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Alright, I could rant and rave about this forever, but I'll just list some points about this day and what the point is and what's wrong with both sides.
A) I have said this countless times: this is not, nor was it ever supposed to be, about insulting Muslims. In fact, a fair percentage of Muslims won't even care about this; whether a depiction of Muhammed is allowed is purely up to the particular division of Islam (Sunnis I believe enforce a no-Muhammed-picture policy), and WHY they don't like him being depicted is that it is said to lead to idolatry (making the picture more important than God/Allah). This is ultimately... unimportant to a person who doesn't see Muhammed as a prophet, since to them he isn't a word of God so to speak, although this kinda idea is also in Christianity and Judaism. (By the way, did you know it's also contested that you can't depict ANY prophet in Islam? And did you know Moses, Abraham, and Jesus are all prophets in Islam? Hm hm.)
This day isn't supposed to be about making fun of Islam or Muhammed. South Park didn't even make fun of Muhammed, they just put him in a bear suit and said it was him. That's why I've drawn Muhammed like this: peaceful, relaxed, looking like an alright fella with that little bird on his finger. I'm personally certainly not doing this to make Muhammed look bad. For those who ARE just doing this to make fun of Islam, I guess I'll apologize for them. And to any peaceful Sunnis or scripture-strict Muslims that this does offend, sorry to you, too.
B) What this IS supposed to be about is simply this: as an American, I have the right to draw whatever I want as long as it doesn't defame a specific person (y'know, libel/slander), as well as the freedom of press and freedom of religion. If I wanna draw Muhammed, either pleasantly like above or as a negative political cartoon satire, then I have that right under my country's laws, and that my individual personal rights are more important than bowing down in order to appease those who have a problem with it. You are allowed to be offended by what I choose to do, you have that right. You do not have the right to take away mine.
C) The drawing itself... kinda referencing two different old paintings of Muhammed for him and the pose. I know he's usually depicted with black hair but I saw somewhere that I guess maybe he used to dye his hair red? And he was also apparently pale-skinned, so that's why he's pretty white for a Saudi Arabian. I could say the bird was referencing this passage in the Qu'ran about birds flying being proof of God, but I just kinda thought it was cute and gave him a more innocent, peaceful look.
So yeah. Draw Muhammed Day. So I did.
A) I have said this countless times: this is not, nor was it ever supposed to be, about insulting Muslims. In fact, a fair percentage of Muslims won't even care about this; whether a depiction of Muhammed is allowed is purely up to the particular division of Islam (Sunnis I believe enforce a no-Muhammed-picture policy), and WHY they don't like him being depicted is that it is said to lead to idolatry (making the picture more important than God/Allah). This is ultimately... unimportant to a person who doesn't see Muhammed as a prophet, since to them he isn't a word of God so to speak, although this kinda idea is also in Christianity and Judaism. (By the way, did you know it's also contested that you can't depict ANY prophet in Islam? And did you know Moses, Abraham, and Jesus are all prophets in Islam? Hm hm.)
This day isn't supposed to be about making fun of Islam or Muhammed. South Park didn't even make fun of Muhammed, they just put him in a bear suit and said it was him. That's why I've drawn Muhammed like this: peaceful, relaxed, looking like an alright fella with that little bird on his finger. I'm personally certainly not doing this to make Muhammed look bad. For those who ARE just doing this to make fun of Islam, I guess I'll apologize for them. And to any peaceful Sunnis or scripture-strict Muslims that this does offend, sorry to you, too.
B) What this IS supposed to be about is simply this: as an American, I have the right to draw whatever I want as long as it doesn't defame a specific person (y'know, libel/slander), as well as the freedom of press and freedom of religion. If I wanna draw Muhammed, either pleasantly like above or as a negative political cartoon satire, then I have that right under my country's laws, and that my individual personal rights are more important than bowing down in order to appease those who have a problem with it. You are allowed to be offended by what I choose to do, you have that right. You do not have the right to take away mine.
