So we're like three updates in and you've already retroactively always been a super-powered battle-lawyer to be
it's gonna be one of those kinds of games
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It's a damn roight bloody shame that Tumblr's new owner won't even bring back the porn-o-graphy. Or even release the blogs already kept hostage. And what's more, twitter an' all these other hellsites are all ramping up to do the same thing too! What the hell. Well at least we still have this mid-2000's time-capsule right...ol' reliable....I mean it's not like they're owned by some trendy parent-company or anything. One which might decide to pull the plug if it thinks dog-dicks are eating into their profits or 'nnnything like that ha ha.
Nothing to worry about.
Nothing to worry about.
I mean you'd think, especially after Tumblr (Bless his soul) Buuuuuut FA is already a notoriously poorly run site managed by an absolute idiot, and now managed by a money hungry corporation soooooo......
(I mean inkbunny is a better site in every regard except for the literal pedophiles on it. I don't mean cub artists,but literal actual pedophiles literally arrested for child porn and then welcomed back into the community like nothing happened) It really is worse than you could ever imagine and I literally have a ton of evidence gathered up on these people and their coded language but that's a story for another day.
But yeah let's just hope that FA doesn't shit itself and die just yet
(I mean inkbunny is a better site in every regard except for the literal pedophiles on it. I don't mean cub artists,but literal actual pedophiles literally arrested for child porn and then welcomed back into the community like nothing happened) It really is worse than you could ever imagine and I literally have a ton of evidence gathered up on these people and their coded language but that's a story for another day.
But yeah let's just hope that FA doesn't shit itself and die just yet
yeah when i was looking for FA alternatives i thought "maybe inkbunny isn't that bad" but
as someone who draws Bad Fetishes i'm nominally against artistic censorship but yes i have seen some people on inkbunny who were just "actually does this irl" vibes
there's really no good furry site we need to go back to how it was in 2000 where if you were a furry you had your own website and you linked it through webrings those were the glory days
you can have a VCL as backup that's fine
as someone who draws Bad Fetishes i'm nominally against artistic censorship but yes i have seen some people on inkbunny who were just "actually does this irl" vibes
there's really no good furry site we need to go back to how it was in 2000 where if you were a furry you had your own website and you linked it through webrings those were the glory days
you can have a VCL as backup that's fine
Yep. Honestly though, I actually do hope FA burns down to the ground. It's literally so awful it ain't even have blacklists and if you're a 'popufur' you can get away with literally anything *cough* Adam "12 year olds are very fuckable" Wan
I'm only 19 so I wasn't around for those glory days unfortunately. Musta been pretty nice. Everything was smaller, tighter knit? (I literally don't know pls no bully) sites and art had that wonderfully dated amatuerish web 1.0 (2.0??) aesthetic, corporations weren't trying to co-opt and commercialize thisfetishsub-culture......(tbh tho I would actually prefer to go back further to the cartoonist driven Funny Animal fandom days)
Even looking through the remains today somehow gives me a sense of phantom-nostalgia.
Speaking of that, how long have you considered yourself a furry anyway?
I'm only 19 so I wasn't around for those glory days unfortunately. Musta been pretty nice. Everything was smaller, tighter knit? (I literally don't know pls no bully) sites and art had that wonderfully dated amatuerish web 1.0 (2.0??) aesthetic, corporations weren't trying to co-opt and commercialize this
Even looking through the remains today somehow gives me a sense of phantom-nostalgia.
Speaking of that, how long have you considered yourself a furry anyway?
i been involved in the fandom since like early 2000s
i will say it was not all rose tinted
back then it was firmly popularity-based and there was a firmer sense of furry "culture" where now you have people who just, yeah i'm a furry i draw animals sometimes that's it
back then there was still a lingering sense of it being a subculture with its own customs and ideas and ideals and it was still pretty tightly bound to otherkin/therianism
and part of it being tighter-knit and focused heavily on being better than the mundanes (holy shit i have not had to type the word mundanes in years) meant a lot more inclusivity even for people who were clearly like, zoosadists basically
it is why you get people closing ranks and protecting certain popular artists who use lines like "it's just another case of a woman getting what she wanted and then changing her mind" to justify coercing people into sex because gawsh gotta protect our brothers (did you know at one point a non-insiginificant amount of furries called one another brothers and sisters sight unseen the sense of community was that strong and that wasn't necesarilly a good thing)
other furry customs we are good to be rid of: that sense of community meaning people felt entitled to physical contact from random furries (hi you're a furry i'm a furry that means i get to hug you don't say no!) or even sex from other furries (i have a heart condition and if you don't let me have sex with your friend i will literally die i can't believe you're going to kill me!)
