I'm really not a writer, but when I mentioned this project to some friends, they said they wanted to see it after - so it's up.
Pages 1-3 focus on online auctions, with lots of help from Jurann, the admin. and founder of FurBuy.
Pages 3-5 are where my artist/furry pals helped me out - commissions, galleries, paysites, and other art-related online shenanigans are mixed in it.
Pages 5-6 discuss museums in the online world, probably the least interesting part of the paper.
(It ends at the beginning of page six and the pages after are just annotated references, so don't let the size be intimidating.)
Basically I had to research some aspect of the art scene, and I chose all the neat things that go on here online! (: So it's something I actually care about and am interested in. I got to talk to a bunch of furry/artist pals about their online experiences. I tried to explain different concepts and things we're familiar with here, and compare them to things that also exist in the offline world (or at least explain what it is online.) So after preparing and working on this for just over two months, let's hope I didn't fuck up. :D
And if you're wondering which FA artists helped me out, check it:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2240359
Pages 1-3 focus on online auctions, with lots of help from Jurann, the admin. and founder of FurBuy.
Pages 3-5 are where my artist/furry pals helped me out - commissions, galleries, paysites, and other art-related online shenanigans are mixed in it.
Pages 5-6 discuss museums in the online world, probably the least interesting part of the paper.
(It ends at the beginning of page six and the pages after are just annotated references, so don't let the size be intimidating.)
Basically I had to research some aspect of the art scene, and I chose all the neat things that go on here online! (: So it's something I actually care about and am interested in. I got to talk to a bunch of furry/artist pals about their online experiences. I tried to explain different concepts and things we're familiar with here, and compare them to things that also exist in the offline world (or at least explain what it is online.) So after preparing and working on this for just over two months, let's hope I didn't fuck up. :D
And if you're wondering which FA artists helped me out, check it:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2240359
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Hurray! :D That's what I wanted to do.
It kinda came in use with you the other day, I think! Aquacoon said if he won the lottery he would give you the money so you could make porn for a living, but since I finished my paper I told him that it sounded like ya do that already. :B
It kinda came in use with you the other day, I think! Aquacoon said if he won the lottery he would give you the money so you could make porn for a living, but since I finished my paper I told him that it sounded like ya do that already. :B
What a most informative, research paper. To be honest, I was most impressed with the discussion you made about how museums, to stay alive, are putting thier displays up for internet browsing and/or are opening their materials to the public via online means prior to considering, if at all, setting up a brick-and-mortar location. Information such as what you delved up here is definately a hardcore sign-of-the-times and, frankly, goes strongly in conjunction with how people are no longer really buying newspapers, or other information mediums. I mean, if you can access the data for FREE without taking up space around your house, or going anywhere, why not, right?
The other thing I enjoyed was the insights gained on understanding how an artist gets "noticed" in the online world. The duration of time you cited from research is an interesting one that I'm certain many up-and-comers would be interested in. After all, our society is all about "instant gratification" and, even with the internet, some things like immediate commissions aren't a guarentee if one acquires them at all.
Oh, I also am interested in how I believe FurBuy utilizes an adder of sorts to keep snipers from swiping victory at the last minute. I know of how, on eBay, some people even go as far as to use BOTS to snipe auctions and, having an adding effect after a last minute bid destroys that software trick some have utilized to devastate people with last second bids.
I'm curious, do you believe, if given the chance, you'd ever expand upon this report? There were a few areas I feel you could have lots of fun learning more about. For example, with the artist who has the "pay gallery," how does he, and artists of his caliber, manage to combat the free distribution of their material so they retain their subscribers and remain profitable? Also, with so many artists rising via the online medium with their own characters, an example would be
veemonsito, how do they TRULY keep people faithful to them while staving off those who would attempt to steal their intellectual property?
If it's fine by you, I'm going to share that section about the "museums" with my writing friend in NYC who is MA in History. She loves museums and hearing her take on what you uncovered would be most fascinating. After all, if she had it her way, she'd work a physical museum as her career. :)
Fine work, Oxnard! Best report I've read in a very, long time. :)
The other thing I enjoyed was the insights gained on understanding how an artist gets "noticed" in the online world. The duration of time you cited from research is an interesting one that I'm certain many up-and-comers would be interested in. After all, our society is all about "instant gratification" and, even with the internet, some things like immediate commissions aren't a guarentee if one acquires them at all.
