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Kandlin
For those of you who have yet to read "Ester's Black Eye" this is the first kiss between Ester and Diana, a very touching and heart warming moment that means alot to me. Its the moment that started it all for these two young lovers.
Thank you so much Kandlin, I hope you all enjoy something that was so sweet in my head.
KandlinFor those of you who have yet to read "Ester's Black Eye" this is the first kiss between Ester and Diana, a very touching and heart warming moment that means alot to me. Its the moment that started it all for these two young lovers.
Thank you so much Kandlin, I hope you all enjoy something that was so sweet in my head.
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I remember that part in the story. Diana was always a little too... hmm... crude, for my tastes. Blunt, direct, to the point... little to no seduction involved. I always felt that she was a little... lacking... because of that blunt directness. She does, however, get results, and get Ester to obey her completely, so she's not doing bad. But I can't help but wonder, if Diana ever decided to get a bit smoother, how much easier she would be able to get around the intervening Parental Authority Figures in Ester's family? Of course, without a little challenge for the characters to overcome, where's the story?
Not that I critique the writing style, far from it. But it almost paints Diana as a villain more than a supporting cast, someone you want to dislike intensely as a character because of all the crap she puts Ester through, all the trouble Ester gets into because of her. Normally, there are more negative things than positive things happening when Diana gets the reigns in her hands (again). If Diana would think before acting, if she were smoother and had some charm to her, if she acted like she cared about Ester more as a person, it would go a long way to redeeming the character in my eyes.
Of course, she'd still be a dominant, would still have Ester dancing to her tune, still have a heavy BDSM theme (or at least Ds with light bondage from time to time), still do all those wonderful things that Ester is only starting to realize how much she craves... but she'd also show that while she does these things to her, she's not being cruel, but expressing how deeply she cares, and giving Ester pleasure she's never experienced before in the process, making it a terribly intimate scene. Right now, Diana still has that "cruel dom who tops for her pleasure only without regard to her bottom" vibe. If her 'tough dike' mask could crack, around Ester and *ONLY* to Ester, to show why she acts so indifferent to everyone, that would be... speckfuckingtacular.
Of course, they're your characters, feel free to continue writing them as you like. I am quite content to continue reading your stories and still frowning at Diana and docking points for her crude style when she pulls stunts like the Hair Dye Incident. In a way, I guess it makes me even more eager to read it, hoping that she'll start learning to be smoother. But, character-wise, it would be a dramatic break from her 'norm' that has been painted for her, so either the transition would have to be slow and largely unseen but building up over several stories, or something big would have to occur which would cause Diana to break down in front of Ester.
Bah, I'm just rambling on, cluttering up your wonderful comish with rather unflattering comments on one of your characters.
I remember that part in the story. Diana was always a little too... hmm... crude, for my tastes. Blunt, direct, to the point... little to no seduction involved. I always felt that she was a little... lacking... because of that blunt directness. She does, however, get results, and get Ester to obey her completely, so she's not doing bad. But I can't help but wonder, if Diana ever decided to get a bit smoother, how much easier she would be able to get around the intervening Parental Authority Figures in Ester's family? Of course, without a little challenge for the characters to overcome, where's the story?
Not that I critique the writing style, far from it. But it almost paints Diana as a villain more than a supporting cast, someone you want to dislike intensely as a character because of all the crap she puts Ester through, all the trouble Ester gets into because of her. Normally, there are more negative things than positive things happening when Diana gets the reigns in her hands (again). If Diana would think before acting, if she were smoother and had some charm to her, if she acted like she cared about Ester more as a person, it would go a long way to redeeming the character in my eyes.
Of course, she'd still be a dominant, would still have Ester dancing to her tune, still have a heavy BDSM theme (or at least Ds with light bondage from time to time), still do all those wonderful things that Ester is only starting to realize how much she craves... but she'd also show that while she does these things to her, she's not being cruel, but expressing how deeply she cares, and giving Ester pleasure she's never experienced before in the process, making it a terribly intimate scene. Right now, Diana still has that "cruel dom who tops for her pleasure only without regard to her bottom" vibe. If her 'tough dike' mask could crack, around Ester and *ONLY* to Ester, to show why she acts so indifferent to everyone, that would be... speckfuckingtacular.