also back then the most "dark" furry art you'd get was consensual bondage and everyone acted like that was their secret evil dark side but it was really just 40-50 year olds drawing boris valejo wannabe girls tied up and vaguely harem-ish and, i swear to god, calling all women "femmes"
you know what i take all of it back
let us never return to a time where you could get hit on by a 40 year old guy who complimented you for being such an attractive femme
i will say it was not all rose tinted
back then it was firmly popularity-based and there was a firmer sense of furry "culture" where now you have people who just, yeah i'm a furry i draw animals sometimes that's it
back then there was still a lingering sense of it being a subculture with its own customs and ideas and ideals and it was still pretty tightly bound to otherkin/therianism
and part of it being tighter-knit and focused heavily on being better than the mundanes (holy shit i have not had to type the word mundanes in years) meant a lot more inclusivity even for people who were clearly like, zoosadists basically
it is why you get people closing ranks and protecting certain popular artists who use lines like "it's just another case of a woman getting what she wanted and then changing her mind" to justify coercing people into sex because gawsh gotta protect our brothers (did you know at one point a non-insiginificant amount of furries called one another brothers and sisters sight unseen the sense of community was that strong and that wasn't necesarilly a good thing)
other furry customs we are good to be rid of: that sense of community meaning people felt entitled to physical contact from random furries (hi you're a furry i'm a furry that means i get to hug you don't say no!) or even sex from other furries (i have a heart condition and if you don't let me have sex with your friend i will literally die i can't believe you're going to kill me!)
also back then the most "dark" furry art you'd get was consensual bondage and everyone acted like that was their secret evil dark side but it was really just 40-50 year olds drawing boris valejo wannabe girls tied up and vaguely harem-ish and, i swear to god, calling all women "femmes"
you know what i take all of it back
let us never return to a time where you could get hit on by a 40 year old guy who complimented you for being such an attractive femme
One last thing-https://e-hentai.org/s/9f50f76262/147116-1
Is this it? Is this cum-snakes!??? What in the literal actual fuck is this.
I legitimately felt uncomfortable reading this, me the "oh i'd be a serial killer if animals could talk" guy. I don't even know how that's physically possible but it is. This is just on a whole new level. Why? Why is she naked, why do they turn into snakes, why are the snakes human cocks, why are they circumcised why is the anatomy so jaw-droppingly awful? Why do I get the feeling that this person is a rapist in real life and that the uncomfortable dialogue comes from personal experience?
You see this, and it's no wonder "fursecution" is/was a thing.
This shit was genuinely enough to miff the guys who literally look at rl gore for fun, it's genuinely terrifying. I literally have no other words but AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....
Thank you and have a good day.
Is this it? Is this cum-snakes!??? What in the literal actual fuck is this.
I legitimately felt uncomfortable reading this, me the "oh i'd be a serial killer if animals could talk" guy. I don't even know how that's physically possible but it is. This is just on a whole new level. Why? Why is she naked, why do they turn into snakes, why are the snakes human cocks, why are they circumcised why is the anatomy so jaw-droppingly awful? Why do I get the feeling that this person is a rapist in real life and that the uncomfortable dialogue comes from personal experience?
You see this, and it's no wonder "fursecution" is/was a thing.
This shit was genuinely enough to miff the guys who literally look at rl gore for fun, it's genuinely terrifying. I literally have no other words but AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....
Thank you and have a good day.
WhiteKitten is somewhat comparable to this. But even then it's so exaggerated that you can't take it seriously and that's partly what led to his absolute meme status.
I legitimately wish I could make shit like this, like figure out what makes even the most insane, depraved fuckers (me) uncomfortable and then use that power for absolute evil. Hey, I'm still young. Maybe somedayI'll be the new WhiteKitten
I legitimately wish I could make shit like this, like figure out what makes even the most insane, depraved fuckers (me) uncomfortable and then use that power for absolute evil. Hey, I'm still young. Maybe someday
I could read about the early FF all day. If you wrote a mini book or whatever about it (or at least your experience of it) I would read it & probably potentially pay currency for it.
Do you know of anywhere else where I can get more info about it besides the scattered fragments on wikifur? (or you can write more about it too, that's very welcome).
But anyway people used to just go up to you/other people and say shit like that? I mean I know furry cons used to be pretty bad (Actually nothing tops the modern rainfurrest disaster) But holy fucking shit lol
MUNDANES GIT OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Do you know of anywhere else where I can get more info about it besides the scattered fragments on wikifur? (or you can write more about it too, that's very welcome).