Oh, I also am interested in how I believe FurBuy utilizes an adder of sorts to keep snipers from swiping victory at the last minute. I know of how, on eBay, some people even go as far as to use BOTS to snipe auctions and, having an adding effect after a last minute bid destroys that software trick some have utilized to devastate people with last second bids.
I'm curious, do you believe, if given the chance, you'd ever expand upon this report? There were a few areas I feel you could have lots of fun learning more about. For example, with the artist who has the "pay gallery," how does he, and artists of his caliber, manage to combat the free distribution of their material so they retain their subscribers and remain profitable? Also, with so many artists rising via the online medium with their own characters, an example would be
veemonsito, how do they TRULY keep people faithful to them while staving off those who would attempt to steal their intellectual property?If it's fine by you, I'm going to share that section about the "museums" with my writing friend in NYC who is MA in History. She loves museums and hearing her take on what you uncovered would be most fascinating. After all, if she had it her way, she'd work a physical museum as her career. :)
Fine work, Oxnard! Best report I've read in a very, long time. :)
Ehehe, oh wow. 8D I thought museums were going to bore everyone that read, since the part about auctions at the start is what some have experienced, but the part about artists or commissions might involve more people... hehe, it's neat that this part wouldn't go unnoticed. :D
But yeah, art is a luxury, viewing art in a museum is a luxury, and with everything else going on they're kinda sinking. D: The whole thing with newspapers and information online for free I could go on about too since I heard other people discussing some stances on TV too - I guess that's part of why I mentioned the online world always changing and bringing new questions. 8D More of those than answers, so far!
Sniper, no sniping! I thought that part was so cool about the website. :D I don't understand why eBay doesn't do that... would it be inconvenient if the prices kept going up past the desired date of the seller? Is it too much work to try to prevent that? I've lost a number of bids do to that last minute sneakiness.... so I was really happy to see that one place understood and had a solution. :3
PEOPLE USE BOTS TO DO THAT!? GRRR. Ehehe. 8D
I'm sure I could expand on this paper. :3 I've told ya a bunch of times that I was told a bunch of times not to just let writing sit, and I really like this paper! (: I'm pretty confident I'll get a high A, anyways. I actually tried to fit in more than I did, and used museums as a last resort (I actually cut out a less-related part about museums too, since I expanded on a museum that was sinking offline, but wasn't really relating to the online part of my paper at all.) Before I thought of museums, I was going to write about online businesses that concerned art.
But it wasn't easy to find any information as to whether those were successful or not... I could explain some unique websites, but I originally thought I'd be writing about how they're failing since the people that are more used to purchasing mainstream art aren't used to purchasing it without seeing it... but the only online art business that was written about as a struggling and nearing its end was an older article, and the site seemed to have picked up by then. D: So... thankfully museums were there!
It's fine if you show it to your NYC pal. :3 It's really cool that you know someone that might be interested in something similar what I got to research. (:
Ah, sorry this is so long, but one of my life drawing professors who I overheard ranting about how he dislikes the idea of online/digital art (I clearly have different opinions) and that was one of the things he touched on. "How do you know if what someone made is really theirs?"
veemonsito I think, for at least two reasons why, in short, is that 1. the person made it (and just like with that submission you edited, I could tell it was strange and not exactly your work) b. original files with separated layers are the best proof an artist can have of their work. I guess the best example I have is what happened between Dave Kelly and Todd Goldman, where he tried to use DK's idea to make lotsa moneys but... in the end it didn't work out and he lost a lot.
Way too long, and I didn't even cover everything. 8D Ehehe.
But yeah, art is a luxury, viewing art in a museum is a luxury, and with everything else going on they're kinda sinking. D: The whole thing with newspapers and information online for free I could go on about too since I heard other people discussing some stances on TV too - I guess that's part of why I mentioned the online world always changing and bringing new questions. 8D More of those than answers, so far!
