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The finale page in this pretty awesome series :D Gonna probably see more of these two so if ya liked the series, keep an eye out
Also thanks a bunch to
again for making this for us. Go show her some <3 if ya like good tf stuff
And thanks to
for use of Nimriel :3
Also thanks a bunch to
again for making this for us. Go show her some <3 if ya like good tf stuffAnd thanks to
for use of Nimriel :3
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Well, I view it as the existence of the person is still a thing. To me, your memories, personality and what not is a product of your environment on where you grew up and what not. No matter how that's changed or different, the physical aspect (Nerves, brain, blood and what not. Though those do change depending on the species if you want to go more in depth with that) is still there. One could also view it as a form of reincarnation if you are the more spiritual type.
As to why I enjoy it, I just do. I prefer forced Tf's a lot and more darker theme'd tf's of a villain winning. Can't say why I do even though some of my loss of self stuff have more happier/content endings, it's just something that I very much am into wither I have it happening to me or to someone else :3 Best I can explain it :D
As to why I enjoy it, I just do. I prefer forced Tf's a lot and more darker theme'd tf's of a villain winning. Can't say why I do even though some of my loss of self stuff have more happier/content endings, it's just something that I very much am into wither I have it happening to me or to someone else :3 Best I can explain it :D
Well, the original person isn't really there (Least for my stuff at least :3). Depending on story, sequence or what not, sometimes hints of them could still be there though over time those just kinda fade into the new life or that happens automatically. You're kinda viewing it from a "The personality makes up the person" where I'm not really viewing it that same way XD
Well, as I said, Forced Tf to me is what I more so prefer :3 So, normally if someone get's forced into something, chances are the other person doing it is probably a villain (Unless it's a random trigger like I have in other sequences like this http://www.furaffinity.net/view/17156417/ ) I wouldn't compare it to BDSM as much but I get what you're trying to say :D
Don't worry bout it. You're not the first person I've talked to about this and won't be the last. I know that Loss of Self isn't exactly everyone's cup of tea just like how I don't care for Vore or Tf where it shows the person enjoying the tf sexually :3
Well, as I said, Forced Tf to me is what I more so prefer :3 So, normally if someone get's forced into something, chances are the other person doing it is probably a villain (Unless it's a random trigger like I have in other sequences like this http://www.furaffinity.net/view/17156417/ ) I wouldn't compare it to BDSM as much but I get what you're trying to say :D
Don't worry bout it. You're not the first person I've talked to about this and won't be the last. I know that Loss of Self isn't exactly everyone's cup of tea just like how I don't care for Vore or Tf where it shows the person enjoying the tf sexually :3
That unfortunately is where you have to surrender. "Kinks" are just things that turn people on, most without any rhyme or reason. Like... "I find fish women sexy as hell." (As an example) I mean.... look at a fish. .... yeah that's not going to happen. But some people find that appealing.
True, some of the more common ones can be psychologically analyzed, (IE s&m, bondage, etc.) But even some of the people super heavy into it would still say, "I don't know. But it gets my rocks off super hard."
I mean. Some people find shoving shotguns up women's vaginas (gun fucking) and the *firing them* hot as hell. Oh yeah. How's that for a more direct and super niche suggestion?
True, some of the more common ones can be psychologically analyzed, (IE s&m, bondage, etc.) But even some of the people super heavy into it would still say, "I don't know. But it gets my rocks off super hard."
I mean. Some people find shoving shotguns up women's vaginas (gun fucking) and the *firing them* hot as hell. Oh yeah. How's that for a more direct and super niche suggestion?
You do realize you come off as attacking first, by going "lol murder" on things like this right? Doesn't matter if it's passive aggressive or direct, but obviously you're putting a damper on things others enjoy and you comment on things that you dislike. You attacked first, so don't act like you are innocent especially when you kept doing it to me AFTER I told you my rationale (and are obviously doing it to others).