C) The drawing itself... kinda referencing two different old paintings of Muhammed for him and the pose. I know he's usually depicted with black hair but I saw somewhere that I guess maybe he used to dye his hair red? And he was also apparently pale-skinned, so that's why he's pretty white for a Saudi Arabian. I could say the bird was referencing this passage in the Qu'ran about birds flying being proof of God, but I just kinda thought it was cute and gave him a more innocent, peaceful look.
So yeah. Draw Muhammed Day. So I did.
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Yep, ya nailed the peaceful look. Very relaxed sort of fellow, he seems to be. Now, I'm sure that some of the more fundy folks will be even MORE offended. Since to them the Muslim faith is not about inner struggle, but outer struggle, they will likely see this as worse.
And I'm not saying it doesn't. But people getting all up in arms over things that A) they can't change and B) don't affect them in the slightest are just stupid. Has nothing to do with religion, they're just easy targets because they tend to be loud when they don't like something.
Having been a Muslim at one point myself, I wholeheartedly agree with your statements. Early Islamic artists actually depicted Muhammad, the whole injunctions against putting him on paper were made later during (I believe) the Almoravid/Almohad Khaliphate.
Anyway, if I coud fac this ten times, I would, this is amazing, man.
Oh, and on the red hair thing, it is entirely possible his hair was at one point red. He could have dyed his hair with henna/mehendi to give it a reddish sheen to it.
Anyway, if I coud fac this ten times, I would, this is amazing, man.
Oh, and on the red hair thing, it is entirely possible his hair was at one point red. He could have dyed his hair with henna/mehendi to give it a reddish sheen to it.
thats the problem, we had just gotten out of the hole discussion and burning flags and bombing threats, and then another one comes with the genius idea to get it send out in our national news paper (like last time).
i don't have anything against people drawing and saying what they want, but if they could just try not to openly offend anyone by it on national news while they do it.
as far as i care he can draw as many offending pictures of what ever he wants as long as he doesn't post it as the face of Denmark (or for that reason the person's own country) because its the hole country that is taking the blame.
the reason they got mad at Denmark wasn't because a dude drew Muhammed with a bomb in his turban (among other things), its because the national news posted it, and when they said they felt offend they said so what? we have free rights here. which was said by the head of Denmark...
they are the one who are supposed to show what Denmark are to other country's and there they showed that we piss on their religion, insted of just coming with a plain sorry we offended you.
i don't have anything against people drawing and saying what they want, but if they could just try not to openly offend anyone by it on national news while they do it.
as far as i care he can draw as many offending pictures of what ever he wants as long as he doesn't post it as the face of Denmark (or for that reason the person's own country) because its the hole country that is taking the blame.
the reason they got mad at Denmark wasn't because a dude drew Muhammed with a bomb in his turban (among other things), its because the national news posted it, and when they said they felt offend they said so what? we have free rights here. which was said by the head of Denmark...
they are the one who are supposed to show what Denmark are to other country's and there they showed that we piss on their religion, insted of just coming with a plain sorry we offended you.
Welp... I can understand those points. The artist should've said it was his opinion, not Denmark's, and the head of government probably should've been more PC than "fuck you, we can do that here" (even though that's the truth).
Still, the misrepresentation of your nation and your government's bluntness don't justify the whole... murder of that artist a few years back. Or the threats of death anywhere else. It's really terrible that something like a country going "uh, sorry, but we can do that legally here" gets people to think they can go kill them or it.
Still, the misrepresentation of your nation and your government's bluntness don't justify the whole... murder of that artist a few years back. Or the threats of death anywhere else. It's really terrible that something like a country going "uh, sorry, but we can do that legally here" gets people to think they can go kill them or it.
i think you got the story wrong. (not what i just said, but the hole why they hate us)
the artist just draws for the newspaper, its our national newspaper that started the hole deal by requesting them and giving story to them, the reason the artist is being hated right now is because he was stupid enough to get the drawings framed and then getting them into a museum after the hole deal, the artist is still alive and drawing for the news- the threats against him are though still rolling in like waves.
their has bin many, MANY attempts to kill him, like last month some dude came with an Axe while his grandchild was still there.
there has also bin filming of our news building to locate good places to place bombs.
