God the dad scam is getting so bad. First common dad suits being sold for $15,000 then a few pieces of art being sold for $1000+
Are all dads scam artists?
Oh, I wanna be just like telephone so people will love me.

My dad isn't a scam artist, he makes his living as a software engineer for a defense company.

DAD= Dutch Angel Dragon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

Waaaaaa

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Lovely work! If I may make a suggestion would you be including payment options in the pricing? That may attract more people since some are nervous about spending such a huge amount upfront. If you also don't get any takers possibly consider an auction that way there is a chance you'll meet what you desire and others won't be immediately put off by such a huge number and possibly more people are interested.

Not complaining but some possible things to maybe take in consideration of you haven't thought about it :) good luck with your sale and again lovely work!

Thanks for the compliment <3(also love your icon btw it's so cute <3)
I would've done something like that, but it would've opened a whole slew of possible problems that coule arise. I was scammed on a full commission before, I went half way through and the person decided to file a false PayPal report so PayPal took the money, plus fined me some. I feel someone would send half the payment, I'd go half way through, and then there's a chance they wouldn't want it, and then they wouldn't pay the other half, and I wouldn't upload it because I wouldn't have gotten a full payment.
No one ever bids on auctions I do <_> and if they do most of them just do starting bid, which is always insanely low priced, so I never get money's worth.

Actually, because invoices automatically ask for shipping details and there's no way to turn them off, they don't offer any more protection than regular payments--because a person can just say their "item" wasn't shipped to them.

They can select that through the normal sending of payments for goods/services, but there's no way for the buyer to select that, or really anything else, with invoices. Even putting stuff in the memo/notes isn't real protection, as Paypal's ToS outright says there is no protection for digital products... There's just really no sure-fire way to be completely safe when it comes to payments for digital goods. You just sort of have to hope for the best.

Hm, interesting. :O They still technically don't provide protection to sellers, but it's better than nothing!

Sure this is a lot of detail but 1k? I'm sorry but that is WAY too much

Then don't buy it.

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

you really coming through and white knighting against every comment even if theyre 3 years old, huh

i aint really trynna complain, and yes this is a lot of detail but 1k?!?!?! b, thats a lil too much, i could understand something under 500 but 1k, nah man shits too much :x

Then don't buy it.

Then don't buy it.

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

To be fair, as an artist who prices their work pretty high, I just don't think 1K is worth that much. Usually I'm not one to tell people to lower their prices, but that's the amount someone could put towards a descriptive reference by a different artist and several other pieces, or get a fursuit by a smaller maker.

Again, it's your pricing, but do consider that buyers aren't rich? Look throguh the audiences eyes, when they they see prices as high as this, they often think of other things thye could get for the same exact price.

If anything, maybe try an auction with the autobuy of 1K

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

I prefer using 1k for a fursuit instead of a ref. No offense. Maybe 100 is more of a better price

then they need to work more efficiently. why would i pay an electrician $500 for a $80 job just because he spent super long on it.

What factories have you been to? Those kids would be hour for dollar an hour for their work. Are you defending his 1k+ price? Question, do you want to spend 1k+ on this? Since it seems you are attacking anyone who don't agree to the price tag.

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

One, why the Franky berry you replied to a comment that is 3+ years old. Second, why you copy and paste same message to everyone. Third, if that was the case, I should be charging 900 dollars for my models as a starting price and common price would be a few thousand of dollars. Reason why I don't do that is because no one would buy it at that price. Those sales I would of got, decided to ask someone who was selling at a cheaper price. Here is a thought, don't reply to comments that are older than your account. Btw gg on disable your account.

Sorry you are getting flak for pricing your art. Figuring out a price is all about trial and error. If it sells for this much, it's worth this much!

All about testing the waters. Good luck!

I think its been demonstrated pretty clearly by past cases that it is definitely not worth this much

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

I know right? This is so fucking absurd, who on earth would blow 1000 dollars on a ref. Absolutely unbelievable.

Hey this is a bad comment

I wrote this at 4 am lmaooo

I stay up til 5 AM every night and it doesn't make me leave nasty comments or use "Jew" as an insult.

I mean I wasn't wrong tho

Yeah you were actually very wrong on like three different levels; now four levels for thinking no part of that comment was wrong. Next comment will probably put you at five levels.

Josuke is worst Jojo

Still at 4

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.
Also, fuck you for using Jew and disabled as insults.

This was 3 years ago and I was a piece of shit , I’m not like that anymore

I mean I was gonna buy a car or pay my bills but suppose I could buy a copy paste ref sheet instead

Just one question, does buying this come with free access to a mental asylum?

Copy paste art that you wouldn't be allowed to upload if it weren't for the fact that it was a ref sheet

i feel like if the artist was actually better at art it would be worth 1k

LOL! Myself and other artists could draw this is a week for $200

https://m.popkey.co/2e18f2/VlgXG.gif

A ref sheet like this by a GOOD artist even would not take 100 hrs :) thats just ridiculous.

I am a REALLY slow artist but even with that I could do the whole thing in like 2 weeks. 100 hours is an exageration and 1k is just ridiculous.

I'd charge maybe $400 tops for a ref sheet with this much stuff on it.


That "no refund" policy is also massively illegal.

Ok, I really love this ref and you did a great job.
I can see how this would go for $100-$500 (in fact it SHOULDNT go for under $100)
But 1K is a bit much

But yanno, if you can get it to sell for that much then props to ya, man.

5 dollar an hour is a lot actually

That is about 20-30 hours worth of work. Less time if the person is professionally skilled.

I'm all for artists pricing their work accordingly but you have to keep in mind that not everyone is at the same level of skill and therefore not everyone should be charging a base-wage for the work they do.

