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My fursona changes a lot, but I've decided on a final design. Keeping his zebra look, just chucking a doofy nose on him.
This is part of my ongoing "Moving away from the brony fandom because for the last decade I've just plain encountered way too many horrible and hateful people in this fandom and I wanna go back to the furry fandom where people had always been much more friendly to me" situation.
Obviously I'm still doing brony art cause I still love the show, but I'm no longer going to consider myself a brony artist. I've formed friendships with dozens of brony artists over the last 11 years and I have remained friends with an entirety of two (Hey guys! Love you two!) while having unbelievably toxic and horribly dramatic experiences with the rest, while friends I made via my furry art are still my closest friends 16 years later.
Brony artists have, way too often, been people who act inhuman. They've pushed me away, used me for popularity gains, stolen my ideas and screamed at me when I called them out, ghosted me, yelled at me, accused me of felonies, refused to allow me to apologize for slip-ups, attacked me and my fanbase, doxxed me (Yes, three times, three different artists), hacked my e-mail accounts (I'm not joking), forced me to delete posts where I say I'm friends with them, forced me to pretend we don't know each other, gotten in violent arguments with me over my art style or anatomy, used "I'll stop being your friend if you don't do what I say" as a manipulative argument tactic, and blown up at me when I had a bad day and wanted to vent to them. Among many, many other things.
I feel like the reddest flag should have been the well-known brony artist who said "I hope his mom fucking dies," when my mother was in the hospital and I was raising funds in case she needed surgery, and got tons of his fans replying in agreement. Honestly should'a distanced myself from the fandom then.
Anyway here's my fursona as a zoof!
This is part of my ongoing "Moving away from the brony fandom because for the last decade I've just plain encountered way too many horrible and hateful people in this fandom and I wanna go back to the furry fandom where people had always been much more friendly to me" situation.
Obviously I'm still doing brony art cause I still love the show, but I'm no longer going to consider myself a brony artist. I've formed friendships with dozens of brony artists over the last 11 years and I have remained friends with an entirety of two (Hey guys! Love you two!) while having unbelievably toxic and horribly dramatic experiences with the rest, while friends I made via my furry art are still my closest friends 16 years later.
Brony artists have, way too often, been people who act inhuman. They've pushed me away, used me for popularity gains, stolen my ideas and screamed at me when I called them out, ghosted me, yelled at me, accused me of felonies, refused to allow me to apologize for slip-ups, attacked me and my fanbase, doxxed me (Yes, three times, three different artists), hacked my e-mail accounts (I'm not joking), forced me to delete posts where I say I'm friends with them, forced me to pretend we don't know each other, gotten in violent arguments with me over my art style or anatomy, used "I'll stop being your friend if you don't do what I say" as a manipulative argument tactic, and blown up at me when I had a bad day and wanted to vent to them. Among many, many other things.
I feel like the reddest flag should have been the well-known brony artist who said "I hope his mom fucking dies," when my mother was in the hospital and I was raising funds in case she needed surgery, and got tons of his fans replying in agreement. Honestly should'a distanced myself from the fandom then.
Anyway here's my fursona as a zoof!
Category Artwork (Digital) / General Furry Art
Species Zebra
Size 1000 x 1000px
File Size 226.2 kB
For the most part, among fans themselves, it's not bad and is very welcoming.
It's the artists, man. I befriended so many brony artists and slowly but surely nearly every one of them turned into an incredibly scummy person or otherwise distanced themselves and ended the friendship.
Sure, a few instances were triggered by my own doing, but as I'd mentioned, "refused to allow me to apologize for slip-ups."
I'd say something that was taken the wrong way or that I shouldn't have said, and even after realizing my mistake and apologizing it was too late. I got "Fuck you, go eat shit you fucking ass hole" and even telling my friends "Go worship Jay's cock more. Fuck you." Brony artists are easily the most "I don't care, I can't hear you, friendship is over, go fuck yourself" people I've ever met.
It's the artists, man. I befriended so many brony artists and slowly but surely nearly every one of them turned into an incredibly scummy person or otherwise distanced themselves and ended the friendship.
Sure, a few instances were triggered by my own doing, but as I'd mentioned, "refused to allow me to apologize for slip-ups."
I'd say something that was taken the wrong way or that I shouldn't have said, and even after realizing my mistake and apologizing it was too late. I got "Fuck you, go eat shit you fucking ass hole" and even telling my friends "Go worship Jay's cock more. Fuck you." Brony artists are easily the most "I don't care, I can't hear you, friendship is over, go fuck yourself" people I've ever met.
I'm so sorry you've had to endure all these things. I'm sure each fandom has it's own group of people like that, those that give the rest a bad name. I surely hope you have better luck in this one.
