upgraded blender now I have to relearn it. Its not that much different but there are some things I dont have a clue as to where they went so I will have to mess with it some more. I didn make that Sonic model thats from Sonic Adventure Im using it as a ref for the polygons, im going for some thing a little simpler looking. Hips always seem to give me the most problems when i model things i also find them to be the most difficult to draw too