Actually, everyone can tell him what to charge for his work. He doesn't have to listen if he wants to keep being in his delusional bubble. He says that it would take him 100 hours to do a reference sheet. That just means he's a bad artist.

For reference, 100 hours of work, would be 2 and a half weeks of work. If he did it for 8 hours a day, Monday through Friday. Two and a half weeks of doing this ONE art piece as a full time job! That is absolutely ridiculous, and no artist should take that long on a single reference sheet. If he's honestly telling the truth that it would take him that long, then he should stop selling art and try to practice getting faster at drawings first.

This.

This si hard.
I offer reference sheets about this size for AT MOST 200$
I sped about 25 hours on them when they are finished (example: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c7fphpwxn.....lean.png?dl=0) it makes me about 8$ an hour (almost minimum wage in my state)
Seeing as this is even PRE SKETCHED, it should NOT take that much time to finish this.
In short, if it takes you THIS LONG to finish a piece of art, you need to learn how to work faster, smarter, and prioritize for time better. I am by no means an amazing god tear artist, but a pre-sketched reference sheet should never take that long. or cost that much.

I know fursuit makers who charge this much for a head, and finish it in a week, I cannot imagine paying 1k for JUST a reference sheet, that the artist claims will take "100 hours of work"

This is scamming in it's most beautiful and stupid form. Trying to take advantage of a fan base of, mostly, young and naive commissioners. It's really appealing.
Asking THIS MUCH, for the equivalent of a pretty decent fursuit head, it just disgusting.

I love everyone that claims this is a scam lol!

-everything is transparent.
-the price is right here
- and no one is forcing anyone to buy anything or tricking them into a high priced purchase.

Not a scam. Just high priced art. Lol

None of y'all better ever complain about a commissioner telling you your work is too high.

^^^^

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

I don't think anyone's actually gonna buy it xD maybe someone will.
Thank you!/hug

I love this refrencesheet, I could understand if this was 500$ -700$ but 1k$? That's way to high for a refrencesheet
Now if it was traditional and all detailed and things like that, then yeah I could understand 1k$.

Love the art!! Giving you a watch!

Can't be traditional~ most artists will not accept traditional ref sheets

I've done plenty of traditional references sheets, that dosent make any sense lol (unless your talking about this kinda references, like being to large).

Traditional as in on paper is not accepted by most if not all of the artists I watch as they can't pick the colors.

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

jesus fucking christ

He is not here

I wouldn't normally complain about prices, but come on...$1020 dollars? Yikes.

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Why are you spamming the same replies for a post that's over three years old?

Look it's constructive things like this that artists need more as it can potentially help them in the future!

Well said. And constructive. Poeple should learn from you inastead of just saying it's too expencive or mock ask if it's a joke.

I think what you say is something we all can learn from.

Thanks for the helpful advice! :3 I might do that

Ahahaha holy shit that price though lmfao

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

This is a joke right?

Peps don't need to be this rude to state their point , but yeah, the comments here are amusing♫

Er, this a joke or you're being serious? Serious question.

Look Bab. I may not agree much with the pricing but at the end of the day if a commissioner thinks that the price is 100% justified then thats good for them! they are the ones who will get the art made for em.
Just continue to do what you do best

If this takes you 100 hours to finish I think you should work on becoming a faster artist rather than charging someone extra for it. You can find artists selling similar character sheets for 1/10th the price and delivering in two weeks

Wouldn't say a tenth of the price, but I could find someone with similar quality delivering something this large for maybe half or a third of the price. When I was looking for refsheets previously, I was quoted $200 for a three full-body refsheet by an artist of roughly this quality (probably slightly better, cleaner lines and such compared to what I see in this artist's gallery) - extrapolating that to this refsheet would put it around $500-550 I would assume. And it would likely be delivered in at most half the time.

I agree though, the pricing is excessive for the product rendered.

Adding to the comment about the price, I will say that artists have their right to post prices of their own desire. In 99% of the cases, I will see the high price and regard it as justified based on the quality of the art itself, i.e. WolfyNail and more.

However, pricing in general is a double edged sword. In this specific case with the huge $1020 price tag, this has caused a mild uproar that was to be expected considering not even the most popular artists charge this much for their work (unless it's a big group pic or something). That being said, the artist in this case should consider the feedback and possibly make adjustments should the complaints be outstanding.

Lastly, regarding the comments themselves, I don't condone misbehavior and I believe the comments overstepping their bounds should cease. Even I have to apologize myself for my initial reaction of my earlier comment. However, bad comments or not, the grain of salt should be taken into consideration to avoid future incidents.

There's no need to apologize, this pricing is absolutely outrageous and it is not a result of inexperience with pricing, it's a damn scam. It's really quite sad to see so many scam artists on this site.

this is nothing less than trying to rob people that don't know better and you should be fucking ashamed

They're not forced to buy.

I really enjoy how there are some people genuinely trying to defend spending 1k on a ref sheet lol.

This is such a blatant scam that it's hardly even funny. this is nowhere near worth that much and any sane person could fine the same kind of ref sheet for like a third of this price.

Then don't buy it xd

hehe xd

1k is a reasonable price for art guis

Well most art pieces in public buildings are priced over that. (Not reffering to this art, but in general in the artist community)

Totally agree. This is a scam to see who is the loser in turn falling into the trap.

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Bruh, you're like 3 years too late for this.

Guys. Wake up. 1020? Get real.

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Its not that I dont like it, or dont think that the artist cant price it how they want to...but theres no reason I cant offer some solid advice as an artist myself, that in no way is this ref sheet worth 1020 dollars. There are professional illustrators and artists that charge MAYBE 150-200 for an excellent ref sheet. But over 1000? No. Its a blatantly unfair price. Not ordering people how to spend their money, just adding a word of advice.

