Memorial Day and something not seen in the history books
Today is not a day for car sales and discount prices on 'everything'. It is a day to remember those (all of them) who fought for us, and their countries.
In this, we are not meant to pick apart the politics and reasons for the war, almost all of which were wrong, preventable, and staged. We are meant to honor those who selflessly fought for their country.
My father fought in the Pacific during WWII. My step-mother served during the African Campaign.
My grandfather fought in WWI. He was a sailor stationed on the mine layer U. S. S. Husatonic. She was named for the first ship sunk by a submarine, which was during the Civil War. She was purposely a wooden hulled ship, as were the other three mine layers. The images shown are from my grandfather's picture book of the war. During this time, a personal camera was very rare.
The campaign she served in was called 'The Great North Sea Mine Barrage'. During WWI, they did not have the technology used later. The reasons for heavily mining the North Sea were many, but primarily, it was meant to stop all ships carry supplies into her harbors, thus starving Germany into surrender. This brutal method of warfare is as old as man, and yes, it worked.
I have a friend in England who is an archeologist with many master's certificates, and he told me, 'One of the things that hastened the end of the war was America's entry, because the American soldiers threw away so much food, the German soldiers were picking through their dump sites. These soldiers wondered that the Americans had so much, and they virtually had nothing.'
Later studies showed Germany, itself, was extremely short of food.
After the war, the mine layers were again employed to clear away the mines they had laid. There is another picture in his album showing the ship as she headed home. Every ship, upon leaving, flew a sixty foot three color ribbon. After departure, each sailor was given a piece of this ribbon, which is also in his book, along with the picture of it happily flying.
There is a monument to this campaign in Philadelphia with one of the mines on display.
I grew up with an entire generation of adults who answered their nation's call and served. Even my step-mother had been an army nurse and served in the African Campaign. Most of them were alcoholics. All of them had stories; but we children only ever heard the funny ones - the time the nurses in Africa were given a 50 gallon drum of peanut butter - the story of my father's dog coming home to him after being 'de-trained' - my grandfather's anchor tattoo which he couldn't even remember getting because he was so drunk.
My father told me he'd never been under fire. I later found an article on his wall showing him sitting on the wall of a Japanese naval gun. They had stormed the gun, and the story quoted my father as saying, 'I guess I didn't get hit because I could run faster than the other guys.' (he was a very good athlete)
This day is meant as a moment for the survivors, and the rest of us living, to remember those who couldn't run as fast as my father.
We should also remember that; war is ugly. It flies in the face of every belief man holds close to his heart.
The only question after our remembrance should be; 'why'?
Vixyy Fox
In this, we are not meant to pick apart the politics and reasons for the war, almost all of which were wrong, preventable, and staged. We are meant to honor those who selflessly fought for their country.
My father fought in the Pacific during WWII. My step-mother served during the African Campaign.
My grandfather fought in WWI. He was a sailor stationed on the mine layer U. S. S. Husatonic. She was named for the first ship sunk by a submarine, which was during the Civil War. She was purposely a wooden hulled ship, as were the other three mine layers. The images shown are from my grandfather's picture book of the war. During this time, a personal camera was very rare.
The campaign she served in was called 'The Great North Sea Mine Barrage'. During WWI, they did not have the technology used later. The reasons for heavily mining the North Sea were many, but primarily, it was meant to stop all ships carry supplies into her harbors, thus starving Germany into surrender. This brutal method of warfare is as old as man, and yes, it worked.
I have a friend in England who is an archeologist with many master's certificates, and he told me, 'One of the things that hastened the end of the war was America's entry, because the American soldiers threw away so much food, the German soldiers were picking through their dump sites. These soldiers wondered that the Americans had so much, and they virtually had nothing.'
Later studies showed Germany, itself, was extremely short of food.
