The anti-science argument is funny, given there are often experts in various fields saying things that contradict mainstream science. Problem is those people aren't allowed to call themselves "the science", as they too are "conspiracy theorists" no matter the experience they have in their field, because they say something inconvenient.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not cause this is some of the dumbest fucking shit I've ever seen on this website and thats saying something

Hoo boy. Could get into a conversation on this whole thing, but would rather do a discussion and it can take me a while to notice posts. How about I just start with linking this video which I feel gives a fairly thorough explanation on HOW we know that the climate is changing. It's not the ONLY thing that's part of the whole thing you get on about, but we can at least start with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqwvf6R1_QY

Maybe stop at about 22 minutes though as after that he starts getting into how to change things.

Man the classic "suppose this is the scenario" argument for several pages of comic, but not using the actual data we have recorded and published that answer what those scenarios really are. I like to call it the conspiracy theory classic.

There's also the classic move of portraying your opposition as having few (and usually strawman) arguments and quickly becoming irrationally angry. Granted this is increasio common on both sides of the spectrum, but it still essentially boils down to, "I drew your side as the ugly dumb one and I'm calm and rational lol."

Stop with the both sides stuff please

both sides are not comparable anymore

they havent been for years.

Worst case liberals call people on the right a basket of deplorables. People on the right gun down dozens of people in night clubs, lead a terrorist insurrection against our nations capital, get dozens of people killed in Texas to make extra profit while screaming "states rights" all the while continuing to support a racist shriveled up old tangerine that is a literal actual real life golden calf (They brought an honest to god golden statue of him to CPAC as an official prop; not just a thing some rando brought)

So can we please stop perpetuating the complete bullshit of "Both sides"? thats half the reason things are so bad right now.

On the subject of actual actions, I will wholeheartedly agree that America's right wing has been carrying itself considerably worse, to the point that a considerable fraction is practically a cult. The point I was attempting to drive at is that people in general are engaging in serious debate disturbingly less often, and instead relying on cheap shots and memes to back up their points.

because you CANT have a debate with these psychos. When we TRY to have a legitimate debate on the source of gun violence or global warming or systematic racism all we get is autistic screeching about cancel culture, dr seuss, and a FUCING INSURRECTIONIST TERRORIST ATTACK ON OUR CAPITAL

Literally any "both sides" equivocation at this point is AT BEST criminally disingenuous and more likely just blatant lying

Only because you think that beating thousands people into a coma is better than killing one, it doesn't mean other people think the same.

So, can we stop acting like "we got a trumpie here!" *gunshot* or "I wish a have killed that kid" people are the good guys.

I can't hear you over the sounds of all the people that died in the war in the middle east started over fake WMDs and to "BRING FREEDOM" (steal oil and pay the military industrial complex)

or all of the dozens of mass shootings that the overwhelming majority of were committed by self-avowed right wingers, trump supporters, or people blindly and obviously following along with the culture war bullshit the right has been pushing for 20 years. and thats not even counting the people that FAILED in what they were doing, like the multiple instances of attempted pipe bombings.

I cant hear you over the screams of anguish made by hundreds of thousands people of colour whose livelihood have been destroyed, AGAIN, for the righteous cause of course.

Same goes for attempted assaults, arson, property damage, over 40 people dead...

And all that in matter of 6 moths, my my, left really likes to work fast when it comes to ramping up atrocities.
You are lucky that those peons have overlords that regularly teach them how to mob someone without actually killing them.

Although, they do have their laps in logic, like trying to set a gas station on fire and committing to a lynch of a boy who brought fire extinguisher to the scene.

yea cause 6 months of protesting against blatantly racist policing that leads to HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of deaths of PoC at the hands of police where the rest of the entired white nation is more concerned with a target getting burned down than they are about the police brutally murdering people every single day is TOTALLY comparable to a terrorist insurrectionist assault on our nations capital, the dozens of mass shootings for bullshit like "I hate gays" and trying to send pipe bombs to obama and pelosi because "Own the libs"

If you really actually gave two flying shits about people in this nation other than yourself you'd stop listening to shitstains like tucker carlson cry about dr seuss and start demanding your republican congresspeople why EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM voted against the covid relief bill. AND THEN TURNED AROUND AND STARTED BRAGGING ABOUT HOW ITS GONNA HELP EVERYONE.

also just for the record almost as many people froze to death in texas in less than a week thanks to republican horseshit "STATES RIGHTS" policy to line their own pockets than died during the entirety of the black lives matter protests even if you don't question how many of those deaths should be directly attributed to the protests.

but no. keep telling me how the left is the extremist problem party or how theyre even comparable.