Lol I can do this big of a ref sheet for 75 buckeroonies you shouldn't sell an easily colored ref sheet for over 1k

LOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

dad is getting so out of hand now

Please dont blame the dad for this its more stupid furries who are money thirsty

Yeah but the stupid young furs instantly join the Dutch community cos they think OH ITS CUTE
So the Dutch community is 90% full of stupid by now cos most of the smart ones fled

I know right only a small handfull left including me hmm its depressing

It is

wow that was rude Noa. Just because you left doesn't mean you can bash the rest of us. There are many friends I have made in the Dutch AD community that are kind and when you give the time to listen. Friendships are made.

Dudes thats why i didnt say everyone there is stupid.

Still uncalled for. The fandom is full of humans of all ages. If you can't accept a few that are acting up or being childish. I don't know what you expect from the community.

Firstly, I am almost 18 and I LOVE the dAd community. Not only have they treated me with kindness, but the creator herself has been nothing but a sweet heart. It's people like Ryan hill and basic fucks who can't follow simple rules who are ruining inos good name. NO ONE has a right to treat telephone the way they do when they've never even met or spoke to her. Let alone believe drama that's not true. So the next time you want to bash the species take time to get to know the community and not believe everything you see on the internet.

I know the community all too well thanks. But cheers for unwantingly jumping in on a conversation that ended a week ago :)

Haha! Your welcome!!

h3

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

fuck literally everyone telling you shouldn't be selling it for this much

Because 1000 dollars is justified for a motherfucking blank ref, excellent logic there buddy.

or you know. dont buy it lol.

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Thanks : D

This so much.

Especially since half these folks pitch fits when someone does this to them and everyone says it's tactless as fuck to do his. Yet here these people are! Guess that notion only applies when it's convenient for them.

There are so many things that are worth paying $1000 for... but this... THIS is unacceptable for a price for a ref.

100 hours? 100 hours my ass. You need to learn to draw faster while drawing efficient.

The many things you can buy with $1000 would be a fursuit (partial or full),, a MUGEN character you can purchase (because that takes more time than this.), multiple game systems, and MUCH MORE art. If you buy this for $1000, You are potentially throwing your money into the bin because you can get refs like these that are actually good for a price 1/10th of this!

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

I'm a firm believer that art is worth what people will pay for it.
Hope you can sell this with the extra attention it's getting. :)

Thank you :) I'd be able to upgrade loads in my room if someone did xD❤️

Yeah! That'd be nice for you. ^_^

good
fast
cheap

pick 2.

Whoever thought art was a quiet hobby was mistaken. Honestly the amount of advertising this is generating just from people that feel the need to state their angry opinions is probably fantastic for the artist. No such thing as bad PR!

I hope no one will buy this. 1K is far too much for a ref.

That's pretty rude. If you think it's too high, don't buy it. No one's forcing you to purchase art from them.

Its rude for them to try and scam people

How is it scamming when they're very transparent about what they're offering? Don't like it, don't buy!

Right, don't buy this, instead, go buy from another artist who will do the same kind of work for cheaper, and faster, and for reasonable prices too.

But sure, paying 1k for just a picture makes sense

Ok look, who are you to talk when you paid $75 for an icon that isn't even twerking and is only like 6 frames...10 at most and being generous?
If artists actually charged industry prices none of you would have art. You all sound like a big much of spoiled brats. You have no right to tell
Anyone what they feel their art is worth. If no one buys it fine, they'll learn to adjust the price to fit their market but it's really not fair nor right to
Completely shit on them just cause you disagree. FOH.

This icon was like 35-40 dollars lmao.

On her page it's $75.

What is a sale for 500 point.

i paid $35 for mine (not the one using but the twerking one)

and only $100 for this full animated one.

this price for a ref is fair if you charge around $ 80 a char (a good price for most artists) but the issue im having here is all their other ychs are around $25, not to mention they have a ton up rn and i haven't seen any of them finished (not saying they are stealing, not at all, but you dont know the quality of what those are going to be )

now they can price it however tf they want, but they shouldn't expect it to sell.

the market is /literally/ talking to them saying "no this is too high" and i think they should maybe take their voices into account a tad- but they can also keep it at this price with the risk of it never selling.

analyzing the market as a career artist is very important.

Don't get me wrong, I most definitely agree with you! My problem is the people straight up shitting on them and being rude about it,
Putting them down and name calling. Constructive criticism is alright. Stating your opinion in a civil manner is fine, but it's absolutely
Unacceptable the behavior some people are displaying here in the comments. If it bothers you that much move on. Quite frankly I do
Agree $1020 for a ref sheet with no previous examples and such is outrageous but there is no need for name calling and being rude.
The artist didn't ask for anyone's input and therefore it's not needed or wanted. No one has the right to tell then how they feel their art
Is worth. They do have the right to walk away and not buy it. That would show them more effectively than being mean.

While I agree that being rude is not the answer vocalizing your input is a valid response . Especially when it comes to a new artist on here input from the community and other artists that they're receiving on this post I would see as valuable to them. Then again that's just my opinion and clearly they're only replying to the positive comments and ignoring all of the even helpful kind constructive criticism .

I'm sorry if I came off as rude. I just wouldn't pay for something so high...

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

In the end, when you look at and read the artists comments, they obviously do not give any fucks on what we the customers have to say. To me that is the biggest worry for me that would allow me to avoid this person. Like their profile is completely blank, no information of ANY kind, and want somebody to deal a 1000 dollar transaction, I personally do not even see how this is being allowed if anything.

He isn't an artist. He has others do the art for him- he just tweens the work.

jasonafex is like literally the biggest fraud in the community also this is a bad comment

>Jasonafex
>Professional anything

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art by me :) do u like it?