After the war, the mine layers were again employed to clear away the mines they had laid. There is another picture in his album showing the ship as she headed home. Every ship, upon leaving, flew a sixty foot three color ribbon. After departure, each sailor was given a piece of this ribbon, which is also in his book, along with the picture of it happily flying.
There is a monument to this campaign in Philadelphia with one of the mines on display.
I grew up with an entire generation of adults who answered their nation's call and served. Even my step-mother had been an army nurse and served in the African Campaign. Most of them were alcoholics. All of them had stories; but we children only ever heard the funny ones - the time the nurses in Africa were given a 50 gallon drum of peanut butter - the story of my father's dog coming home to him after being 'de-trained' - my grandfather's anchor tattoo which he couldn't even remember getting because he was so drunk.
My father told me he'd never been under fire. I later found an article on his wall showing him sitting on the wall of a Japanese naval gun. They had stormed the gun, and the story quoted my father as saying, 'I guess I didn't get hit because I could run faster than the other guys.' (he was a very good athlete)
This day is meant as a moment for the survivors, and the rest of us living, to remember those who couldn't run as fast as my father.
We should also remember that; war is ugly. It flies in the face of every belief man holds close to his heart.
The only question after our remembrance should be; 'why'?
Vixyy Fox
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Well said. <3
Even 'the enemy' were just people, fighting for their country, many as young as our own soldiers.
Sure, some bought into seeing their enemy (USA and allies) as less than them and/or evil, but plenty had no personal vendetta against us. I like to remember that time when soldiers from both sides sang Christmas songs together during a cease-fire. A beautiful moment in the midst of the hellish battlefield.
Even 'the enemy' were just people, fighting for their country, many as young as our own soldiers.
Sure, some bought into seeing their enemy (USA and allies) as less than them and/or evil, but plenty had no personal vendetta against us. I like to remember that time when soldiers from both sides sang Christmas songs together during a cease-fire. A beautiful moment in the midst of the hellish battlefield.
My stepfather's dad, Pop Lyon, was executive officer on the Gudgeon during WW2. He was personally there to see the beginning of America's part of the war at Pearl Harbor through to the end on the deck of the Missouri. I only ever met him once prior to his us death, and I never met a more refined and cultured man In my life. In some ways, he was a mystery to my stepfather as he didn't like talking about his wartime experiences but my stepdad managed to piece together some truly horrific moments.
He knew that the world was literally shattered as the Gudgeon sailed out of Pearl Harbor past the still burning Pacific Fleet to conduct unrestricted submarine warfare on December 8th. A few days later they were given orders to intercept a Japanese submarine that had been given sailing orders in the vicinity in order to test that the Purple Codes were indeed genuine. ( They were, and the Japanese sub was seen running on the surface and Gudgeon sank it with a submerged torpedo shot.)
The Gudgeon sailed into Tokyo Bay and fired torpedoes in a tanker birthed there but apparently these were the Type 14s with the bad detonators and they didn't explode, and the wakes drew the attention of the harbor defenders and Gudgeon was mercilessly depth charged for hours. My stepdad was present for a lecture that his father gave and there was a film of a depth charge attack that sent his father into a full panic attack that left him gasping for several minutes. I believe that it was after this depth charging at Tokyo that Pop Lyon was transferred to navigator of Missouri.
The saddest story that I was told was about a order of coffee cups that the Gudgeon had made with all the sailors names on them. The Gudgeon was reported missing sometime late in the war and the cup company didn't know where to send them, so they shipped them to Pop because he was on Missouri. My dad said these are cups ended up broken over the years.
He knew that the world was literally shattered as the Gudgeon sailed out of Pearl Harbor past the still burning Pacific Fleet to conduct unrestricted submarine warfare on December 8th. A few days later they were given orders to intercept a Japanese submarine that had been given sailing orders in the vicinity in order to test that the Purple Codes were indeed genuine. ( They were, and the Japanese sub was seen running on the surface and Gudgeon sank it with a submerged torpedo shot.)