If you don't like his stuff, why the heck are you watching people who specialize in it? Mental tf is still a minority in tfs out there, so the claim that you can't avoid it - especially since you admitted to having talu on your watch list despite a majority of his commissions having loss of self - is completely rubbish.
If you don't like his stuff, why the heck are you watching people who specialize in it? Mental tf is still a minority in tfs out there, so the claim that you can't avoid it - especially since you admitted to having talu on your watch list despite a majority of his commissions having loss of self - is completely rubbish.
Perhaps I can share some perspective as someone who enjoys mental TF/loss of self, even though only a few years back, I saw it as the death of someone as well. Mind you, this is my own personal perspective, and others might differ and vary.
There are several different ways to approach this, from fetish standpoint to more personal reasons, but here's what I can tell you:
In terms of a fetish, TF is something that is impossible to actually do, whether physical or mental. Because of this, the rules that make up the who, when, what, where, why, and how of a TF situation is all fantasy, and are not bound by the rules and laws of reality. This means that, technically speaking, all endings are good endings, even if the ending would be considered "bad" by a standard of reality -- so long as it pleasures you, then it cannot be bad in the realm of fantasy.
So, when you ask: Isn't this essentially murdering/killing someone in identity death? Really, the answer is no, because it never -actually- happened. In that fantasy, the character is often glorified as "better off", even if it's a "bad" ending.
People often fantasize about things that are impossible that, given the fantasy they set up in their own mind, make perfect sense in fantasy and zero sense in reality. Look at furries in general -- they like the physical and mental attributes of something that is completely fictional (and only loosely based on reality). The same applies here, in that it is something that is completely fictional and in fantasy, so anything and everything that is considered bad in reality could be considered good in fantasy.
Hopefully that makes some sense to you. If not, I can try and clarify better.
As for my own personal reason as to why I like loss of self, it gives me a means to be someone else for a time being, as well as be allowed a frame of mind where my own insecurities and problems can be washed away for a permanent (in fantasy) or temporary (in reality) period of time. I get to enjoy a body that I find attractive, as well as be a person I would like to be that isn't myself -- to become whatever I idealize at the time. It's not that indifferent to when a regular person imagines themselves to be a famous person, a powerful person, a sex god, or anything else -- to get perspective and be able to imagine (and experience, albeit in fantasy) being someone who you would like to be.
There are several different ways to approach this, from fetish standpoint to more personal reasons, but here's what I can tell you:
In terms of a fetish, TF is something that is impossible to actually do, whether physical or mental. Because of this, the rules that make up the who, when, what, where, why, and how of a TF situation is all fantasy, and are not bound by the rules and laws of reality. This means that, technically speaking, all endings are good endings, even if the ending would be considered "bad" by a standard of reality -- so long as it pleasures you, then it cannot be bad in the realm of fantasy.
So, when you ask: Isn't this essentially murdering/killing someone in identity death? Really, the answer is no, because it never -actually- happened. In that fantasy, the character is often glorified as "better off", even if it's a "bad" ending.
People often fantasize about things that are impossible that, given the fantasy they set up in their own mind, make perfect sense in fantasy and zero sense in reality. Look at furries in general -- they like the physical and mental attributes of something that is completely fictional (and only loosely based on reality). The same applies here, in that it is something that is completely fictional and in fantasy, so anything and everything that is considered bad in reality could be considered good in fantasy.
Hopefully that makes some sense to you. If not, I can try and clarify better.
As for my own personal reason as to why I like loss of self, it gives me a means to be someone else for a time being, as well as be allowed a frame of mind where my own insecurities and problems can be washed away for a permanent (in fantasy) or temporary (in reality) period of time. I get to enjoy a body that I find attractive, as well as be a person I would like to be that isn't myself -- to become whatever I idealize at the time. It's not that indifferent to when a regular person imagines themselves to be a famous person, a powerful person, a sex god, or anything else -- to get perspective and be able to imagine (and experience, albeit in fantasy) being someone who you would like to be.