Yo I'd pay 1k for that. Best work of art I've ever seen. 5/7

This 1k worthy

i choked this is g8 kiddo

*slams fist on table! SB XC

Listen I was just lurking and reading the golden comments, but this made me literally lose my shit.
Well played.

Hah! Good luck with this one.

I love that half these people here I have seen throw FITS when people say their work costs too much. Some of them are on twitter where they repost the same kinda tweets talking about how the artist should price how they've see fit and will adjust when when necessary if it doesn't sell.

Now here these hypocrites are insulting, bashing, and generally doing literally the EXACT SAME THING that they complain about bad commissioners doing, and they feel totally right in doing so. Trying to circumvent it with nice words doesn't erase the fact someone told someone else how they should price their work.

I'm watching a bunch of these folks here and on twitter, and you best believe I'm gonna call them out if they even remotely complain some commissioner with poor tact whined about their prices. Be like "remember that one time you whined about that DaD ref sheet? Yeah. Karma is a big ol bitch ain't it!"

I'm sorry these people think that tactless action only applies when THEY want it too and it's not universal. You sell your work how you see fit. Every last person who said it was proved too high here are being ridiculous jerks, some of them jerk hypocrites. You do you and adjust how YOU see fit. I'll be back here laughing at anyone who whines about this happening to them in the future.

Thanks Hun ;u; that made me feel better.
I feel like if they're gonna bash me, they might as well go bash every other furry with tits that sold for 1000$ that was a single flat drawing.(not even kidding)
But to each their own on value, I guess. Thank you though for the lovely comment!

I think it's COMPLETELY asinine for them to say ANYTHING AT ALL.

ESPECIALLY NOT ON A SALE POST. Many of these people think they're offering sound advice that A.) literally NO ONE asked them for and B.) doing so unasked for on a SALES post when you could very EASILY privately contact someone if you seriously want to try and help. As it stands, it just seems like everyone wants their moment in the sun. Their little moment where they get to reiterate literally the same ass shit fifty people ahead of them just said to you, as if THEIR comment will be the end all beat all of the whole entire process.

It's pretty much universally known you don't do this shit to ANY artist. Pricing it at ANY point. There have been PSA's, journals, submissions, and whole twitter posts that say "It's EXTREMELY rude to go to an artist and say 'this costs too much'". That was never EVER subjective. There was no fine ass print that said "except in these certain circumstances". It was DON'T SAY THIS AT ALL PERIOD. YOU CAN'T AFFORD/DON'T FIND THE PRICE REASONABLE? DON'T BUY.

But of course furries seem to think "Oh that only applies when I want it to apply" or any other reason "it's sound advice" "I'm helping your business" "you should do A, B, and C to sell that much" "I'm gonna point out a bunch of stuff in your gallery that don't pertain to this to reason with you". Pick any number of those reasons and NONE of them are adequate enough for it to be okay to treat you this way. So I honestly don't give two shits about what reason they put behind why they think they can come and say anything about how an artist prices their work. It's been a running thing for years that it's tactless and rude and a signal of a bad commissioner when someone actively comes and says that shit and yet here we are, completely ignoring that because "oh I have some asinine reason why this doesn't make me look EXACTLY like a tactless bad commissioner".

Did you ask for the advice? NOPE. Yet here people are feeling super self righteous in giving it to make themselves feel better when all I'm doing is looking at them like "nah dude. You just basically told me why it should be okay for you to continue to be a dick. When it doesn't exactly erase your dick move. Just gave me the motive behind it. You are still a tactless jerk. Some of ya'll are even hypocrites"

Anyway I'm sorry for ranting. I just know for a FACT I've seen a good majority of these people either chime in, write their own journals, or retweet stuff on twitter saying not to do the exact thing they are doing now and I'm sitting here side eyeing them like "Really? REALLY?!"

So that means everyone can be assholes? Okay. I don't play that childish bull. "It's not a hug box so I can be a dick wad."

Get the fuck out with that fucking stupid ass bullshi. lol hug box. Are you 12? Come at me when you have something of value to input.

I ain't got time for generic edge wank excuses to act like asses.

People are always going to resent someone who either
1. charges more than them for art
2. makes more money than them off art
3. has more money to spend on art than they do

and are always going to want to try to bring someone down for it. Best vibes toward you! Even if this doesn't work out, your art is good, stick with it and keep creating!

This isn't really an issue of "value" or "complaining". It's just not a realistic price to ask for. Most artists could complete a ref sheet like this in under 5 hours, many could complete this in around 2. I would personally charge about 300 for an assignment of this size.
It's essentially an extremely restrictive YCH, since it's limited to a SINGLE SPECIES, and I think even a YCH of a ref sheet this size would get around 500 tops unless the artist was EXTREMELY popular.
In general, people will only pay about half as much for a YCH as they will a regular commission, unless the artist is in extreme demand. The big dollar YCHs aren't selling high because people like YCH commissions, they sell high because the artists offering them are in extremely high demand and rarely take work.
If you're just DEAD SET on getting 1000 dollars out of this, you might try finishing it, setting up an easy to work with template and creating an adoptable design with it like once per week.

ino89777 (who you didn't even credit) would probably be lucky to get 1000 on an Angle Dragon YCH.

Most importantly, anyone who is a big enough fan of the species to even consider dropping that much cash on their OC... probably already knows that there are free ref sheet templates for them .
There are fairly NICE ref sheet templates for about $25.

So you can charge whatever you want, but this is bad business and it's unlikely anyone will actually pay you.
I'm offering legitimate business advice when I tell you: you need to stop flooding your gallery with YCH content and focus on finished art, until you hit around 1000 watches or you'll never sell them at a profit.

oh

The average furry is not that intelligent

I will never say to an artist that his/her art is too expensive and i think the prob here is the time you put on that! personnaly that kind of ref would take like 15-18 hours maximum (with informations and some shading) and that's why some of the best and bigger ref sheet never go over 300$! i've seen some or really amazing realistic angel dragon including what you offer and more sold for 250$!