6 months of protest begging the cops to just stop murdering black people at random MAYBE led directly or indirectly to the death of 19 people

5 days of freezing weather killed 15 people because a bunch of fucking republicans wanted to save some money and not have to do bare basic maintenance and weatherization upgrades to the texas power grid knowing full well this was going to happen like it does every 3-4 years when theres a major weather event in texas.

People on the left werent threatening to lynch trump when he got elected or blow up the white house

How many mobs had caricatures of obama being linched when he got elected?

How many violent attempted overthrows of the government were there when biden got elected?

did either of those things happen when trump or bush got elected? even though bush LITERALLY stole the election from gore.

Stop with this both sides bullshit. Democrats have plenty of problems. Hillary clinton is the physical amalgamation of everything wrong with politics and pelosi should have been kicked out and forcibly retired a decade ago.

But at the end of the day the most extreme aspects of the left, as rare as they are, get shut down and silenced by the left. If someone comes out with some extreme bullshit like "Force churches to have gay weddings" The left tells them to shut up

when the right has psychos screaming conspiracy theories about false flag operations murdering kids during school shootings and mother fucking JEWISH SPACE LASERS. they elect them to congress

but keep telling me how theyre exactly the same or that the left is actually worse.

Those aren't my people, but on internet everyone can hear you, and I am tired of western leftist acting with such sense of superiority, especially when it puts them into a state of delusion that they can do no wrong.

Ah yeah, people freezing in Texas, how could nobody predicted that.
Wait what? California is on fire again? How could this happen again?

"How many mobs had caricatures of obama being linched when he got elected?"

Kathy Griffin - enough said

"How many violent attempted overthrows of the government were there when biden got elected?
did either of those things happen when trump or bush got elected?"

I would count wasting time with muh russia bs and never ending impeachment that ultimately means nothing as much worse.
This unsavory tour could be put to shame by gangs of fans setting a fight after their football game.
At least those did not intervene with the government for 4 years, and they will pay for that, unlike certain others.

"But at the end of the day the most extreme aspects of the left, as rare as they are, get shut down and silenced by the left. If someone comes out with some extreme bullshit like "Force churches to have gay weddings" The left tells them to shut up"

No

Bake the cake, bigot

"Or I will mobilize my 1000 braindead supporters to mail boss so you will lose your job.

Maybe we will force your bank to shut down your account?

Maybe we will beat you to unconsciousness cause you didn't sieg... I mean, cause you did not raise your fist like an obedient dog you are supposed to be?

Maybe when you are homeless and broken, you will see the light and join the right cause.

We certainly aren't radicalising anyone, neither in our own groups or people we choose to persecute, oh no no."

So please, keep telling my like everyone right of Stalin is literally Hitler.

well if the fascist shoes fit and the people continue to use literal actual fascist nazi call signs, logos, and chants.

but please keep telling me how a right wing-led march of torch wielding nazis literally chanting "Jews will not replace us" or CPAC having their state intentionally shaped like a symbol who's only meaning is to be a direct replacement for the swastikas all while the entire right wing continues to this day to perpetuate anti jewish sentiment while trying to overthrow legitimate democratic systems isnt fascist nazi behavior.

telling you to wear masks to save peoples lives isnt fucking fascism.

inciting a violent insurrection to attempt to overthrow a legitimate election is.

Ah yes, because antifa being spiritual successors of communist rioters planted by ZSRR and BLM appropriating literal fascist symbol of a raised fist.
Well well well if the shoe fucking fits...

