HEY! Wake the futch up because I dunno what time it is where you live but around here it's time to get sacreligious in here, you sexy pleasure pistons!
*Cackles* SO, our nation of the United States has been around a few years now. We've been together through a mess or two, haven't we? Massive earthquakes, hurricanes, floods which almost destroyed entire cities, HOW many major wars with other nations? ....*sets her chin* some of which we didn't start, even from an objective point of view*smirks*... I'm not just referring to natural disasters or assaults upon our way of life from outside sources ether. We fight among ourselves almost as much IF not more than we do with other nations, don't we? *shrugs* We, as a country, seem to be incapable of just leaving each other the hell alone and getting down to enjoying those freedoms which our lineage fought and died for...
If you follow the news at all in this country you'll know that one of these things we seem to be completely unable to settle upon is our own country's basic history *eyebrow arcs* reality, if you will, and comprehension of said, is at a premium among many of our fine citizens. *removes her glasses, rubbing the bridge of her nose* If that sounds a little snarky and unnecessarily snide, I apologize to you, lovely watcher but it's called for at this point, I feel. The reason I say so is due to the simple fact that so... goddess... damned... many... things... people are STILL banging on about in our country are things which we settled years, decades or even over a century ago, often with the exact same data or even less of it.
Such as the old favourite.... *groans softly* "The Ten (christian)Commandments Are The Basis Of Our Constitution/Laws".....
*smiles* ....really?.... Are they now?
Well, then... As I used to be a minister*raises her hands in pantomime* '''in the before times...". let's get into that little bit of horrible misinformation, shall we, lovely watcher? Let's frame-by-frame that lie and break this tired, old absolute un-truth down by it's components. As many seem to feel they actually super-cede the constitution in terms of importance, we'll approach this from the side of the ten (christian)commandments. I should also add *smirks* I'm going to be going by what they actually say in the fucking bible, not what somewhat cute and kid-friendly lie your pastor, parents or other arbitrary authority figure taught you they MEANT... I've got my own delusions to deal with, you can go get your own. We don't need somebody else's cluttering up the conversation as well, lovely watcher...
So, from the top-- (Please, bear with me, as this is going to get wordy and pretentious. It is 'god' after all...)
1"I am the Lord Thy God which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt the house of bondage, thou shalt have no strange gods before me" ...Well, there's a violation of The Establishment Clause and The First Amendment, our fundamental freedom to worship as we see fit. So, the first commandment is thoroughly un-American and out right off the bat. NOT a law, never has been, never should be.
2"That shalt not maketh unto thee any graven image or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow thyself to them, nor serve them, for I am the LORD thy God and I am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me" ...We can't make "idols to praise or worship? Again, That's NOT a law in ANY part of this country. From The Baphomet to Jon Bon Jovi, EVERY American offers praise to some manner of "idol". We have idols, arguably, on everything from the posters on our walls to the freaking one-dollar bill. *jerks her thumb over her shoulder* RIGHT outta here.
Can we also make a note that the "perfect, all-loving, all-forgiving" god of Abraham just said that if you "hate" him, he will punish you, your kids, your grandkids, your great-grandkidsand your great-great-grandkids...? Just a side observation...
3"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain" Again, NOT a law and a blatant violation of that 'Freedom of Speech' thing we all enjoy so much. *whistles* OUTTA here.... Goddammit...
4"Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God; in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates..." Outside of the question of which "sabbath day are we referring to, this is again NOT a law, never has been, defies our free enterprise system of economics and is medieval, superstitious nonsense. If my cat wants to bury a turd on Sunday I'm not stopping her, eat me. NEXT-
5"Honour thy father and thy mother; that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." In a nation with hundreds of thousands of children up for adoption, children born of rape, incest, artificial insemination, children of unknown parents, broken families, divorced families, re-married two, three or four-times over families, this is not only NOT a law, it's also impossible. WHSSHT! Get that outta here too...
May I also add, just for myself, that on that point of "that thy days may be long" I'm a Satanist and a hedonist. My biological family wants nothing to do with me, in a very legal sense. My name is mine alone. All that said, I've now out-lived the expectations of my physicians by five years. *thumbs up* WOOTS!
6"Thou shalt not kill..." I'm going with this abbreviated version of the commandment as although a much longer and more vulgar statement appears in Hebrew texts, this is the one most often seen in American bible translations. Also, although I would say that I give this one up as a point in the (christian)bible's favour, it was a law in dozens of societies and cultures which pre-date any iteration of the text by thousands of years. So again, this IS a law but not one based on the ten(christian)commandments.
7"Thou shalt not commit adultery." *stares, blank-faced* Nope. NOT a law. Never has been and I doubt it ever will be.
