Hey! Beast machines was a damn good series. Great storyline.

Only thing I didn't like was the ending.

The voice actors and fans thought differently... then came the Unicron Trilogy...

agreed. have such hype and altumate bady and just taken out with ease.


one of my fav story arc is archiniea trying to rember her love and figureing out who he is.

I never thought Beast Machines was a bad series. Maybe not an ideal follow-up to Beast Wars though.

no, no it wasnt, not even close

Blarg beast machines... I'ld rank it up there with transformers Energon.

Could be worse.

Could be Armada.

Or Energon. Nnnngh.

Rattrap's last line does raise the point of what dicks the other Maximals (save Optimus)were in that episode.

Ok, I laughed my ass off.

It still bothers me to this day that the dirty scoundrel spy who was higher ranked than damned Cheetor got hosed so bad with his robot form in the sequel series. No weapons. No explosives. Just wheels.

I feel it gave him a character arc. He's always been sorta strung up, a bit of a coward, but always had his demolition skills to fall back on, and here he has to learn to make due without them, ad he ends up being sorta the inventive one of the group because of his having to find new ways to deal with the world.

He wasn't a coward so much as he was practical. I understand why it took him so long to finally transform but honestly there was no reason to handicap him as much as they did, Rattrap has always been resourceful going as far back as the first season of Beast Wars. All Beast Machines did was make him physically useless in both mode. That still bothers me because Rattrap was established as being trained in espionage and an urban environment like Cybertron should have been ideal for him, if anything he should have been coping better instead of struggling as much as he did.

AHHHH HAHAHAHA!! "Be nice to me, dammit!" omg... lol!!

Beast Machines gets a lot of crap. It's not as good as Beast Wars, but the animation was an improvement and the story had potential. And there are FAR worse Transformers shows (Looking at you, Energon).

Arg, right, that was the name of that one. I was trying to block it out. Beast wars and Beast Machines (and Beasties) were great- equal to or better in some ways to Transformers. TF Energon, however was a waste of work and materials. Yes, that bad!

What's sad is that everything you've said is true. Apart from the mode changes being lazy and the Maximal's robot modes looking meh the animation was a vast improvement to Beast Wars, albeit too dark at times to make out some of what was going on, and the plot was actually pretty good once you got past the fact that they were still fighting Megatron. And yet even with all that it was still far superior to the Unicron Triology.

It's weird seeing blast things first Rattrap actually act like that he would keep the deal

I know there are flaws to Beast Machines but I personally like it. I also thought certain character arcs were done better than in Beast Wars, specifically Cheetor. I liked his evolution from being stuck in the kid appeal character to become second in command of the maximals.

I've never watched Beast Machines (I watched Beast Wars though), but I heard Rattrap received a lot of crap from his fellow Maximals in that series. I guess that last line is a reference to that? :)

rattrap caught a ton of shit in this series because his robot mode was completely useless. his general pessimism didn't help either.

So he had to use tools not included in his robot mode in order to have fighting chance with anybody?

his one ability in robot mode was that his tail was a kinda universal interface which was useless for anything except moving the plot along. he could use weapons but in this series there generally weren't weapons that you could just pick up they were usually attached to one of the vehicons.

That's bad luck for him.

Bad show. Nice comic.

Beast Machines is actually my favourite TF series.

have this ALL on DVD
Was made by Mainframe
Same ones who did Reboot

I liked Silverbolt in Beast Wars. A Sir Galahad/Captain America type who became a morose/self hating condor in Beast Machines. Yeah, real improvement!

Terrible? Beast Wars is AMAZING. It's the only Transformers series I own All of the seasons of. Dinobot's death still brings me to tears every time.

Yeah I never understood why Rattrap of all people would give a damn about honoring an agreement with someone he personally despised.

As for Beast Machines as a series, it was watchable though I didn't care for them handicapping Rattrap the way they did or butchering his appearance outside of Beast Mode. There were aspects of the show that could have been handled much better than they were, all in all was a disappointing follow up to Beast Wars.

The main problem with Beast Machines is that it's a direct sequel to Beast Wars, as most of the issues stem from inconsistent characterization. Seriously, if you ignore the sequel aspect for the most part, it improves tremendously.

I still remember the end of this series in which when they won... it seemed like they kinda destroyed the planet for robots/ruined the lives of millions of robots

I gotta confess after many years of playing 'MAATAC' one of my favorite tactics was to bring down the "Scenery" on top of the bigger armor.

Yup, nice 'How it should have ended'!