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How did it go so wrong?
I recently bought some Disney movies: Robin Hood and The Fox and the Hound 1. I wanted to pick up Lady and the Tramp and Bambi, but it is in the Disney vault, which means that Disney wont release it for another 5 years or so. When I was watching the Fox and the Hound, I remember the fun and playful side of it when I was a kid, but the more I look into it, the more drama and darkness came from that movie. The entire movie was about friendship, both its happy and its horrific moments. Also, the lessons about life and death as well with the death of the mother in the beginning. Robin hood had it's moments too, but it was toned down to be more childish in its way. Bambi, Fox and the Hound, Lady and the Tramp, American Tail 1, Land Before Time, those kinds of movies had their dark sides and was not really meant to be for children, much like Watership Down.
Back in the 80s and early 90s, Disney made excellent hand-cell cartoon movies that really brought the story and the characters to life. In the making of Fox and the Hound, the old animators who used to work on it said that they put so much detail into the characters and their relationships instead of special effects. You really cant do that with computers. You have to draw the characters to get that realistic movement through their eyes and actions. Now, Disney is making CG kid movies that you can't really see the emotion and character interactions you get from the old Disney movies. What is also a big change is that the stories themselves have lighten up to the point where the "darkness" of their movies are gone. If there is a dark moment or a "death", it would be cut up or not shown at all while the older movies, you saw them.
I was born in the early 80's and a lot of the Disney cartoons were dark, but I was too young to see them. Now, when I watch them, I could see the whole picture and the "behind the screen" story behind them. It was like hidden messages Disney put into their cartoons so when you are old enough, you can see how dark their stories were. Now I am constantly looking for those old Disney movies that still hold their real content and style in them.
Sesame Street had its moments. There was a story on the News that said the Sesame Street that my generation grew up to was too dark and too adult. Back then, that show was meant for BOTH adult and kids. There were some parts that adults could pick up on where kids wouldn't understand it.
I think that ongoing sequels to Disney movies are a waste of time and energy. Fox and the Hound too was not as dark or as realistic as the first one. Same goes with American Tail, Land before Time, 101 Dalmatians, Bambi, Lady and the Tramp, etc. They are cheaper and more cute knockoffs of the first one, where they stripped most of the original story and style away and "upgraded" it with today’s technology. I couldn't really stand watching sequels to Disney movies because I want to feel the characters and see the story, both the dark and the good side, not just the good and the songy-dovey side. Disney somewhat lost their real touch and molded themselves to be only for kids with no drama attached to them. Kids need that kind of story in order to understand life and death when they get older.
No one really does stories like those anymore. They use existing stories and do them over and over again. In some of the different animations and stories I have seen, it was the same story just told with different characters in a different place. Nothing is really unique anymore in our entertainment theaters...
Anyways, that is my two cents. What about yours? When you grew up, what cartoon movies and shows did you grow up to. When you look back on them now, do you see how much you missed when you were a kid or how dark it was? Can you seem more in those old cartoons then you did when you were a kid?
- Ookami Kemono
HowDidItGoSoWrong © 2009 Alex Cockburn
Back in the 80s and early 90s, Disney made excellent hand-cell cartoon movies that really brought the story and the characters to life. In the making of Fox and the Hound, the old animators who used to work on it said that they put so much detail into the characters and their relationships instead of special effects. You really cant do that with computers. You have to draw the characters to get that realistic movement through their eyes and actions. Now, Disney is making CG kid movies that you can't really see the emotion and character interactions you get from the old Disney movies. What is also a big change is that the stories themselves have lighten up to the point where the "darkness" of their movies are gone. If there is a dark moment or a "death", it would be cut up or not shown at all while the older movies, you saw them.
I was born in the early 80's and a lot of the Disney cartoons were dark, but I was too young to see them. Now, when I watch them, I could see the whole picture and the "behind the screen" story behind them. It was like hidden messages Disney put into their cartoons so when you are old enough, you can see how dark their stories were. Now I am constantly looking for those old Disney movies that still hold their real content and style in them.