But anyway people used to just go up to you/other people and say shit like that? I mean I know furry cons used to be pretty bad (Actually nothing tops the modern rainfurrest disaster) But holy fucking shit lol
in the old fandom there was an expectation of physical intimacy as the norm. ostensibllllly it was because "well we're all animals and animals love contact!" but in reality it was because a lot of the 00s era furries were lonely nerds with no social skills, who had grown up on a very decentralized internet, where it was really easy to pick and choose what you interacted with because there was no twitter, there was no one from another subculture interacting with you unless they invaded your irc channel or whatever
so you have these people who grew up in a frictionless vaccuum free to come up with their own social cues and they settled on "hugs and scritches are normal!" and it was a Thing where you had to specifically state publically if you were not into touching and this is exaggerating most people weren't crazy insane but if you were an early furry please do expect someone to try to hug you now and then even if you have no idea who they are (apparently especially if you're in a fursuit)
to the point where the furcode (do you know about the furcode) had a section where you declared your opinion on hugs
https://winterwolf.co.uk/furcode?E
the fandom itself wasn't centralized and it was split into a ton of different websites, most artists had their own website and a VCL backup. some centralized artsites existed but they were usually i want to say grouped by theme or by groups of friends? and commenting on art was basically nonexistant compared to this.
to say nothing of a ton of the furry fandom existing as god Zines where you bought your furry pictures and stories to read
and the wars with those evil fursecuting goons at somethingawful (in reality most furries just patted themselves on the backs for being More Mature and trolls would sometimes spam gore and stuff back when there weren't a lot of protections against this? it was reallllly wild west but with low consequences)
there was a stronger sense of Community and especially Identity where now a furry is just someone who draws furry art and there's NO assumptions you can make past that but back then there was a firm sense of being a community of being a furry because, like i said, before the internet was all forced into communication by corporations you could just disappear into some corner of it and never leave or realize you were being weird by insisting someone can only have one fursona (this was an actual argument at one point can you imagine being told you could only have one fursona)
please imagine the therian/otherkin furry overlap though
please understand that back then there was an ongoing war in the otherkin community about if you could be therian to an animal that didn't natively exist to where you were born
please imagine otherkin phrasing being otherkin as if it was being trans and oh god
please imagine tiny groups of furries convinced the world was against them for being furries
please imagine using your winamp to tune in to your favorite furry website's internet radio and listening to them play music and banter about furry things. please imagine logging onto flayrah.com on shitty highschool computers to read the latest news about furry cons and big furry productions.
please imagine the giddy excitement of seeing a furry character in some piece of media and whispering about it like it was a secret other people wouldn't get
please imagine people adding you to their messengers because they found your messenger linked somewhere on some disparate site and you talk like you're best friends because you're both furries and a day later you're master and slave and a week later you never speak again and that's just kinda normal
not that it's all unique to the 00s furry days
back when i did secondlife like a decade ago there was not a month that went by when someone didn't decide they were in love me?? i feel like especially lately the internet's gotten a lot better about there being women on the internet but a decade or two decades ago guys acted like a fucking unicorn had walked into the room and they all slowly reached behind them for their bridles so they could catch this rare thing and be the lucky one who wasn't prison-gay (i don't have hard numbers but my general experience was a lot of people who identified as straight at first ending up in gay relationships and a lot of that i think was genuinely people discovering their sexualities for sure but there was also a sense of horny young furries willing to take any affection at all)
also a ton of the grayfurs were clearly Gor inspired and holy shit there was so much Gor overtones in the furry bdsm community it was terrible god fuck
but, you know,
you also had reams and reams of shitty furry webcomics which no i guess i'm not nostalgic about that
it's hard to tell what my nostalgia is if it's nostalgia for my young simple highschool days where i felt like a culture rebel playing furcadia with my half-formed adolescent brain or if i actually miss some of the old senses of community where you could go to someone and go "hey i'm a furry too!" and bam you were already halfway to being friends
altho considering how many of those friendships i kept, how i only occassionally have weirdos hit on me anymore, how the loss of the fandom as an insulated subculture also forced me to stop being a socially bizarre idiot and learn how to be a person,
i'm not too upset with the modern fandom tbh.
so you have these people who grew up in a frictionless vaccuum free to come up with their own social cues and they settled on "hugs and scritches are normal!" and it was a Thing where you had to specifically state publically if you were not into touching and this is exaggerating most people weren't crazy insane but if you were an early furry please do expect someone to try to hug you now and then even if you have no idea who they are (apparently especially if you're in a fursuit)
to the point where the furcode (do you know about the furcode) had a section where you declared your opinion on hugs
https://winterwolf.co.uk/furcode?E
the fandom itself wasn't centralized and it was split into a ton of different websites, most artists had their own website and a VCL backup. some centralized artsites existed but they were usually i want to say grouped by theme or by groups of friends? and commenting on art was basically nonexistant compared to this.