but nothing justifies killing people for those reasons...
all this of course didn't help the immigrants from their country to ours get set into the country sins over half the population now hates them and or fear. we also got a hell's angels and immigrant war going on that got fueled up a little by it... and the new artist who did it again just added more fuel to the fire.
i don't think a sorry is gonna work the second time over.
i wish people could just say sorry to each other and get this behind them so we can get on with the next imminent problem.
the artist just draws for the newspaper, its our national newspaper that started the hole deal by requesting them and giving story to them, the reason the artist is being hated right now is because he was stupid enough to get the drawings framed and then getting them into a museum after the hole deal, the artist is still alive and drawing for the news- the threats against him are though still rolling in like waves.
their has bin many, MANY attempts to kill him, like last month some dude came with an Axe while his grandchild was still there.
there has also bin filming of our news building to locate good places to place bombs.
but nothing justifies killing people for those reasons...
all this of course didn't help the immigrants from their country to ours get set into the country sins over half the population now hates them and or fear. we also got a hell's angels and immigrant war going on that got fueled up a little by it... and the new artist who did it again just added more fuel to the fire.
i don't think a sorry is gonna work the second time over.
i wish people could just say sorry to each other and get this behind them so we can get on with the next imminent problem.
Oh, well, I was thinking of the artist who was brutally murdered with a knife? The guy they used as an example when they threatened Matt and Trey of South Park.
But um, yeah, that's pretty horrible that some satirical art being commissioned and published and getting put in a museum sparked all that.
But um, yeah, that's pretty horrible that some satirical art being commissioned and published and getting put in a museum sparked all that.
Okay next point on yer agenda creating a team of furries with intellectual proportions to make peace in the middle-east.
and next week after lunch you have an appointment with the united nations cuz they wanna talk to you of you ruling the world (their probably in)
A) this wasn't meant insulting.
B) i kno im ripping you off but im neither annoying or insulting you.
C) i meant this as a compliment of yer intelligence.
D) i like the drawing its awesome
E) yer awesome
F) ima big fan
G) G is for grammar.
H) ok im gonna stop now
and next week after lunch you have an appointment with the united nations cuz they wanna talk to you of you ruling the world (their probably in)
A) this wasn't meant insulting.
B) i kno im ripping you off but im neither annoying or insulting you.
C) i meant this as a compliment of yer intelligence.
D) i like the drawing its awesome
E) yer awesome
F) ima big fan
G) G is for grammar.
H) ok im gonna stop now
lulz. But in any case, it does bother me how extremist Muslims seem to have this idea that their religion is exempt from scrutiny, judgement, and parody while they constantly call for the destruction of Israel and Judaism. It is just another example of human beings being stupid human beings.
Well, destruction of Israel and Judaism is more political mired in culture and a little religion. Cause like... Ottoman Empire had the Judean area, then the West forcibly made the area into Israel for the Jews after World War 1, and all the Arab countries who also got their borders drawn by Westerners who didn't care got angry at the West and Jews, and... so forth.
I'm actually more upset at the people around here who insist we shouldn't do this because it's all just an insult to Muslims and it's fanning the flames of Islam hatred. |'
I'm actually more upset at the people around here who insist we shouldn't do this because it's all just an insult to Muslims and it's fanning the flames of Islam hatred. |'
Right, I'm well aware of the history around the creation of Israel. I understand that twisting some panties. I'm just saying, I disrespect extremist Christianity as well as extremist Islam, but not peaceful followers. It is just unfortunate that some people can ruin a beautiful things for others. I mean this kind of shit (the "omg don't draw Mohammed or we'll kill you" nonsense) just ruins the day for everyone else. The selfish notion that one person's belief system is more important than or more valid than another person's is just pitiful.
I agree with you though about the people crying saying that this should not be done. I'm sorry, this is like dealing with children. If we allow these people to bully us and force their iron fist of rage and death threats at us, they'll only continue to do it and feel empowered.
People in this world refuse to leave well enough alone. That is why these kind of situations occur.