Thank you so, so much for actually taking the time and explaining it in a lot of detail why this is a thing. I kinda figured the half about wanting to be a different person, and the fetish side does make a little bit of sense when you consider human psychology: we want what we can't have. So once again, thank you for explaining to me something that has been bothering me for a very long time.
Good way to word it. I honestly was talking to a friend about this last night on the perspective of happiness and life. Even though the personality is gone, who else can dictate that the new one isn't just as happy (If not more depending on the sequence :3) and isn't just as alive. Besides, like you said, it's all pure fantasy which I feel some people sometimes forget. If I got worked up over fiction like some others, I'd probably friggen lose it over Griffith in Berserk because he's one of the few fictional characters I just wanna see get deeesssttrroyed >:W
I personally like to think that just because the original "person" is gone, they ended up as something and someone better in the process. ^^ Better is obviously dependent on the perspective of the individual, but we all have different bodies and mindsets we're attracted to.
As for the whole thing about getting worked up about this sort of stuff, I can definitely see how people can get that way, though. People make connections to fictional characters and can sometimes end up sympathizing or empathizing with them, even if it's completely made up. It's very important for people to be able to recognize when that happens though, else people often try and cross that border between fiction and reality. Hell, look at people who get worked up about things like Star Wars and Star Trek and how fights can break out over completely fictional details. :P And that's just the more silly side of it, let alone the darker side when people can get physically and mentally harmed for life.
That, however, is a different conversation. I always say fuck it :P So long as no-one is being harmed in real life, people can fantasize about whatever the hell they want.
As for the whole thing about getting worked up about this sort of stuff, I can definitely see how people can get that way, though. People make connections to fictional characters and can sometimes end up sympathizing or empathizing with them, even if it's completely made up. It's very important for people to be able to recognize when that happens though, else people often try and cross that border between fiction and reality. Hell, look at people who get worked up about things like Star Wars and Star Trek and how fights can break out over completely fictional details. :P And that's just the more silly side of it, let alone the darker side when people can get physically and mentally harmed for life.
That, however, is a different conversation. I always say fuck it :P So long as no-one is being harmed in real life, people can fantasize about whatever the hell they want.
Reincarnation implies there was a death, doesn't it? :P
The way I see it, a person is their personality. Their identity. It's their sense of self. The body they walk around in is only them as long as that person is still in it.
Like, if a person physically dies, is the dead body still that person to you? Or would you consider it to be only their remains?
Let me put it another way, and say the story went a little differently; Let's say Nimeral had used some sort of fire magic instead and incinerated the man until all that was left was a pile of ash, and then she used the scroll to make a copy of herself out of thin air.
What relevant difference is there, really between that end result and the one in the comic? The fact that the dude gets turned INTO her in the comic doesn't change the fact that he, himself, is gone. He doesn't exist anymore. He's been replaced with a 2nd Nimeral.
The difference between that and just straight-up murdering him directly is only a technicality, IMO.
The way I see it, a person is their personality. Their identity. It's their sense of self. The body they walk around in is only them as long as that person is still in it.
Like, if a person physically dies, is the dead body still that person to you? Or would you consider it to be only their remains?
Let me put it another way, and say the story went a little differently; Let's say Nimeral had used some sort of fire magic instead and incinerated the man until all that was left was a pile of ash, and then she used the scroll to make a copy of herself out of thin air.
What relevant difference is there, really between that end result and the one in the comic? The fact that the dude gets turned INTO her in the comic doesn't change the fact that he, himself, is gone. He doesn't exist anymore. He's been replaced with a 2nd Nimeral.
The difference between that and just straight-up murdering him directly is only a technicality, IMO.
Oh yea, I know what you're saying (Especially since I'm the one who gets mostly these types of commissions). I personally do not believe in reincarnation and was using more as a something to compare it to for those who are more spiritual because the whole concept of reincarnation is to be reborn again as something new.
Though everything you've typed, I pretty much agree with :p
Though everything you've typed, I pretty much agree with :p
It's only technically an opinion, since this is a theoretical concept that doesn't exist outside of fiction.
