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Hello welcome to more studies of bang tech. These are some sketches of the Seecamp LWS-32.
The Seecamp LWS-32 and its predecessor the LWS-25 were created to not only fulfill a gap created by the Gun Control Act of 1968 in the US market which limited the importation of certain firearms, but also to take advantage of certain improvements in ammunition during the late 70's and early 80's. Designed specifically for the task of self-defense and deep concealment it was created to chamber what is considered by many to be the smallest cartridge for useful self-defense in the smallest possible pistol. The 32ACP also known as the 7.65x17mm
Also since the pistol was intended to used in primarily life and death situations it was designed to as reliable and as simple to use as possible. For that reason the weapon possesses no manual safety and instead counts on a long consistent trigger pull to prevent accidental discharges. Just as many people in law enforcement and personal defense have counted on double action revolvers.
Originally the Seecamp would only recommend the Winchester Silvertip 32ACP 65gr round for use in the LWS-32. In recent years other high quality 32ACP rounds have been added to the companies list approved ammo loads. While this might seem rather restrictive to the successful sale of the weapon this was hardly the case, and for more than a decade demand generally outstripped the production capacity of the small company. Also the restriction to a specific type or style ammunition was not unique to the LWS-32. For example early versions of the Ruger SP-101 were limited to 125gr ammunition specifically.
One of the other features about the LWS-32 that is rather polarizing is the deliberate lack on sights on the weapon. The philosophy of the Seecamp company is that the LWS-32 is designed self defense in CQB Close Quarter Battle situations. Under these circumstances the operator of the pistol will not the have time or be in a position to use sights anyways. Also sights might cause the weapon to snag while it is being quickly drawn. If more deliberate fire is required then one will have to use a Cirillo-style of silhouette shooting with this pistol. Which can be surprisingly effective anyways for pistol shooting in defensive situations.
Now due to obvious the demand for the Seecamp LWS-32, several other manufacturers have begun making similar pistols that are designed to compete for the LWS-32 share of the market. Ammunition manufacturers have begun to give more serious thought to developing rounds in not only 32ACP but also 380ACP and even 25ACP. Combined with the an increase in the number of states in US allowing CCW there US has been something of a renaissance of high quality pocket pistols.
The Seecamp LWS-32 and its predecessor the LWS-25 were created to not only fulfill a gap created by the Gun Control Act of 1968 in the US market which limited the importation of certain firearms, but also to take advantage of certain improvements in ammunition during the late 70's and early 80's. Designed specifically for the task of self-defense and deep concealment it was created to chamber what is considered by many to be the smallest cartridge for useful self-defense in the smallest possible pistol. The 32ACP also known as the 7.65x17mm
Also since the pistol was intended to used in primarily life and death situations it was designed to as reliable and as simple to use as possible. For that reason the weapon possesses no manual safety and instead counts on a long consistent trigger pull to prevent accidental discharges. Just as many people in law enforcement and personal defense have counted on double action revolvers.
Originally the Seecamp would only recommend the Winchester Silvertip 32ACP 65gr round for use in the LWS-32. In recent years other high quality 32ACP rounds have been added to the companies list approved ammo loads. While this might seem rather restrictive to the successful sale of the weapon this was hardly the case, and for more than a decade demand generally outstripped the production capacity of the small company. Also the restriction to a specific type or style ammunition was not unique to the LWS-32. For example early versions of the Ruger SP-101 were limited to 125gr ammunition specifically.
One of the other features about the LWS-32 that is rather polarizing is the deliberate lack on sights on the weapon. The philosophy of the Seecamp company is that the LWS-32 is designed self defense in CQB Close Quarter Battle situations. Under these circumstances the operator of the pistol will not the have time or be in a position to use sights anyways. Also sights might cause the weapon to snag while it is being quickly drawn. If more deliberate fire is required then one will have to use a Cirillo-style of silhouette shooting with this pistol. Which can be surprisingly effective anyways for pistol shooting in defensive situations.
Now due to obvious the demand for the Seecamp LWS-32, several other manufacturers have begun making similar pistols that are designed to compete for the LWS-32 share of the market. Ammunition manufacturers have begun to give more serious thought to developing rounds in not only 32ACP but also 380ACP and even 25ACP. Combined with the an increase in the number of states in US allowing CCW there US has been something of a renaissance of high quality pocket pistols.
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I have a north american arms gua rdian that looks really similar to this. and like you said, small, simple, easy to use. Kinda like a last resort of life and death. http://www.fsguns.com/_borders/grdcvr.jpg
Its very nice actually. Minimal moving parts, easy break down, only comes in stainless. To me though, its only drawback is its key feature, its tiny. If one ever needs to use it for self defense, it will have to be used at close range. But you got 9 chances before its empty. Awesome depiction by the way. You do some very nice work to say the least.
Yeah. Magazines with a capacity greater then ten rounds are also outlawed, as well as suppressors, and anything automatic. Also, it's virtually impossible to get a concealed carry licence up here—you basically have to be in witness protection to be issued one. I'm not happy about that, but I have to abide by it.
Something like 7 ounces. Insanely light... polymer frame, single-stack mag, 7+1. Eats Silvertips like candy, never had a single jam. The trigger pull isabout a mile long and out-of-the-box is mighty crunchy, but a little polishing compound mixed with grease chucked into the sear and a few hundred dry-fires slicked it right up.
One other thing you might find interesting. The P32 is not a blowback-style pistol... it is a Browning-pattern tilt-barrel, just like the good ol' 1911. That's part of why the P32 has not been a jam-magnet (the whole lower angle-of-insertion for the cartridge that a tilt-barrel arrangement provides).
