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I feel like the blame for this lies on the god who apparently decided that this child needed to have the love of his parents and family taken away from him because of an arbitrary failure outside of his control. It's not like he failed because he wasn't good enough. She literally just disqualified him from becoming a guardian then told him to think about why he wants to be one for...what reason? I'm not saying it's healthy for his parents to be that way but I'm not seeing how they're at fault here.
Because they're the ones doling out the punishment? The Tree of Life isn't omnipotent or omniscient. She is certainly very wise and very powerful, but she cannot read people's minds or control their actions. Her only decision in this matter was to postpone his selection, everything after that was entirely on the parents.
and that's the point. He did not REALLY wanted to be a guardian, was something he did only to make his parent proud. And that is what was missing. Or the flaw the Tree of life saw. A still immature soul. Even if she accepted him here and there, just to make him happy, she knew that in the end he wouldn't make it to the end. His motivation was simply not solid enough. <and she certainly couldn't predict his parents reaction>
The setup to this point was obvious and I don't feel the execution works. It's clear the relationship with the parents was bad but having things play out this way just makes the Tree of Life the bad one. With how clearly she encourages him to never give up it seems to imply she knows what will happen. I can't really justify the decision if she knows and if she doesn't...then what exactly was the criteria to become a guardian? Does every guardian have to be able to answer honestly about why they want to be one? You wouldn't ask that kind of question if you didn't know they were being pressured into it and, in this specific case, if you knew and disqualified him...
It's hard to support that kind of decision making.
It's hard to support that kind of decision making.
1. She is not responsible for people’s free will. Perhaps they chose it based on the cultural context, something she has little power over.
2. If she is omnipotent, then as a character, she already knows everything, thus all her decisions could ONLY be right, for she wouldnt make wrong ones. She clearly doesn’t, and this happens to be one of many examples of her limits.
3. Telling him what he should do and what he is doing now is wrong doesn’t work that way. Letting people come to their own conclusion works far better in figuring out what is wrong. She saw him relying a lot on “praise” most likely, which is a very fragile motivation, as most ego boosting ones are. So she gave a fairly decent request of holding it off for a bit.
2. If she is omnipotent, then as a character, she already knows everything, thus all her decisions could ONLY be right, for she wouldnt make wrong ones. She clearly doesn’t, and this happens to be one of many examples of her limits.
3. Telling him what he should do and what he is doing now is wrong doesn’t work that way. Letting people come to their own conclusion works far better in figuring out what is wrong. She saw him relying a lot on “praise” most likely, which is a very fragile motivation, as most ego boosting ones are. So she gave a fairly decent request of holding it off for a bit.
I feel like blaming a god for encouraging you to be strong or focused on the goal you feel you want to reach is odd. I agree with you that if she *knew* he was going to go through the things he eventually does, *then* it would be cruel. But so far I've not seen any indication of her having the ability to see the future, and every indication of her being willing to intervene in people's lives gently in order to hopefully nudge them in the right direction.
What she did here was to try to do that based on what she knew, which was that he really did want to be a Guardian. She could tell something was missing, but not exactly what; she didn't know it was his wanting to be a Guardian for his parents sake, rather than his own, just that something was not quite there yet. Considering her other options, which would be to make him a Guardian despite the flaws that might cause him to fall later, or to not offer any encouragement and thus seem cruel, this is in her character.
Also, what you seem to be doing is referred to in D&D as 'metagaming'. You're looking at things from the perspective of someone outside of the story, not from the perspective of the characters themselves. The goddess doesn't have the same view of things as we, the readers do (though it's understandable that you would think so, with her being a goddess), and so she can't see what's happening with the same clarity as the readers do. It's like how as a player in D&D, you know things and can see things in the rulebook or such, but your *character* isn't supposed to have the same knowledge or insight.
The turnout isn't the best, but it's honestly realistic.
What she did here was to try to do that based on what she knew, which was that he really did want to be a Guardian. She could tell something was missing, but not exactly what; she didn't know it was his wanting to be a Guardian for his parents sake, rather than his own, just that something was not quite there yet. Considering her other options, which would be to make him a Guardian despite the flaws that might cause him to fall later, or to not offer any encouragement and thus seem cruel, this is in her character.
Also, what you seem to be doing is referred to in D&D as 'metagaming'. You're looking at things from the perspective of someone outside of the story, not from the perspective of the characters themselves. The goddess doesn't have the same view of things as we, the readers do (though it's understandable that you would think so, with her being a goddess), and so she can't see what's happening with the same clarity as the readers do. It's like how as a player in D&D, you know things and can see things in the rulebook or such, but your *character* isn't supposed to have the same knowledge or insight.
The turnout isn't the best, but it's honestly realistic.
Look at it this way, Leopold wants to become a guardian because that's something that he wants to do, as well as choice that he himself made, and he's prepared to do everything to excel in that role.