I agree with you though about the people crying saying that this should not be done. I'm sorry, this is like dealing with children. If we allow these people to bully us and force their iron fist of rage and death threats at us, they'll only continue to do it and feel empowered.
People in this world refuse to leave well enough alone. That is why these kind of situations occur.
Their beef is less the safety issues (though that's still a part of it) and more the hurting those innocent non-radical Muslims' feelings by disrespecting their religion in this way apparently. The thing is that most Muslims won't get mad due to not even believing in the no-Muhammed-depictions thing, and most of the ones that do won't get all that upset about some random guy doing it for a non-derogatory purpose. The ones that do, well, have all the right in the world to make fun of... Jesus, I guess. I'm not Christian but that's as close as it gets I guess.
The disconnect is that Islam is essentially a religion born out of war.
Mohamed was a warlord who built an empire out of his religion and his followers' faith. Fair enough, there have been empires before and since, all formed for equally bad reasons. But the world is growing up, moving out of the backward days of the past, and the traditionalists have to become more extreme, shout louder, demonstrate more vividly what they believe in order to be heard. The crusades didn't tame the military and cultural juggernaut of Islam in europe, the Renaissance and its explosion of wealth and knowledge did.
It's not unique to Islam either. Fundamentalist Christians resort to the same desperate measures, the same lies, the same violence. The violence isn't as commonly accepted, but there are still those who bomb clinics, kill doctors, or force women into unbearable decisions.
And yet, underneath all that, you have Mohamed. A man with ambitions, who founded something we're still feeling to day, but a man in the end of it. Were there days he just sat in his gardens and watched birds? Did he have hobbies? Did he perhaps stutter, or have a lazy eye? We don't know. This debate is part of the importance of honesty, accuracy, and fearlessness. We depict because we want to know, or sometimes explore. That's what I consider the most important part of Draw Mohamed day, choosing to explore despite those who say you may be treading the toes of god.
Mohamed was a warlord who built an empire out of his religion and his followers' faith. Fair enough, there have been empires before and since, all formed for equally bad reasons. But the world is growing up, moving out of the backward days of the past, and the traditionalists have to become more extreme, shout louder, demonstrate more vividly what they believe in order to be heard. The crusades didn't tame the military and cultural juggernaut of Islam in europe, the Renaissance and its explosion of wealth and knowledge did.
It's not unique to Islam either. Fundamentalist Christians resort to the same desperate measures, the same lies, the same violence. The violence isn't as commonly accepted, but there are still those who bomb clinics, kill doctors, or force women into unbearable decisions.
And yet, underneath all that, you have Mohamed. A man with ambitions, who founded something we're still feeling to day, but a man in the end of it. Were there days he just sat in his gardens and watched birds? Did he have hobbies? Did he perhaps stutter, or have a lazy eye? We don't know. This debate is part of the importance of honesty, accuracy, and fearlessness. We depict because we want to know, or sometimes explore. That's what I consider the most important part of Draw Mohamed day, choosing to explore despite those who say you may be treading the toes of god.
I was going to try this but never got round to it.
I don't like the people who do it because they're trying to annoy Muslims and I don't like the people who don't do it because they think it's to annoy Muslims.
It's just a way of expressing our right to draw what we want without anyone over reacting and threatening to kill us.
I don't like the people who do it because they're trying to annoy Muslims and I don't like the people who don't do it because they think it's to annoy Muslims.
It's just a way of expressing our right to draw what we want without anyone over reacting and threatening to kill us.
You don't need to appologize for ME. Muhammed was a pedophile and a crazy lunatic, and if his religion can't stand up to a little bit of criticism and skepticism then it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. If all you can do is threaten people who disagree with you rather than present evidence for your ridiculous beliefs then you sure as anything deserve to be ridiculed.
From Wikipedia "Traditional sources dictate that Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad[55][56][57] but the marriage was not consummated until she was nine or ten years old.[55][56][57][58][59][60]"
From Youtube regarding cartoons of Muhammad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7aS7m3odqI
But seriously? If you do ANY research about Islam's history, teachings, and Muslims in the world today (especially in Europe) you wouldn't be so keen to defend them. At least I hope you wouldn't. It'd be like drawing a cute picture of Hitler with a puppy dog saying everyone should stop being so hard on him!