The Gudgeon sailed into Tokyo Bay and fired torpedoes in a tanker birthed there but apparently these were the Type 14s with the bad detonators and they didn't explode, and the wakes drew the attention of the harbor defenders and Gudgeon was mercilessly depth charged for hours. My stepdad was present for a lecture that his father gave and there was a film of a depth charge attack that sent his father into a full panic attack that left him gasping for several minutes. I believe that it was after this depth charging at Tokyo that Pop Lyon was transferred to navigator of Missouri.
The saddest story that I was told was about a order of coffee cups that the Gudgeon had made with all the sailors names on them. The Gudgeon was reported missing sometime late in the war and the cup company didn't know where to send them, so they shipped them to Pop because he was on Missouri. My dad said these are cups ended up broken over the years.
I recently read "All Quiet on the Western Front" for the first time. If you've never read it, in it the author, talking as the protagonist, constantly complained about the lack of food the German soldiers had during the latter part of the war. I've never been in a war, the closest I ever came was in 1973. I turned 18 in April and American involvement in Vietnam ended in January. But, I did have a cousin in Vietnam and I've met a few others who were there. None talk too much about their experience.
Fun fact: According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, such ships were called "minecraft." Also, I would love to see a picture of the banner piece.
Thank you for sharing the images Vixyy. Here is one that always creeped me out as a kid during visits to Norway https://c8.alamy.com/comp/T223DF/th.....way-T223DF.jpg Its in my mother's home town of Kristiansund. They lost a lot of merchant sailors to the mines. Norway and Sweden were Neutral but innocents paid a heavy price
all very true... food is the true indicator. The world is so very screwed up, and where we try to believe that a madman couldn't possibly remain in power, it is done every day. I used to work with a girl who was Venezuelan. She was a (cough cough cough) princess, her family wealthy. When we were working together, things became so bad in her home country, she was trying to mail her mother food.
I hope that someday we will finally have peace.
V.
I hope that someday we will finally have peace.
V.
Dazzle camouflage. It worked back then; the only reason we don't use it today is because everything was targeted with RADAR and later with laser -- neither of which is looking for the pattern of the side of a ship.
My mother's father served in WWI, as did most of his brothers -- one never came home. Dad's father served too. He came home and attended college at the same University my Dad would graduate from in 1951. Dad was drafted as soon as he got out of high school. He was 18 when the U.S.Army dropped him in the Ardennes Forest near the end of the Battle of the Bulge. He was assigned to the 84th Infantry Division 'Railsplitters' and arrived near the end of the Battle of the Bulge. Unfortunately, he drew 'repatriation' duty and never spoke of that part of his service.
Near the end of the war, he was given a field promotion from Private, First Class to Sergeant, bypassing Corporal, mostly because he knew how to drill troops and spoke German fluently (his grandmother was an immigrant and he studied the language in school). He was reassigned as a guard at an Allied POW camp. After the end of the war he was asked to stay in Germany, but could not talk about the work he did during that time.
My mother's father served in WWI, as did most of his brothers -- one never came home. Dad's father served too. He came home and attended college at the same University my Dad would graduate from in 1951. Dad was drafted as soon as he got out of high school. He was 18 when the U.S.Army dropped him in the Ardennes Forest near the end of the Battle of the Bulge. He was assigned to the 84th Infantry Division 'Railsplitters' and arrived near the end of the Battle of the Bulge. Unfortunately, he drew 'repatriation' duty and never spoke of that part of his service.
Near the end of the war, he was given a field promotion from Private, First Class to Sergeant, bypassing Corporal, mostly because he knew how to drill troops and spoke German fluently (his grandmother was an immigrant and he studied the language in school). He was reassigned as a guard at an Allied POW camp. After the end of the war he was asked to stay in Germany, but could not talk about the work he did during that time.
So many secrets... my neighbor just passed away a few weeks ago. He was the one who was a Skyraider pilot. Come to find out, he served seven tours in Vietnam and two tours at the Pentagon. He would never talk about his missions.
