poor matt >>

He did KINDA have it coming by just throwing himself at Scott expecting that since they're the only gay guys, they'd go together

This. There IS such a thing as trying to hard. That and not taking "no" as an answer is red flag city.

Which doesn't make Scott's attitude (not listening to him, and then going away without answering ["yeah, sure" doesn't count as an answer...] nor telling the other two) any less rude. Noone is perfect, but everybody can try to be nice.

Matthew is obviously desperate to at least be friends with the only one he knows to be gay as him, and not push things anymore in a sexual way, at least apparently/for the time being. He wants to know what's happening with Scott but at least he's trying to be nice. On the other hand, Scott is too focused on his date and is being rude to everyone else by going away without at least telling them beforehand. Not too long ago it was said that honesty is important in a good relationship, and it's obviously lacking everywhere here.

Whatever happens to Scott becuase of this attitude, if he keeps it up... He will have had it coming, too... I'm not trying to defend Matthew, just pointing that Scott is not being the best friend at the moment and that may bit him in the ass in the future...

If you ask me, Thomas is probably the only one here that's guilty of basically nothing of what we know/have seen so far.

Of course I'm not saying Scott owes anything to Matt. When I say "he will have had it coming" is in reference to the other two. People not being nice to you is not reason for you to not be nice to people (although obviously you can't ask someone to be/keep being fiends of someone else that, as you said, "borderline sexually assaulted" them...).

When I say "nice" I'm no saying "be friends". You can politely tell someone you don't want to talk to/be around them/have them around you anymore. In this very particular case and by looking at the small part of "conversation" we can see, it looks like Matt is trying to somehow fix what he did wrong. I agree with you in that Scott didn't ask to be followed nor did he intend to have any conversation to begin with. My only criticism regarding his way of acting is:

1. He's giving a half-assed answer to someone who will either get angry and cause him more trouble because he won't felt listened to (if he deserved it or not is a different matter), or to someone who actually feels bad about what he did and is trying to fix it the best way he can (and again, following Scott is not the best way, for sure). In the first case he's going to get into trouble (basically because Matt would be an asshole), and in the second case he's denying Matt his forgiveness, which is, in my opinion, not nice at all, because it implies he would be breaking all ties with someone because of a mistake (not a light one, ok) he made, and not because he's someone really despicable.

2. Scott is not telling anything to the other two about leaving, and they are obviously not at fault. Leaving Matt aside, what concerns me is that he may "abandon" his friends because of his potential relationship with Derek. And this is where Scott wouldn't be a victim anymore. He can be a victim of a "borderline sexual assault", being followed and being forced to start a conversation he didn't want in the first place. But he cannot be a victim of not telling the other two that he's leaving (and he's therefore not going to have any meal with them) or potentially not paying them any attention anymore (Thomas already told him in one of the previous pages they hadn't gone out at all during the week and hadn't told him anything, which hints to the fact Scott may be giving him the cold shoulder, and I think they are supposed to be friends).

Long story short, I'm concerned with Scott giving the cold shoulder to his friends and also (but not so much because it's not clear how honest Matt is being) about him not being able to give someone a second opportunity after they made a mistake (Matt obviously, but only assuming he's being honest now).

What I want to say is, if Scott keeps giving his friends the cold shoulder, which is a mistake on his part and wouldn't be nice at all, he will absolutelly have had it coming if they start giving the cold shoulder in return. If it turns out Matt is being honest and Scott is not willing to give him a second opportunity, then he would have had it coming again if his friends don't want to forgive him in the future for giving them the cold shoulder now (it would be sort of like karma, since he wouldn't be getting a second opportunity after denying it to someone else).

So I'm not trying to protect Matt at all. It's very easy to see what he did wrong, and it's hard to say at the moment if he's being honest now or not, but Scott is not being the nicest guy with his "friend/s" right now, so I simply wanted to point that to be more fair to everyone implicated (directly or not) in his situation, befaure everyone starts pointing fingers at Matt and forgetting that noone is perfect and everyone here is making their own (more or less important) mistakes.

I'm Sorry.. But I am going to have to take you to task on this..

"Borderline Sexual Assault" It was a kiss.. not a grope. How many times in stories and incidences in the past has the term of 'Stealing a Kiss' been used. So many romance novels and films have featured this simple act. We even see images of this on TV and Films daily.