If you wipe someone's personality as shown in this story, that person is gone.
Let's say, for example, that she used fire magic to burn the man to Ash and then used a spell to conjure up a copy of herself, instead? The end result is exactly the same.
That dude is dead.
If you wipe someone's personality as shown in this story, that person is gone.
Let's say, for example, that she used fire magic to burn the man to Ash and then used a spell to conjure up a copy of herself, instead? The end result is exactly the same.
That dude is dead.
Hold up, I know for a fact Loss of Self/MC is not everywhere in the Tf community. Trust me on that, I've done my plenty of searching and loss of self is still not that much of a larger part. Though it has grown quite a bit since I've first discovered it, it's still a small portion. Like she said, just look harder :p
Nope! Sorry to say but all the tf's ya see in my gallery based on whatever fictional universe they may be in are permanent along with any and all effects that come with it :D
To answer your second question, that's the whole point of the loss of self you see happen on page three. If 'she' only remembers herself as Nimeral, there is nothing to explain :3
To answer your second question, that's the whole point of the loss of self you see happen on page three. If 'she' only remembers herself as Nimeral, there is nothing to explain :3
Fair enough.
Also, I apologize for my comments coming off as blunt.
Up until a few months ago, I was very much like 4evr, but I am trying my best to not be reactionary and judge something solely off of what it is catering to.
In fact, I find the existential and philosophical dilemmas of this scenario interesting.
Also, I apologize for my comments coming off as blunt.
Up until a few months ago, I was very much like 4evr, but I am trying my best to not be reactionary and judge something solely off of what it is catering to.
In fact, I find the existential and philosophical dilemmas of this scenario interesting.
Tis fine :D I've been in the Tf scene for a very very long time. I understand that Loss of self kinda goes against the whole point of enjoyin the tf though I have my reasons for liking it a lot :3 That being said, I always tell people, if ya don't like it, there is plenty of Tf stuff out there to suit whatever tis you're looking for and if not, commission yer own :3
When I do pics like this with other people's characters, I try to stay true to the character's integrity. Sure, maybe in the long run 'if' they ran into each other again and 'if' the twin got over being a scape goat, probably. Though in the moment at the time, the original is gonna use what she needs to escape, least for that moment. If anything, since she knows herself so well, she probably knew the twin would most likely escape and possibly could've been a test to see how well her own skills and traits were copied
She sold the scroll. Nimeral is an Assassin first so her stealing the scroll for extra money was for her own gain. Can't say she really cares if the cycle begins with someone else. Her job was to take out the original target who was the owner of the scroll who you don't see in the strip to begin with
Okay, this blew up WAY larger than I initially intended, so I'm gonna come out, be the better man and apologize. My attacks on this piece and you, while not exactly intentional, were completely unwarranted, and I sincerely apologize for that. I'm gonna go through and hide all my comments that are even slightly negative.
To be completely honest, I think my main problem with this kink is that yes, I do see it as the original personality's death, but as much as I hate to say it, seeing it fascinates me and... *Ahem* Turns me on more than most any other fetish. Even TFTG on it's own, without any mental alterations. The fact that most of me hates this fetish, but the rest of me secretly loves it, is driving me nuts, and I think that's where my problems and attacks were coming from.
Talu, Deiser, I sincerely apologize for everything I've said to either of you in the past. I'm not asking for forgiveness, because I know I don't deserve it. I'm merely asking that we bury this and move on.
To be completely honest, I think my main problem with this kink is that yes, I do see it as the original personality's death, but as much as I hate to say it, seeing it fascinates me and... *Ahem* Turns me on more than most any other fetish. Even TFTG on it's own, without any mental alterations. The fact that most of me hates this fetish, but the rest of me secretly loves it, is driving me nuts, and I think that's where my problems and attacks were coming from.
Talu, Deiser, I sincerely apologize for everything I've said to either of you in the past. I'm not asking for forgiveness, because I know I don't deserve it. I'm merely asking that we bury this and move on.