Sesame Street had its moments. There was a story on the News that said the Sesame Street that my generation grew up to was too dark and too adult. Back then, that show was meant for BOTH adult and kids. There were some parts that adults could pick up on where kids wouldn't understand it.
I think that ongoing sequels to Disney movies are a waste of time and energy. Fox and the Hound too was not as dark or as realistic as the first one. Same goes with American Tail, Land before Time, 101 Dalmatians, Bambi, Lady and the Tramp, etc. They are cheaper and more cute knockoffs of the first one, where they stripped most of the original story and style away and "upgraded" it with today’s technology. I couldn't really stand watching sequels to Disney movies because I want to feel the characters and see the story, both the dark and the good side, not just the good and the songy-dovey side. Disney somewhat lost their real touch and molded themselves to be only for kids with no drama attached to them. Kids need that kind of story in order to understand life and death when they get older.
No one really does stories like those anymore. They use existing stories and do them over and over again. In some of the different animations and stories I have seen, it was the same story just told with different characters in a different place. Nothing is really unique anymore in our entertainment theaters...
Anyways, that is my two cents. What about yours? When you grew up, what cartoon movies and shows did you grow up to. When you look back on them now, do you see how much you missed when you were a kid or how dark it was? Can you seem more in those old cartoons then you did when you were a kid?
- Ookami Kemono
HowDidItGoSoWrong © 2009 Alex Cockburn
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Nawww..........Disney has ALWAYS been too happy and childish. The 1980's marked the official death of American animation, having been brutally bludgeoned to brain-death by Hanna-Barbera in the previous two decades. The only animated (partially anyway) film from the 80's that wasn't Japanese that I have seen that I actually liked was The Wall (as in the Pink Floyd album), and that was British! If domestic animation is to EVER recover, it must embrace far darker elements than cute singing critters being invisibly killed by hicks. If you want something that's REAL disturbing, watch Gantz. THAT'S some disturbing imagery!
well american and land before time weren't made by disney...
To be honest I really American Tail's approach on american history...
I can say that Balto was really good, but #2 was better :\
Problem is what is acceptable in today's world, and that a lot of things that were acceptable back then like smoking, death and violence is bad now apperently... Idk blame society.
To be honest I really American Tail's approach on american history...
I can say that Balto was really good, but #2 was better :\
Problem is what is acceptable in today's world, and that a lot of things that were acceptable back then like smoking, death and violence is bad now apperently... Idk blame society.
I guess the shows I watched that best fit the "something for kids, something for adults" category were Danger Mouse, as mentioned above, and also Rocky and Bullwinkle. Watching Rocky and Bullwinkle was something of a family tradition; we would go to my grandmother's on Friday night, have dinner there with my aunt and uncle, and all sit down to watch "Moose-o-rama" on Nickelodeon, when they would play several episodes. Those were definitely my favorite cartoons.
I think a part of the problem is that as adults, we understand the darker stuff that's happening. We understand the sad parts much more. I think it's also that we can relate more to the characters that have to die for various aspects of the plot to unfold.
What it's getting down to is, we're looking at the films in the way an adult does, not the way a kid does. We look back at our childhood through that inner child and remember them as being much more innocent and fun. We don't remember the sadder parts or maybe see them as being far less sad then they were. We see it more through the eyes of the characters that died and see it as unfair. While as kids, we saw the fun parts, maybe the sad parts we gritted our teeth and bared them and then forgot about the sad stuff.
Pinocchio is another example of films that people use as back in the good 'ol days.
A part of me wants to see Lampwick and the other kids rescued at the end of the movie. But, it would spoil the lesson for kids. Kids need to learn that sometimes even your first mistake can be your last one. It's sad but sometimes kids do need people to scare them straight. A part of me says that if they saved Lampwick, it would defeat the purpose of the lesson. Yet another part says that showing no hope isn't much of a lesson.
