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Had some Clownery in my feed and I had to prove a point. 😤
Some How to Draw book claimed this were a pose made for ~females~, and ~males~ wouldn't look well striking it.
Well. Decide for yourself.
This is the reference. That page gave me physical pain haha, but the whole thread is a hot mess.
CN racism and sexism for the book in discussion.
Some How to Draw book claimed this were a pose made for ~females~, and ~males~ wouldn't look well striking it.
Well. Decide for yourself.
This is the reference. That page gave me physical pain haha, but the whole thread is a hot mess.
CN racism and sexism for the book in discussion.
Category Artwork (Digital) / Fat Furs
Species Housecat
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File Size 925.5 kB
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Yeah. Are you talking about my Jameel here or the character in the book that illustrates his position?
My problem with the book (and I use the page I linked as an example) is not just that the author makes that illustration and shares his views and opinions or tips for the industry or whatever, but that he claims it to be a biological/physical fact? And then he goes ahead and adds this drawing of a young girl doing the pose all spunky and dynamic and cute, while the supposed guy next to her is actually really ambigious gender-wise. And is drawn in all grey and doesn't even do the same pose, but a more melodramatic one? But for some reason the author blames it looking ill not on all that, but on the gender of the drawn character. ... that just doesn't make any sense. I see what you're doing there and I don't like it.
My problem with the book (and I use the page I linked as an example) is not just that the author makes that illustration and shares his views and opinions or tips for the industry or whatever, but that he claims it to be a biological/physical fact? And then he goes ahead and adds this drawing of a young girl doing the pose all spunky and dynamic and cute, while the supposed guy next to her is actually really ambigious gender-wise. And is drawn in all grey and doesn't even do the same pose, but a more melodramatic one? But for some reason the author blames it looking ill not on all that, but on the gender of the drawn character. ... that just doesn't make any sense. I see what you're doing there and I don't like it.
Nothing wrong with being motivated or enjoying an artistic process.
I was only curious to see your point of view. If I said it was dumb and leave it at that, it would be nothing more than a biased opinion about a person I don't know.
I guess putting myself in other peoples shoes makes me understand other people and their emotions better.
I was only curious to see your point of view. If I said it was dumb and leave it at that, it would be nothing more than a biased opinion about a person I don't know.
I guess putting myself in other peoples shoes makes me understand other people and their emotions better.
I'm gonna be honest: I really don't know if you're asking this with geniune curiosity or if you want to get a rise out of me (cause your questions sounds geniune, but calling it silly just sounds dismissive from the get-go.)
But I'll take you at face value.
I mean, this kind of BS is everywhere, the book is just one of these things that landed in my feed. And I think it's not unimportant when it's within the context of a sorta educational book aimed at a younger generation of artist (again, published in 2020). I'd like to think that we are over this.
It's not just "A dude has an opinion on a pose I don't share". It's the sexism. It's just one of the many cissexist things that still gets made, generates money, gets distributed.
It's just one example that is easily disproven with a picture. (Btw, if the viewer can't tell Jameel's gender here, that doesn't really invalidate my argument. He's male, therefore by the author's logic it would look unwell and surely not appealing. And if that's not what is coming through his rules don't hold any water.)
This is just one example of sexist BS that tangets my life in multiple ways, so of course I care. Sometimes I get angry, sometimes I get frustrated and often time I want to counteract it in some ways and drawing is just what I do.
And if you look at my gallery, you'll find that the topic of exploring gender is near and dear to me, in posing and fashion and such. I enjoy doing that stuff and I know a bit about it lmao
And I'm just tired. And I don't mind you asking in honesty, but starting off by calling it insignificant and silly isn't really the right way to do that haha
But I'll take you at face value.
I mean, this kind of BS is everywhere, the book is just one of these things that landed in my feed. And I think it's not unimportant when it's within the context of a sorta educational book aimed at a younger generation of artist (again, published in 2020). I'd like to think that we are over this.
It's not just "A dude has an opinion on a pose I don't share". It's the sexism. It's just one of the many cissexist things that still gets made, generates money, gets distributed.
It's just one example that is easily disproven with a picture. (Btw, if the viewer can't tell Jameel's gender here, that doesn't really invalidate my argument. He's male, therefore by the author's logic it would look unwell and surely not appealing. And if that's not what is coming through his rules don't hold any water.)
This is just one example of sexist BS that tangets my life in multiple ways, so of course I care. Sometimes I get angry, sometimes I get frustrated and often time I want to counteract it in some ways and drawing is just what I do.
And if you look at my gallery, you'll find that the topic of exploring gender is near and dear to me, in posing and fashion and such. I enjoy doing that stuff and I know a bit about it lmao
And I'm just tired. And I don't mind you asking in honesty, but starting off by calling it insignificant and silly isn't really the right way to do that haha
Yeah I hear that alot, alot of genuine curiosity usually comes off as something bad or as something more complicated while it's just couriosity and nothing more, a fleeing thought. I used "insignificant" for that reason you explained of being a book and generally being an advice anyone can easily ignore (I mean it's not like they know much more than any other artist you can talk to or take interviews from). I can see your perspective, though we can clearly both say that this is one of many far more bad things generating money (and yes, just because it's lesser doesn't make it irrelevant or any less worthy to be annoyed about or talked about). When it comes to "educational" art material aimed at younger audience or begginer artists in general I think there is alot of things written there that ultimately makes the learning process far more difficult and confusing for them, for no reason at all. Anyway, I feel like you have a preety healthy / constructive way to blow off some steam.
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