However it's this kind of attitude that nowadays has young men terrified of interacting in anyways with women. Opening a door is now 'Passive Aggressive implying that she cannot open her own door'.

Yes.. Matt did steal a kiss.. but he did not take it any further.

As a gay guy myself and growing up in the 60's and 70's coming out to someone was a very dangerous thing.. It could ruin friendships, career, societal status, and even your life. You were often along and the chance of finding another gay guy was a joy for the chance of romance.. or at least someone to talk too.

As for Scott's treatment of Matt - He is being cruel and very immature. And I hope that Derrek lets him know that.

Scott was literally whimpering during that earlier encounter with Matt. I'm sorry, but I definitely draw the line when someone sends an obvious signal of disinterest (and even distress) like that.

Sorry.. Check This scene http://www.furaffinity.net/view/17910194/
There is no whining and in the top panel they are nose to nose.. Eyes closed.

If was not until during the kiss that Scott decided that he wanted Derek..

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/17396873/

This is absolutely whimpering and distress.

However Scott followed Matt willingly into the change room and the showers.
If he was so distressed then he would have run. Also - what was the reasoning behind Scott's reluctance - being kissed in public when her was not still out.. or revulsion at being kissed by Matt.

Hi! I was only following with what was said before. I would personally consider it rude if someone suddenly tried to kiss me, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it "Borderline Secual Assault" myself. In fact, I've had something similar happen to me and it's now simply a part of the past, and my friendship with this person still continues with no problems at all. What I was trying to say is that, even if it was a mistake, Matt's intentions were not bad, and it was just a misunderstanding on his (their?) part.

Most people seem to be criticising Matt as if he was some kind of sexual assaulter that is perfectly concious of what he's doing "wrong" and doesn't care at all. Scott himself is being rude at the moment and these people seem to imply that because Matt acted "wrong" he deserves it.

I agree with you in that Scott is being immature, and I also find the "you did wrong to other so you deserve it if somethind wrong is done to you" kind of immature, simply because that's exactly what ruins relationships (I'm not talking just about love or friends relationships, but relationships in general). People seing Matt's mistakes as something (almost) criminal and justifiying Scott's should try to emphathize a little bit more with all the characters and acceept that none of them are perfect, as much as they like/dislike them, I think...

If people accept "mistake should imply punishment" instead of "mistake should imply forgiveness and change", and they applied that to every aspect of their lives... We would be doomed...

kind of, but nevertheless that was not polite of scott, always, ALWAYS be a gentleman

Ooh, those Telegram messages.

Telegram message?

The messaging system that Derek and Scott are using on their phones.

Looks more like whatsapp messages

Nooooo it very much looks like telegram

BLY?! OnO *runs*

Oh hey man~ *pounces and hugs* How are ya?

eep! i'm good <3

It could be WhatsApp :v

I see an arm grab coming lol

when you try to ditch someone and they dont get the message XD

Oh deer you get it?

God scott you don't have to pay THAT little attention.
Atleast tell the guy a "Look, I really gotta go, nothing against you or anything. Just, real bad time"

Too bad he'd be lying. It IS him and he was already told no. Deer boy needs to back off.

Deer boy may need to back off, but dog boy needs to be nicer. At the very least to the other two, to whom he said nothing and will come back with some food noone's going to eat and without any explanation.

To the other two, yes, to Matt, no. Matt's a dick and damn near (if not totally) sexually assaulted Scott. I don't feel all that bad for Matt. But he should have told his other friends. Sent them a text or something at least .

Matt can't take a hint, but to be fair he's in high school.
He didn't really push Scott into an alley and demand a blowjob, he was just really forward with somone who was appropriately so far back in the closet. The real hitcher here is that Scott isn't being 100%.

If scott had said: "I might be gay, but not for you dude." perhaps that would have been a better answer instead of "I am not" since it hides two very key components in giving Matt a reason to back off. Right now he's just dodgerolling out there

Eh.
For high school furry drama this is still kinda tame.
Atleast Jesus isn't one of the motivating factors.
I'd say this is a 'healthy' sort of conflict.
Conflict you need to sorta experiance so you know how much of a retard you once were

I'm not trying to say Matt is deserving of a second chance, potential friendship and what he did should just be swept under the rug. He knows he fucked up. it's vary apparent he knows he fucked up. We all know he fucked up too, no one has 'forgotten' that he came on super strong to Scott, who was so far back in his own closet that this may have been the only way to get some sort of response out of the guy.