Lol, dude. Don't worry about it. I didn't at all get offended nor really care that you didn't like this art piece. I understand that not everyone is into Loss of Self for the same reasons that you stated and you're not the first person I've had this convo with and won't be the last :p Besides, I was a paratrooper in the military and if people's different opinions really got to me, I don't think I would've done as good a job as I did or even now where I work when I arrest or detain people ;3
Ya don't have to like it and if you really are curious about it, feel free to ask like ya did :D
Ya don't have to like it and if you really are curious about it, feel free to ask like ya did :D
I was afraid I was gonna be accused of only saying that to try and calm things down without having learned anything. ^^; Thanks for proving me wrong. And thank you for accepting my apology.
And though you say I don't need to feel bad, I do. I was more toxic than a MOBA player for absolutely zero reason.
And though you say I don't need to feel bad, I do. I was more toxic than a MOBA player for absolutely zero reason.
Perma-TF with mind-shenannigans? Hoo, hope an item like that's got a pretty hefty cooldown. :D
It's a bit unclear in the comic itself: Just how complete is the self-loss? What aspects does it cover and not-cover (memories, traits, skills, etc)? Sorry if you covered that somewhere else, I didn't see it.
It's a bit unclear in the comic itself: Just how complete is the self-loss? What aspects does it cover and not-cover (memories, traits, skills, etc)? Sorry if you covered that somewhere else, I didn't see it.
So they're effectively clones at the moment of scroll-use, and then begin to diverge as they have their own experiences independently of one another? Does the original victim show through at all in minor ways, or retain any of their skills, memories, talents, for the new personality to make use of?
Heheh, has a naughty dragon gone and made a horde of assassin-buddies in 6 months? :D
Heheh, has a naughty dragon gone and made a horde of assassin-buddies in 6 months? :D
Lol. Whoops. Just saw this. My bad
To answer the question, most likely. Though Nimeral and him where the only two in there when he caught her and she pretty much wiped his memory clean to put her own identity in the twin. So there isn't really anyone that could say what happened to the guard. What could they really go off of
To answer the question, most likely. Though Nimeral and him where the only two in there when he caught her and she pretty much wiped his memory clean to put her own identity in the twin. So there isn't really anyone that could say what happened to the guard. What could they really go off of
Glad to see my comic had an influence on your current mood, the salt always powers me up to the next level and inspires me to get more twinning and loss of self based art ;D
Though I will say as a fan of DS as well, that's not exactly a happy game either and to say my comic has made ya move to the point to where you need to play that to feel better, well I'm flattered honestly. I really tried to pull out some more darker elements for this comic :D
Anyways, Praise the Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmtApMv0oQ
Though I will say as a fan of DS as well, that's not exactly a happy game either and to say my comic has made ya move to the point to where you need to play that to feel better, well I'm flattered honestly. I really tried to pull out some more darker elements for this comic :D
Anyways, Praise the Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmtApMv0oQ
I have enough problems in RL, so I wish I could just see not such dark stuff on the internet. Already makes me feel super depressed to know that such a thing as the Dark or Deep web exists with its sick stuff.
Don't need fiction to ruin my mood further.
At least it inspired me to write something.
As a side note, that comic is depressing enough for me to make me want pay you money for a non-depressing ending. Which.. not many people manage to do.
Don't need fiction to ruin my mood further.
At least it inspired me to write something.
As a side note, that comic is depressing enough for me to make me want pay you money for a non-depressing ending. Which.. not many people manage to do.
Trust me, as someone who is currently studying Criminology and has studied many maaaaaaaany dark things from IRL, this is pretty tame compared to what's out there or even on the dark web (Which I've been there). Plus, as what anyone would tell you in this scenario, "If you don't like it, don't look at it" which I don't like telling people but in this case, I can't think of anything that would help that.