I'm also glad to have found your page, I really like your artwork. I'll add you to my watch list if you don't mind ^_^
I'm also glad to have found your page, I really like your artwork. I'll add you to my watch list if you don't mind ^_^
Paradoxically, the Brony fandom (or at least apparently the art scene) attracted some really shitty people because of the eagerness of so many Bronies to "friendship" everyone, in a problematic misunderstanding of the show's message.
The unofficial slogan in the fandom became (somehow) "Love and tolerate," but what people didn't give enough thought to is that this was never show's message. The message is "Friendship is Magic." It's not "love and tolerate," and that's for a very good reason.
That reason is the paradox of tolerance. In the effort to "tolerate" and try to be "friends" withe everyone, too many people were too eager to extend unqualified friendship to anyone. Unfortunately, when given this chance at friendship, some of those people turned around and proved that they didn't deserve it. They proved that they didn't understand that friendship is a two-way street, of respect and kindness that must be given back as well as taken.
"Love and tolerate" was a huge mistake. We, as a fandom, should have cleaned up our own ranks from within and kicked out the people who turned out to be socially defective or malicious among us whenever they started making it clear that they're not actually interested in friendship, but rather in power or social parasitism or narcissistic self-aggrandization or whatever other thing they were out to gain at the expense of the people around them.
The tragedy to it is that there was an episode about this in the very first season of the show - and because it addressed exactly this topic, the subject of choosing good friends, it was one of the show's most important episodes. You know the one where Gilda shows up, hangs out with Rainbow Dash, turns out to be a total asshat, and Dash kicks her to the curb instead of "tolerating" that bullshit?
Yeah.
We should have learned from that.
We didn't.
This is the price.
I'm sorry you've had such a terrible experience. I truly am. I hope you've found the people who treat you right, and I hope you're doing better now.
EDIT TO ADD: This isn't to say I dislike Bronies - I'm still one of them myself, and I've met some of the best people and the best friends in my life through the fandom. It's only to say, you've got to be careful in picking your friends. Don't "tolerate" just for the sake of tolerating. Choose to be around good people, and be good to them in return.
The unofficial slogan in the fandom became (somehow) "Love and tolerate," but what people didn't give enough thought to is that this was never show's message. The message is "Friendship is Magic." It's not "love and tolerate," and that's for a very good reason.
That reason is the paradox of tolerance. In the effort to "tolerate" and try to be "friends" withe everyone, too many people were too eager to extend unqualified friendship to anyone. Unfortunately, when given this chance at friendship, some of those people turned around and proved that they didn't deserve it. They proved that they didn't understand that friendship is a two-way street, of respect and kindness that must be given back as well as taken.
"Love and tolerate" was a huge mistake. We, as a fandom, should have cleaned up our own ranks from within and kicked out the people who turned out to be socially defective or malicious among us whenever they started making it clear that they're not actually interested in friendship, but rather in power or social parasitism or narcissistic self-aggrandization or whatever other thing they were out to gain at the expense of the people around them.
The tragedy to it is that there was an episode about this in the very first season of the show - and because it addressed exactly this topic, the subject of choosing good friends, it was one of the show's most important episodes. You know the one where Gilda shows up, hangs out with Rainbow Dash, turns out to be a total asshat, and Dash kicks her to the curb instead of "tolerating" that bullshit?
Yeah.
We should have learned from that.
We didn't.
This is the price.
I'm sorry you've had such a terrible experience. I truly am. I hope you've found the people who treat you right, and I hope you're doing better now.
EDIT TO ADD: This isn't to say I dislike Bronies - I'm still one of them myself, and I've met some of the best people and the best friends in my life through the fandom. It's only to say, you've got to be careful in picking your friends. Don't "tolerate" just for the sake of tolerating. Choose to be around good people, and be good to them in return.
This is a fantastic summary that I can't add anything more to, thank you.
Sums up pretty much exactly how I've felt for years now with consistently feeling 'tolerated' instead of loved, and as soon as that tolerance was questioned, it was cut off in a heartbeat.
And I agree, I'm still a brony I'm just going back to my roots as a furry first and a brony second. Most of my friends are either not bronies at all or just people who enjoyed the show and moved on.
But most of the hardcore brony artists I've met have just turned out to be really lethally mean. People who I've spent months, years even, doing as many nice things as I possibly could for.
I have hundreds of examples of times I've set aside entire days to help friends through depression, done fundraisers to help friends keep their homes or cars or pay for medical bills, rounded up entire friend groups to do collaborative art pieces to cheer up someone, constantly reminding my friends that they're loved and adored, doing multistreams, drawing gift art, collaborating in large projects, etc.