It's only violent insurrection when they do it, am I right?
And since when it's bad anyway to rise against the injustice anyway?
Or maybe trump supporters should have burned police station or a church, that would make it "positive action in favor of change" in your view, wouldn't it?

Oh now I get it, they didn't burned any property that belongs to racial minorities, I forgot it's important part of any left wing protest.

How the fuck is murdering a woman with a car and being a torch wielding mob screaming "Jews will not replace us" Rising up against injustice?

unless you're also a nazi piece of shit that actually thinks jewish people somehow control the world and that theyre inferior to you and deserve to die.

if you actually think for a fucking second instead of being a brainwashed piece of shit youd realize that

People of color protesting cops murdering them extrajudicially =/= a bunch of literal nazis screaming anti-jewish insanity and trying to murder congress people in the congressional building.

Frankly

I'm perfectly fucking ok with BLM burning down some buildings. they should have burned a fucking town down. If the law isn't going to protect them and just lets cops murder them in their own homes when they're not doing a god damn thing and not get punished for it; when almost half of the entire fucking country doesn't seem to care that they're being murdered by the people SUPPOSEDLY supposed to protect citizens, then why the fuck should they care about anyone else's properly.

in one of Martin Luther King's best speeches, one of the ones the mainstream doesn't like to talk about because they even whitewash the civil rights movement, he says that "riots and violence are the last, desperate voice of the unheard and oppressed."

POC football players can't kneel during football games because its "Disrespectful to the troops" (Even though its fucking not, they fucking ASKED MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY if it was a problem, and it only became one when fucking fox news added it to the culture war argument). "Shut up and dribble" Sound familiar?
PoC celebraties cant use their platform to talk about it cause they're being 'divisive'
We can't have a real conversation about it in politics because, according to the right wing, Racism has been completely eradicated. we had 1 black president! That means that there CANT be any racism, right?!

So what the fuck else are they supposed to do?

But these fucking right wingers already HAVE everything. They aren't getting violent cause no one is listening. every time some right winger gets "Canceled" They get to go on every fucking news show in existence screaming about how no one can hear them and politicians talk about it for MONTHS. Fucking. LITERAL TRAITOROUS TERRORISTS THAT HELPED MURDER A POLICE OFFICER ON JANUARY 6TH Got to fucking leave the COUNTRY while theyre waiting for trial to go on a fucking vacation to mexico. Kyle rittenhouse gets to give false documentation to the courts lying about where he actually is after he's already been censured by the court twice for bad behavior and being a flight risk. But people like Breonna Taylor cant sleep in their own fucking home without getting shot to death by police lying to get a fake warrant to assault the WRONG HOUSE without announcing themselves. And the only charge brought up on any of those people was one cop got POSSIBLY charged with reckless endangerment. Not for murdering Taylor, but because some of his bullets COULD have gone thru the walls into a neighboring home.

but yes. keep telling me how white america has it so fucking bad they need to murder people at night clubs or send pipe bombs to politicians.

but an entire chunk of the population that our police routinely MURDER and get away with scott free cant fight literally just for the right to not get murdered by the fucking cops.

If you don't see a double standard here then you're either an idiot or you never had any intention of having a legitimate conversation in the first place. IF you're just gonna keep spouting the same talking point bullshit then just dont fucking respond to me.

For all of its faults, everything the left wants to do would at the end of the day make things better for EVERYONE. even right wingers.

Green energy would create new jobs and reduce pollution
Medicare for all would give everyone BETTER healthcare for LESS money
Student loan debt forgiveness would help millions of people better their lives after not being burdened by blatantly predatory loans of wildly overinflated college prices.
$15 minimum wage would raise most of the lower class individuals in the nation out of poverty and make single moms stop having to work four jobs to support their families.

You can argue all day long about if its economically sound or not. thats a legit conversation I'm ok with having

but fucking tell me what does the right actually stand for? What have they actually tried to do in the last 20 years?

start 2 endless wars
tax cuts for the rich multiple times
ban gay marriage
ban abortion
deregulate everything so companies can make more money
and scream about cancel culture and dr seuss

Literally everything theyve tried to do in the last 20 years does nothing but make things worse for people in this nation.

can you even name a single thing that republicans have fought for in 20 years that actually helped average americans? ACTUALLY helped them not some bullshit fairy tale "Trickle down economics" Bullshit about letting jeff bezos have 20trillion dollars means he might give me a dollar an hour raise after ten years.