Sniper, no sniping! I thought that part was so cool about the website. :D I don't understand why eBay doesn't do that... would it be inconvenient if the prices kept going up past the desired date of the seller? Is it too much work to try to prevent that? I've lost a number of bids do to that last minute sneakiness.... so I was really happy to see that one place understood and had a solution. :3
PEOPLE USE BOTS TO DO THAT!? GRRR. Ehehe. 8D
I'm sure I could expand on this paper. :3 I've told ya a bunch of times that I was told a bunch of times not to just let writing sit, and I really like this paper! (: I'm pretty confident I'll get a high A, anyways. I actually tried to fit in more than I did, and used museums as a last resort (I actually cut out a less-related part about museums too, since I expanded on a museum that was sinking offline, but wasn't really relating to the online part of my paper at all.) Before I thought of museums, I was going to write about online businesses that concerned art.
But it wasn't easy to find any information as to whether those were successful or not... I could explain some unique websites, but I originally thought I'd be writing about how they're failing since the people that are more used to purchasing mainstream art aren't used to purchasing it without seeing it... but the only online art business that was written about as a struggling and nearing its end was an older article, and the site seemed to have picked up by then. D: So... thankfully museums were there!
It's fine if you show it to your NYC pal. :3 It's really cool that you know someone that might be interested in something similar what I got to research. (:
Ah, sorry this is so long, but one of my life drawing professors who I overheard ranting about how he dislikes the idea of online/digital art (I clearly have different opinions) and that was one of the things he touched on. "How do you know if what someone made is really theirs?"
veemonsito I think, for at least two reasons why, in short, is that 1. the person made it (and just like with that submission you edited, I could tell it was strange and not exactly your work) b. original files with separated layers are the best proof an artist can have of their work. I guess the best example I have is what happened between Dave Kelly and Todd Goldman, where he tried to use DK's idea to make lotsa moneys but... in the end it didn't work out and he lost a lot.Way too long, and I didn't even cover everything. 8D Ehehe.
Well, to start, I want to encourage you to go on if you have more to say. This is actually quite an exciting topic!
A matter I thought about, but really should research, is how intellectual property, without formal copyright, can still be considered yours in a "court of law." For example, I've been writing my "Silmaria" series and its pieces for over 10 years now. Over those years, I've shared manuscripts with my friend in NYC, Wackko200, my MBA level, Marketing professor, and, well, you. :) However, as you know, there is no patent or TM on any of my work with exception that, according to sites like FA and DA that put a footnote saying, "Property of Yosh-E-O." I wonder if, should I, or anyone else whose done similar actions as I have, were to ever find their worked swiped by an outside force could actually make a case in court on the basis of not only it being THEIR original, intellectual property, but by also calling in witnesses who have, over the years, proof that the work was developed and done by them LONG before the swindler got their hands on it and tainted it with their lack of talent?
What I mention above would be, perhaps, relieving or insightful findings for artists like
veemonsito and
hakunaro who, either on their works, remarks, or FA / DA pages, make many a note about how the work is "there property."
*cush-cush* Sorry to have to ask, but I was wondering if you could explain how "layering" helps an artist keep their works integrity? Is this to say that layering styles are another way, just like drawing styles, are a tell-tale sign of a particular, creative force? Or, are you referring to a matter like
veemonsito and artists like him do where, on the finished product, they add a sort-of "water mark" in their piece to stiffle robbery? *cush-cush*
Very, very insightful stuff here. And, fortunately, my friend in NYC just wrote me yesterday and was actually talking about working in museums amidst her job search. She actually worked at one before they down-sized her. Not a BIG one, but a pretty cool, immigrant museum that was forged out of an old tenament. The last two pages of your work should be a very intersting read for her. Even if it is something she already knows from her MA in History, I may be able to spark some thoughts and insights. If I hear anything on that regard, would you be interested in hearing them?
A matter I thought about, but really should research, is how intellectual property, without formal copyright, can still be considered yours in a "court of law." For example, I've been writing my "Silmaria" series and its pieces for over 10 years now. Over those years, I've shared manuscripts with my friend in NYC, Wackko200, my MBA level, Marketing professor, and, well, you. :) However, as you know, there is no patent or TM on any of my work with exception that, according to sites like FA and DA that put a footnote saying, "Property of Yosh-E-O." I wonder if, should I, or anyone else whose done similar actions as I have, were to ever find their worked swiped by an outside force could actually make a case in court on the basis of not only it being THEIR original, intellectual property, but by also calling in witnesses who have, over the years, proof that the work was developed and done by them LONG before the swindler got their hands on it and tainted it with their lack of talent?