Nigel wants to become a guardian, because that's what his parents expected of him, and he wants to make them proud, rather than because it's a path that he chose for himself. To keep it short, outside of doing it for his parents, and following in his families footsteps, he doesn't seem to have any other motivations for being a guardian, Nigel isn't fully committed to take on the responsibilities of that role
Nigel wants to become a guardian, because that's what his parents expected of him, and he wants to make them proud, rather than because it's a path that he chose for himself. To keep it short, outside of doing it for his parents, and following in his families footsteps, he doesn't seem to have any other motivations for being a guardian, Nigel isn't fully committed to take on the responsibilities of that role
They're at fault because it's because of them that he's not becoming a guardian that year. Instead of teaching him the proper values, all they taught him was essentially that he has to be a guardian cause the whole family was.
Luna is right to reject him and it's not out of malice. He's chasing the goal for the wrong reason. Being a Guardian is not just prestige like the parents think.
How are you literally so blind to the fault within the parents, only loving their child if said child acts like a proper trophy? There never was any genuine love if they drop him like a hot potato just because it might take him a year longer to reach his goal.
Luna is right to reject him and it's not out of malice. He's chasing the goal for the wrong reason. Being a Guardian is not just prestige like the parents think.
How are you literally so blind to the fault within the parents, only loving their child if said child acts like a proper trophy? There never was any genuine love if they drop him like a hot potato just because it might take him a year longer to reach his goal.
I think the main problem is that they dont seem to see the effort he has put in this and don't really want to wait until next year, I think the Tree Of Life said that to him so he could chose is destiny and not follow the path of his parents like they asked him to, The parents are putting so much pressure onto that child like they chose for him is destiny. The Tree probalby didn't see him to be a guardian YET because he is doing it to make his parents proud ( that no to blame him this is very sweet ) but the thing is that he never seemed to have any other choice than become a guardian. And maybe she wanted him to become a guradian for HIM ( idk if him being really clear ;w; ). Plus this could end up in in an identity crisis for Nigle because if he can't make his parents proud than what else can he do ? ( Srry for the broken english not my first language but I hope you understood my point :3 )
**Bonus !** : Also what may happen is that Nigel's little brother is gonna receive all the attention that Nigel had and maybe become a guardin, this will create jalousy and hate towards his little brother wich can either push him to become somehow a villain or be someone rejected by his family because he didn't acheive what his Little brother did ( This is my opinion of what may happen from what we can see )
**Bonus !** : Also what may happen is that Nigel's little brother is gonna receive all the attention that Nigel had and maybe become a guardin, this will create jalousy and hate towards his little brother wich can either push him to become somehow a villain or be someone rejected by his family because he didn't acheive what his Little brother did ( This is my opinion of what may happen from what we can see )
Funny thing is, the younger brother wouldn't really have resentment for his parents, due to how young he is. It's likely that he doesn't really understand what's happening or the gravity of the situation regarding his parents and Nigel. To him it's likely nothing out of the ordinary, I'm sure if they did end up suddenly showering Toby with love and affection, he wouldn't think nothing of it, more likely he'd probably just be happy.
He disshonored the House, Parents gonna now focus on the lill brother way more for sure.
Now i wanna see how they do it do they train the younger brother harder or do they just spoil him more?
Pretty sure Nigel loses now all privilegies like compfy bed, warm meals and so on. Basicly his Parents gonna treat him like a commoner or a servant now :L
Now i wanna see how they do it do they train the younger brother harder or do they just spoil him more?
Pretty sure Nigel loses now all privilegies like compfy bed, warm meals and so on. Basicly his Parents gonna treat him like a commoner or a servant now :L
Probably wasn't really honest "Love and adoration" in the first place.
Love from parents to their kids should be unconditionnal, parents who give love care and trust to their kids only when they succeed will destroy their potential and abilities in the long run, that makes kids affraid to fail and therefore taking the necessary risks to learn and grow. I know, that's how I've been raised.
Beautiful work, once again <3
Love from parents to their kids should be unconditionnal, parents who give love care and trust to their kids only when they succeed will destroy their potential and abilities in the long run, that makes kids affraid to fail and therefore taking the necessary risks to learn and grow. I know, that's how I've been raised.
Beautiful work, once again <3
In the end it means they never loved him but only loved the prestige that would be attached to him. So even if he had been a guardian there would have been a day it would have shown where they would have been selfish and careless, would have happened any day
Still once again if they DID use to be with Luna how could they ignore her words and how could have turnt into these trashes !?
Still once again if they DID use to be with Luna how could they ignore her words and how could have turnt into these trashes !?
I heard stories from my older relations about how 'back innaday' (30's-50's or so?) it was hardly unknown for a kid who tried out for local junior baseball or the like and failed to to get their backside paddled for it afterwards. And a failing report card, hoo boy.