From Youtube regarding cartoons of Muhammad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7aS7m3odqI
But seriously? If you do ANY research about Islam's history, teachings, and Muslims in the world today (especially in Europe) you wouldn't be so keen to defend them. At least I hope you wouldn't. It'd be like drawing a cute picture of Hitler with a puppy dog saying everyone should stop being so hard on him!
Okay, then judge his followers that are out raping unveiled 18 year olds in Sweden, shooting children in the back in Israel, and blowing up innocent people in subways in London. Oh, not to mention hundreds of other disgusting violent acts all in the name of their prophet Muhammed and their god.
Draw Muhammad Day was inspired by: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art.....artoonist.html
Blog with a good selection of the original cartoons and lists of RECENT events having to do with Islamic terrorism: http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/2006/02/
Draw Muhammad Day was inspired by: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art.....artoonist.html
Blog with a good selection of the original cartoons and lists of RECENT events having to do with Islamic terrorism: http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/2006/02/
Dude. Calm the heck down.
Quetza wasn't saying he was peaceful and innocent. He was just drawing Mohamed in that posture, because the Day didn't -have- to be about confrontation, religion-bating, hate-baiting, or meanspiritedness. You're not being clever, you're not being edgy, you are being an -asshole-.
Quetza wasn't saying he was peaceful and innocent. He was just drawing Mohamed in that posture, because the Day didn't -have- to be about confrontation, religion-bating, hate-baiting, or meanspiritedness. You're not being clever, you're not being edgy, you are being an -asshole-.
Hum...
I honestly feel very uncomfortable with the idea of having a picture out like this. Even if it was peaceful.
Don't get me wrong - I just don't like the idea of interpreting him in any way, mainly because he's a role model of what a good man should be. (And to you naysayers like the one earlier, that's really because that's your subjective view of him based on what you hear, learn or seen. I view him as the perfect role model because of all the things I learn about him.)
And because of that, I feel really really edgy picturing what his physical appearance should look like. There was a cartoon movie done once by turkey about the history of how Islam came to be. Most of the cartoon was done in first person from Muhammad's point of view. Neither he nor his uncle was ever shown once during the entire movie.
The reason why we never interpret him is really really diverse. Some are afraid of idolizing. Some are afraid of far too many things, some being many a strange reason. Another being that it is fear that people will see that picture as the representation of what he looks like - which isn't definitely accurate, but with how strong the media is, it will spread and people will find it a normal way to draw him and even lead to caricatures of him.
I personally don't like it even if it was peaceful looking, only because I grew up with the personal feeling is that there is never an accurate 100% representation of him, and no matter how little the flaw may be it would distort the meaning. Like I said earlier, he's the perfect role model for me, and there's some sort of spiritual feeling I can't describe - the only time I can see him, is when I truly deserve it. I don't want my currently spiritual vision of him distorted or related to whatever picture that I've seen, which is also why I didn't really look at the picture so much.
I'm not going to stop people drawing good pictures of him, though, but as little as my opinion may be, my personal request is, please don't, and if you don't want to agree to that, just understand my opinion of it and I'll be happy.
I honestly feel very uncomfortable with the idea of having a picture out like this. Even if it was peaceful.
Don't get me wrong - I just don't like the idea of interpreting him in any way, mainly because he's a role model of what a good man should be. (And to you naysayers like the one earlier, that's really because that's your subjective view of him based on what you hear, learn or seen. I view him as the perfect role model because of all the things I learn about him.)
And because of that, I feel really really edgy picturing what his physical appearance should look like. There was a cartoon movie done once by turkey about the history of how Islam came to be. Most of the cartoon was done in first person from Muhammad's point of view. Neither he nor his uncle was ever shown once during the entire movie.
The reason why we never interpret him is really really diverse. Some are afraid of idolizing. Some are afraid of far too many things, some being many a strange reason. Another being that it is fear that people will see that picture as the representation of what he looks like - which isn't definitely accurate, but with how strong the media is, it will spread and people will find it a normal way to draw him and even lead to caricatures of him.