It's not really the amount the probleme but probably more your way to work! Maybe you should find a way faster to do the same work (and yes it's always possible) because i've saw a lot of people over write: '' Then don't buy it'' and it's probably the same thing everyone will say about that piece! I'm totally agree with the fact the an artist need to be paid at least 10$-20$ an hour but for 1000$ you can get a partial suit and i'm pretty sure people will prefer that then a ref sheet!!

Anyway i hope you to find a way to sell it as well and i will had that everything i've wrote is my opinion and some facts! you can accept or not what i said but just need to know that there's nothing rude in what i've said!

This is a lot of art and is pretty much worth it. Think of it as $15 per hour - a decent salary. If they spent 5 hours lining, coloring, and touching up the art, that's $75. The sketch probably took about 3 hours, $45. Plus the cost of materials, time spent gaining art skill, and quality of the artwork, about $100. Then add the demand for the YCH, upping the price a good $100 or so.
That'd be $320. The rest of the price is the funds the artist needs for food and bills as well as more art supplies to continue making art, as well as general profit.
The price of DAD fursuits is definitely worth it as well, for the materials and skill, as well as everything above. So it is worth it in the long run. Yes, it could be lowered, mayeb to $600 or so, but if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Well, these are some nasty-ass comments

Firstly, I would like to say that it is my experience that if someone is willing to throw that much money at you, all the more power to ya. Everyone flipping out and namecalling is a bit excessive in my opinion. Nobody's forcing them to buy, no need to lose one's shit
HOWEVER, two things; The way you have this arranged, with the no refunds condition and the price, some of these commenters are certainly justified in their concerns about this being a scam. Perhaps consider softening those conditions. And secondly, I would honestly be surprised if anyone pays a grand for a ref sheet. Even one of mine when I was doing them wouldn't take me part 40 hours, and that was before I learned how to streamline my processes for speed

Again, IF you manage to get a paying customer, and IF you deliver the goods, all the more power to ya! I encourage your success.

this is a really great helpful comment here, the rudeness of others isn't necessary but imput like this i feel is needed.

let us see if anyone actually decides to buy it haha. Let the yolo trolling begin!

I have hella high hopes that this sells.
Fuck the nasty comments.
Good luck buddy.

Fuck yeah thanks Kylo
Keep beating the resistance 👍

I come from the future of the year 2XXX.

This piece has still not been sold. Instead, it has placed into an internet museum.

i support your right to price like this, having had refs go almost as high. hope you get real intrest.

I'm sorry to say this but you're just charging way too much. Not many people are going to pay 1,000 for a reference sheet and the ones who would wouldn't pay it for a mid-tier quality. This is a price I would expect from someone like Kabier or Wolfy-nail and even then I don't think they would charge that much unless it went up to that price via auction. Heck, I bought a reference-sheet from Pandora and it was 300 for a front and back, two close up shots, four headshots and four outfits chibis. Doubling that would be close to what you're asking for and even then it's only 600.

Also if it takes you 100+ hours to complete this then you don't have a fast enough work ethic to be taking commissions in the first place. Artist who take commissions hourely do so because they know they can get their work done quickly and want a reasonable rate for it and as Mochaspar said, according to your current prices this should only cost 200. No-one is going to be willing to pay 10x the amount it's worth for mid tier quality work just because you don't know how to work faster.

Ps. You legally cannot refuse refunds unless the work is completely finished and to the customers satisfaction. You can write 'no refunds' as much as you won't but try telling that to Paypal if a commissioner ever files a dispute. You will not win.

The issue a lot of people are having that this is a new artist their pages pretty much devoid of all examples of artwork , flooded with ychs priced at around $25 a char (based on that this ref should be around $250? Maybe $400 max) and they're stating no refunds. In addition to that 100 hours is a ridiculous claim no matter what , a reference sheet like this should take no more than 20 to 30.

I do agree with your claim that art is a luxury and not a right there is a big difference between a very sketchy set up and a professional well-established artist who works in the industry rather than with private citizen .

RIP whoever buys this

I just want to put my name on this page. That is all.

Seek professional help.

bad comment

Bad icon :^)

yeah that's true your icon's not very good

Low quality.

Give it a 2/10 at best.

Oh no that's definitely too harsh i'd give it a 6 or a 7. The art isn't bad and it's animated which is cool but the rotation of the hips doesn't really make sense anatomically and if you break it down frame by frame the spinning of the tail definitely doesn't make sense either, especially toward the base. It's not a 2/10 though that's honestly way too harsh.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Don't pay them any attention. They're just an asshole with a chip on their shoulder that just HAS to be rude. JUST HAS TO.

Fuck em and block em.

The simple fact they insulted another artist's work over a comment not directed at them shows how immature and ridiculous they really are.

I agree with you! Good icon btw. 10/10

Thanks! I like yours too!

Your icon made me spit up my drink. XD Hope you're happy.

My work here is done. Lol

Why do I always see you defending scammers? You were also defending that person that scammed me out of $50 for a pelt, and another person out of $300.

Well, those are two incidents. I don't actually normally get into discourse at all. I stepped on this one because there's no "scam" going on. They're not conning anyone, they chose the price they did and if someone wanted to pay for that then it's an honest transaction. A "scam" implies, say, if they offered that price of work for this piece and then ran off with the money or gave someone a substantially lesser quality piece than promised. What this is is just a bunch of people who felt like harassing a user who didn't do shit for them because they charged a price that people thought was too much. Get over it.

