Biden and Trump are both useful idiots of the rich. Every time no matter if the Republicans or Democrats have been in power nothing has changed or even gotten worse for the working person in America, Jobs kept being outsourced, labor unions got squashed, public programs got defunded, and austerity is being pushed.

Before you ask, I voted Third-Party this election.

He will be better for us in Europe, thats for sure. He will be a US-president that the democracys in Europe can work with. A president that will not validate dictators that threaten or borders in the east. A president that will not insult our elected leaders. You can´t imagen how much damage the Orange Bastard has done to the relationship of the US and the EU in gerneral and Germany in particular.

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So...your admitting your country is so weak our elections effect you?
Nah I think your own elected officials messed up your country. Take some responsibility.

I remember when European nations used to be super powers. Lol

What I say is that we rather work with transatlantic partners that are not ruled by a painfully stupid spoiled rotten 5 year old in a 74 year old body. We like to talk to people at intelectual eyelevel instead of dumbing everything down.

You do realize he made very rare and hard to obtain peace agreements with Israel and Sudan? Hes helped Japan and Taiwan with their China issue. Not perfect but its more than really other countries have done.

He failed on his US promises but hes done alot better with calming the middle east. Hes failed in making other first world countries more responsible for their own defense instead of relying on the US all the time. We would have more money for our own infrastructure if we wernt using it to defend everyone all the time. But most EU countries have an embarrassing low amount of ready to go vehicles and planes.

Hes not perfect. Hes rude and down right childish. But he did do some good that the media refuses to cover. He was bad but not pure evil. No president has achieved this.

I'm not pro either party. They are both in it for their own self interest. But to ignore any good either has done is disingenuous and politically lazy.

Mind your own business euro and fix your own elected officials. Your elected only works with its people so long as they agree to their terms. (Just like our own) Just because they do not stomp their feet and make noise doesn't mean they aren't doing damage.

Thing is we HAVE to work with the US gouverment, minding our own business isn´t really a option here. Also our elected officials are far from perfect, but at least they don´t give tyrants like Kim and Putin blowjobs.

Scense you want to be petty about it.
You're right they don't give BJs.
They are known around the world as the largest and open kid diddlers ever.

Oh, is this allready the point where you have lost the argument and resort to namecalling? So soon?
Okay, then I we can end this pointless argument.

My reaction exactly! Agent Orange has been fired!

Though it's tempered by the fact that despite descending into an authoritarian wanna-be that put migrant children in cages and separated them from their parents, refuses to condemn racists and white supremacists, gets peaceful protesters teargassed for a photo opportunity and completely bungled the country's response to a global pandemic, nearly half of voting Americans still thought "Yeah, I want more of that."

Trump has put the US into a power dive that would have ended in the US crashing and burning. Biden has broken into the cockpit and is about to regain control of the plane, but the hard work is now going to be pulling the US out of that dive without breaking the wings off...

Thats something I´m worried about to. The Orange Bastard has done a lot of damage. I dare to say that the US might need something like the de-nazification we had in Germany after the war. The toxic ideolody is still there. His cult of personality is still there. Over 60 million people stil voted for him, after four years of madness and stupidity. That is a problem that has to be dealt with, if he really wants to unite the country again.

Same reaction here :)
Sadly Dems failed to secure the senate, so McConnell will still block any new legislation.

But I think it is a signal. Dictators and authoritarian gouverments around the globe have just lost one of their best friends. The air will get thinner for all of the Bolsonaros, the Orbans, the Erdogans, the Kims, all of these vile disgusting little fascists all over the world. Democraty will prevail.

I hope so. The huge protest going last week here in Poland showed that people had enough of right wing ideology. The support for right wing parties is falling dramatically and they will probably be voted out in next elections.

I wish you guys the best. I really like you Polish, you are one of the great european nations.

Thanks, and vice versa!
I want to do a longer tour of Germany one day :)

Naybe we can meet one day.

That would be awesome :)

Maybe we could figure something out after the plague.

"Thank whatever diety you choose to believe in" you may thanks the deity of fraud >;)

Republicans always think that it's fraud when they lose.

At least dems accepted the votes in 2016, even as they called out the Russian disinformation campaign done on Dump's behalf.

Pretty much the Republicans only, which is why they kept insisting that a document that *actually* stated, for sure, that Russian interference *was* present and in favor of Trump, said nothing of the sort, because they knew their followers wouldn't be bothered to read it.

Oh, and, by the way, if there is evidence of fraud, please explain to me why Trump's "elite lawyers" are embarrassing themselves in court by being forced to admit that the things they're suing about aren't true (such as being forced to admit that Republican observers *were* present, in spite of Trump insisting otherwise), and NOT presenting this "mass of evidence" that supposedly proves fraud happened?

Oh, right, it's because it's not actually evidence, it's hearsay. Though honestly, that's giving it too much credit, lol.

