Tree of Life - Book 0 pg. 40.
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This page marks the end of this story chapter. And it didn't end as most of you expected I suppose. Tristan couldn't do what the Tree of Life encouraged him. Everyone has to make their own decisions, and sadly Luna couldn't do it for him. She did open Tristan's eyes, but he was too weak to break out of the prison of pressure. He did live his whole life in there after all. But I'm sure it's not a big spoiler if I say we'll meet Tristan again soon enough :)
Next week a new prologue starts, and I hope you are just as excited about it as I am :D We are progressing quite nicely with the prologues. But there are still a few characters left to meet and get to know ;)
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This page marks the end of this story chapter. And it didn't end as most of you expected I suppose. Tristan couldn't do what the Tree of Life encouraged him. Everyone has to make their own decisions, and sadly Luna couldn't do it for him. She did open Tristan's eyes, but he was too weak to break out of the prison of pressure. He did live his whole life in there after all. But I'm sure it's not a big spoiler if I say we'll meet Tristan again soon enough :)
Next week a new prologue starts, and I hope you are just as excited about it as I am :D We are progressing quite nicely with the prologues. But there are still a few characters left to meet and get to know ;)
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You ever been manipulated? I guess not.
If after what he knows and been through and advice from a goddes that gave him the straight up truth, he still goes back? That's his own fault!
Been in his situation myself when I was younger and I didn't get the advice or help he got. And still pushed that button when it came to me.
So no ...
As to answer your question: "Adhd, autistic, abused and misused ... " Shall I contineu?
If after what he knows and been through and advice from a goddes that gave him the straight up truth, he still goes back? That's his own fault!
Been in his situation myself when I was younger and I didn't get the advice or help he got. And still pushed that button when it came to me.
So no ...
As to answer your question: "Adhd, autistic, abused and misused ... " Shall I contineu?
Bruh, I get if it was like, a friend or family member that said it. But this was LITERALY god. She knew his name and everything about him instantly. You telling me if Jesus or Poseidon or whatever patron of your beliefs showed up and was all "man, you should probably cut that out", you wouldn't listen?
My point is that your stance is fucked up. But it's well-known that some of the worst gatekeepers and detractors to victims of abuse were also victims themselves, so at least you're statistical. I'm honestly sorry your experiences made you turn out this way, and I hope you get better in the future.
Honestly, I've read that first sentence like, 6 times, and I think your attempt to use buzz words took away from the structure. Like when a little kid goes ham on the thesaurus usage in an essay to make themselves sound smarter, but they make it impossible to read. But the sentiment is nice. I hope you get better, too. I mean, it is well-known that people to go from zero to one hundred when confronted by an opinion different to their different to their own also need to chill.
To be fair, she didn't outright tell him to leave. She said "Do not let your friends prevent you from being who you are". And who is that? Does he even know?
So maybe he needs to think about it for a while and figure it out for himself. Maybe he is taking it seriously. From an outsider's perspective reading the story, it is easy to see the answer right away. But he can't see or hear them behind the scenes, and he's a young child who probably didn't connect the dots right away. But hopefully, as he grows and matures, he'll understand her words.
Life is like a plant, a seed. It can take time for something you plant to grow and bear fruit. Rome wasn't built in a day. Character growth takes time. I would say the sign that he doesn't fully get it right away is a sign of good writing rather than bad.
Also, I would hate one mistake I made as a child due to not understanding everything in the universe to be held against me for the rest of my life, wouldn't you?
So maybe he needs to think about it for a while and figure it out for himself. Maybe he is taking it seriously. From an outsider's perspective reading the story, it is easy to see the answer right away. But he can't see or hear them behind the scenes, and he's a young child who probably didn't connect the dots right away. But hopefully, as he grows and matures, he'll understand her words.
Life is like a plant, a seed. It can take time for something you plant to grow and bear fruit. Rome wasn't built in a day. Character growth takes time. I would say the sign that he doesn't fully get it right away is a sign of good writing rather than bad.
Also, I would hate one mistake I made as a child due to not understanding everything in the universe to be held against me for the rest of my life, wouldn't you?