8"Thou shalt not steal." Again, although this IS a law, more or less, and I might be tempted to make a second tally-mark on the(christian)bible's side, I'm sorry but this was also a law in cultures which pre-dated ANY version of the Hebrew faith by millennia. "Don't touch my stuff" is a fairly basic sentiment which Thogg and Grukk probably established as a rule back when we lived in caves and feared the moon was going to come out of the sky and eat us.
9"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" As much as I would sometimes like lying to be illegal, it isn't. This can only be considered a law as it applies to given testimony under oath and even then, much as with previous examples of killing and stealing, this was an established practice in cultures pre-dating the ten(christian)commandments, such as The Babylonians. So, again, NOT a law. Moving on...
10"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." ...The act of "coveting" would be a thought-crime. Our entire concept of personal liberty, regardless of political leaning, stands against that notion. Besides which, people smarter and wiser than myself established a long time ago that our entire economy was based upon "coveting". It drives why we get out of bed in the morning and go to our jobs, try to look good for potential mates, further our education for more gainful employment.... this one is not only NOT a law and thoroughly un-American, it's anti-capitalist(whether you support capitalism or not) ...
SO... *sips her drink* There you go, lovely watcher. Laid out in full, the entire point-by-point, fact-checked issue, just for you. *smiles* because I love you and I respect you a bit more than you might think.... Yes, even if you're a christian(some of ya'll are dead sexy bitches, you get me?)... and definitely more than the yarbo currently typing out their ten-paragraph summary of how wrong I am in the comment section.
Maybe we should build a monument to Babylonian Law and put it on The Bible's front lawn? *chuckles* Seems to follow the same logic and it would be a more consistent application of it. *shrugs* Enjoy your evening, you sexy bouillon cubes of joy. *raises her glass* Cheers! One love for us all.
*Cackles* SO, our nation of the United States has been around a few years now. We've been together through a mess or two, haven't we? Massive earthquakes, hurricanes, floods which almost destroyed entire cities, HOW many major wars with other nations? ....*sets her chin* some of which we didn't start, even from an objective point of view*smirks*... I'm not just referring to natural disasters or assaults upon our way of life from outside sources ether. We fight among ourselves almost as much IF not more than we do with other nations, don't we? *shrugs* We, as a country, seem to be incapable of just leaving each other the hell alone and getting down to enjoying those freedoms which our lineage fought and died for...
If you follow the news at all in this country you'll know that one of these things we seem to be completely unable to settle upon is our own country's basic history *eyebrow arcs* reality, if you will, and comprehension of said, is at a premium among many of our fine citizens. *removes her glasses, rubbing the bridge of her nose* If that sounds a little snarky and unnecessarily snide, I apologize to you, lovely watcher but it's called for at this point, I feel. The reason I say so is due to the simple fact that so... goddess... damned... many... things... people are STILL banging on about in our country are things which we settled years, decades or even over a century ago, often with the exact same data or even less of it.
Such as the old favourite.... *groans softly* "The Ten (christian)Commandments Are The Basis Of Our Constitution/Laws".....
*smiles* ....really?.... Are they now?
Well, then... As I used to be a minister*raises her hands in pantomime* '''in the before times...". let's get into that little bit of horrible misinformation, shall we, lovely watcher? Let's frame-by-frame that lie and break this tired, old absolute un-truth down by it's components. As many seem to feel they actually super-cede the constitution in terms of importance, we'll approach this from the side of the ten (christian)commandments. I should also add *smirks* I'm going to be going by what they actually say in the fucking bible, not what somewhat cute and kid-friendly lie your pastor, parents or other arbitrary authority figure taught you they MEANT... I've got my own delusions to deal with, you can go get your own. We don't need somebody else's cluttering up the conversation as well, lovely watcher...
So, from the top-- (Please, bear with me, as this is going to get wordy and pretentious. It is 'god' after all...)
1"I am the Lord Thy God which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt the house of bondage, thou shalt have no strange gods before me" ...Well, there's a violation of The Establishment Clause and The First Amendment, our fundamental freedom to worship as we see fit. So, the first commandment is thoroughly un-American and out right off the bat. NOT a law, never has been, never should be.
2"That shalt not maketh unto thee any graven image or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow thyself to them, nor serve them, for I am the LORD thy God and I am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me" ...We can't make "idols to praise or worship? Again, That's NOT a law in ANY part of this country. From The Baphomet to Jon Bon Jovi, EVERY American offers praise to some manner of "idol". We have idols, arguably, on everything from the posters on our walls to the freaking one-dollar bill. *jerks her thumb over her shoulder* RIGHT outta here.