I suppose that as an adult, I need to remember that movies like that are not for relaxing and having a good time. It's easy to think that just because something is a cartoon that it's going to be fun. Often times, the more we shelter someone, the more we hurt them.
What it's getting down to is, we're looking at the films in the way an adult does, not the way a kid does. We look back at our childhood through that inner child and remember them as being much more innocent and fun. We don't remember the sadder parts or maybe see them as being far less sad then they were. We see it more through the eyes of the characters that died and see it as unfair. While as kids, we saw the fun parts, maybe the sad parts we gritted our teeth and bared them and then forgot about the sad stuff.
Pinocchio is another example of films that people use as back in the good 'ol days.
A part of me wants to see Lampwick and the other kids rescued at the end of the movie. But, it would spoil the lesson for kids. Kids need to learn that sometimes even your first mistake can be your last one. It's sad but sometimes kids do need people to scare them straight. A part of me says that if they saved Lampwick, it would defeat the purpose of the lesson. Yet another part says that showing no hope isn't much of a lesson.
I suppose that as an adult, I need to remember that movies like that are not for relaxing and having a good time. It's easy to think that just because something is a cartoon that it's going to be fun. Often times, the more we shelter someone, the more we hurt them.
Ah, yes, Pinnochio was a very dark movie... I hated it as a kid, and even as an adult, it seems to be nothing but the gratuitous cruelty of "the real world" against one small boy too innocent to know how dangerous it was to go outside...
Dumbo comes close to that level of evil too... the mother unjustly jailed for defending her baby because in the end, society sees her as just another tempermental "dumb" animal.
Dumbo comes close to that level of evil too... the mother unjustly jailed for defending her baby because in the end, society sees her as just another tempermental "dumb" animal.
I agree that Pinocchio is dark. But, at it's core, it's a movie about humanity and becoming human. It's a movie about being vigilant in a cruel world while also learning to look beyond ones primal, more selfish desires and to put others first.
For example, Pleasure Island was the epitome of temptation. Lampwick and those other boys were doing the opposite of what Pinocchio was trying to do. As a result, they lost their humanity in every sense of the idea. I never let that scene bother me as a kid. Heck, I thought it'd be cool to be a donkey. But as an adult, I see what they're trying to say (or at least, I have a better idea) with that scene. Lampwick's donkey form is in a sense, what people saw what they saw him (symbolically anyway). Him being a donkey from that point on in a way says "I'm a jackass, it's all I'll ever be and all I can be." Sort of acting like a jackass for so long that he can't help it anymore. He isn't acting like one, he is one. It's all people will see when they look at him from that point forward. Somewhat of in the same way that they say that if you swear too much, you'll soon get to the point where you do it without realizing it.
On an not quite related scene, I remember an episode of the Batman Cartoon from the 90s. It starts with two boys playing chicken on top of a train. Naturally one jumps, the other laughs and is about to jump but his foot is stuck. Batman happens to be there, saves the kid and when they're on the ground, say "Play chicken for long enough, you fry." Not quite the PSA that cartoons had in the 80s but it still teaches a lesson.
I think that sort of stuff is better then making kids think the bad guys will go easy on them just because they're kids or some video games making kids and teens think they're invincible.
If anything, a child being more innocent, small, naïve etc only serves to make them *more* vulnerable.
I remember the days when people told kids not to talk to strangers, don't take rides with strangers, don't take candy from strangers etc. How did the saying go, "Stay alert, stay safe". We might see it and other PSA commercials as campy now but I wonder just how many lives they saved
For example, Pleasure Island was the epitome of temptation. Lampwick and those other boys were doing the opposite of what Pinocchio was trying to do. As a result, they lost their humanity in every sense of the idea. I never let that scene bother me as a kid. Heck, I thought it'd be cool to be a donkey. But as an adult, I see what they're trying to say (or at least, I have a better idea) with that scene. Lampwick's donkey form is in a sense, what people saw what they saw him (symbolically anyway). Him being a donkey from that point on in a way says "I'm a jackass, it's all I'll ever be and all I can be." Sort of acting like a jackass for so long that he can't help it anymore. He isn't acting like one, he is one. It's all people will see when they look at him from that point forward. Somewhat of in the same way that they say that if you swear too much, you'll soon get to the point where you do it without realizing it.