Muzzle flip, yes. The recoil impulse is actually very mild (I mean, it IS only a .32), but the very short grip means that it likes to come up in the hand. Pocket pistols like this are actually quite comfortable to fire, it's the followup "two per customer, no waiting" that gets a little difficult without practice.
Bang-tap-rack is a little iffy with a pocket pistol of any sort, as your hand tends to end up in front of the muzzle during the "rack" part if you try to do it the same way as a fullsized pistol (swiping your hand across the top of the slide). With pocket pistols, you MUST learn to do the "rack" part as "pinch and pull".
Because the P32 has nicely grooved sides of the slide, pinch-racking is no issue.
Because the P32 has nicely grooved sides of the slide, pinch-racking is no issue.
Recoil is strictly a matter of energy... Newton, action-reaction, all that. Unlike "muzzle energy", which is kinetic energy (1/2 M * V * V), recoil is inertia (M * V). Bullet weight matters more than velocity in recoil, unlike muzzle energy (in which velocity is more important than bullet weight).
Felt recoil also takes into account the weight of the gun. A lighter gun will be accelerated more quickly in the hand than a heavier gun, which is why a Barrett .50-cal has less FELT recoil than a modern ultra-light .30-06... the Barrett rifle weighs fivetimes as much (30 pounds vs. 6 pounds), but the .50-cal only generates four times as much energy (same muzzle velocity of about 2700FPS, but the .30-06 is typically a 180-grain bullet while the .50-cal is 750 grains... about 4 times the energy of the .30-06), therefore felt recoil of the Barret is 4 / 5 = only 80% of what a lightweight .30-06 will deliver to the shoulder. Add to that the fact that a .50-cal Barrett has a muzzle brake, and the .50 is a lot less punishing (albeit a LOT louder!).
Shorter barreled guns weigh less. This accounts for the increase in felt recoil, but not to the same degree that the light bullet weight and low velocity of a pocket-pistol decreases that same recoil.
Muzzle-flip takes into account geometry. A short barrel flips upwards more because the center of mass of the gun is very near the center of impulse. It's not much energy, but it's very very close to the pivot-point, and will therefore tend to turn the muzzle upwards more. Add to that a short grip that lets you only get one or two fingers (other than the trigger finger) on the gun to resist muzzle flip, and the muzzle ends up pointing at Mars. No big deal, you just need to learn how much movement is needed to bring the pistol back on-target for the bonus round (where all scores are doubled!).
It's important to remember that "belly guns" are not intended for shooting at long range. Excluding military actions, half of all shootings take place at a range of under 6 feet, and 90% are at less than 20 feet (FBI Uniform Crime Study 1986). For "mouse guns", the most effective way to use them is to literally shove them against the bad guy and fire. The expanding gasses from the muzzle enter the wound along with the bullet, enormously increase the stretch of the wound cavity, and cause at least as much damage as the projectile.
Felt recoil also takes into account the weight of the gun. A lighter gun will be accelerated more quickly in the hand than a heavier gun, which is why a Barrett .50-cal has less FELT recoil than a modern ultra-light .30-06... the Barrett rifle weighs fivetimes as much (30 pounds vs. 6 pounds), but the .50-cal only generates four times as much energy (same muzzle velocity of about 2700FPS, but the .30-06 is typically a 180-grain bullet while the .50-cal is 750 grains... about 4 times the energy of the .30-06), therefore felt recoil of the Barret is 4 / 5 = only 80% of what a lightweight .30-06 will deliver to the shoulder. Add to that the fact that a .50-cal Barrett has a muzzle brake, and the .50 is a lot less punishing (albeit a LOT louder!).
Shorter barreled guns weigh less. This accounts for the increase in felt recoil, but not to the same degree that the light bullet weight and low velocity of a pocket-pistol decreases that same recoil.
Muzzle-flip takes into account geometry. A short barrel flips upwards more because the center of mass of the gun is very near the center of impulse. It's not much energy, but it's very very close to the pivot-point, and will therefore tend to turn the muzzle upwards more. Add to that a short grip that lets you only get one or two fingers (other than the trigger finger) on the gun to resist muzzle flip, and the muzzle ends up pointing at Mars. No big deal, you just need to learn how much movement is needed to bring the pistol back on-target for the bonus round (where all scores are doubled!).
It's important to remember that "belly guns" are not intended for shooting at long range. Excluding military actions, half of all shootings take place at a range of under 6 feet, and 90% are at less than 20 feet (FBI Uniform Crime Study 1986). For "mouse guns", the most effective way to use them is to literally shove them against the bad guy and fire. The expanding gasses from the muzzle enter the wound along with the bullet, enormously increase the stretch of the wound cavity, and cause at least as much damage as the projectile.
Very true. However, using a SmartCarry ®, I can carry wearing a pair of running shorts. When I can't carry, it's because of metal detectors and other such frippery. The LWS-32 also fails at that point. It is a well-designed piece for its niche, I don't argue that.
It's just that different folks have different requirements. I'm willing to tolerate the weight and bulk of a .45ACP, where many others aren't. And I'm physically large enough to get away with it.
And (all the gods of the cosmos forbid) if I ever have to use it, I know the .45 will stop anyone as long as I do what I need to do. I can't say that about a .32 of any kind. And I pray, fervently, that I never have to prove that statement.
It's just that different folks have different requirements. I'm willing to tolerate the weight and bulk of a .45ACP, where many others aren't. And I'm physically large enough to get away with it.
And (all the gods of the cosmos forbid) if I ever have to use it, I know the .45 will stop anyone as long as I do what I need to do. I can't say that about a .32 of any kind. And I pray, fervently, that I never have to prove that statement.
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