder. Much like the question of how many angels can fit on the head of a pin there probably isn't a real answer that's not based on opinion originated axioms and self referential circular definitions.
Or do we say anything that occurs within the constraints of the laws of physics is natural?
If not that, then where is the diving line between something being instinctual and thus "natural" and deliberate intent and thus "unnatural"?
Things to ponder. Much like the question of how many angels can fit on the head of a pin there probably isn't a real answer that's not based on opinion originated axioms and self referential circular definitions.
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