"Frankly

I'm perfectly fucking ok with BLM burning down some (black owned, you forgot about that) buildings. they should have burned a fucking (majorly non white) town down. If the law isn't going to protect them and just lets cops murder (who cares, you don't, since you say fuck the law) them in their own homes when they're not doing a god damn thing and not get punished for it (initial court-case haven't even ended, so again stop acting like you fuckign care about the law); when almost half of the entire fucking country doesn't seem to care that they're being murdered (again, it's yet to be decided if it was murder) by the people SUPPOSEDLY supposed to protect citizens, then why the fuck should they care about anyone else's properly."

Then perish, because that's what is going to happen when all you do is promote violence, at some point you are going to push your "righteous crusade" upon someone who won't step away.
At this point people will riot even when black person kills HIMSELF in public with HIS OWN GUN.


Oh no, those poor fucking cops daring to RETURN FIRE BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING SHOT FROM INSIDE OF THE HOUSE AFTER KNOCKING ON THE DOOR.
So maybe she should have not be standing AWAKE right behind a numpty that decided to OPEN FIRE ON THE COPS FIRST.

Or Kyle's refusal to dox himself, don't act like hyenas you are don't want this only to slaughter him for daring to defend himself from rabid mob.
You don't fucking care about the law.


"In one of Martin Luther King's best speeches, one of the ones the mainstream doesn't like to talk about because they even whitewash the civil rights movement, he says that "riots and violence are the last, desperate voice of the unheard and oppressed.""

Say the full quote you fucking deceptive snake, I dare you.


"Green energy would create new jobs and reduce pollution"

And yet it's green flies that oppose much better option of nuclear energy...

"Medicare for all would give everyone BETTER healthcare for LESS money"

Wrong again as its proven by numerous countries where "government funded" healthcare is worse than nothing, have fun waiting and praying, cause that's all you can do unless you have money.
Remove corporatism from this sector

"Student loan debt forgiveness would help millions of people better their lives after not being burdened by blatantly predatory loans of wildly overinflated college prices."

Student loan interest removal - yes

"$15 minimum wage would raise most of the lower class individuals in the nation out of poverty and make single moms stop having to work four jobs to support their families."

Way to kill entry level jobs, while not doing anything to hurt the big players again.

But yeah, keep telling me like a blind mindless idiot you are that it's "white" america that is the problem, whatever "white" means today.
If you are going to spew more typical bulshit propaganda that makes conspiracy theories look real and reasonable, then don't bother.
I've seen enough of reality warping from you.
Keep voting for people who will fuck you over.
I will enjoy next 4 years of comedy show that is democrat USA.

"America has failed to hear that large segments of the white community are more concerned with tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality and humanity." Sounds pretty fuckin familiar.

https://twitter.com/TheKingCenter/s.....08254984982529

Y'all sure do love thinking you know what MLK actually stood for when all you've ever heard is him whitewashed and taken out of context.

"Certain conditions continue to exist in our society, which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard."

condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots

condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots

Fucking snake

completely ignoring the entire rest of what he said to take one specific part out of context

just like you want to condemn the riots while completely ignoring and not even acknowledging what theyre fighting for

This is why you're on the wrong side of history you dumbass

you only listen to the parts of things that you want to hear. Speeches, news, society itself

you completely ignore the parts that arent DIRECTLY involving you

thats why dipshits like you think racism doesnt exist, why you think theres no income inequality. Why you think the cops CANT POSSIBLY be murdering black people

because it doesnt happen to you

and you cant POSSIBLY fathom that anyone has a different life from you because you can't be bothered to have a single fucking shred of empathy for anyone but you and yours. you and people like you are fucking disgusting. you're the type of person that sees a starving, homeless man on the street and, AT BEST, would 'pray for god to help him' and not give a single fucking thought beyond that to maybe helping him yourself or at least understanding how he got there. More likely you'd probably think hes gross and start judging him thinking hes just some fuckin drug addict thats too lazy to get a job because you cant possibly fathom that he might have had a harder time in his life than you have.

you and people like you are sick disgusting amoral pieces of shit. and whats worse is you ACT like you're not. you act like you're the morally righteous ones that are standing for the good of humanity.