I personally don't like it even if it was peaceful looking, only because I grew up with the personal feeling is that there is never an accurate 100% representation of him, and no matter how little the flaw may be it would distort the meaning. Like I said earlier, he's the perfect role model for me, and there's some sort of spiritual feeling I can't describe - the only time I can see him, is when I truly deserve it. I don't want my currently spiritual vision of him distorted or related to whatever picture that I've seen, which is also why I didn't really look at the picture so much.
I'm not going to stop people drawing good pictures of him, though, but as little as my opinion may be, my personal request is, please don't, and if you don't want to agree to that, just understand my opinion of it and I'll be happy.
Well, okay, first off, your beliefs are valid. If I insult you in the next couple of paragraphs or whatever, I'm sorry. You have the total right to believe anything you'd like, just like everybody else in the world either does or should.
That said, well, I know why some Muslims don't like depictions of Muhammad. There's the thing about false idolization, where the picture gets the prayer that Muhammad himself should receive, and the fact that you don't want to sully his actual image with the false images in media (though any idea or thought of Muhammad I would think would be associated with a mental image of him that is probably also just as incorrect, but I won't go there cause that's not what I'm trying to say).
Anyway, yes, I can respect your belief that you don't want to ruin the perfect image of your prophet with a false picture, and I'm glad you don't want to stop people from drawing him period, but... well, there seems to be a rather noticeable proportion of Muslims around the world who get really uppity about it and demand that no images of Muhammad can be drawn by anyone period or else they get really pissed off, burn effigies and flags, and even sometimes threaten to murder the artist(s).
That's what this is supposed to be "protesting". You have all the right in the world to have your beliefs, but my beliefs don't incorporate Muhammad... really at all. Jesus neither, really. Or anyone. But, um... if I don't believe Muhammad is the messenger of God and I don't believe that I need a perfect image of him to remain intact, I don't think I should... limit myself to not drawing him if I wanted to. Respectfully, of course, though I honestly think satire should kinda be allowed much like satire against Jesus or Moses is. I'm not talking about stuff that just makes fun of Muslims or mocks their beliefs like maybe those Danish cartoons, but more like, well, South Park, where Muhammad is just standing there or being a "superhero" or being in a bear costume (which he wasn't even in).
The bottom line is this, really: I can totally respect your faith and your beliefs and your right to have them... but I should be able to have my right to do the opposite of them as long as I'm not just doing it to be a douche. I mean, you can make fun of... Jesus all you wanted (unless you can't do that either, I'm not clear on other prophets being depicted). Or atheism! Make fun of atheism, it's pretty easy.
The Islam faith should be respected, but it shouldn't be held above others' in the area of parody or satire or just plain... depiction at all. I'm sorry.
That said, well, I know why some Muslims don't like depictions of Muhammad. There's the thing about false idolization, where the picture gets the prayer that Muhammad himself should receive, and the fact that you don't want to sully his actual image with the false images in media (though any idea or thought of Muhammad I would think would be associated with a mental image of him that is probably also just as incorrect, but I won't go there cause that's not what I'm trying to say).
Anyway, yes, I can respect your belief that you don't want to ruin the perfect image of your prophet with a false picture, and I'm glad you don't want to stop people from drawing him period, but... well, there seems to be a rather noticeable proportion of Muslims around the world who get really uppity about it and demand that no images of Muhammad can be drawn by anyone period or else they get really pissed off, burn effigies and flags, and even sometimes threaten to murder the artist(s).
That's what this is supposed to be "protesting". You have all the right in the world to have your beliefs, but my beliefs don't incorporate Muhammad... really at all. Jesus neither, really. Or anyone. But, um... if I don't believe Muhammad is the messenger of God and I don't believe that I need a perfect image of him to remain intact, I don't think I should... limit myself to not drawing him if I wanted to. Respectfully, of course, though I honestly think satire should kinda be allowed much like satire against Jesus or Moses is. I'm not talking about stuff that just makes fun of Muslims or mocks their beliefs like maybe those Danish cartoons, but more like, well, South Park, where Muhammad is just standing there or being a "superhero" or being in a bear costume (which he wasn't even in).
