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In religionland, there are 3 types of christians: Catholics, christians and New Born christians (or like I tell them nutball christians).
A little story..
When I was a kid, I had an aunt that was very cool and all. She had her own business and even a music group for parties where sometimes she sang. She had a cool house and many cool stuff (I drooled when looking at her HUGE atari 2600 collection...nore than 100 carts!).
But then many things happened and she lost everything. So she was depressed and all....
time passed and she came to visit us. There she started to talk very weird, only talking about jesus, jesus, jesus and...jesus <_<
Yup, she became a New Born Christian
oh dear...
summary:
*she burned (literraly) all his cds, cassettes, VHS, Atari games (noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!) and even her jeans at a local church
* she reads the bible everyday and every time something bad happens...she reads the bible. I.E., you have cancer? PRAY! Your daughter is going to marry with a weirdo? PRAY! They robbed you, PRAY!
* she doesn't listen to her once favorite musicians like Rocio durcal o Juan Gabriel but now those corny christiam singers
and so on...
My mom said "well at least she is not depressed"
and I answered "how if she is now a zombie that burned a notebook with a pineapple because it looked like the devil?!"
she didn't said a thing...silence says more than 1000 words anyway
A little story..
When I was a kid, I had an aunt that was very cool and all. She had her own business and even a music group for parties where sometimes she sang. She had a cool house and many cool stuff (I drooled when looking at her HUGE atari 2600 collection...nore than 100 carts!).
But then many things happened and she lost everything. So she was depressed and all....
time passed and she came to visit us. There she started to talk very weird, only talking about jesus, jesus, jesus and...jesus <_<
Yup, she became a New Born Christian
oh dear...
summary:
*she burned (literraly) all his cds, cassettes, VHS, Atari games (noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!) and even her jeans at a local church
* she reads the bible everyday and every time something bad happens...she reads the bible. I.E., you have cancer? PRAY! Your daughter is going to marry with a weirdo? PRAY! They robbed you, PRAY!
* she doesn't listen to her once favorite musicians like Rocio durcal o Juan Gabriel but now those corny christiam singers
and so on...
My mom said "well at least she is not depressed"
and I answered "how if she is now a zombie that burned a notebook with a pineapple because it looked like the devil?!"
she didn't said a thing...silence says more than 1000 words anyway
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"Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down schmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?"
— George Carlin
As the George Carlin quote suggests, the act of prayer seems a little odd for people with belief in a god who is supposed to be omniscient and omnibenevolent. Clearly an omniscient god would already be aware of your problems and know what you want. Ultimately, your request may be regarded by God as either good or evil. If it is good, then why would God not have granted your wishes already? If it is evil, then why would God ever grant your request?
"Successful" prayers rarely have an unambiguous form. Apologists point to events like cancers that go into remission or people waking up from comas as evidence for the power of prayer. Yet cancer goes into remission and people wake up from comas all the time. How are we to tell the difference between cancer that healed naturally (or thanks to the presence of skilled doctors) and cancer that was cured miraculously? A commonly asked question is, "Why doesn't God heal amputees?" Live footage of a severed limb miraculously regrowing would be far more convincing as proof of the power of prayer. Yet such prayers are apparently never answered, or answered away from the prying eyes of meddlesome investigators.
— George Carlin
As the George Carlin quote suggests, the act of prayer seems a little odd for people with belief in a god who is supposed to be omniscient and omnibenevolent. Clearly an omniscient god would already be aware of your problems and know what you want. Ultimately, your request may be regarded by God as either good or evil. If it is good, then why would God not have granted your wishes already? If it is evil, then why would God ever grant your request?
"Successful" prayers rarely have an unambiguous form. Apologists point to events like cancers that go into remission or people waking up from comas as evidence for the power of prayer. Yet cancer goes into remission and people wake up from comas all the time. How are we to tell the difference between cancer that healed naturally (or thanks to the presence of skilled doctors) and cancer that was cured miraculously? A commonly asked question is, "Why doesn't God heal amputees?" Live footage of a severed limb miraculously regrowing would be far more convincing as proof of the power of prayer. Yet such prayers are apparently never answered, or answered away from the prying eyes of meddlesome investigators.