Of course, they're your characters, feel free to continue writing them as you like. I am quite content to continue reading your stories and still frowning at Diana and docking points for her crude style when she pulls stunts like the Hair Dye Incident. In a way, I guess it makes me even more eager to read it, hoping that she'll start learning to be smoother. But, character-wise, it would be a dramatic break from her 'norm' that has been painted for her, so either the transition would have to be slow and largely unseen but building up over several stories, or something big would have to occur which would cause Diana to break down in front of Ester.
Bah, I'm just rambling on, cluttering up your wonderful comish with rather unflattering comments on one of your characters.
n.n honeslty I am very glad to hear from someone who knows the work this comes from, and to get some insight on how other people see Diana. I will admit it was not entirety flattering, but knowing you as a writer and critic I know you are at least honest and forward with your views. That is why I respect them so much, and why I am glad to read anything you put up.
As for Diana, well she is Diana. She simply is the product of where she has been waiting on the flow of time to take her where she will be, and where that is who can say? yes I know that is a cop out answer since Every character in every book or story is exactly the same way... except the 'souldrinker' series of 40K books... those were surprisingly unable to evolve any character depth over three novels. One of the many reasons I try to avoid stuff from Black Library.
Still regardless of your feelings the fact is you have them, you have a vested interest in the characters and who they are and what they do. That alone is enough of a complement to me. It also makes me feel bad that I got sick yesterday, the day I was going to finally read some of your stuff, but I shall simply resovle to finish it off tomorrow (now today since its 3:10) and give you the same kind of wonderful insight and feedback you have given me. Please never feel that the comments you give about my work are not utterly adored.
As for Diana, well she is Diana. She simply is the product of where she has been waiting on the flow of time to take her where she will be, and where that is who can say? yes I know that is a cop out answer since Every character in every book or story is exactly the same way... except the 'souldrinker' series of 40K books... those were surprisingly unable to evolve any character depth over three novels. One of the many reasons I try to avoid stuff from Black Library.
Still regardless of your feelings the fact is you have them, you have a vested interest in the characters and who they are and what they do. That alone is enough of a complement to me. It also makes me feel bad that I got sick yesterday, the day I was going to finally read some of your stuff, but I shall simply resovle to finish it off tomorrow (now today since its 3:10) and give you the same kind of wonderful insight and feedback you have given me. Please never feel that the comments you give about my work are not utterly adored.
I would like to point out that I don't have any problems with how you have written the character. She's an entirely believable, internally consistent, dynamic character who fuels the story with multiple plot twists. From a writer's perspective, she's one of the best characters I've read about in a good while.
I just have the feeling that if I were in these stories, I wouldn't exactly be Diana's friend. In fact, I'd probably be trying to convince Ester to grow a backbone and leave her. In fact, that might be an interesting plot point... one of Ester's friends finally decides that Diana has 'gone way too far', and she isn't good for Ester, and starts trying to undermine the relationship and get them split up, for Ester's health and well being. It won't work, of course, because there is more to the relationship than 'outsiders' realize, but it could make for an interesting plot...
The thing is, it isn't intended to be a critique of how you write Diana. In fact, you can take it as an enormous compliment that I get so immersed in the story that I can actually realize that there would be a huge personality conflict if we were ever to actually meet. Not many writers have been able to suck me in like that, and I don't think *any* writer has ever drawn me into a story series where I don't actually much care for one of the characters, but love reading about her.
I just have the feeling that if I were in these stories, I wouldn't exactly be Diana's friend. In fact, I'd probably be trying to convince Ester to grow a backbone and leave her. In fact, that might be an interesting plot point... one of Ester's friends finally decides that Diana has 'gone way too far', and she isn't good for Ester, and starts trying to undermine the relationship and get them split up, for Ester's health and well being. It won't work, of course, because there is more to the relationship than 'outsiders' realize, but it could make for an interesting plot...