Can we also make a note that the "perfect, all-loving, all-forgiving" god of Abraham just said that if you "hate" him, he will punish you, your kids, your grandkids, your great-grandkidsand your great-great-grandkids...? Just a side observation...
3"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain" Again, NOT a law and a blatant violation of that 'Freedom of Speech' thing we all enjoy so much. *whistles* OUTTA here.... Goddammit...
4"Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God; in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates..." Outside of the question of which "sabbath day are we referring to, this is again NOT a law, never has been, defies our free enterprise system of economics and is medieval, superstitious nonsense. If my cat wants to bury a turd on Sunday I'm not stopping her, eat me. NEXT-
5"Honour thy father and thy mother; that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." In a nation with hundreds of thousands of children up for adoption, children born of rape, incest, artificial insemination, children of unknown parents, broken families, divorced families, re-married two, three or four-times over families, this is not only NOT a law, it's also impossible. WHSSHT! Get that outta here too...
May I also add, just for myself, that on that point of "that thy days may be long" I'm a Satanist and a hedonist. My biological family wants nothing to do with me, in a very legal sense. My name is mine alone. All that said, I've now out-lived the expectations of my physicians by five years. *thumbs up* WOOTS!
6"Thou shalt not kill..." I'm going with this abbreviated version of the commandment as although a much longer and more vulgar statement appears in Hebrew texts, this is the one most often seen in American bible translations. Also, although I would say that I give this one up as a point in the (christian)bible's favour, it was a law in dozens of societies and cultures which pre-date any iteration of the text by thousands of years. So again, this IS a law but not one based on the ten(christian)commandments.
7"Thou shalt not commit adultery." *stares, blank-faced* Nope. NOT a law. Never has been and I doubt it ever will be.
8"Thou shalt not steal." Again, although this IS a law, more or less, and I might be tempted to make a second tally-mark on the(christian)bible's side, I'm sorry but this was also a law in cultures which pre-dated ANY version of the Hebrew faith by millennia. "Don't touch my stuff" is a fairly basic sentiment which Thogg and Grukk probably established as a rule back when we lived in caves and feared the moon was going to come out of the sky and eat us.
9"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" As much as I would sometimes like lying to be illegal, it isn't. This can only be considered a law as it applies to given testimony under oath and even then, much as with previous examples of killing and stealing, this was an established practice in cultures pre-dating the ten(christian)commandments, such as The Babylonians. So, again, NOT a law. Moving on...
10"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." ...The act of "coveting" would be a thought-crime. Our entire concept of personal liberty, regardless of political leaning, stands against that notion. Besides which, people smarter and wiser than myself established a long time ago that our entire economy was based upon "coveting". It drives why we get out of bed in the morning and go to our jobs, try to look good for potential mates, further our education for more gainful employment.... this one is not only NOT a law and thoroughly un-American, it's anti-capitalist(whether you support capitalism or not) ...
SO... *sips her drink* There you go, lovely watcher. Laid out in full, the entire point-by-point, fact-checked issue, just for you. *smiles* because I love you and I respect you a bit more than you might think.... Yes, even if you're a christian(some of ya'll are dead sexy bitches, you get me?)... and definitely more than the yarbo currently typing out their ten-paragraph summary of how wrong I am in the comment section.
Maybe we should build a monument to Babylonian Law and put it on The Bible's front lawn? *chuckles* Seems to follow the same logic and it would be a more consistent application of it. *shrugs* Enjoy your evening, you sexy bouillon cubes of joy. *raises her glass* Cheers! One love for us all.
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I may be wrong on this, but I though that up until the late 40s, maybe early 50s, adultery was in fact illegal. At any rate, that's no longer true it seems. A rather shitty to do if a person abuses the trust of somebody who's intimately connected to them, but hey. It's their freedom to make mistakes, I guess.
That aside, I really enjoyed reading this. I agree largely with all the points that you make here. Thanks for the incite, love.
That aside, I really enjoyed reading this. I agree largely with all the points that you make here. Thanks for the incite, love.
While it may have been some manner of ordinance in one locale or another, not so much a law, love, nope. None that I've ever been aware of, though that can be a tough nut to police. I know some of the things still on the books from the past are fairly... eeeeewwwwrgh.... just... yeh, that about sums them up. "Eeeewwrgh". Things about being fined for walking on the sidewalk if you're a woman and it's a Tuesday or if you beat your wife at the wrong time of day.... there's some pretty decent arguments against localized lawmaking...
I'm glad you enjoyed, love.
I'm glad you enjoyed, love.
You doesn't seem like to understand, of course a majority got to rule the governing body. This is why the US is founded on British laws, consider the Magna Charta a founding document and is a parliamenall democratic state with a person ruling in name only, as a group of elected individuals hold more votes.
Wait a tic. Let me try it again.