to say nothing of a ton of the furry fandom existing as god Zines where you bought your furry pictures and stories to read
and the wars with those evil fursecuting goons at somethingawful (in reality most furries just patted themselves on the backs for being More Mature and trolls would sometimes spam gore and stuff back when there weren't a lot of protections against this? it was reallllly wild west but with low consequences)
there was a stronger sense of Community and especially Identity where now a furry is just someone who draws furry art and there's NO assumptions you can make past that but back then there was a firm sense of being a community of being a furry because, like i said, before the internet was all forced into communication by corporations you could just disappear into some corner of it and never leave or realize you were being weird by insisting someone can only have one fursona (this was an actual argument at one point can you imagine being told you could only have one fursona)
please imagine the therian/otherkin furry overlap though
please understand that back then there was an ongoing war in the otherkin community about if you could be therian to an animal that didn't natively exist to where you were born
please imagine otherkin phrasing being otherkin as if it was being trans and oh god
please imagine tiny groups of furries convinced the world was against them for being furries
please imagine using your winamp to tune in to your favorite furry website's internet radio and listening to them play music and banter about furry things. please imagine logging onto flayrah.com on shitty highschool computers to read the latest news about furry cons and big furry productions.
please imagine the giddy excitement of seeing a furry character in some piece of media and whispering about it like it was a secret other people wouldn't get
please imagine people adding you to their messengers because they found your messenger linked somewhere on some disparate site and you talk like you're best friends because you're both furries and a day later you're master and slave and a week later you never speak again and that's just kinda normal
not that it's all unique to the 00s furry days
back when i did secondlife like a decade ago there was not a month that went by when someone didn't decide they were in love me?? i feel like especially lately the internet's gotten a lot better about there being women on the internet but a decade or two decades ago guys acted like a fucking unicorn had walked into the room and they all slowly reached behind them for their bridles so they could catch this rare thing and be the lucky one who wasn't prison-gay (i don't have hard numbers but my general experience was a lot of people who identified as straight at first ending up in gay relationships and a lot of that i think was genuinely people discovering their sexualities for sure but there was also a sense of horny young furries willing to take any affection at all)
also a ton of the grayfurs were clearly Gor inspired and holy shit there was so much Gor overtones in the furry bdsm community it was terrible god fuck
but, you know,
you also had reams and reams of shitty furry webcomics which no i guess i'm not nostalgic about that
it's hard to tell what my nostalgia is if it's nostalgia for my young simple highschool days where i felt like a culture rebel playing furcadia with my half-formed adolescent brain or if i actually miss some of the old senses of community where you could go to someone and go "hey i'm a furry too!" and bam you were already halfway to being friends
altho considering how many of those friendships i kept, how i only occassionally have weirdos hit on me anymore, how the loss of the fandom as an insulated subculture also forced me to stop being a socially bizarre idiot and learn how to be a person,
i'm not too upset with the modern fandom tbh.
for example as a followup,
https://i.imgur.com/oejhIwS.png
look at its question about furry art
if your art wasn't being printed in physical zines... how were other furries seeing it? this is early fandom
https://i.imgur.com/oejhIwS.png
look at its question about furry art
if your art wasn't being printed in physical zines... how were other furries seeing it? this is early fandom
https://i.imgur.com/QI31dnH.png
or how the fucking section for unsolicited physical contact has...
3 emphatic positives,
1 accepting,
1 conditional,
and only 2 negative
for a ratio of 5:2 for "into it" to "not into it"
or how the fucking section for unsolicited physical contact has...
3 emphatic positives,
1 accepting,
1 conditional,
and only 2 negative
for a ratio of 5:2 for "into it" to "not into it"
https://wolfwares.ca/comics/macro%2.....vore/index.php
also hey here's a 2006 comic that summarizes the culture at the time really well
also hey here's a 2006 comic that summarizes the culture at the time really well
I don't get it? (Maybe????)
But thank you M'Laddie for going through the effort to find this.
In 10 literal future years perhaps the next wandering vagabond (yes you) going on an archive binge on this seemingly abandoned profile on this dying site will find at least as much enjoyment out of these strange rambling conversations as I do now.
But thank you M'Laddie for going through the effort to find this.
In 10 literal future years perhaps the next wandering vagabond (yes you) going on an archive binge on this seemingly abandoned profile on this dying site will find at least as much enjoyment out of these strange rambling conversations as I do now.
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