Well, if that´s what you want to believe without accepting facts and evidences, it´s up to you, although being you a leftist, it doesn´t surprise me at all.

Heh not sure if they´re "embarasing" themselves when it´s a legit claim, let´s see, votes by mail are added late and after votes by people who went phisicaly to vote, videos showing strange manipulation of the ballot papers, many citizens coplaining because they found out that their deceased realitves appeard in the electoral rolls voting ( there are pictures clearly showing that), softwares conveniently "failing" and giving hundreds of votes that were for the republican to the democrat, was that enough or isn´t that enough evidence already?

Okay, time to deconstruct things bit by bit.

"Votes by mail are added late" - Not really, many states were forbidden - by Republicans themselves, I might add - to count the absentee/mail-in ballots until *after* election day, where other states (like Florida) were allowed to count them as they came in.

Also, votes from overseas military will arrive late because, well, they're *overseas*. Do you want to deny the hard-working members of our military their voice in the election?

And if you're talking about the 4am thing... that's what we call camera equipment, with some press coming in to relieve the first set of press so they can go home and get some sleep :)

"Videos showing strange manipulation of the ballot papers" - In cases where the machines can't read the ballots, what will happen is, one person will read the ballot off to someone else who will take a blank ballot and mark it in a machine-readable fashion. At that point, the old ballot is attached to the remade ballot, for archival purposes. This has been the practice for ages now.

Also, sometimes, people send in the instruction sheets when they're not supposed to, and a counter may get frustrated and crumple that up. The ballots are made of a much sterner stuff than these instructions and wouldn't be easily crumpled :)

Dead relatives voting - Clerical and computer error, several of the voters were confirmed to be living people, some of whom had the same name (one of the "dead voters" was actually his son or grandson who had the exact same name.) Curiously, there *have* been attempts at voting on behalf of a dead person... for Trump :)

"Machines failing and giving hundreds of votes that were for the republican to the democrat" - Sounds like an urban myth to me, do you have any evidence of this happening or are you just spreading hearsay?

https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status.....35797374808066

Here's a good Twitter thread debunking a lot of the claims of fraud, in fact it's probably been updated since I checked it last.

Interesting, you made some good points here although i would like to answer as well to some of them by the following:

That would explain the sudden massive amount of votes for the Dem candidate appearing late and withouth any new votes for the other, although i would need you to proove me if that fact about Reps forbiding the count of votes by mail until the the election day ended was a fact, if not, i must think you just invented that to justify it.

Overseas votes comming at last minute would be more credible, although, it´s hard for me to believe that so many americans are living out of their own country.

Deny the hard working members of the military the right to vote? hell no, i´m a person who feels great respect for people who work as militar crew, although, i find very funny that question coming from someone like you, didn´t you leftist feel scorn and hate against military and any public security figures like police? unless they work for you to harras and neutralize people who doesn´t think like you?

Seems legit! if it weren´t for the fact how it happened, at last minute, late in the night, and without the observers checking that everything were made as it should be.

That sounds like a made up explaination to justify a clear attempt to cover a fraud, didn´t heard or seen that kind of explaination in any of the media, but i saw alot of exposed cases were that kind of manipulation can be seen in videos and photo captures, do you have any video i may see where these people had the exact name of a deceased one, and the suppossed deceased voter were a iving person after all?

Heh, also answering you previous one, the evil chimp possible fraud on his election were a fact, in the first case if Al Gore didn´t had any proof or trace of a possible fraud from Bush, he would just admited his defeat didn´t bother to bring the case to the suprem court, in the second one, when the evil chimp was reelected, even heard about the Ohio controversy? and other suspicious happenings back then?

The change of votes for reps to dems by an "error" wasn´t a myth or a "hearsay" ( it´s fun how you repeat that word like if that gives you any moral or superior authority over me, reminds me to the femnazis saying "mansplaining" to disparage any valid argument that refute any of their affirmations) even in the news some of the ballot authorities and the voting system software maintenance staff admitted that "error" happened, not sure if they fixed it in all cases or at least the ones that were discovered.

Really? that´s the best argument you can give me? by bringing something from a gosip, frivolous and unreliable place like twitter? a place that cleraly acts partial towards deteremined opinions and proceed to censor others almost like a truth ministry from an orwellian distopy? i´d rather believe more on stuff posted in threads from 4chan lol. at least give me proofs from a more serious place.

To finish this, i dont have any problem if Biden won the election fairly, the guy seems to be a nice an affable man, but if this person won the election by fraud, that not only confirms even more how hypocrite and double speeched the dems are ( They aren´t too different from reps after all, they just do things in a different way ) but that they´re worse than the Reps they criticise so much then.