Although, that would seem to contradict what Jesus (the physical embodiment of God) said:
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
4) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
4) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
Yes it might seem to contradict but based upon what is to be understood in the spirit and word of the four examples you have provided, then would it be absolutely wrong to provide a hypothetical fifth saying that says, 'I say unto you, if you and those about you who truly believe in me ask in prayer for the very same thing, then it shall be given to each of you in infinite number without it being shorn asunder.'
Holy books quite often tend to offer up what to the universe and those in it are either the miraculous or the impossible. Sadly there are very few examples for non-believers to look to for conversion.
Holy books quite often tend to offer up what to the universe and those in it are either the miraculous or the impossible. Sadly there are very few examples for non-believers to look to for conversion.
Holy books and the words of Holy Persons tend to promise the impossible simply through the power of prayer and if the believer has enough faith. Apparently no two people have ever mustered enough prayer power or had enough faith to both receive the same thing at the exact same time.
we no ma si vieras hubo una reunion de cristianos hermanitos de la luz y como vivo en una zona con mucho vendedor de fayuca, lo vieron como demoniaco vender fayuca y entre unos 7 u 8 vomitaron, si VOMITARON en el suelo para expresar su repudio a los fayukeros O.o ah y no empecemos con los adoradores de la "santa muerte" no ma el pinche altar tiene un chingo de madres pa (adivina) los hijos de las madres de weyes ke tan en la carcel, pobrecitos no los vayan a matar :C ah y no se si es por ahcer mala fama a los homosexuales, pero el "santo padre de la iglesia de la santa muerte" anuncio ke iba a oficiar 9 bodas entre parejas homosexuales O.o
Eugh. You obviously did not read the Bible, lest you would be talking about SHAVING being bad! /talking to the so-called "born-again" aunt/
Burning her Atari games? Eto...
If her collection really was as big as you said, then there had to be AT LEAST ONE "non-pagan" game! (Then again, from my experience, video games were an open event at a CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST pseudo-Olympics*!)
Looking for Jesus for strength is actually something I support... a lot.
...corny? Eto...
...I am not so sure how she would respond to me. We might get along just fine in the beginning, yet I might end up coming back to you.
* = At a certain school to which I went, most of the students go once a year to a type of event that was basically a compilation of all sorts of events, not just sports. The thing is that even the teachers warned us about they being fundamentalist, so certain dress procedures had to be brought about (thankfully not to me, since most of the stuff not allowed is stuff that I do not like, such as piercings.)
Burning her Atari games? Eto...
If her collection really was as big as you said, then there had to be AT LEAST ONE "non-pagan" game! (Then again, from my experience, video games were an open event at a CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST pseudo-Olympics*!)
Looking for Jesus for strength is actually something I support... a lot.
...corny? Eto...
...I am not so sure how she would respond to me. We might get along just fine in the beginning, yet I might end up coming back to you.
* = At a certain school to which I went, most of the students go once a year to a type of event that was basically a compilation of all sorts of events, not just sports. The thing is that even the teachers warned us about they being fundamentalist, so certain dress procedures had to be brought about (thankfully not to me, since most of the stuff not allowed is stuff that I do not like, such as piercings.)
Yes, the new born christian is always a problem. They over do it, but they mean well. They want to share they love for the Lord and show others the way, while they themselves have so much to learn and know. They are like new born babies. Trying so hard to walk and talk and just making a lot of nonsense that few want to hear. Many mean well, but only a few in time only get worst than calm down like the rest do.
para que razurarze si JESUS TUVO BARBA Y BIGOTE!!!!!!!
http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/.....GES/Jesus3.jpg
e ahi el mal
http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/.....GES/Jesus3.jpg
e ahi el mal
Where I'm from (and I'm sure you're talking about the same group of people) they're apparently called Born again christians. I've gotta say I completely agree with you though. Absolutely bat shit insane.
Unfortunately for me I've been living with one for about a year now. >_< His brother's just as ridiculous.
As for the whole Jesus talk, yes, he does the same thing CONSTANTLY. Regardless of wither what he's talking about has anything to do with it or not, it seems like everything has to do with Jesus in some way.
Unfortunately for me I've been living with one for about a year now. >_< His brother's just as ridiculous.
As for the whole Jesus talk, yes, he does the same thing CONSTANTLY. Regardless of wither what he's talking about has anything to do with it or not, it seems like everything has to do with Jesus in some way.
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