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A more up close view of Xerxes' head.
More pictures can be seen in the gallery: http://lacy.timduru.org/gallery.php?a=folder&id=120
More pictures can be seen in the gallery: http://lacy.timduru.org/gallery.php?a=folder&id=120
Category All / Fursuit
Species Vulpine (Other)
Size 400 x 604px
File Size 231.1 kB
With that work quality, double the price and they might find it reasonable.
With the time they spent, you'd better not seriously be suggesting under 750$ for it. This you would feasibly and respectably pay if they had to sell it quickly due to cancellation.
Looks like a custom balaclava base too. That makes it even more hard to do, because balaclava are ass to sculpt things on top of.
High-quality woolknit balaclava = $20 dollars.
Fabric of exotic color and high-quality shag = 25-30$ per yard. I'd say at a low estimate they had two yards of each color invested for just the head. = 50-60$ of fabric at least. (70-80$)
Black leather-style non-threading vinyl = 12$ per yard. You are lucky if you find a remnant big enough to use in the fabric ends, and even luckier if it's not tainted with other materials, scratched, or punctured. Make it a full yard, because even good intentions can be ruined with an ill-placed sharp object. (82-92$)
Firmpack bendable foam (I'd say at least 2" thick) = $17.50 a sheet. A suiter doesn't buy less than that unless they're foolishly counting on luck or talent. Of either no one is perfectly endowed, not even the experts...because you can't insure yourself against a bad day. (99.50-109.50$)
Cluster stuff = 4.50$ a bag. They bought at least two if they used it, and if they hadn't it wouldn't have come out so lovely. Assume $9.00. (108.50-118.50$)
Overlay batting = You cannot buy a yard of batting without buying a ruined yard. Buy a whole roll at 8.25$ per roll. (116.75-126.75$)
Fleece looseline = $10 dollars a bag for standard color. Usually at that hue it's about $11.50 or more. Likely, they worked like hell and ended up throwing away a third to a half of it because of pilling, tangling, melting (possibly), or other acts of man or animal. Add 11.50$. (128.25-138.25$)
Strong hi-test seamstress thread = $2.50 a small spool, 13$ for a full cone. We'll go with the latter. (141.25-151.25$)
Time spent = Usually for this type of work, minimum wage of $12.25 per hour is assessed. Add $612.50 for 50 standard hours assumed, as well as an additional hour for final preparations, ($12.25) at $624.75
141.25 + 624.75 = $766.00, the low material value of the head by prepared investment standards.
$776.00 is the higher estimate, and covers a standard value of over-under relation in terms of where, when, and under what condition they bought the materials (higher price, lower quantity, effort invested to get a few hard to find items)
And with this, they'd break even. They could easily insure this piece for that much.
So, average markup on work is about 15%, standard. 114.90 is the 15% of the lesser. 116.40 is the 15% of the greater. With their variation range on prices, you assume the average of the two, which is a markup cost of 115.65$. Add this to either price.
$766.00 + 115.65 = $881.65$
776.00 + 115.65 = 891.65$
If they charged less than about $900 for this piece, they'd be cheating themselves under the law of their quality and assumed retail price of their labor and materials.
Don't, repeat, DO NOT, ask for something at less than half the value. This is NOT eBay or a thrift store. They would be killing their market if they sold it that cheap, and you would be royally screwing them in terms of the value of their piece.
Your material want is not worth the debasement of their time. Give a reasonable offer if you want something.
And BTW, I am JEWISH. One reason we're commonly called money-grubbers is that we tend to study retail trends in school and at home more than our peers.
I'm frugal, but Got in himmel, if you tried to make me that offer for something I made of that high quality, I'd show you the door.
With the time they spent, you'd better not seriously be suggesting under 750$ for it. This you would feasibly and respectably pay if they had to sell it quickly due to cancellation.
Looks like a custom balaclava base too. That makes it even more hard to do, because balaclava are ass to sculpt things on top of.
High-quality woolknit balaclava = $20 dollars.
