I giggled so much when I saw this, I love the boat

Ignorance is bliss ^_^

hahaha your so edgy

Next up: your salute to Robert G. Ingersoll, yes?

I had to google the name. =(

HAH! Flat earth...sun in orbit...ship falling off the edge...and is that an EEG readout on the heart?? *snickerfits*

The sea serpent and the yahweh = unknown bit are almost anticlimactic after that :p

It's a heart with what I think is a crown of thorns encircling it. I'm not catholic, so I'm only passingly familiar with the exact mythology and symbolism.

Ah. See, some peoples once thought the heart was the seat of human consciousness, so an electroencephalogram readout on a heart would be another symbol of ignorance, is why I thought that. :p

... speaking of ignorance, my brain failed to register the difference between electroencephelogram and electrocardiogram when you asked. That's not a bad interpretation and it fits the theme, but it's a little subtle for a picture of Jesus presiding resplendent over a flat, monster-infested Earth. XD

very well done. is that a sum of sign? why the 2 leaks? are those little boxes of tea falling out of the boat?

The boxes don't contain anything specific. The symbol is an integral, "the area contained by." I thought about using a sigma for "sum of," but I prefered the swirlier symbol.

nice choices... heh, i say tea because im from boston. do the 2 leaks of water mean anything?

They're supposed to show water falling off the disc of the earth. Doing it all the way around would've been harder, toyed with how I placed things, and made it less obvious that the earth was flat.

Ignorance... Ignorance is everywhere, in every people, and should be associated with curiosity and not intolerance, because the effects are totally opposite. the first one is "good", the second "bad", as long as we can define what's "good" from what's "bad". Socrate, who was not half an idiot indeed, said once : "I know only one thing, and that's I know nothing" after noticing that if he was very clever in philosophy, politics and some other subjects, he knew nothing about constructing boats, building houses, creating medicaments... For me, this is one of the WISEST sentence ever said in all humanity's existence.
You and me will be unable to survive three days in the Amazonia jungle, we are simply totally ignorants compared to the natives there.

Similar sentiments are expressed in my notes (a diary or journal of sorts). Shown here with the banner, the phrase is meant as a condemnation of the mindset that refuses to admit there's a difference between "I know" and "I think I know." It's a lighthearted, visually stimulating jab at people who think the greatest book in human history was written by people who thought every species on Earth lived within walking distance of Noah's house.

The simpler, earlier, Jesus-free version is aimed at the other meaning: the most important words in science are "I don't know." The second-most important words are "but I intend to find out."

Oh, by the way, what you said at the end just reminded me that what Jesus said and what christian religion built from it are two things sometimes TOTALLY opposed. I am totally agnostic myself, but I've a little studied jesus as the human he was and the ideas he had, and he was really a man of great valor. But centuries after centuries, things were added to his speeches, a certain mythology was created and most of his words were completely hijacked, either intentionnally (to set the power of the churches and states) or not (need for a theology Jesus never spoke about, for an history of humanity, for embelishing stories, successive reinterpretations accorded to the civilisations concerned...).
Apart from this, I totally agree with you.

Only vaguely related - have you seen the documentary "The God Who Wasn't There?" I know I watched it on YouTube or Google Video, but I can't find it again.

It's a feature-length documentary of the history of the early church. The director argues that Jesus wasn't considered a real person or historical figures until the second century. I haven't done enough research to say if it's accurate or not, but it's a nice way to kill an hour and a half if you can find it.

LOL no, I didn't see it - but it is not a question among serious specialists, you'll always find somebody who will tell you that somebody - or some historic facts - never existes anyway...

So how do you know what was hijacked and what was added to what Jesus said? I always hear people say, "You can't trust the Bible because people have edited it to hell over the centuries," yet other historic legends and documents remain the same, and nobody questions them.

I personally believe people simply *want* to believe that the Bible has been severely edited so they won't have to worry over whether or not they should read it.

Simply because there are a lot of contradictory things following this or that story, and because we KNOW more or less when and by who things have been added in the Bible. We do have a good idea of the era Jesus lived, and some stories just don't match the facts. Plus, with every new discovering (like the latest Judas textes - despised by the actual churches because it goes against what they have created for centuries), our vision of Jesus and his world goes more and more precise each year, although it is true we will never have the "truth". But don't underestimate the work of archeologists, historians and scientifics concerned by that matter... By the way, the Bible has ALWAYS been a symbolic and mythologic book, with successive reinterpretations (each translation distorts the previous text, and there have been MANY), and mixed events - we have been able to dissociate some facts during Mo�se times for examples, that were relocated far before or after. No serious historian would EVER take it as a book depicting facts the way they really happened (and I do not talk about all the miracles and so on here). Same for the speeches. They got distorded minutes after minutes, how would you believe they could remain intact centuries after, when the Bible began to be written ???!!!!! But in correlating the testimonies about the people who approached him, and what they told to the successive generations, we do got a more precise view about who was Jesus, what was his behavior, what kind of philosophy he gave his contemporaries.