But hey, let´s just wait and see what the tribunals in the states in controversy dispute and the supreme court resolve, depending on the result we´ll see if wat Tumpeter claimed were legit and justified, or if it were all a montage based in exagerations about a few unavoidable issues in the voting system, if the the state courts and the supreme court resolve that there weren´t such thing as fraud, then i wont have any more doubts and i´ll be sure then, that Trump was just a sore loser here >XD

Well congratulations! now everything is clear, after the supreme court resolution, and since it´s mostly republican, i guess there wasn´t enuough evidence, so Biden´s election was legit then! i guess orange guy were just a sore loser after all, enjoy your new emperor, i mean president! >XD

Not the republicans only >;)

If we go by that side, these 4 years, mostly during this, there were more disinformation from most of mainstream USA media groups agains Trump than what happened about the "disinformation" campaign by the "russian" hackers in the 2016. Dems accepted votes in 2016? what about "not my president" and "he wont divide us" LOL

But, to be impartial here, i guess now Republicans and Democrats are even now, because the "evil chimp" george bush.jr reelection in the 2004 were quite fraudulent too.

Yes
They excepted it so much so they did nothing but indite, investigate, Jerry Mander, finger point and rreeee 'stolen election, it was her turn' for 3.5 years with little too show for it.

Thank God this happned so now we can laugh at bidens gaffs and watch as he spends maybe 3 months in office before giving it up to the first woman prez.

To be completely honest, I have mixed feeling about this. Yes I'm thrilled that Biden won, but I do feel truly sorry for the mess he'll have to clean up. He's going to have some rough months or years ahead of him working on getting this mess under control. And yes I\m super thrilled that he who shall not be name will be getting out of the office, unless he did something completely stupid, which I will not put it past him. I swear, I heard that during the announcement of Biden winning, he was off on the golf course, I mean who spends more time playing golf while the nation faces such a hardship?

Agreed. There will be A LOT of work for Biden and Harris.

Unfortunately the war isn't over as still almost half the US voted for him... That's a sad state of affairs.

We've merely won the battle and prolonged the war, but it does give some hope.

I agree. I think the US might need some kind of way to counter the ideology he is leaving the contry with.

Education would be the best way, but would still take a generation and is severely underfunded over here.

If we even took out 1% of what we feed the military and gave it to education, (7.18 billion dollars) that 's enough money to pay for 90,886 teacher's salaries for the year (at 79,000 each for high end). Or enough to build 300+ schools each year around the country.

Congress and the military are telling us they can't afford even that kind of reduction? Seriously? At what point does being on the 'bleeding edge' cause us to bleed out?

Its really insane actually.

As long as he doesn't get some of his godawful gun control ideas passed into law, I can live with it.

Gun control is actually a good idea concerning how many idiots with millitary grade weapons run around in the US.

The large majority of gun crime is committed with handguns, but all the hype and lawmaking focuses on the 'scary black saltrifles' anyway.
If the government says you don't need a gun, you need a gun.

Actually, for once, I'm in agreement.

And I'm a leftist.

That being said, I am absolutely for *sane* gun control, which I don't think we currently have.

For starters, anyone intentionally waving a gun around in public should have their license suspended. For much longer if it can be proven they're doing so as a show of intimidation (ala the armed mob of terrorists trying to intimidate the vote counters)

In addition I feel like having to retake gun safety classes before being allowed to have your license back would be appropriate.

If a gun is good for hunting, that's fine, it should stay in a case. Wearing it openly and uncovered in civilian areas should be considered an intimidation tactic.

Also, if a person has a history of domestic violence, or is otherwise proven to be prone to unwarranted violence*, they shouldn't be allowed to have a gun until they've demonstrated that they are no longer violent.

*I realize the distinction between warranted and unwarranted violence is hard to legally distinguish, in many cases. I'm speaking in ideals here.

Biden cheated.

No he didn´t. Stop this bullshit.
Please don´t tell me that you support this fascist orange loser.

Same feeling here.

It's just good that an idiot who only cares about his image and throws a temper tantrum if someone hints at disagreeing with him is GONE.

Amen. But the toxic ideology that has brought him to power and that flourished under him is still around.

Yeah, that's a sad thing. but hopefully that will begin to fade away with time

I am truly glad Biden won. However there are still a few months left for Trump as President. All we can do is hope things go smoothly until Biden talks over.

I agree. The Orange Bastard can now throw a tantrum all he wants, its over. I´m almost sure that the secret service will carry him kicking and screaming out of the white house on tiny hands and feet. The sun is rising here, it´s a new day for mankind and it feels good!

Hopefully if he actually does that, it'll destroy the people who still at this moment support him, see him going full on toddler tantrum. Maybe, I'm just hopeful

I am worried that those who followed and are still following him will do something terrible.

I will be watching these events with caution but also with a sense of Happiness i have not had in a long time.

The evil fashie fuck has been defeated! Unfortunately we have two months where he can do something... dangerous.

He is a lame duck, there isn´t much he can do anymore, they just have to take the football away from him.

While he may be a lame duck, that won't stop him or his cult from attempting something. When Biden was on stage I was fearful someone with a gun in the crowd was going to harm him.