As for the person with the pelts, I didn't "defend" them, I just said that people should try to wait longer. He was a friend of a friend who had gotten kicked out and no one had heard from him. I got scammed too on that one, remember, so I was affected and still postponed any sort of dispute over it because I didn't want to yank money out of someone's bank account if he was, say, on the streets or in a shelter. I feel like compassion is more important than money. That one could arguably be a scam and arguably could be someone who fell into far too deep an emergency to follow through with what they owed.

Regardless, I think a conversation on both parts is unnecessary.

A "no refund" policy is one of the biggest and most obvious benchmarks of a scam artist and is illegal and not enforceable.

A lot of artists don't offer refunds. It prevents people from saying they're dissatisfied with a product and getting all their money back a month after having it finished. A partial refund is normally offered if the work is partway done and the commissioner is dissatisfied, but "no refunds" isn't an outlandish idea. You have to watch out for the customer but you have to watch out for the artist too, especially with the problem we have in internet art communities of people preying on artists to get art and issue chargebacks.

It's also completely legal, I believe.

Nah, most artists offer refunds. Only scammers refuse to give out refunds. I don't know a single artist that has a "no refund" policy.

And it is illegal to not render a service or provide a refund for a service that has yet to be completed.

You're obviously intent to call this a scam regardless of what I say and frankly I don't even care to talk about this so we're done here.

Sad at how many other artists are here just shitposting. There are ways to give advice without being outright nasty about it. Keep your chin up and best of luck to you, OP.

Not sure what above commenters are trying to accomplish by repeating how they don't feel this is worth that much in such hateful ways. I see a handful of positively/neutrally worded critique and that's fine, but why are so many people being aggressive or flat out insulting?

Good luck, OP! I'm sorry that so many people are being so vitriolic toward you.

>One Thousand Twenty Dollaridoos

this is cute <3

Good to see no one has forked over money for this scam yet

Id feel bad for anyone who could of paid off a loan, or even gotten a fursuit, but instead wasted it on this.

You feel bad for people spending their money on what they want to?

Id feel bad for anyone who got scammed this bad.

You said they're scamming multiple times but I don't see how?

"I cant see how paying 1k for something other people do faster and better for only a few hundred is a scam"

WEW LAD

You're acting like the artist here is forcing people to pay that price or is doing a bait and switch. Then again, by your actions here everything points to you being a troll, so I'll just leave it here.

Because you can't think of a reason that it isn't a scam? sounds good.

Pft, no. Because an artist is charging what they think they should be paid for with their work, and you're calling them a scam artist when they've been nothing but up front? Don't think it's worth it, you can always move on instead of leaving dozens of belittling comments. Unless they've been proven a scammer (Taking money and running off with it, never completing work, tracing or outright stealing artwork), I don't see how they can be considered a scammer. This entire thing appears to me as a bunch of people being butthurt over something stupid and petty that they could honestly just ignore.

Sorry to but in here but...
scam
skam/Submit
nouninformal
1.
a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
"an insurance scam"
synonyms: fraud, swindle, fraudulent scheme, racket, trick; More
verb
1.
swindle.
"a guy that scams the elderly out of their savings"
synonyms: swindle, cheat, deceive, trick, dupe, hoodwink, double-cross, gull;

I believe Looney is reffering to the definition in bold when calling it a scam because the artist in question is trying to make it seem as if you're getting a good deal for 1k just because it'll take them 100 hours so in turn they are 'scamming' new commissioners who don't know any better.

The synonyms also listed are "cheat, deceive, trick, dupe, hoodwink, double-cross, gull", which would hint that the artist above isn't being honest. The only thing that's outwardly shifty about this is that said artist is refusing a refund on such a large price-Which I do not even think you are allowed to do. However, the person above has not once pointed that out to me, and instead keeps insisting that charging a large price in and of itself is a scam-Which it's not.

Not doing the work and then refusing a refund or sending WIP's, now that's a scam. Not charging a high price.

I agree, I think the price is absolutely outrageous but refusing refunds is not only bad business practice but illegal. (Unless the product has been delivered to customers satisfaction.)

I agree as well. I'm not debating that it's a good price that I agree with, I'm saying that an artist has the right to charge what they damn well please.

But I personally would not buy...Even if I had the money, not allowing refunds in the first place is a HUGE issue.

charge what you feel that your work is worth, no one else has the right to dictate otherwise.

wishing you all the best!

Wow... for that price I hope it's a hand painted by Bob Ross with the finest acrylics and kissed by Jesus.
Good Luck

yeeees. feed me the drama. feeed mee. give it all to ME.

no seriously. someone somewhere will buy this. i have faith in it & YOU!

I'm not gonna address price since i think enough people have but the thing that reaaaallly sticks out is the whole "no refunds" things. "No refund" policies are already iffy as is but you also give yourself a deadline. What happens if you don't complete it in two months, does the person just have to wait until you eventually complete it? Or are they allowed to ask for a refund since you failed to meet your own deadline/completion date?
And why four point views? It seems kinda unnecessary to have a 3/4th view, a side view, AND a front view especially if markings and patterns end up being symmetrical. Same with the two mouth views; one shows teeth and tongue, the other teeth. Some of the stuff included in the ref sheet seems really unnecessary. I imagine from an artist's standpoint, if they were to draw said character, they'd really only need the wing view, accessories, front or 3/4th view, back, and color palette/box.

(And b4 someone thinks I'm interested/considering it, no. I ain't made of money, I have no interest in the species, etc.)

Did anyone pay for this?

im about a dollar away from being broke as fuck

Woah, that's one huge ref yo. No refunds is a pretty bad idea though. I agree with DemonKAM

In hindsight though, this gives me a good list of people to preemptively block! Don't need douchebags who fail at basic art etiquette crying 'scam' when there is none. No one even bought anything yet lol

ya'll just some fuck boys.