And then, I have a bad day, and I go to them and vent, and I get yelled at and blocked instantly. Like literally no questions asked, no discussion, no empathy, no sympathy, literally just "I have my own fucking problems and I don't need yours too *block.*"
Or, I'll say something I shouldn't have, you know? I'll say a really cringe thing, and 2 days later I find myself ghosted and cold-shouldered by an entire friend group that's now talking shit about me amongst one another and attacking people who defend me in their group, labeling me as a horrible person because I said something cringey despite that one of them in that group I'd spent literal years talking to, roleplaying with, building worlds with, and even helping through their depression on a regular basis; they didn't stick up for me, they didn't go "Hey he's not that bad, I know him, he's a really nice guy who spent entire days helping me with programming, world building, lore, roleplay, whatever else because he's a genuine guy who cares about me," no no. As soon as Jay said something cringe, and apologized about it 2 days later sincerely? Friendship over. Multiple years of friendship gone instantly.
Brony artists are, generally, as far as I've seen, incredibly irrational and horribly toxic abusers. They're horrible, horrible people.
Like straight up? One of them who blocked me and called me a creep did so just a day after confessing to actual predatory behavior, and I hadn't realized it until I re-read the chat-log after being blocked.
I was like "WAIT SO I'M THE CREEP HERE BECAUSE I DREW A PICTURE OF SWEETIE BELLE 2 YEARS AGO, BUT YOU'RE FINE WHEN YOU LITERALLY GROPED A MINOR AT A CONVENTION AND BRAGGED ABOUT IT THINKING I WOULDN'T LOOK UP HOW OLD THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THAT CON?"
It's just disgusting, I'm sick of it. No furry artist I've ever met has acted like this, but it's a ratio of 28 to 2 for Brony artists, 26 of them either abusive manipulative scumbags or people very willing to ghost a close friend over a single awkward conversation when I had a bad day and wasn't in a good mood.
EDIT TO ADD: Oh yeah the best brony artist story I've got is one who spent years being a close friend of mine, adopted many memes I made up about their OC, and then I met them in person at a convention and they said to my face that they've never heard of me, and that the memes about their OC were made up by someone else. Even when I showed the art I drew of those memes, they said "No, I've never seen that." TO MY FACE. And he's a famous artist with 140k followers now!
Sums up pretty much exactly how I've felt for years now with consistently feeling 'tolerated' instead of loved, and as soon as that tolerance was questioned, it was cut off in a heartbeat.
And I agree, I'm still a brony I'm just going back to my roots as a furry first and a brony second. Most of my friends are either not bronies at all or just people who enjoyed the show and moved on.
But most of the hardcore brony artists I've met have just turned out to be really lethally mean. People who I've spent months, years even, doing as many nice things as I possibly could for.
I have hundreds of examples of times I've set aside entire days to help friends through depression, done fundraisers to help friends keep their homes or cars or pay for medical bills, rounded up entire friend groups to do collaborative art pieces to cheer up someone, constantly reminding my friends that they're loved and adored, doing multistreams, drawing gift art, collaborating in large projects, etc.
And then, I have a bad day, and I go to them and vent, and I get yelled at and blocked instantly. Like literally no questions asked, no discussion, no empathy, no sympathy, literally just "I have my own fucking problems and I don't need yours too *block.*"
Or, I'll say something I shouldn't have, you know? I'll say a really cringe thing, and 2 days later I find myself ghosted and cold-shouldered by an entire friend group that's now talking shit about me amongst one another and attacking people who defend me in their group, labeling me as a horrible person because I said something cringey despite that one of them in that group I'd spent literal years talking to, roleplaying with, building worlds with, and even helping through their depression on a regular basis; they didn't stick up for me, they didn't go "Hey he's not that bad, I know him, he's a really nice guy who spent entire days helping me with programming, world building, lore, roleplay, whatever else because he's a genuine guy who cares about me," no no. As soon as Jay said something cringe, and apologized about it 2 days later sincerely? Friendship over. Multiple years of friendship gone instantly.
Brony artists are, generally, as far as I've seen, incredibly irrational and horribly toxic abusers. They're horrible, horrible people.
Like straight up? One of them who blocked me and called me a creep did so just a day after confessing to actual predatory behavior, and I hadn't realized it until I re-read the chat-log after being blocked.
I was like "WAIT SO I'M THE CREEP HERE BECAUSE I DREW A PICTURE OF SWEETIE BELLE 2 YEARS AGO, BUT YOU'RE FINE WHEN YOU LITERALLY GROPED A MINOR AT A CONVENTION AND BRAGGED ABOUT IT THINKING I WOULDN'T LOOK UP HOW OLD THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THAT CON?"
It's just disgusting, I'm sick of it. No furry artist I've ever met has acted like this, but it's a ratio of 28 to 2 for Brony artists, 26 of them either abusive manipulative scumbags or people very willing to ghost a close friend over a single awkward conversation when I had a bad day and wasn't in a good mood.
EDIT TO ADD: Oh yeah the best brony artist story I've got is one who spent years being a close friend of mine, adopted many memes I made up about their OC, and then I met them in person at a convention and they said to my face that they've never heard of me, and that the memes about their OC were made up by someone else. Even when I showed the art I drew of those memes, they said "No, I've never seen that." TO MY FACE. And he's a famous artist with 140k followers now!
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