I'm saying that Scott isn't making it better by flat out ignoring, or atleast appearing to ignore, Matt's attempt at trying to make rights. Matt assumidly apologised, maybe he didn't, but he's said "Can we atleast maybe just be friends (presumably something along the lines of starting fresh). I won't try anything etc"

And then Scott got up, dismissed himself out of a situation that he shouldn't have had any reason otherwise to dismiss himself from, and refused to answer any questions about why he's just GTFOing from what Matt perceived as "Scott going to the mall with friends". He has no context beyond that. No answer, no "Yeah, I think we can still make this work as friends" or "No, I don't want to talk to you anymore". just a "Yeah ok bye"

Paint it anyway you want, Scott comes off as a bit of an arse. Flat out just saying "No, leave me alone" would be kinder than just ignoring it and allowing it to fester on someone else's mind.

If anything, Matt is the reason Scott is more determined to spend time with Derek. He now knows that of the two males he has 'kissed', he prefers Derek.

Scott didn't ask them to be there. This isn't a "group of friends hanging out" situation. They all invited themselves along. He has no responsibility or social obligation to the people who just pushed their presence on him.

Of course, Scott can do whatever he pleases and go wherever he wants. He may have no responsibility to stay if they "pushed their presence on him", but as someone with a minimum of education he has the responsability to at least tell them he's leaving so that they don't buy a meal for someone who's not going to have it. Or simply because they would be expecting him when they are back.

Anyway, let's face some facts:
- Scott lied on "where he was going to do what" (not on the "where" but on the "what"). Of course, he can say whatever he wants if he doesn't want to say what he's really up to.
- Thomas said where they were going when Jane asked, but he obviously didn't want any ill intention. He even asked Scott what he was doing after, because he obviously wanted to spend some time with him. It's not clear if Scott answered to this question, but it's certain he could have said he would rather go on his own to avoid being discovered with Derek, so saying that Thomas is "pushing his presence on Scott" is not so abvious here, since Scott doesn't say anything to this respect and Thomes doesn't insist.
- Jane obviously "pushed their presence on Scott" and lied in order to go along with them. Her intention was, apparently, to "help" Matt in asking him what's going on, and prevent him from doing something as foolish as following (stalking?) him.
- Matt didn't want to "push his presence on Scott" (he simply wanted to follow him, which honestly is not much better...), but got dragged in by Jane's way of doing things.

So basically, only looking at what they say and do, and not at their intentions, Thomas asked him what he was doing, decided to go with him to the mall to spend some time together, since theoretically he had to buy groceries, and Scott didn't say he would rather go alone. Then Jane asked them if they were going home, but since they were also (theoretically) going to the mall, she suggested them all going together. Afterwards, Jane (again) takes Thomas with her to buy the food. Assuming Scott cannot read minds and doesn't know about any of the others' "hidden intentions" (and Thomas doesn't seem to have any, actually...) he's being plain rude by going away without even telling Thomas nor Jane, or at least texting them.

Lastly, and this is just my personal opinion: it's not about being indebted to anyone. It's simply about education and being nice to other people. If you come across someone you know, and they talk to you, if you are going to go somewhere else for whatever reason, you can at least say goodbye to them, and not just go away without saying anything at all while they are looking the other way. All the more reason if you've been walking along them for some minutes and even sat on the same table to (supposedly) have a meal together.

They're 18, they're considered adults, high school or not. :p Also I said sexual assault, not rape. Scott didn't want the advances (or didn't know if he did) and physical contact that Matt was making. Plenty of students get arrested for this sort of thing, not that I think that sort of drama should have been inserted into the comic, but it creates Matt's personality and character. Did he make a mistake? Of course, and he's a bit misunderstood. But it's understandable and relatable that Scott doesn't want to be around him. He's not a fully likable character, kinda like Edward.

Kimmykun has created a fairly realistic and relatable world. There's very little outside of anthro animals that isn't alike our own world. I doubt Kimmykun would make a realistic world like that and leave the general laws and morals up to "furry logic and standards". That would break the immersion of the world he has created. Scott felt uncomfortable by it all, and I think it's understandable he doesn't want to be around Matt right now. It's honestly just as inconsiderate for his friend to have brought Matt along with her knowing Scott wants to be away from Matt :p

Sorry, I answered to your comment insted of someone else's XD. Just wanted to say I agreed with Sindal's last comment.