The thing is, it isn't intended to be a critique of how you write Diana. In fact, you can take it as an enormous compliment that I get so immersed in the story that I can actually realize that there would be a huge personality conflict if we were ever to actually meet. Not many writers have been able to suck me in like that, and I don't think *any* writer has ever drawn me into a story series where I don't actually much care for one of the characters, but love reading about her.
Oh trust me I take it as a MASSIVE complament. The fact that you have strong feelings like that about her character at this point is honestly something I adore. It shows that she still draws you in, that you still care about the characters and in fact care even more because you can dislike.
The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference.
I just hope that as the characters go on they continue to hold you like this. It really makes me feel wonderful to know that I can affect someone that way, especially someone who knows his stuff.
Anyways I shall be reading some of your stuff a bit later today, really can't wait.
The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference.
I just hope that as the characters go on they continue to hold you like this. It really makes me feel wonderful to know that I can affect someone that way, especially someone who knows his stuff.
Anyways I shall be reading some of your stuff a bit later today, really can't wait.
Well, I guess in my mind, I never saw Ester as strugling against the kiss. I always saw her as just accepting it in a confused, but deep and needful manner. Like a moment that she never knew she always desired until it came upon her. I saw Diana as less taking the kiss, as she is here, and more like she were taking what was hers. Expecting no fight, because you don't expect your possessions to resist being used for their purpose.
Also, I always had it in my mind that they were in the middle of the hallway, instead of pushed up against a locker. No need to hide even a single side of their arrangement. No need for Diana to rely on the support and strength of the building. Just open definition of 'you are mine'.
Also, I always had it in my mind that they were in the middle of the hallway, instead of pushed up against a locker. No need to hide even a single side of their arrangement. No need for Diana to rely on the support and strength of the building. Just open definition of 'you are mine'.
Well, looks like this one has stirred up quite a bit of talk, so I suppose I might as well drop my two cents. Number one being, I love this picture, it captures a moment thats very very important to the Mouse and to Me personally. Mousie is a great writer, and it has been fun to grow up as her editor mistress along with the story. That being said, the first story still has magic that I don't think will ever fully dispell.
And Clyde, I completely understand. There have been several times that the mouse has written Diana nicer, and I have urged her not to. Its not because I don't want her to grow into a nicer place, its because she hasto grow up with her mouse. If I were to simplify the way I see it, it would go like this. Ester, is to innocent for her own good, and Diana, Diana is to hard for her own good. The first time we ever described her, it was simply "A girl who can only really express affection through violence." Admittedly, that makes her a catalyst for a lot of whats going on, but her intentions, weather she wants to admit them or not, are mostly good.
A lot of what the first arc was about Ester growing a backbone, of learning to take a bit of Diana's hard edge and incorporate that into herself. This curent arc we are working on, is more about filing off that sharp point, and having Diana learn about herself, and how to interact in the world. Admittedly, she is still hard as brass tacks, but if you look, you will seen she has already grown. Admittedly, it has been on her own time, and in her own way, but she has grown.
And Clyde, I completely understand. There have been several times that the mouse has written Diana nicer, and I have urged her not to. Its not because I don't want her to grow into a nicer place, its because she hasto grow up with her mouse. If I were to simplify the way I see it, it would go like this. Ester, is to innocent for her own good, and Diana, Diana is to hard for her own good. The first time we ever described her, it was simply "A girl who can only really express affection through violence." Admittedly, that makes her a catalyst for a lot of whats going on, but her intentions, weather she wants to admit them or not, are mostly good.
A lot of what the first arc was about Ester growing a backbone, of learning to take a bit of Diana's hard edge and incorporate that into herself. This curent arc we are working on, is more about filing off that sharp point, and having Diana learn about herself, and how to interact in the world. Admittedly, she is still hard as brass tacks, but if you look, you will seen she has already grown. Admittedly, it has been on her own time, and in her own way, but she has grown.
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