Glad that it helped ya inspire to write something >;3
And lol, nah. Me and the owner of Nimeral have already discussed post tf ideas with this and it pretty much a continuation of what happened in this sequence. So as flattering as I find you wanting to give this story a happy ending, I already find this ending to be quite fitting for the direction we plan on taking this in.
Glad that it helped ya inspire to write something >;3
And lol, nah. Me and the owner of Nimeral have already discussed post tf ideas with this and it pretty much a continuation of what happened in this sequence. So as flattering as I find you wanting to give this story a happy ending, I already find this ending to be quite fitting for the direction we plan on taking this in.
Given that this comic was done months ago, the ONLY way you could have seen it is if you were browsing the gallery. You already knew of its existence beforehand yet did nothing to prepare yourself to just ignore it and browse the rest of the gallery. That's entirely on you, and blaming the comic and then passive-aggressively asking for another ending just because you don't like it (despite it not being your comic to begin with) is unreasonable.
I highly doubt you'd appreciate it if someone posted on a picture you got, indirectly telling you that your taste in themes or endings is bad, and then try to guilt trip you for getting such an ending. You obviously know how it feels to be depressed, so please keep in mind that comments like yours can lead others into similar depression (though thankfully not Talu). There's a time and a place for comments like yours, and this is not one of them
I highly doubt you'd appreciate it if someone posted on a picture you got, indirectly telling you that your taste in themes or endings is bad, and then try to guilt trip you for getting such an ending. You obviously know how it feels to be depressed, so please keep in mind that comments like yours can lead others into similar depression (though thankfully not Talu). There's a time and a place for comments like yours, and this is not one of them
So you unwatched Talu yet browsed his gallery despite knowing that a good chunk of stuff has "dark" elements? Then you really have no right to complain the way you have about it.
Being curious is fine, but expressing discontent just because you don't like art that wasn't intended for you doesn't help anyone. I highly suggest not doing doing this simply to avoid future drama.
Being curious is fine, but expressing discontent just because you don't like art that wasn't intended for you doesn't help anyone. I highly suggest not doing doing this simply to avoid future drama.
Right now, I totally forgot about that comic again, as if I haven't seen it. So my mood is pretty neutral, which means it's not as bad as before but also not perfect.
Also, I tend to take weeks, months or years to have the courage to write something to someone. I see a thing and then it takes me a long time (sometimes not as long) to get the courage to send the artist or writer a message, it's just how I am.
Something I'd love would be some sort of "tag block" like, you can block out certain tags, because most of the time, someone posts amazing art but also content that I don't like and I'm really conflicted, do I want to keep watching them for their awesome art with the chance that they will post themes I don't like or will I unwatch them and miss out on their art?
Also, I tend to take weeks, months or years to have the courage to write something to someone. I see a thing and then it takes me a long time (sometimes not as long) to get the courage to send the artist or writer a message, it's just how I am.
Something I'd love would be some sort of "tag block" like, you can block out certain tags, because most of the time, someone posts amazing art but also content that I don't like and I'm really conflicted, do I want to keep watching them for their awesome art with the chance that they will post themes I don't like or will I unwatch them and miss out on their art?
I think your tag idea is actually pretty clever. I don't think I've seen it be implemented anywhere, yet it's a clever idea (I'm being completely serious by the way, just in case you think I was being sarcastic). Admittedly I'm not sure how it would be implemented, but I can't imagine it being harder than an if-then statement (IF any tag is on blocked list, THEN don't feature update in your submission notifications). Only issue is whether such an implementaiton would be efficient in terms of processing/loading.
There is an Xkit extension for Tumblr that adds a tag filter, there is also "tumblr savior" just to name 2 versions, that take words or tags and make the post "hidden" you can still click on it when it says "that post contains the words Bleep bloop" or "this post contains the tag Bleep bloop" and you can watch it on your own decision or just ignore it and keep it hidden.
Also, I didn't mean to be rude. D: I just wanted to say what I feel (I'm bad at that btw).
Also, I didn't mean to be rude. D: I just wanted to say what I feel (I'm bad at that btw).
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