Well
Comito, this just proved it. They kept using him till he joins The Guardians... As an Adult. And he's, what? Twelve Years old give or take? Some "Character Development" they'll have, eh, mentally abusing Tristan for much of his life? I think he was Twenty Eight by the events of the main story, if I can guess? Or was it Twenty Two? I dunno, it's still quite a Long time!
Seriously, even I knew they were never going to develop beyond "Manipulative Schmucks who Trick Nice Guys into being their Patsy", and I have been wrong on characters before... Though parts of that can come from Authors suddenly changing tack on a character halfway through a story (it has happened before and it's rather annoying), but much is because said characters that good at Faking being nice/evil (the option depends on the character's shown alignment on their appearance), or I made the mistake of ignoring my Sixth Sense.
Either way? This is why I don't like getting talked down for "Wanting Violence on a Character". I end up getting proven right, and it's quite Frustrating.
And On that Note, I think I am long overdue for a Lizard hide Jacket and Trousers. *Pulls out a Malorian Arms 3516 and Performs a Swift Brasscheck.* Maybe a Rat-Pelt Cape while I am at it? I already have a good Holster for this baby. *Holsters Gun.*
Comito, this just proved it. They kept using him till he joins The Guardians... As an Adult. And he's, what? Twelve Years old give or take? Some "Character Development" they'll have, eh, mentally abusing Tristan for much of his life? I think he was Twenty Eight by the events of the main story, if I can guess? Or was it Twenty Two? I dunno, it's still quite a Long time!Seriously, even I knew they were never going to develop beyond "Manipulative Schmucks who Trick Nice Guys into being their Patsy", and I have been wrong on characters before... Though parts of that can come from Authors suddenly changing tack on a character halfway through a story (it has happened before and it's rather annoying), but much is because said characters that good at Faking being nice/evil (the option depends on the character's shown alignment on their appearance), or I made the mistake of ignoring my Sixth Sense.
Either way? This is why I don't like getting talked down for "Wanting Violence on a Character". I end up getting proven right, and it's quite Frustrating.
And On that Note, I think I am long overdue for a Lizard hide Jacket and Trousers. *Pulls out a Malorian Arms 3516 and Performs a Swift Brasscheck.* Maybe a Rat-Pelt Cape while I am at it? I already have a good Holster for this baby. *Holsters Gun.*
No Tristan, dont fall for it! Remember what happened in the past when the "heists" of the gang dindt go as planned! They always gave you the shit for it! Dont let them fool you by playing nice now. They surely will use the next chance to thread you like dirt again and thats no family.
Listen to what Luna said to you. You deserve something better than them. You can have a better life. But you need to get rid of false friends and family to do so.
Like Morpheus said to Neo: "I can only show you the door, go through is something your need to do yourself." (I hope i translated that right...)
Listen to what Luna said to you. You deserve something better than them. You can have a better life. But you need to get rid of false friends and family to do so.
Like Morpheus said to Neo: "I can only show you the door, go through is something your need to do yourself." (I hope i translated that right...)
I hope the people in the comments saying they don't have pity for Tristan anymore remember he's just a kid and looks to be the youngest in this bunch. Also unfortunately the chickens can't exactly fall in the role of parental protector here to sway him from these guys. He's on his own here. Poor guy.
It reminds me of the Russian saying "Boiling water softens the potato but hardens the egg". People are built differently and react differently to certain kids of pressure because of it, but neither is inferior. Just different.
Some people thrive with support, and others need sheer independence. Both kids of people are needed in this world.
Some people thrive with support, and others need sheer independence. Both kids of people are needed in this world.
Actually, I have been in such a relationship.
And broke it off on the first try, rather abruptly at massive cost to my abuser, once I figured out what was going on...
It happens... And frankly always 'should' happen in my opinion if someone has any semblance of respect for their own well being...
And broke it off on the first try, rather abruptly at massive cost to my abuser, once I figured out what was going on...
It happens... And frankly always 'should' happen in my opinion if someone has any semblance of respect for their own well being...