Anyway, I also agree with this comment of yours. The point I wanted to make is that everyone has their own faults (in different matters) and looking simply at "this guy is the 'bad guy' because he sexually assaulted this other one" and "this guy is the 'good guy' because he was sexually assaulted" may be valid if you only take that moment into account.

But saying "Scott is the 'absolute good guy' because he was the victim of a sexual assault and therefore everything he does, even if only slightly related to Matt, will be right" and "Matt is the 'absolute bad guy' because the was the assaulter and whatever he does it will be wrong and deserves anything that happens to him" is definitely not right. When I made my first comment, people were clearly going againts Matt for the most part, and I thought it was important to point that Scott was not being the nicest guy to his friends at all.

I can perfectly understand Scott's feelings, but everyone else (even Matt) have feelings and make mistakes, which is something I think everyone should take into account (until it is demostrated that Matt actually doesn't have any feelings )

Don't fret. If there's a leftover burger, Tom won't hesitate to eat it. He's already depicted chowing down hot dogs on the second page of the comic.

Damn guy can't mind his own business. If he wants to leave let him.

freaking smooth spotty...very smooth...

sometimes she(he) just not that into you

Wow Scotts an asshole.

TBH Scott can do the hell he wants and if he wants space he deserves it, he doesn't need to give explanations, people should just back the fuck off.

can't see Matt that scot doesn't want anything with him?
Matt's First movement was so rude... but, i think that Derek wouldn't be better

Scott did right, i mean Matt is like desperate for being with Scott. That kind of guys are annoying and also is tired to try with them. If they want a realationship so bad is almost like "marry me". Ugh bye Matt, hello Mr Lion.

4th panel - Scott has that "I've about had enough of this queen" look.

Even if he's gay, he doesn't want anything with you. It's not that hard to understand, FFS.

I been in all three of their shoes in at one point or another... poor guys... this is not over yet, this still: isn't going to end well.

This is one of those moments of "I see your lips moving but all I hear is yadda yadda yadda..."

I like how much of a douche bag Matt is. I knew a guy like him once; came out as gay and he thought I owed him something. Like just because I'm his friend and I came out meant to him that we should be together. It's a really slimey attitude to have. So good writing. Love him or hate him, we can all sort of identify with something about him.

Also, muuuuch better pacing here. Things are moving again now. You're back to moving your story forward and it's great to read! I really like what you're doing XD

Pacing is haaaaaard! ! Dx

Nah! Just think in terms or films and other media that you like. Think of things as being split into "scenes" and each scene kind of has it's own begining, middle, and end. It's like little mini-stories building to make a whole story. I find thinking this way helps. When you think in scenes, you can have a better idea of what to do for the next few pages and how many pages it should take.

Also? good pacing is to cut out all that is unnecessary. Think of the fastest way you can show what you need to that doesn't damage your story, then, add a little more back in if you want too, but strip an idea down to it's bare bones first, then you know the minimum of what you need to do and can add on after. This helps keep things contained and managable and paced better.

You are doing great, keep going XD

scott ya need to be well .....at least a little better at ending a conversation. Not just leave

I think Scott's big problem is that his "date" is just. right. THERE.... and everybody wants to cock-block him. It doesn't surprise me he's too distracted to be civil.

Yeah, from his point of view it may look like they are trying to "cok-block" him, but he didn't tell them anything, so he should realize that's not the case because they simply don't know what his plans are. It's a difficult situation, and quite frustrating I guess, but...

I can kind of relate to scoot here, I would probably do something similar there, if not the exact same thing

Douglas!

you have created a shit storm in the comment section!



how do you feel about it??


x

I feel like I achieved something grand. :)

I feel like the creator this just won, because people are discussing amongst themselves instead of focusing on the art

Actually, that's the idea.

That's the idea of the whole comic, in fact.

*munches on popcorn, enjoying the comment explosions*

Riiiiiiight???

In my best opinion, Scott should've just told the truth, that there's someone else he's falling in love with. Matt has to learn to get out there and keep looking. I'm pretty sure there's another amongst the jocks he'll take to his liking.


Keep it up Douglas you're doing great! :)

Yeeeeah, Scott is kinda being douchey here, definitely not feeling the appeal for him. Be polite to Matt, dangit, at least have some sort of empathy and consideration, there's no need to be a jerk.

What Scott is hearing from Matthew on this page: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/e.....8b6c84c6f9.jpg