Fabric of exotic color and high-quality shag = 25-30$ per yard. I'd say at a low estimate they had two yards of each color invested for just the head. = 50-60$ of fabric at least. (70-80$)
Black leather-style non-threading vinyl = 12$ per yard. You are lucky if you find a remnant big enough to use in the fabric ends, and even luckier if it's not tainted with other materials, scratched, or punctured. Make it a full yard, because even good intentions can be ruined with an ill-placed sharp object. (82-92$)
Firmpack bendable foam (I'd say at least 2" thick) = $17.50 a sheet. A suiter doesn't buy less than that unless they're foolishly counting on luck or talent. Of either no one is perfectly endowed, not even the experts...because you can't insure yourself against a bad day. (99.50-109.50$)
Cluster stuff = 4.50$ a bag. They bought at least two if they used it, and if they hadn't it wouldn't have come out so lovely. Assume $9.00. (108.50-118.50$)
Overlay batting = You cannot buy a yard of batting without buying a ruined yard. Buy a whole roll at 8.25$ per roll. (116.75-126.75$)
Fleece looseline = $10 dollars a bag for standard color. Usually at that hue it's about $11.50 or more. Likely, they worked like hell and ended up throwing away a third to a half of it because of pilling, tangling, melting (possibly), or other acts of man or animal. Add 11.50$. (128.25-138.25$)
Strong hi-test seamstress thread = $2.50 a small spool, 13$ for a full cone. We'll go with the latter. (141.25-151.25$)
Time spent = Usually for this type of work, minimum wage of $12.25 per hour is assessed. Add $612.50 for 50 standard hours assumed, as well as an additional hour for final preparations, ($12.25) at $624.75
141.25 + 624.75 = $766.00, the low material value of the head by prepared investment standards.
$776.00 is the higher estimate, and covers a standard value of over-under relation in terms of where, when, and under what condition they bought the materials (higher price, lower quantity, effort invested to get a few hard to find items)
And with this, they'd break even. They could easily insure this piece for that much.
So, average markup on work is about 15%, standard. 114.90 is the 15% of the lesser. 116.40 is the 15% of the greater. With their variation range on prices, you assume the average of the two, which is a markup cost of 115.65$. Add this to either price.
$766.00 + 115.65 = $881.65$
776.00 + 115.65 = 891.65$
If they charged less than about $900 for this piece, they'd be cheating themselves under the law of their quality and assumed retail price of their labor and materials.
Don't, repeat, DO NOT, ask for something at less than half the value. This is NOT eBay or a thrift store. They would be killing their market if they sold it that cheap, and you would be royally screwing them in terms of the value of their piece.
Your material want is not worth the debasement of their time. Give a reasonable offer if you want something.
And BTW, I am JEWISH. One reason we're commonly called money-grubbers is that we tend to study retail trends in school and at home more than our peers.
I'm frugal, but Got in himmel, if you tried to make me that offer for something I made of that high quality, I'd show you the door.
Thanks for the reply. :) This suit actually wasn't listed for sale, it was custom made for a customer which is typically what the majority of our work is. We are just showcasing some newer stuff here on FA, kind of a new service for us since we mainly just stuck to our site and LJ in the past.
You are definitely right in saying we'd be cheating ourselves, we charge $1700+ for custom full-suits, and the range varies depending on design and detail. Most of this is visible on the website, so prospective customers can easily see what to expect pricewise from us.
You are definitely right in saying we'd be cheating ourselves, we charge $1700+ for custom full-suits, and the range varies depending on design and detail. Most of this is visible on the website, so prospective customers can easily see what to expect pricewise from us.
But of course! I study retail value in school as a hobby, not as a requirement. My ideal job would be producing commodities like this.
By the way, I really think he's being insane when he suggests his prices. He's just trying to get a lark price for a professional job, which he won't get from you. Don't take him seriously.
By the way, I really think he's being insane when he suggests his prices. He's just trying to get a lark price for a professional job, which he won't get from you. Don't take him seriously.
This suit was custom made for a customer and is not for sale. If you're interested in our work, you can check out our site here: http://www.fursuiting.com
Full-suits start at $1700 and go up from there.
Full-suits start at $1700 and go up from there.
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