Gaslighting doesn't work that way. Without fail, gaslighting victims will return to their abusers 100% of the time without outside help of some kind. Nobody escapes gaslighting on their own, nobody recognizes it on their own, nobody can fight back against it on their own. You don't escape it, you're rescued from it or it's the only thing you have to cling to.
Tristan had nobody there to rescue him from it, so he went back to the only thing he had to cling to.
Tristan had nobody there to rescue him from it, so he went back to the only thing he had to cling to.
............... Right, if you're going to go that route, you can absolutely go to hell.
You're the one that has no idea what the hell they are talking about if you're going about TELLING abuse victims that they have never been abused without knowing ANY details...
You don't know me, you don't know my fucking story.
You have no right to say what you just did.
You're the one that has no idea what the hell they are talking about if you're going about TELLING abuse victims that they have never been abused without knowing ANY details...
You don't know me, you don't know my fucking story.
You have no right to say what you just did.
People just politely tried to tell you how an abusive relationship USUALLY works. I'm happy you could escape from it, but in the perspective of the comic it's needed to be happen that way. Nobody tried to be rude with you and it's not about you. I would politely ask you when next time you write any comment be more patient with others and see others perspectives.
I see other perspectives just fine, I simply disagree with what I consider harmful misinformation that might prevent others from taking action of their own volition..
I didn't try to tell someone what they went through wasn't abuse, and never would.
The user above DID, I take great OFFENSE to that.
There was nothing polite about what SnowblindOtter specifically said.
They talk about gaslighting, then respond WITH form of gaslighting when someone DARES to disagree with them..
Write about controversial subject matter, expect conflicting opinions.
Sorry if I caused any unpleasantness, but I'm not about to sit here and be told what I lived through wasn't real.
I didn't try to tell someone what they went through wasn't abuse, and never would.
The user above DID, I take great OFFENSE to that.
There was nothing polite about what SnowblindOtter specifically said.
They talk about gaslighting, then respond WITH form of gaslighting when someone DARES to disagree with them..
Write about controversial subject matter, expect conflicting opinions.
Sorry if I caused any unpleasantness, but I'm not about to sit here and be told what I lived through wasn't real.
The problem is that your experience was not typical, and you're going around acting like because you were able to do something, that it should be expected of others. That's not how it works. I don't know what your situation was, but with how you describe it as "I left once I figured out what was going on", it sounds like you recognized red flags relatively early on and knew when to duck out. Which--and I mean this with the utmost sincerity--good for you! However, it's really not realistic to expect anyone else to do that, and pushing that expectation shows a lack of understanding of the complexities of abuse dynamics and borders on victim-blaming. Such expectations are actually harmful, because many abuse victims already blame themselves and feel so much guilt and shame, and going around being all "I did it all on my own, so should you/others" just invokes more guilt, more shame, and that causes people to be even less likely to reach out and ask for help.
The other person is probably an abuse victim as well, so while yes, they don't have a right to tell you what you went through wasn't abuse, realize that you probably hit a very sensitive nerve.
I also think there might be a bit of a misunderstanding in terms of the whole gaslighting thing. If a person is able to see gaslighting for what it is in the moment, then that means their abuser is attempting to gaslight them, but not succeeding. This is an important distinction, because people who have been successfully gaslit do not act the same way as people who can see it being attempted and stand their ground against it. If you were the latter, that's a valuable thing. But a lot of people who find themselves in abusive friendships and romantic relationships are people who have already been abused before, and/or suffer from mental illness, and/or are otherwise vulnerable in some other way (like Tristan here is extremely vulnerable because he is only a child, with no family and is otherwise homeless). Instead of expecting others to do what you did, instead try to see things from the point of view of someone who has suffered that sort of abuse for much, much longer, who has really had their sense of self chipped away at. Display a bit more empathy and recognize that your experience and circumstances are very much not universal.
The other person is probably an abuse victim as well, so while yes, they don't have a right to tell you what you went through wasn't abuse, realize that you probably hit a very sensitive nerve.