What I mention above would be, perhaps, relieving or insightful findings for artists like
veemonsito and
hakunaro who, either on their works, remarks, or FA / DA pages, make many a note about how the work is "there property."*cush-cush* Sorry to have to ask, but I was wondering if you could explain how "layering" helps an artist keep their works integrity? Is this to say that layering styles are another way, just like drawing styles, are a tell-tale sign of a particular, creative force? Or, are you referring to a matter like
veemonsito and artists like him do where, on the finished product, they add a sort-of "water mark" in their piece to stiffle robbery? *cush-cush*Very, very insightful stuff here. And, fortunately, my friend in NYC just wrote me yesterday and was actually talking about working in museums amidst her job search. She actually worked at one before they down-sized her. Not a BIG one, but a pretty cool, immigrant museum that was forged out of an old tenament. The last two pages of your work should be a very intersting read for her. Even if it is something she already knows from her MA in History, I may be able to spark some thoughts and insights. If I hear anything on that regard, would you be interested in hearing them?
Ehehe, ah, I see. (: That’s kinda why people have lots of problems with DA. I’m not exactly clear on what they’re doing, but I guess it sounded like they make it pretty easy for someone else to use your art if they want to, and then not get in trouble if there’s copyright violation involved? I used to know more about it because I’d hear people complain about it, and then people counter-complain, and listening to everyone helped but I don’t know anything now. 8D So the law stuff I wouldn’t exactly know.
Oh, and saving the files you work with, like a .psd, .oci, or whatever it is you do, is a great way to do something only you can do. (: I’m assuming by their work that they work in layers, so their work is probably separated by each step, like “line art”, “background”, “base colors”, “shading”, “lighting”, or whatever it is that they do with each layer.
Only the person with that file can turn off certain layers and effects, or move them around, and adjust the opacities and so cool crazy things that a thief can’t. Sure someone can try to edit the work that way, but it’d never be as good as the real thing. :3
There are other little things you can check by too, but even if you do have proof that something is yours in that way, not having it copyrighted may not matter. D:
Another teacher I have said it bothered her when people put © near their printed work, because actual copyrights cost a bit of money. If she said anything more on the subject I’ve forgotten it. 8D
And sure! Whether she likes it or not, I think whatever she’d say to it would be interesting and I’d be happy to hear it!
Oh, and saving the files you work with, like a .psd, .oci, or whatever it is you do, is a great way to do something only you can do. (: I’m assuming by their work that they work in layers, so their work is probably separated by each step, like “line art”, “background”, “base colors”, “shading”, “lighting”, or whatever it is that they do with each layer.
Only the person with that file can turn off certain layers and effects, or move them around, and adjust the opacities and so cool crazy things that a thief can’t. Sure someone can try to edit the work that way, but it’d never be as good as the real thing. :3
There are other little things you can check by too, but even if you do have proof that something is yours in that way, not having it copyrighted may not matter. D:
Another teacher I have said it bothered her when people put © near their printed work, because actual copyrights cost a bit of money. If she said anything more on the subject I’ve forgotten it. 8D
And sure! Whether she likes it or not, I think whatever she’d say to it would be interesting and I’d be happy to hear it!
Aww crap.
I think I know somewhere I'm going to get dinged on in this paper.
I wrote MOMA instead of MOMA, as far as the museum that almost closed down... ):
Museum of Modern Art and Museum of Contemporary Art...
Since Modern and Contemporary aren't super different... ah. ):
That aside I know it's a kick ass paper. (:
I think I know somewhere I'm going to get dinged on in this paper.
I wrote MOMA instead of MOMA, as far as the museum that almost closed down... ):
Museum of Modern Art and Museum of Contemporary Art...
Since Modern and Contemporary aren't super different... ah. ):
That aside I know it's a kick ass paper. (:
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