As you attack the LGBTQ+ community and call them perverts and monsters and psychos and rapists and pedophiles you act like you're the one that cares about everyone

As you call people of color lazy, gangsters, hood rats, and losers while acting like you're the one thats helping drive the economy and ensure america's fake prosperity

The type of person that would call the cops on a homeless person that was outside on the sidewalk because you didnt want them near your yard but proclaims yourself a god-loving, devout christian following the word of jesus christ.

You think you're always right and the best among us because you cant conceive of a world where you're wrong about ANYTHING. people like you would literally let the entire world burn down and fall to ruin than admit that maybe, JUST MAYBE, you don't fucking know everything there is to know and that someone, somewhere, might know more about something than you do.

you're a monster.

everyone like you is a monster.

And if there is a god, then I'm sure hes saving a special place in hell for people like you as punishment for making this world worse through your intolerance and stubborn ignorance.

You should step aside from that mirror, because for sure you are not speaking to or about me.

Your maliciousness and pure manipulation of reality could not been more apparent.

Go on, live and fight in your imaginary world of oppression and rampaging fascism, but don't come back crying when reality crashes down on you and people you claim to represent will come for you.

Because you are not fighting for LGBT PEOPLE

Because you are not fighting for PEOPLE of colour

With every brick you throw, every building burned, every life destroyed you set their cause 10 years back, all around the world.

YOUR LOGIC MADE US TO BE MONSTERS RIGHT WAS STRAWMANNING US TO BE.

So stop attributing your own label on me.

Even if it's all your types do.

Project.

Don't tell me you question hard facts like the earth being round not flat.

I don't question actual facts. I also don't question long-ago disproven pseudoscience like phrenology, phlogiston, and orgone.

Its an actual fact evolution exists and the earth is more than 3,000 years old and that T-rexes werent "hunted to extinction"

to be clear, stuff like mercury and species going extinct are pretty much as close to climate change policy as you can get, since both tie directly into the effects of coal extraction

I love coming back to this 8 months later and reading through the comments furious that someone dared question the mantra.

I'd remind those people It's the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought, without accepting it.

It's also easier to convince someone of a lie than that they've been lied to.
that's human psychology.

If you don't want to discuss something that's one thing, not everyone shares the same passions and I understand people who are apolitical, or lacking the understanding required to really delve into such deep subject matter.

Now that being said, when you don't want something discussed at all, by anyone, it's likely because you're afraid.

Afraid of what? I don't know that's a good question but my instinct is to wager that you're afraid you might be wrong.

Alternatively you might be arrogant enough to exclude the possibility you might be wrong and in your human pride driven hubris angry someone doesn't care about ego only data.

This is the result of a society that polarizes people at every opportunity and politicizes every question that could be asked. Unfortunately I don't have a proper personal panacea for cognitive dissonance other than to try to make people more aware of the fact it exists in the first place.

The first sign that you might be suffering from such an ailment is if you get emotional about science.

Science is unbias, it doesn't care about morality, it doesn't care about ego hubris or pride, it cares only about reality. It helps explain the world around us to the rest through the process of observation, theory crafting and rigorous testing to repeat results.

Anyone who is more than 20 years old can tell you that the climate has changed, the argument is as to why? Anyone who tries to convince you that question has been answered in completion should have no trouble proving it through not only theory. Unfortunately the entire argument for man made global warming relies on an untested hypothesis which could never be observed, a deception by design as "the length of time required to produce results is longer than humans could have ever observed" that's not science.

Science requires one to make an observation, form a hypothesis, test your hypothesis with an experiment, analyze the data of your experiment and report your results, which then go on to get tested rigorously by your peers to be sure they yield the same results.

If you take that final step and start shouting settled science or conspiracy theorist you are not a scientist you're a charlatan shaming the term science all together.

Simple as.