The bottom line is this, really: I can totally respect your faith and your beliefs and your right to have them... but I should be able to have my right to do the opposite of them as long as I'm not just doing it to be a douche. I mean, you can make fun of... Jesus all you wanted (unless you can't do that either, I'm not clear on other prophets being depicted). Or atheism! Make fun of atheism, it's pretty easy.
The Islam faith should be respected, but it shouldn't be held above others' in the area of parody or satire or just plain... depiction at all. I'm sorry.
It's totally fine, I'm not about to march into your house and burn it. D:
I think a lot of the angry fires and protests really come more from a ridiculous pride that I know most middle-easterners actually have. I hate that. They're so edgey and think they are better than most people. They take a stance where they assume they are right and no one else is (even if proven wrong, sometimes, they try to save face) which is one thing I incredibly hate as it's abundant everywhere in the middle-eastern community I lived in back home - it's terrible. Even in Australia I've seen this pride in some middle-easterners here.
It's disgusting because the religion tells us to not think we are above others. There's so much hypocrisy in the daily culture of middle-easterners, not to mention their reaction to things happening elsewhere in the world, where opinions and beliefs should really stay as opinions and freely expressed rather than statement of "I'm better than you! D:<".
Just saying though, even if I didn't want people to draw him, I'm not really going to stop you. Frankly, if I was Christian I'd also be offended by the fact people satire Jesus all the time. That's really just my preference. And I don't have a right to be angry unless it was something really uncalled for and disrespectful.
Understanding each other is the better thing to do (in fact, that's what Islam tries to teach people), rather than denying the change what's happening to the world and defying all that goes on outside one's tiny hovel as sinful. Even if they don't want to change, it's really disgusting that they still think they're better than most. Well, standard of living in those countries say otherwise. There's really nothing wrong with wanting to develop and become modern, integrated into society while practicing religion.
All the same though, I hope I also didn't step on any toes here, sorry.
I think a lot of the angry fires and protests really come more from a ridiculous pride that I know most middle-easterners actually have. I hate that. They're so edgey and think they are better than most people. They take a stance where they assume they are right and no one else is (even if proven wrong, sometimes, they try to save face) which is one thing I incredibly hate as it's abundant everywhere in the middle-eastern community I lived in back home - it's terrible. Even in Australia I've seen this pride in some middle-easterners here.
It's disgusting because the religion tells us to not think we are above others. There's so much hypocrisy in the daily culture of middle-easterners, not to mention their reaction to things happening elsewhere in the world, where opinions and beliefs should really stay as opinions and freely expressed rather than statement of "I'm better than you! D:<".
Just saying though, even if I didn't want people to draw him, I'm not really going to stop you. Frankly, if I was Christian I'd also be offended by the fact people satire Jesus all the time. That's really just my preference. And I don't have a right to be angry unless it was something really uncalled for and disrespectful.
Understanding each other is the better thing to do (in fact, that's what Islam tries to teach people), rather than denying the change what's happening to the world and defying all that goes on outside one's tiny hovel as sinful. Even if they don't want to change, it's really disgusting that they still think they're better than most. Well, standard of living in those countries say otherwise. There's really nothing wrong with wanting to develop and become modern, integrated into society while practicing religion.
All the same though, I hope I also didn't step on any toes here, sorry.
I don't have any problem with it. It's not inflammatory or hateful. The bird is a nice touch, as the prophet (saws) is reported to have been concerned with animal welfare and to have been fond of animals in general (we even know the name of his favorite cat, Muezza). In some stories he's attributed with Dr. Doolittle-like powers of communication, as when a she-camel comes to him with complaints about her treatment (gonna go out on a limb here and say that probably didn't happen, though...).
But, uh, yeah. Earlier up there in the comments you mention Muslims "worshiping Muhammad." We, uh...don't actually do that, just for the record.
But, uh, yeah. Earlier up there in the comments you mention Muslims "worshiping Muhammad." We, uh...don't actually do that, just for the record.
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