On an not quite related scene, I remember an episode of the Batman Cartoon from the 90s. It starts with two boys playing chicken on top of a train. Naturally one jumps, the other laughs and is about to jump but his foot is stuck. Batman happens to be there, saves the kid and when they're on the ground, say "Play chicken for long enough, you fry." Not quite the PSA that cartoons had in the 80s but it still teaches a lesson.
I think that sort of stuff is better then making kids think the bad guys will go easy on them just because they're kids or some video games making kids and teens think they're invincible.
If anything, a child being more innocent, small, naïve etc only serves to make them *more* vulnerable.
I remember the days when people told kids not to talk to strangers, don't take rides with strangers, don't take candy from strangers etc. How did the saying go, "Stay alert, stay safe". We might see it and other PSA commercials as campy now but I wonder just how many lives they saved
Sometimes I wish I was that sweet innocent child. I've always known the world was dangerous, I learned that when I was 4 overheard a conversation my mom had on the phone about her work(she works in a hospital). It was a severe blow to my view of the world. By making these optimistic films, I think disney is trying to instill optimism in the youth of the world. I'm almost ready to go off to college, and still nervous about going into town alone. I still think they put too much optimism in their films nowadays though. It's what will cause them to, if the instance ever occurs, for them to jump into the back of a windowless van in the hopes for candy.
I think the whole lesson with Dumbo about don't be afraid to be different might have been better if his ears didn't give him a special ability and was just something different about him. But, I can see why they took that route. They probably wanted to say that differences can sometimes be special and that we shouldn't make fun of people that are different or be afraid to be different because those differences can make us special.
A few years ago (well maybe alot ,when I was 14 or so) I rediscovered old Disney movies aswell and came to the same conclusion, there where always two different views with Disney movies,the fun bits that the kids will pick up and remember then the more serious parts for the adults,with deeper plots and sad twists, its was fun rewatching all the classics , and I still find one one or two I haven't seen yet every now and then :),funny thing is about the same time I also discovered anime.
Now while Disney discovered they can drive ticket sales by rehasing the same scripts, and simply replacing the generic characters and dance routines to sell god knows how many tickets, anime has still kept true to there following with studios like Ghibli far exceeding anything Disney now releases ,and just about all of it still has the darker side, while retaining the "Fun" factor for the kids :)
I now love anime and its replaced a large percentage of my viewing time,if you still believe anime to be only for the geeks,please pick up anything that Ghibli has made a good place to start would be princess mononoke or howls moving castle,both have a deep story line with adult like subjects, delivering a truelly spectacular viewing experience, and if you do really want to go deep,Watership Down kind of deep,or even deeper, look for a series called "Now and Then, Here and There" http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/enc.....ime.php?id=287
Now if any one hasn't tried anime please try one of these titles,forget what other people say or what you believe anime is try it ,I promise you, you wont be disappointing, and if you want more drop me a note!!
O-kemono Have you tried anime?
Now while Disney discovered they can drive ticket sales by rehasing the same scripts, and simply replacing the generic characters and dance routines to sell god knows how many tickets, anime has still kept true to there following with studios like Ghibli far exceeding anything Disney now releases ,and just about all of it still has the darker side, while retaining the "Fun" factor for the kids :)
I now love anime and its replaced a large percentage of my viewing time,if you still believe anime to be only for the geeks,please pick up anything that Ghibli has made a good place to start would be princess mononoke or howls moving castle,both have a deep story line with adult like subjects, delivering a truelly spectacular viewing experience, and if you do really want to go deep,Watership Down kind of deep,or even deeper, look for a series called "Now and Then, Here and There" http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/enc.....ime.php?id=287
Now if any one hasn't tried anime please try one of these titles,forget what other people say or what you believe anime is try it ,I promise you, you wont be disappointing, and if you want more drop me a note!!