What are some of the contradictory things you are speaking of?

I do not know those things myself, but I trust the scientists and historians about it (or else who could you rely on ??!!!) - there are stories that contradict others in the facts or the dates, historical events that contradicts some stories and so on. Like I said, encounters of some historical characters, although they lived centuries before or after the related story. Kinda hard NOT to put a hold in the trust you can get in the whole thing, mmmh ?... BTW, it's quite logical - with such an historical figure as Jesus was, it was impossible that fantasized stories didn't pop up in the philosophical and theological book - NOT made to be historical, and this since the beginning, that is the big point here, real historical reports didn't appear until a few centuries ago, before that it was always mixed with personal feelings, emphasizes, symbolisms, legends, gossips and so on - that the Bible is.

You shouldn't always believe what those guys tell you.
I've seen some of those so called 'contradictions' and they always seem to contain information that has been taken out of context or paraphrased incorrectly.
I say, read the book itself and draw your own conclusions.
That's what I do and I have yet to find an indiscrepancy.



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WHAT book ? The official one that has been created by the Church little by little centuries after centuries, WAY after some of the real historical events occured, with SO many creations and interpretations that it doesn't reflect any actual thing but rather the thoughts of the Middle Age (the Church itself admits most of it has been created or deformed throughout years), or all the different almost original textes done just a few centuries after, that contradicts the ones and the others, some being rejected by the Church because it goes against what it installed to get power over people (you know about Judas textes ?) ? How can you read textes and understand them if you don't have a good knowledge about the civilisation that created them, the society, the religions, the politics, and if you don't have a strong historical knowledge ? For everybody but historians, the Bible should be taken as what it is, a philosophy book that's taking and adapts historical events to explain its views, a book of morale told through constructed stories for a good part.
How can you tell what's true from what's wrong in a text that mixing a few historical events and totally created stories like Adam and Eve (note that this "story" has been created LONG after Jesus and his teachings) ? A book that's reporting supposed facts that have been written sometimes MILLENARIES after they happened, knowing that two or three human generations are enough to totally change a story transmitted orally - sometimes it just needs HOURS for that ??!!!!!!
Sorry, I can't make my own conclusions about this without a strong help from "those guys" who know way much than me about this. History is something to be taken seriously and with much knowledge, you and me are not the ones who can speak about it with confidence, we are totally stuck by a way of thinking that's specific to our century, to our society, even to our own neighborhood. I've seen and read too much specialized reports and books to tell you that.

Yeah, you're right.
I'm not an expert.
I believe in Jesus, but I won't force you to believe what I believe, I just want to give everyone a chance.
Is that wrong?

Of course it isn't, did I say such a thing ? Everybody got the right in believe in what he wants if it doesn't hurt others, but in the case of the principal religions, I just say that the textes are to be considered EXTREMELY carefully as they are not accurate history facts at all but rather created stories to meditate on - depending on a context that is long gone also and might differ completely from actual situation, which leads to many big and severe misinterpretations.
Anyway, I'd prefer to hear the word "opportunity" rather than "chance", which could implicitely means no salute outside this belief. But a belief is just what it is, and must not be forced upon others under threat of being in the wrong way or punished or anything. This is just plain wrong, intolerant and colonialist.
I personnally don't believe in any deity (I don't need to be reassured about afterlife or about the origins of the universe, science got enough wonderful things to tell me already) but respect other's beliefs, anyway I am deeply into the buddhism philosophy for I think this is the wisest and most universal way of thinking the actual world.

"Don't believe people who are alive and have done studies, believe a book written by an unknown author" Ignorance in it's essence.

Nothing like insulting an entire religion eh? good for you. Congratulations and have fun. Honestly, I don't care what you are, Atheist, agnostic, Christan, bhuddist, ot otherwise. What I do care about is people insulting other people's beliefs. Wanna discuss it? Have a bloody discussion. But this is not something that brings about discussion. This is something that brings about hurt, anger, and the like.