I also think there might be a bit of a misunderstanding in terms of the whole gaslighting thing. If a person is able to see gaslighting for what it is in the moment, then that means their abuser is attempting to gaslight them, but not succeeding. This is an important distinction, because people who have been successfully gaslit do not act the same way as people who can see it being attempted and stand their ground against it. If you were the latter, that's a valuable thing. But a lot of people who find themselves in abusive friendships and romantic relationships are people who have already been abused before, and/or suffer from mental illness, and/or are otherwise vulnerable in some other way (like Tristan here is extremely vulnerable because he is only a child, with no family and is otherwise homeless). Instead of expecting others to do what you did, instead try to see things from the point of view of someone who has suffered that sort of abuse for much, much longer, who has really had their sense of self chipped away at. Display a bit more empathy and recognize that your experience and circumstances are very much not universal.
I like you.. You're rational.. :P
Now that you say that I can see how my statement may have been misinterpreted..
To clarify, no.. I it wasn't an immediate thing.. I didn't realize in the moment it was happening.
And in fact it went on for quite some time.
I just came to the realization of what was going on eventually on my own, nobody helped me out of it because frankly it was an aspect of my life I kept hidden from family and people I knew.
I was alone.
I also merely feel like people need to stick up for themselves, because you're not always going to have someone there to save you...
I didn't.. My mother didn't... Numerous people I've known over the course of my life didn't...
The only person that is there 100% of the time is yourself.. The only person you can always rely on is you...
I simply think others would benefit from realizing that instead of waiting for help that will probably never come.
I don't blame any victim for anything... I just tend to take the cold water to face "wake up!" approach.. As in my experience being gentle about it rarely accomplishes anything, for better or worse.
Being subtle about this kind of thing isn't exactly my strong point, as that's not how I've lived my life. Simple as that.
Now that you say that I can see how my statement may have been misinterpreted..
To clarify, no.. I it wasn't an immediate thing.. I didn't realize in the moment it was happening.
And in fact it went on for quite some time.
I just came to the realization of what was going on eventually on my own, nobody helped me out of it because frankly it was an aspect of my life I kept hidden from family and people I knew.
I was alone.
I also merely feel like people need to stick up for themselves, because you're not always going to have someone there to save you...
I didn't.. My mother didn't... Numerous people I've known over the course of my life didn't...
The only person that is there 100% of the time is yourself.. The only person you can always rely on is you...
I simply think others would benefit from realizing that instead of waiting for help that will probably never come.
I don't blame any victim for anything... I just tend to take the cold water to face "wake up!" approach.. As in my experience being gentle about it rarely accomplishes anything, for better or worse.
Being subtle about this kind of thing isn't exactly my strong point, as that's not how I've lived my life. Simple as that.
I didn't say what they went through wasn't really abuse, I said they know nothing of real abuse.
If I wanted to attack them personally, I would have called them out on the fact that they appear to be lying for attention, because that's what that level of bravado and aggression in their comments screams as bright as day. Instead, I decided to take the stance that while they may have experienced abuse in the past, they have not endured the level of psychological torture that is shown here, that I sincerely hope they do not because(as somebody who has seen and experienced it) I wouldn't wish that suffering on anyone, and advised them to seek counseling for any underlying issues they may have since I personally don't believe that any mental or emotional issue should be left unaddressed.
If I wanted to attack them personally, I would have called them out on the fact that they appear to be lying for attention, because that's what that level of bravado and aggression in their comments screams as bright as day. Instead, I decided to take the stance that while they may have experienced abuse in the past, they have not endured the level of psychological torture that is shown here, that I sincerely hope they do not because(as somebody who has seen and experienced it) I wouldn't wish that suffering on anyone, and advised them to seek counseling for any underlying issues they may have since I personally don't believe that any mental or emotional issue should be left unaddressed.
You said they have no idea what abuse feels like. The implication is that what they went through wasn't abuse, or in your words now, "real abuse". Abuse is abuse, no matter the type or severity. I mean, this isn't a competition. I do agree with you to an extent though, they really don't seem to understand the level of abuse that's being portrayed. It could be because they haven't experienced that particular kind...or it could be that they're in deniable about the extent they were affected by whatever happened to them. Or a myriad of other things. We just don't know. Either way, their approach is all wrong. Which I did take the time to explain to them in detail. Whether they listen or not is up to them.