O-kemono Have you tried anime?
I agree entirely about the message behind the picture, many of the Disney movies these days aren't even worth a look where as Fox and the Hound was incredibly dark, even as a kid. Watership Down and the other film from the same company, Plague Dogs, are a step up, darkness wise, but still the old kids films held something of how things really are (death and loss included) and the closest recent disney films get is the stereotypical " 'Fine then i've fallen out with you/realised something was a lie' *play sad walking away/ missing each other music* 'oh i realise we can still be friends' " plot. The old movies had something akin to comic books - that slight hint of grime even in the corner of the spotlights.
Some of the kid-aimed films now are ok, one i can think of is dreamworks' Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron - but A) that combined traditional drawing and modern animation and B) most of that film was due to the music as there was no dialogue so it depends what you pick up yourself rather than dialogue per-se.
The picture?
I think it's very appropriate - the pose, characters, expression and colouring style all ooze those typical disney qualities from the old films without being that far from your usual lining style etc. The character itself is very cute and almost a mash of the typical 'old school' disney characters like bambi, the fox and the artistocat's. As you typically get in this case: "omg it's cute!!!1" but then you notice the butterfly and it makes you think a little more - much like the old disney films. Like many of your other pictures it begs you to make a story - with the title of the piece it makes you wonder whether the canine character found the butterfly or whether they were friends or even if it is play that went wrong that hurt the butterfly.
As i said, it works very well ^_^
Some of the kid-aimed films now are ok, one i can think of is dreamworks' Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron - but A) that combined traditional drawing and modern animation and B) most of that film was due to the music as there was no dialogue so it depends what you pick up yourself rather than dialogue per-se.
The picture?
I think it's very appropriate - the pose, characters, expression and colouring style all ooze those typical disney qualities from the old films without being that far from your usual lining style etc. The character itself is very cute and almost a mash of the typical 'old school' disney characters like bambi, the fox and the artistocat's. As you typically get in this case: "omg it's cute!!!1" but then you notice the butterfly and it makes you think a little more - much like the old disney films. Like many of your other pictures it begs you to make a story - with the title of the piece it makes you wonder whether the canine character found the butterfly or whether they were friends or even if it is play that went wrong that hurt the butterfly.
As i said, it works very well ^_^
There was something about the older Disney movies that always kept me watching them, even today. And I agree with you on the newer movies, they have gotten way to light and kiddy. It almost seems like most adults these days think that the old way of making Disney movies is too much for kids to handle, so they lighten it up. But they lighten it up so much that they removed what what made it good.
Then there's the CG animation that they keep using now. I didn't mind when they used it with Toy Story, but it's just that they kept on using it for all almost all of there other cartoons. I was always more fascinated by the original animation and the artistry that was portrayed with it. And yes, there was definitely more expression with the characters in the original animation.
I miss the Disney I remember.
Then there's the CG animation that they keep using now. I didn't mind when they used it with Toy Story, but it's just that they kept on using it for all almost all of there other cartoons. I was always more fascinated by the original animation and the artistry that was portrayed with it. And yes, there was definitely more expression with the characters in the original animation.
I miss the Disney I remember.
Holy crap, I am SO GLAD someone finally said this. I was watching All Dog's Go To Heaven the other day and totally noticed a whole ton of things in the story and presentation that were so dark it almost horrified me. I really miss that, and I can't stand the way these films present themselves now.
Maybe it's too "Politically Incorrect" that children be subjected to that kind of thing, but if it is, then what damage could it do? Make children gather a better grasp of what real-world conflict is? No, we couldn't possibly want that. (sarcasm).