I do have a bit of - well, I kinda figured it out on my own long ago, but it was confirmed on a show we watched one day. Back in the days before radar, range was determined optically - just like in a camera. A nob was turned, which adjust the angle of mirrors, and when the image came into focus you had the range. Dazzle camouflage was meant to keep the range finders from getting a clear image or a false focus. It's also where the expression came from - 'Give'em the old razzle dazzle.'
I would salute your relatives, all.
V.
I do have a bit of - well, I kinda figured it out on my own long ago, but it was confirmed on a show we watched one day. Back in the days before radar, range was determined optically - just like in a camera. A nob was turned, which adjust the angle of mirrors, and when the image came into focus you had the range. Dazzle camouflage was meant to keep the range finders from getting a clear image or a false focus. It's also where the expression came from - 'Give'em the old razzle dazzle.'
I would salute your relatives, all.
V.
Yes, it's exactly the same mechanism the cameras use. I still have the Kodak 35 Rangefinder Dad bought at the PX drawing in boot camp. It served him well in Europe for over two years and went on to serve all three of his boys in Yearbook (my middle brother cleaned the shutter a couple times).
I ran into an older gentleman at a gun show about three years back. He was in the same Division at the same time in pretty much the same places, but as he observed, the chances that he ever ran into my Dad was slim. As we compared notes, though, his life and Dad's -- and mine -- had a lot of parallels. He went to college in New York State for Electrical Engineering, but got distracted by computers -- in the late 1940s. He wound up working for the organization that became NASA.
I sure hope he made it through COVID. I should have gotten his eMail address...
I ran into an older gentleman at a gun show about three years back. He was in the same Division at the same time in pretty much the same places, but as he observed, the chances that he ever ran into my Dad was slim. As we compared notes, though, his life and Dad's -- and mine -- had a lot of parallels. He went to college in New York State for Electrical Engineering, but got distracted by computers -- in the late 1940s. He wound up working for the organization that became NASA.
I sure hope he made it through COVID. I should have gotten his eMail address...
I have a granduncle buried in Flanders a casualty of the great war. My father was part of UDT 6 during WWII. He is now buried at Punch bole Hawaii. It took me most of my life to reconstruct his service history. He survived the war, but not quite intact. My mother never understood what it did to him or nearly every other man who went. My family missed Coria. My wars Vet Nam, both gulf wars, and deployments for Panama & Cuba. I know I am changed but it would be a lie if I tried to tell exactly how I am different from it.
war, war ... from everything I've heard in the stories of relatives, I know that she really is hell. But in this hell there were people tainted with malice, or plunged into it. I remember a story when German soldiers happened to be witnesses of childbirth. And the child was immediately taken away. But only to wash him and bring clean and fresh diapers and sheets. (this is my grandmother's story). During the siege of Leningrad, Russian and German soldiers exchanged drinks and warm clothes. (from the book of memories). There was also described the case of the capture of two German soldiers, who, under escort, said "this is just a dream. This cannot be. This ALL cannot be." and it was clear that these were ordinary people. unwilling to kill. there were popular stories when Russian soldiers also rescued German children.
I can say one thing that a lot of soldiers would really prefer to throw away their weapons and share dinner with a possible enemy when their minds are not covered with propaganda or anger from the death of comrades. we are all human, and if we are human * we have no need to kill our neighbor.
I can say one thing that a lot of soldiers would really prefer to throw away their weapons and share dinner with a possible enemy when their minds are not covered with propaganda or anger from the death of comrades. we are all human, and if we are human * we have no need to kill our neighbor.
Having worn the U.S. Army uniform in 1976, just like Dad did some 32 years prior when he served in WWII. For me it was just a job to serve my country so it's not a big deal.
I look at today as a way to honor those in uniform and for those that never took it off when they gave all. Those of us that were able to take the uniform off are the lucky ones, compared to those that never did.
