Yay something clean! x3

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Toriel is such a sweetheart, isn't she? Second favorite character after W.D Gaster.

Coincidentally, I am watching the rest of the musical with my mom when I see her tomorrow.

awww Toriel is so cute

Coincidentally I was watching the last stream of Markiplier's Undertale playthrough when this was posted.

Just looking at this amazing artwork brings back memories~ ah goatmom

{Well I guess, even though you're a hypocrite of a mother and not good at being a queen.}

do explain

{I meant Toriel. For example, she tells you to talk and spare, yet she uses intimidation and violence to make you stay, prepared to hurt you till you have only 2/20 HP left. Not to mention her naively trusting humans more than monsters, and once she sees a bad side of you once you hit kill her, she goes insane, and throws away her beliefs (unlike Papyrus, who believes in you even in the end). Also, since she was the one to use her role as Queen more often than Asgore, she could have spoken against him, rather than leaving the monsters who had lost hope, as well as her husband, who too had to suffer the loss of both children. If she had stayed, she could have prevented that, she didn't even bother escort them to the barrier. And the only time she comes out in the neutral runs is when Asgore dies, immediately seizing the throne and enstating the policy of considerin every human as a friend. Her view of the world is black and white, she is not aware of the grey area.

In short, she doesn't stick to her ideals and use other methods to solve problens rather than those she taught you.}

Allow me to explain my understanding of what happens with Toriel. With telling you to spare monsters whenever possible, she does it with the hope that you can live with her, and that she can protect you (and by extension) the rest of what she is convinced is a race composed largely of innocent people. She believes that, despite what happened to Asriel, the humans don't deserve to be brought to extinction as the renewed war against them would ultimately culminate in. The battle with Toriel at the end of the Ruins is also emotionally complicated, as she can't let you leave as she believes that you would die without her protection and become the 7th soul required to kill off an entire species. However, she also can't kill you herself, as she's lost 1 biological child and 7 adopted children already and doesn't want to lose another innocent child to what she sees as a senseless war. What she does there is done to protect both you and the millions (unaware that there are billions) of humans up on the surface from a fate that the vast majority of them had no part in. As for the Genocide fight, she's cut down in a single blow by what up until that point she'd thought was an innocent child. The shock she experiences is from realizing that the thing in front of her has no mercy in its soul, and that keeping you here was protecting the monsters more than any human. This brings her to the conclusion that Asgore's decision had more justification than she had previously believed, her own beliefs being slashed apart like her body. Nothing more than dust on the floor.
As for when she left Asgore, she definitely voiced her opinion on the decision, but was apparently unable to repeal it for reasons that were never brought to light. It may have been that Toriel was married into the royal family while Asgore was born into it, making Asgore's decision the final one over hers. The actual reason could be different, but the fact that she couldn't change what happened was the reason why she left. If she couldn't stop the war, then she would make sure that no human soul that fell into the Underground would ever find its way to Asgore (you can guess how well she did).
As for the timing for when she leaves the Ruins, in the Pacifist run, you go through more there than in any other run (with Genocide being a possible exception). The time it takes you to complete the True Lab is that last little bit of time required for Toriel to catch up to you and stop the final fight before it begins. This being said, in the Neutral runs, she always comes too late to stop the fight, and she takes a route that prevents her from being seen by too many monsters. This prevents her from knowing what took place between when you left the Ruins, and when you fought Asgore.
Overall, Toriel was acting on what she believed was right and what little information she had. She does her best where she can, but I'll admit that she isn't perfect. She carries many burdens on her soul, and they can skew her judgement from time to time.
Feel free to disagree with me, as this is my interpretation, and I'll freely admit that I may be wrong on a few details.

{Hmm. That sounds reasonable. Still, she kept her resentment for Asgore and shown jealousy when Alphys hugged Asgore after telling him about the True Lab. Toriel still had her fired. You find that out when talking to the brown bear post pacifist, as well as the fact she was the brain who usually did the ruling, told by Gerson post pacifist. They didn't really like her much even before the incident happened.}

With all that Asgore did over the years, it's only natural that she'd be slow to forgive him. As for firing Alphys, imagine coming in to the scene and someone you only met 5 minutes ago told you this Island-of-Dr.-Moreau/Frankenstein horror story of what they did while under the employ of your ex. That's not a very good first impression. As for what the bear said, I happened to have an immediate post-pacifist battle save that I happened to have left unfinished for a few months (shameful I know). "I heard Dr. Alphys told the king and queen the awful things she'd done. The king felt so bad that he didn't know. He gave her a big hug. Then the Queen fired her. Now we don't have a royal scientist anymore... Thaaaaat's politics."
As for what Gerson said about Toriel's departure, he described it as being a tragedy, but was relieved that he'd no longer have to put up with seeing the royal couple constantly nose nuzzling alongside other such displays of affection in public that caused their kids no end of embarrassment. I'll admit that I'd be annoyed over the constant nuzzling myself, but that'd be different from disliking someone. Overall, I think that if they didn't like Toriel that much, Gerson wouldn't have described it as a tragedy.

I am a deep undertale fan and I enjoy learning all the love and fan theories... but I don't think I'm ready to read all that

Goatmom is best mom, just want to snuggle her.

yiss very much

Yay Toriel!

3rd favorite character after napstalook and frisk/chara

Goatmom knows best~