Wonderful job here, and I am so glad someone said this.
Maybe it's too "Politically Incorrect" that children be subjected to that kind of thing, but if it is, then what damage could it do? Make children gather a better grasp of what real-world conflict is? No, we couldn't possibly want that. (sarcasm).
Wonderful job here, and I am so glad someone said this.
The Fox and the Hound is my favorite Disney film ever. Even as a kid, I saw how dark a lot of it was. There were a lot of overtones regarding racism, for instance, as well as the fear of being an outsider (Todd's "Stop laughing at me!" moment really struck me as a kid).
This film, along with Star Wars, really helped shape my outlook on life growing up.
This film, along with Star Wars, really helped shape my outlook on life growing up.
I think the only ones who can get emotion out of CG characters is PIXAR... if Wall-E doesn't tug on your heart strings, you have no soul.
But yeah, the older Disney cartoons had much darker moments. As did the Don Bluth films.
Fox and the Hound was a great example of things NOT ending happily ever after, showing people (in this case animals) with differences CAN'T always get along.
But yeah, the older Disney cartoons had much darker moments. As did the Don Bluth films.
Fox and the Hound was a great example of things NOT ending happily ever after, showing people (in this case animals) with differences CAN'T always get along.
Kids are becoming too sheltered anymore, and I feel that its really damaging for them.. by hiding the idea of death or loss or hardship from a child, youre setting them up to be hurt a whole lot worse when it actually does happen. By making everything light and family friendly and happy-funny all the time, youre sheltering them from reality and building up a world of falsities around them thats guaranteed to come crashing down.
Original disney movies were the best. They made you laugh, they made you cry, and you came away from the feeling as though you had actually learned someting important. Fox and the Hound STILL makes me cry, but it was always one of my favorites, as was Oliver and Company and Lady and the Tramp.
The first few Land before time movies were good, IMO... but as they went on, they got sillier and lighter and happier; and nothing will EVER compare to the first, no matter how many more they may make.
Though, I thought the sequel to Lady and the Tramp was pretty good as far as storyline went.. A lot of the sequels are just ridiculous though. And Im not at all a fan of the CGI cartoons... I dont think they look as nice, and so much is lost in regards to style and artistry.. Only 3D cartoons I actually enjoy are Tim Burton's, and as far as I know his are all done with clay. o.o
Original disney movies were the best. They made you laugh, they made you cry, and you came away from the feeling as though you had actually learned someting important. Fox and the Hound STILL makes me cry, but it was always one of my favorites, as was Oliver and Company and Lady and the Tramp.
The first few Land before time movies were good, IMO... but as they went on, they got sillier and lighter and happier; and nothing will EVER compare to the first, no matter how many more they may make.
Though, I thought the sequel to Lady and the Tramp was pretty good as far as storyline went.. A lot of the sequels are just ridiculous though. And Im not at all a fan of the CGI cartoons... I dont think they look as nice, and so much is lost in regards to style and artistry.. Only 3D cartoons I actually enjoy are Tim Burton's, and as far as I know his are all done with clay. o.o
Kids are becoming too sheltered anymore, and I feel that its really damaging for them.. by hiding the idea of death or loss or hardship from a child, youre setting them up to be hurt a whole lot worse when it actually does happen. By making everything light and family friendly and happy-funny all the time, youre sheltering them from reality and building up a world of falsities around them thats guaranteed to come crashing down.
This.
When you set up your child for massive trauma when something bad happens in real life, there's nobody to sue or stage a boycott of when your own parenting results in a kid that can't handle anything. Hence the crepping "wussification" of society. We're going from the "land of the free, home of the brave", to the "land of the professional victim, home of the perpetually offended".
This.
When you set up your child for massive trauma when something bad happens in real life, there's nobody to sue or stage a boycott of when your own parenting results in a kid that can't handle anything. Hence the crepping "wussification" of society. We're going from the "land of the free, home of the brave", to the "land of the professional victim, home of the perpetually offended".