(Was gonna reply to your other comment but it seems to have vanished xD
I would block LooneyLuna, for being one of the most immature people I think I've ever come across, but I'm kinda against censoring people, even if they are stupid, so I won't block her. I don't read any of her comments anyways haha
Glad I could help you sort out the weeds though x3

You are bigger than I am. I'm all for freedom of speech but I ain't about immature harassment and nonsense.

I do apologise as this is completely off topic but it's driving me mad as I know I recognise it but where is the logo on your characters shirt from?

World of Warcraft. It's the symbol for the horde

Ahhh thank you! I knew I'd seen it somewhere hahaha

No prob! I get like that all the time and will sit forever trying to figure it out lol

SinisterCyanide is right. This journal brought a blinded Whiteknight who shows real maturity by cursing out anyone who tries to show an artist reasonable pricing. Blocked as well.

Agreed^u^

The lipservice is real.

This really is too expensive. Its the highest price ive seen in years for a ref. And the quality is not especially 'stellar'.

Now if this if this was porn that would be an entirely different mattter.

Overall, this is some cute art ^~^

thanks:)

If I may offer my two cents here... The price seems awfully high to me. I don't want to discourage you but you may benefit from talking with some of the bigger names in the fandom (assuming they'll give you the time of day) to get a general ball-park figure for what would be an appropriate amount to charge.

And if you're taking the view that it's a base wage, you need to be able to justify asking for a higher wage. When using a base-wage system, you have to be able to offer the appropriate amount of value for the work. To use a tangential example, let's assume you're working as a phone-drone at a call-center. If you were to take four times as much time to complete a call, your metrics and job-security would be at risk (assuming each call should be about 15 minutes in length on average.) And as a result of that you wouldn't have a job for very long.

What I've seen in your gallery suggests to me that you're about mid-range (so, compared to artists like Bernal, Grisser, Tacklebawks, etc. vs the fresh-from-Tumblr neophyte.) So, you've got skill. I'm not saying this to be mean, in fact, your level of accomplishment thus far suggests you're definitely someone to consider commissioning.

But the price you're asking at this moment may be a bit higher.

A suggestion... Make it an auction where the starting bid is $100. Show as much work as you can to inform the potential customer what the resulting piece will be like and go from there. This post has drawn a great deal of attention so there are eyes watching which might be willing to take their chances with an auction and the best part is that they would be able to help guide you to a place where you will be able to gauge the demand.

That said... 100 hours... Totally off topic but please work on improving the speed. Its totally do-able and it isn't as hard as it may seem. Best thing to help with that is to gain better confidence and maybe try those "quick pose life drawing" exercises combined with studies of the underlying structure of characters. I would suggest doing those as warn-ups and don't fret about accuracy. Focus on the volume of work, not the quality. Your muscle-memory will improve and you will notice a very stark improvement in your work even after a month. (Think of it like training as an athlete.)

Hope this finds you in a decent head-space b/c I'm going to bet that the comments have you shook just a bit and I'd rather not just pile more of it on you.

Cheers!

Hah.

All the best of luck with that!

Cute artwork.

hows that 1k price tag working out?

I can't wait to see if anyone is foolish enough to buy this.

Lovely ref Hopefully soon you'll be able to work on it!

hahah

I assume this didn't work out? lol

Would you mind if I use this as inspiration for a mega-reference of my own species?

also- I fully intend to commission you for this reference once I've made my suit and can afford it.

I'll believe it when I see it lol

Uh no, I don't like people doing that with my art.

you don't like your art inspiring others? or? You're confusing me just a bit. allow me to clarify what i posted previously. I was inspired by your own work and was wondering if you might be interested in seeing my own take on an absolute mega base for my own species. Not copying, moreso a means of 'i want to do great like you.'

tl:dr
I want to make my own reference sheet with as much detail and heart as you did with the dutchies, since i was inspired by you. Is this alright?

The last time someone said they made a piece 'inspired' by mine they just copied it down to a T. Including posing and positions and the layout of the ref. I can't copyright layouts for reference sheets, but there's no way I'm going to be flattered if you copy me. This includes one of my now ex friends who was 'inspired' by me but just recreated the majority of my YCHS and artwork down to the BG and tree placements and themes.
That's not inspiration, that's copying. If you mean basically redraw this entire image, with your own species then no. I made this layout and placements myself. I wouldn't appreciate or be flattered if someone just re-drew this, everything in the exact same place. Make that up yourself.

I hope you're not doing that.

oh! no no! I promise to make it original in posing, placement and more. I swear on my life that I won't be copying. (Tbh i hate tracing.) I Really was incredibly inspired by how much work went into this piece and want to show you the finished work when I'm done. Would that be alright with you?

Alright x-x if you want
Thanks but I didn't really put much work into this, it's a uncompleted sketch lol

Hello, Is there any examples for these? I’m interested in buying, but you see I don’t want to empty my entire wallet just yet. I would appreciate to see what I would actually be getting.

Heya, not entirely sure if you're messing with me or not given this things price.
But no I do not currently. No one has ever been interested, or more so willing, to buy a fully detailed reference from me even at prices of $50-100 so I haven't bothered to make examples because no one is interested and all I get are assholes telling me it should be cheaper.

The sketch of this is obviously old and would be redone entirely or have anatomy fixes
I think if anyone was ever serious about buying this I'd have them pay half and half to see if they like what they're getting before buying the whole thing.
But no to answer your question I don't have examples. I don't see a reason to spend my time making an example for no profit for a subject not one person has been interested in. It's like me attempting to sell a cookie I made but no one wanted it, so why make more.

Well, if I wasn’t serious I wouldn’t comment now would I?
But I think the problem why people were giving you shit & not interested at all, is because it was priced for over 1k for a sketched reference with no examples whatsoever? Yeah, I can see what they see. Also err... what’s a “Dutch Angel Dragon”?
What would the reference look like anyways? Just a simple color in, or what?