So this is why the US should accept that, because protestants and mainstream christians claim the other is not really a Christian, should the US be reworked to be founded upon Mohamed's laws, and follow the older islam, which is not hat most other imams currently hold; namely that religion and the government should not be in the same person, unlike how medieval Europe did. I mean, statistically, they are the second biggest religion right after the sum of all Christians, but if someone is not truly one, then they--- oh. Other schizms? I really need to get into fundamentalist ideas here. Let me try once again.
Of course the US would not be founded on those insane ideas of freedom and that radical idea of female representation. Like all good Greeks, it should let only healthy white Washington-born male citizens vote on what works for everyone, and as good jews, should decide to demand a blood sacrifice for any deed not excused by asking Yahweh nicely and paying the money to the local lords. Also, as Hamurabi's Law states, anyone wanting to have their religion more important than the state must be whipped and flayed alive, even if they happen to bhold the same religion as the king does.
Feel free to pick a few more while at it, i got about three or four more tomes on ancient civilizations one could trace their nation back to.
....Darn, i am really bad at being sarcastic today. At least got it right on the third try?
Wait a tic. Let me try it again.
So this is why the US should accept that, because protestants and mainstream christians claim the other is not really a Christian, should the US be reworked to be founded upon Mohamed's laws, and follow the older islam, which is not hat most other imams currently hold; namely that religion and the government should not be in the same person, unlike how medieval Europe did. I mean, statistically, they are the second biggest religion right after the sum of all Christians, but if someone is not truly one, then they--- oh. Other schizms? I really need to get into fundamentalist ideas here. Let me try once again.
Of course the US would not be founded on those insane ideas of freedom and that radical idea of female representation. Like all good Greeks, it should let only healthy white Washington-born male citizens vote on what works for everyone, and as good jews, should decide to demand a blood sacrifice for any deed not excused by asking Yahweh nicely and paying the money to the local lords. Also, as Hamurabi's Law states, anyone wanting to have their religion more important than the state must be whipped and flayed alive, even if they happen to bhold the same religion as the king does.
Feel free to pick a few more while at it, i got about three or four more tomes on ancient civilizations one could trace their nation back to.
....Darn, i am really bad at being sarcastic today. At least got it right on the third try?
What's great to me is the same people that want the Ten Commandments basically codified into law are the same that vote for "Sharia Law bans". I want to tell them "Make up your mind, idiots, do you want a major religion's principles and commandments to be the law of the land or don't you?"
You know, the short-sightedness of some of the well-to-do religious sots would indeed be impressive it it wasn't so disastrous, wouldn't it? I know in debate on campus I've brought up this point before, if they really wanted to establish the precedent of pressing one religion above others on the say-so of our government and what would happen if a Muslim or Hindu or... say... I.... got into that position. What then?
Dumb bastards. *groans*
Dumb bastards. *groans*
For once, I got an honest laugh out of this... you mean there's people who actually believe the Bill of Rights is based on the Ten Commandments? Oh my gods, I do not envy the place you live, if you are running into these sorts of people at your lunch break. I wonder if these are the same people who want Thomas Jefferson removed from the history textbooks, because his ideas are not conservative enough.
feared the moon was going to come out of the sky and eat us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVCHGGv0W_c
feared the moon was going to come out of the sky and eat us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVCHGGv0W_c
OH but yes, I do... It's one of those defenses many christian folke keep using every time someone gets sick of them trying to put up monuments of their ten commandments on public property. "But The Constitution was based on the ten commandments!" is something I've heard parroted by under-educated half-wits enough times to possibly be able to write it in braile...
Then again, these are often the same people who'll say "The Government can't take down our monument! It's on Public Land!" ...*eyes roll*... asshammer... the government is the only one who can put up or take down anybody's monument on public land... Goddamn but these people make me want to eat my own hat.
Then again, these are often the same people who'll say "The Government can't take down our monument! It's on Public Land!" ...*eyes roll*... asshammer... the government is the only one who can put up or take down anybody's monument on public land... Goddamn but these people make me want to eat my own hat.
LOL buuut... The second one I can sort-of understand. It's the emotion when something has been around so long it feels like an institution or a tradition, that belongs to the people. But logically, they just stated their own problem.
These are the people that, some days, made me believe the creatures walking this planet deserved to be punished. [Insert 20 pages of derranged fantasies here] Some days, the only thing that gets me through my day is Imagine a person of average intelligence. Now, imagine that half the people you meet will be dumber than that.
These are the people that, some days, made me believe the creatures walking this planet deserved to be punished. [Insert 20 pages of derranged fantasies here] Some days, the only thing that gets me through my day is Imagine a person of average intelligence. Now, imagine that half the people you meet will be dumber than that.
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