That's old good school of animation. They had put everything about life and death to the story like it was took from reality. That's great. I think you're right. I've got enough of that silly shows made in Pixar-like way. We need serious animation. I saw Fox and the Hound. They did nice job with the backgrounds, didn't they?
I really loved those older disney animations!, and no they really don't make them like they used to =/. It seems that today public opinion is that you have to protect kids from everything, all that you show them has to be happy and easygoing, plastic really.... and that's just sad.
Sadly, I grew up in the 80s, just in time to watch the slow death of a glorious art form. When I was 4, I watched Super Friends like crazy... and learned about basic morality and justice in the process (Though i can see it was terribly cheesy now...) Cartoons like G.I. Joe, M.A.S.K., and Transformers filled the imaginations of me and my brother for years... we never DID stop talking about them. There were others, that went over my head as a kid but I naievely thought I'd be able to watch once I was old enough to appreciate them (if I only knew what that one with the zombies in it was called dammit!) >_<
I think the last gasp of decent American animation was Gargoyles... and that show used Japanese animators... it was like the final glorious zombie rising from the grave of what once was American animation.
And yet... even then there were the hints of American animation's fall and replacement by Japanese animation... shows like Robotech and Voltron... which I now find out were abridged and cencored as they were held to be too much for American kids even in those days. (Death of a major character in Voltron infamously omitted!) In the American version of Voltron you can the beginnigs of censorship of the realities of life.... and the beginnings of the rise of Anime.
One wonders what would have happened if American animation had not died... if it had continued to progress, perhaps there was a level of the art form that might have been attained from the stroke of a pencil which we can only dream about...
I think the last gasp of decent American animation was Gargoyles... and that show used Japanese animators... it was like the final glorious zombie rising from the grave of what once was American animation.
And yet... even then there were the hints of American animation's fall and replacement by Japanese animation... shows like Robotech and Voltron... which I now find out were abridged and cencored as they were held to be too much for American kids even in those days. (Death of a major character in Voltron infamously omitted!) In the American version of Voltron you can the beginnigs of censorship of the realities of life.... and the beginnings of the rise of Anime.
One wonders what would have happened if American animation had not died... if it had continued to progress, perhaps there was a level of the art form that might have been attained from the stroke of a pencil which we can only dream about...
Also born in the early 80's.
Secret of Nimh, All Dogs Go To Heaven, Bambi, Fox and the Hound.
Land before Time was my childhood favorite still is.
I've noticed though with the series as you mentioned, its lost that 'side' to it. Now its indeed more drawn towards the children.
Secret of Nimh, All Dogs Go To Heaven, Bambi, Fox and the Hound.
Land before Time was my childhood favorite still is.
I've noticed though with the series as you mentioned, its lost that 'side' to it. Now its indeed more drawn towards the children.
Who says kids don't love drama? People assume that kids don't like to be scared. People assume they don't like to be thrilled, unsettled, frightened, or otherwise excited in the least. Kids don't just like being treated like grownups they live for it. What are our favorite stories from our childhood? The ones that scared us to death! The ones that took us seriously! I don't care how freaky a cartoon gets. As long as it has a happy ending, you can show kids just about anything.
well said and so very true. One you might have not thought of too because it's not so "furry" was Beauty and The Beast. That one really had a dark side. If I remember correctly there's even an entire song about going out to kill the beast. Near the end Gaston stabs Beast in teh back with a knife just before Beast shoves him off the edge of the cliff his castle was built on. You really don't ever see that anymore. I derived great satisfaction from seeing bad guys get what they deserved by the end of the story when I was younger. In Lion King young Simba loses his father by being trampled to death near the beginning of the movie. So you are right. Disney as dumbed down their entertainment now. Kids are sheltered compared to what I had when I was young. It's the wrong way to do it. No one would ask for all out violence and mounting death tolls. But death is part of reality. A bit like sex and sexuality. But that's another topic.
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