Something came up with my bills anyways, my sister Sharon is currently in a bad situation at the moment and I’d rather help her out with her medical bills. And I don’t think I would be able to pay at the moment.

Lol dude you should scroll up and see the previous comments, not the mention the 5+ notes I've had at this point of people fucking with me, and one I think was trying to do some kinda PayPal scam on me...

But no, I highly doubt the reason I'm getting shit and having a lack of interest(could be contributing to it, mind you) is do to the lack of examples. I have this issue on all of my artwork regardless of what it is, and even what the price is. I've literally had cheap assholes telling me my fully detailed images aren't worth $20. It gets disheartening after a while so there's certain things I don't offer anymore(anthros) and ref sheets being one of them.
I never bothered to make examples because I've had 0 interest in my reference sheets, even when I offered them at $30 for something like this for a year or more.Same comments even with examples via my fully detailed art at the time(Example of "this is what something colored and shaded looks like" just with a ref layout.) It got to the point I got tired of trying to sell things that had no only 0 interest in the god damn $30 range but people being assholes to me I decided that I'll only sell stuff on my own time and prices. If they never sale, things like fullybody anthro NSFWS, less sweat off my back. Maybe one day someone will want to pay me to do a reference sheet like this or a fully detailed NSFW for the price I want, but until then I'm not bothered. I'll stick to YCHS.


Everything would be fully detailed and shaded, and a flat version for easy color reference(if requested).
And you're asking the wrong person lol, I don't know shit about species on Furaffinity. As far as I know their some original species that is basically just furry dragons owned by some chick with the username Telephone(?) I chose DAD's at the time because they're popular, but looking at it now this could apply to any kind of dragon as long as it fits the outline.
I think if I was to sell this if there ever was any real interest I'd probably split it up into charges and see if the buyer wanted the full thing. I don't really see anyone seriously dropping $1020 on me, and even if I think I'd be worried it's some kind of PayPal scam. A few of my furry friends who sold fursuits and art have had some issues with users paying them over $500 and then running some kinda PayPal refund scam. I'm a bit worried and wouldn't price my art like this now a days due to that alone.

I made this when I was 16 or 17 and I think the high price was me hoping to be one of the popular poeple on this site selling shit for over $1000
it seems niche and very specific to certain users. If you're not Zaush or Jasonafex don't bother, you're just gonna get shit on.
If I had time right now, which I don't, I'd finish this with one of my OCS to serve as a example but not only do I not have the time or motivation I can't think of any of my OCS to go here lol.

Sorry to hear, I hope things work out:(
thanks for your interest though!

Oo,I have seen this post quite a bit and same with the comments but I do have a question.

If I were to order a commission,would I be able to get parts of the reference sheet? I'd love to know if I could just get the expressions or the 3/4 side and back view with the paws,colors,wing views,and etc stuff just like that separately or so but I wanted to know if they could be done separately because if they can,depending on the price,I'd love to get at least something off the whole ref! :0

Definitely! that's actually how I attempted to have my reference sheets sold a few months back, the user pays for how many images they want so the ref sheet is customizable, and charged per chunk(IE: expressions, turn around, ect)
I however haven't figured out how I want to price these yet :( I'd have to get back to you on that, I'm not certain my price range for refs

Oo,alrighty!

I would love to get the expressions or so with my character,Glace,or so but if you'd like,I can give you what the ref looks like and you can choose prices or the ref and stuff difficulty wise! :0

I'm think maybe 20 per expression, since my headshots start at 20 each and they're basically headshots... But I'm not open for commissions right now because I got a lot to finish
Maybe offer lower prices if certain portions of the ref is bought or somethn

and sure :D you mean your own ref?

I don't think $20 is bad at all but for all expressions,it would be $180 dollars and I find it a lil bit too much for me since keep me down :'D
But if I do get more money,I can possibly try getting all of them. 🤔

And by the ref part,I meant like buying the side view and back view and stuff like that,you could make a price depending on how much the difficulty you think it would be worth.I don't think my oc should be too difficult but that's all up to you.

Also if ye ever get free time,I think you should make a base or a sketch base or sumin and make it p2u if ye wanna.I think ye art would be amazing for that or if you ever take comms again,I'ma try to get a lil ref base or so. :00
If ye do that as a comm option tho lmao.

Ack,sorry the english seems bad,I didn't notice that the website cut out some the wording.

Expect me to be FINALLY purchasing this from you later this year. (close to september or december.)

Hah I have learned in life not expect anything, I am usually disappointed :P
but if it actually happens it just means I will be much more pleased and surprised like a surprise birthday part hah:D many thanks for your interest!<3 I appreciate it lol

This is amazing. I can’t afford it of course, but I completely understand the price point. I get that you are effectively doing over 10 different commissions for the same character, and thus see that it is perfectly fair what you’ve got. Keep up the amazing work!

hah thanks, I can dream
and yea, its effectively 10 separate commissions. I'll be amazed if anyone ever bought this. I probably should just go ahead and close it because no one probably is, but the idea someone would throw 1000$ at me makes me leave it open
though the anatomy is horribly outdated :/

Total fucking scam, lol

Oh my gosh! I want to buy this if it's still available, please.

Is this a serious comment or shitposting?
Usually the shitposts are more funny. If you're shitposting you should really put more effort into funny comments, that was disappointing by the trolling standards of this image I've gotten over the years.

Regardless I doubt you are serious.
You're the 30th person to either note me or comment claiming they want to buy it and not go through with it. Not to mention you made your account literally yesterday which is a bad sign. The last person who noted me saying they wanted to buy it also had a new account then promptly tried to scam me through PayPal.
I know you people think I'm stupid but I'm not so stupid to not see obvious "fake comment" signs.

lmao I take it that means you never sold it then?