Still, "You don't know real abuse" isn't really a good thing to tell someone, it's just dismissive, and it's something that abusive people tend to say to their victims to downplay the abuse they're perpetuating. I know that wasn't your intent behind it at all, but it's always good to be mindful of the words we choose when it comes to these sorts of things, you know?
And you're right, they definitely should seek counseling, if that's something they have access to. Honestly, with how this year has been...probably everyone should seek counseling.
Still, "You don't know real abuse" isn't really a good thing to tell someone, it's just dismissive, and it's something that abusive people tend to say to their victims to downplay the abuse they're perpetuating. I know that wasn't your intent behind it at all, but it's always good to be mindful of the words we choose when it comes to these sorts of things, you know?
And you're right, they definitely should seek counseling, if that's something they have access to. Honestly, with how this year has been...probably everyone should seek counseling.
Some people don't have respect for themselves because of years of abuse and gaslighting.
I'm glad you could do it yourself, but that doesn't mean you have to go it alone anymore, or that people should be looked down upon because they couldn't do it your way.
You went it alone, and you came out on top. That is wonderful. Doesn't that make you want to make sure no one should have to suffer the way you did ever again, all alone without help?
I'm glad you could do it yourself, but that doesn't mean you have to go it alone anymore, or that people should be looked down upon because they couldn't do it your way.
You went it alone, and you came out on top. That is wonderful. Doesn't that make you want to make sure no one should have to suffer the way you did ever again, all alone without help?
Never said I look down on anyone for needing help...
I’m just saying don’t EXPECT help.. Because this world is astonishingly broken and there’s a good chance you won’t GET help..
There will be times, regardless of anyone’s intentions, that the only person that can help you is you.. :/
I’m just saying don’t EXPECT help.. Because this world is astonishingly broken and there’s a good chance you won’t GET help..
There will be times, regardless of anyone’s intentions, that the only person that can help you is you.. :/
The Tree could have given him all the encouragement in the world for all it mattered, and Tristan would have still gone back in to them, because she didn't give him the one thing that would have saved him from it.
No amount of encouragement can save you when the only friends you have are the ones abusing you.
No amount of encouragement can save you when the only friends you have are the ones abusing you.
i see this, and i read some of the comments, and it brought to mind the old Song by Kenny Rodgers, Coward of the Country
"The Gatlin boys just laughed at him when he walked into the bar room
One of them got up and met him half way cross the floor
When Tommy turned around they said, "Hey look! Old Yellow's leaving"
But you could've heard a pin drop when Tommy stopped and locked the door
Twenty years of crawling was bottled up inside him
He wasn't holding nothing back, he let 'em have it all
When Tommy left the bar room, not a Gatlin boy was standing"
please let this be the case!!!
"The Gatlin boys just laughed at him when he walked into the bar room
One of them got up and met him half way cross the floor
When Tommy turned around they said, "Hey look! Old Yellow's leaving"
But you could've heard a pin drop when Tommy stopped and locked the door
Twenty years of crawling was bottled up inside him
He wasn't holding nothing back, he let 'em have it all
When Tommy left the bar room, not a Gatlin boy was standing"
please let this be the case!!!
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Young Fred Savage: "I'm telling you, you're messing up the story! Now get it right!"
Please tell me that by the time the main story starts, the 3 abusers are going to look old and unkempt and have completely let themselves go. Please tell me that they'll be the kind of people who you take one look at and think, "Boy, how can anyone ever let themselves become degraded to that sorry state?"
Please tell me that by the time the main story starts, the 3 abusers are going to look old and unkempt and have completely let themselves go. Please tell me that they'll be the kind of people who you take one look at and think, "Boy, how can anyone ever let themselves become degraded to that sorry state?"
Ouch this page got heated comments quickly...but also not surprised. It's a tough topic really...but I myself am NOT surprised he stayed...escaping this sort of thing is NOT as easy as people seem to think it is. I myself am lucky I've never dealt with this sort of thing, but I know people who have...some never escape....and it takes years for those that do..like this character here I'm sure.
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