The older I get the more this day means to me... I wonder how many wars would happen if the bankers were in the front like?
I look at today as a way to honor those in uniform and for those that never took it off when they gave all. Those of us that were able to take the uniform off are the lucky ones, compared to those that never did.
The older I get the more this day means to me... I wonder how many wars would happen if the bankers were in the front like?
Very true about the question of "why?". My great-grandfather was with the Canadian 104th Batallion stationed in England during WW1. He died during a battle in France. My relatives recently found his death certificate on the Canadian VA website; it said shrapnel went through his heart. It also described where he's buried, in a small cemetery in France where a bunch of other WW1 dead were buried. He never even met my grandmother, who was a baby back in England when he died. My grandfather (her future husband after her family emigrated to Canada and then the US) was a navy electrician working in a ship yard on the west coast. He never saw the battle field but still played an important role in his own way, working on ship construction. And my uncle, who has been a prisoner of the VA hospital for the last year due to the plague (he had to have a leg amputated, and before rehab could start the plague hit), was a helicopter gunner in Vietnam and was shot down 3 times.
War sucks ass. Powerful people at the top decide to invade a place, powerful people at the top of other countries decide to fight back, and on both sides it's hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of others who have to go, fight, and all to often get hurt or die, on the orders from those at the top who don't even get a paper cut. Granted, those who fight to defend have to do it in order to save their countries or their allies, but there should never have been the greed for power and wealth in the first place that started an invasion.
War sucks ass. Powerful people at the top decide to invade a place, powerful people at the top of other countries decide to fight back, and on both sides it's hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of others who have to go, fight, and all to often get hurt or die, on the orders from those at the top who don't even get a paper cut. Granted, those who fight to defend have to do it in order to save their countries or their allies, but there should never have been the greed for power and wealth in the first place that started an invasion.
I am grateful that the nation to which I was born allows me to live in personal freedom.
I am grateful that certain folk of my nation protected my freedom by sacrificing everything when it was needed.
I despise the fact that my species keeps finding reasons for the need.
The smaller the group, the larger my love is for them. The larger, the less.
I am grateful that certain folk of my nation protected my freedom by sacrificing everything when it was needed.
I despise the fact that my species keeps finding reasons for the need.
The smaller the group, the larger my love is for them. The larger, the less.
I think you could not have put it better.
I don't know if any members of my family fought in WWI, although it probably isn't stretch to say there might have been some. However, one of my great grandfathers fought for the Union during the Civil War (he was from Kentucky, which had chosen neutrality.) I still have some scans of letters he wrote to his wife, as well as a newspaper's account of his death. He had lived from 1818 to 1886, and served in the army for about four years and six months.
Its all too easy these days, especially during peace time, to take for granted those who fought so such a future would be possible.
For as much as I criticize my country and my species, and that war has so far still been a poison we have yet to rid ourselves of - I am forever grateful for the brave men and women who stood up and showed true courage in the face of despair and even as many knew there was a chance they would not return, all so that we might all see a brighter future.
Although this comment is a bit late, I wish anyone who reads this a peaceful Genesia, Memorial Day or day of remembrance.
I don't know if any members of my family fought in WWI, although it probably isn't stretch to say there might have been some. However, one of my great grandfathers fought for the Union during the Civil War (he was from Kentucky, which had chosen neutrality.) I still have some scans of letters he wrote to his wife, as well as a newspaper's account of his death. He had lived from 1818 to 1886, and served in the army for about four years and six months.
Its all too easy these days, especially during peace time, to take for granted those who fought so such a future would be possible.
For as much as I criticize my country and my species, and that war has so far still been a poison we have yet to rid ourselves of - I am forever grateful for the brave men and women who stood up and showed true courage in the face of despair and even as many knew there was a chance they would not return, all so that we might all see a brighter future.
Although this comment is a bit late, I wish anyone who reads this a peaceful Genesia, Memorial Day or day of remembrance.
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