I hope that you'll take this comment...as it is. A comment. Not an insult, not something to try and offend someone, Not something that is much like your own artwork, something made in the attempt to incite anger, rage, and general bad feelings.

Not all beliefs are created equal. Christianity kept pagans, jews, women, and blacks down for centuries on end. I don't hold much respect for belief systems that threaten me with damnation for not sacrificing my time, energy, and supposedly God-given free will to obvious fairy tales and tribal superstitions.

Not to insult you, but I find your comment's supporting sentiment to be misguided. Even if the elements within the image were without historical precedent, I don't think it's overtly insulting or offensive to group together things I don't believe based on common sense. This picture wasn't meant to incite anything but laughter and thoughts on God-of-the-gaps theology. If you or anyone you know was enraged, angered, or suddenly overwhelmed with bad feelings just by looking at a vector doodle that suggests Christians have silly beliefs, I suggest counseling for acute oversenitivity.

I did not have any angry thoughts, nor bad feelings. However, I do know that most drawings of things such as this are meant to incite such.

As for the previous times. I agree. People did in fact, misuse, and abuse Christianity. They used, and twisted the words of Christ to justify to themselves, and others, the genocide of countless millions...Just like the terrorists are doing now. And just like every single religion extremist will. I find it odd that someone compares modern day religion with dark ages stuff, where the belief of magic was still rampent, where people were thrown out of the church, when Jesus stated that all are welcome within his house.

Yes. I agree. They were stupid. The holy wars were nothing more than a justification of going somewhere and slaughtering a people. Again. JUST like what's happening towards Christians now.

This is my belief....Believe what you will...I honestly don't care. Don't try to push them on me, and I won't do the same. God gave us all free will. He gave us the free will to make decisions, good or bad. I happen to believe that Christanity is a good decision...At least for myself. Believe what you will, I don't care. But I do not care for people insulting what I believe in....I am not trying to get you to take it down or anything, this is a free country. Freedom of speech, understanding that you also have the free will to say whatever you want to .
I merely wished to state that alot of the times, when I see something like this...It seems aimed towards inciting problems.

"Yes. I agree. They were stupid. The holy wars were nothing more than a justification of going somewhere and slaughtering a people. Again. JUST like what's happening towards Christians now."

Are you claiming that right now people are slaughtering christians left and right? Because that is an outright LIE. Look at what Christians (usa in this case) are doing, slaughtering muslims. OVer half a million killed already in this war.

"This is my belief....Believe what you will...I honestly don't care. Don't try to push them on me, and I won't do the same. God gave us all free will. He gave us the free will to make decisions, good or bad. "

Eh you just claimed that you don't try to push your religion on others and the next sentence you claim god gave HIM a free will, thus forcing your beliefs on him.

And it is NOT his fault Christian's can not take a joke and that they are sensitive drama queens.

ISIS.

'Nuf said.

Yes 6000 insane people killing is enoug to condemn TWO BILLION people *facepalm* Let's look at christians: Usa killed half a million people in the middle east, England & france killed muslims in the middle east,half of europe is guilty of mass murdering muslims in the middle east in the past TEN years. But yes a SMALL organization of 6000-8000 people is enough to condemn TWO billion people? Dumbest statement in the history of the planet.

BTW, Woo! Necromancy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

Also ISIS is NOT slaugthering christians. They killed ONE reporter and you do NOT know if he was atheist, christian or muslim or any other of the hundreds of religions out there.

Mmhmm, whatevs.
Not just Christians, but ANYBODY that doesn't agree with them, including fellow Muslims.
But don't take my word for it, I'm not in Iraq.
Have some respected media sources instead.
NBC: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ja.....d-isis-n185116
CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/10/world.....t/iraq-crisis/
New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/17/w.....ages.html?_r=0

I thought you said you had respectable media sources. But yes they do kill people, but so does the USA and in far greater numbers.

Not my fault you don't respect them.

Can't respect big media that is not neutral and are owned by political parties, same reason I got NO respect for my countries media, not a single one is neutral & all are owned by different political parties.

You're right. I am so sorry. This was seven years ago, and I was a massive idiot. I'm an Athiest now, and fuck christianity and it's ignorances.

I want to apologize for this. This was seven years ago and oh god I was such a fucking moron. Please forgive me.

It is YOUR choice to become insulted. Just like it is his choice to create art.
You don't have to respect his art, but he does not have to respect your feelings.

I like it.

I knew the world was flat but round thats just silly!! LOL

I am OUTRAGED Where is the moon in the picture? There is non :O Luna hater!