Heck I had teachers who used to rhapsodize about the good old days when they could hammer the kids from pillar to post for back-talk or failing in class. Typically with some comment about 'You brats have it easy, so stop complaining!'
Heck I had teachers who used to rhapsodize about the good old days when they could hammer the kids from pillar to post for back-talk or failing in class. Typically with some comment about 'You brats have it easy, so stop complaining!'
well after all that formal learning I guess it's time to get to get the second half of your education at the school of hard knocks. I think it says a lot if he's able to still hang on to his heroic ideas and optimism after what I'm sure is coming, I sure wouldn't XD.
The tree while powerful in her own right, isn't omniscient, she isn't psychic. While she can feel certain things that others can't, she doesn't have the ability to see the future, nor can she predict things that are outside of her control, otherwise she would have foresaw her meeting with Tristan, which was entirety by chance, and took her by suprise.
Hooo, so when they said "We will be proud of you until the end of time!", that was just a big lie. In fact what they were saying was : we will always be proud of you. (As long as you reach our expectations, otherwise you are just a good for nothing to us *cough* *cough* *cough*).
What a bunch of terrible and hypocritical parents…
What a bunch of terrible and hypocritical parents…
And now they’ll focus on his brother, should I worry that they may go too far with his younger brother like they will think that they were too soft with him and that could be why he failed and so they’ll be harder with his brother.
I get an awful feeling that his brother could die from that. I just am worried for Nigel and his brother.
I get an awful feeling that his brother could die from that. I just am worried for Nigel and his brother.
Well now we see why he starts the adventure in rags and a stick. looks to me that he's basically already disowned. and can't blame him for being sour at the world. he was promised this would be the greatest day of his life, only to turn into his worst. Sadly he born on a high pedestal by his family only for them now to suddenly take that away. Kids got a long way to fall. Poor lil'guy.
If I could make a guess of what's gonna happen later in this comic's story, is that not only is he ignored and unloved by his parents, but he is also punished in severe ways for letting his family down despite how hard he works to make up for his shortcomings, which eventually leads him to either being reject by his family or being heartbroken and both tortured and tormented to the point where he runs away and despises his family for the rest of his life.
This eventually leads to him at some point meeting up with some of the other main characters and joining up with them (most likely against his will) and being that one person in the group that most of the group members can't stand because of his attitude. Also, like someone in the comments earlier said, all those years of neglect and abuse by his own family all because Luna never chose him will lead him to having a somewhat secret resentment towards her and everything she believes in and stands for. Which would eventually lead up to him doing something that would somehow get luna to make him a guardian, but because of all those many years of pain and suffering by his family all because she didn't make him a guardian until now cause him to have some kind of traumatic episode that would result in him lashing out a Luna and most likely trying to harm her while saying stuff like how he hates her and despises her for not making him a guardian in the first place!
This eventually leads to him at some point meeting up with some of the other main characters and joining up with them (most likely against his will) and being that one person in the group that most of the group members can't stand because of his attitude. Also, like someone in the comments earlier said, all those years of neglect and abuse by his own family all because Luna never chose him will lead him to having a somewhat secret resentment towards her and everything she believes in and stands for. Which would eventually lead up to him doing something that would somehow get luna to make him a guardian, but because of all those many years of pain and suffering by his family all because she didn't make him a guardian until now cause him to have some kind of traumatic episode that would result in him lashing out a Luna and most likely trying to harm her while saying stuff like how he hates her and despises her for not making him a guardian in the first place!
Okay I took a look at the picture of adult Nigel and the state of his clothing says that he is going to be living on his own on the streets in the future. The real question is going to be weather his parents kick him out or he leaves on his own. We also have to see how badly it gets before Nigel ends up on his own and if any of his family try to stop him from leaving. I am also worried if we are going to see another child try to murder a parent scene like Estelle and her father in "Welcome to New Dawn".
Looks like they had already made their plans for Nigel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-X3Wy-svIY
(... I just wonder if the choice for his name happens to be a coincidence, I'm so reminded right now of the 1979 song by XTC...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-X3Wy-svIY
(... I just wonder if the choice for his name happens to be a coincidence, I'm so reminded right now of the 1979 song by XTC...)
Yep, not living up to the elder's expectations. I bet all the love will go in Toby's direction. I can relate.
I see comment putting the blame on Luna, for what happened, but I hope Nigel will realize this is why he was not ready. I assume he wanted to be a guardian because mommy and daddy told him so, and he wants to meet their expectation.
A path laid out for a kid can be a terrible thing, if in the end he/she won't make the cut, or later realize that this was not what he/she really wanted from life. (Like I did.)
I see comment putting the blame on Luna, for what happened, but I hope Nigel will realize this is why he was not ready. I assume he wanted to be a guardian because mommy and daddy told him so, and he wants to meet their expectation.
A path laid out for a kid can be a terrible thing, if in the end he/she won't make the cut, or later realize that this was not what he/she really wanted from life. (Like I did.)
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