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Many people have asked and here's the best i can do for now in a short amount of time. I'm not sure how helpful any of this is but now you have it.
General notes. As soon as you watch one and the other youll see why i can NEVER EVER ink in Photoshop. I was tought by animators to rotate your artwork. And I don't see why Photoshop should unlearn me this handy tool. Photoshop not rotating or having a color wheel STILL is such a fucking amazing shame. These are inks that are quickly thrown together. The quality is lower down in the rungs of the work I do. They also don't have the second layer of inking i do where i fatter up some lines on a separate layer on top.
Both videos are real time. Any skips and jumps involve the computer struggling powerfully.
Sai Painter (6 min)
Sai painter I use a softish inker. I hate harsh razor sharp lines because they are unforgiving. Take any hard inker drop the opacity to 70-80, change the profile to be just a bit rounder instead of flat. The sai one went faster because it was much smaller and sai handled the capturing better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYSbdDBNfFs
Painter 9 (10 min)
I use a modified cover pencils. Modified to be darker i think. Basicly both the sai brush and painter brush behave the same way. The benefit with Painter is that the smoothing works better and is easier to control. While recording though it became very obvious how hard it was going to be to feel natural. The painter one took longer because i was dealing with the lag of capturing. IT was also done at a much higher resolution which invites tedious linework.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrCRLBdujY4
Enjoy.
General notes. As soon as you watch one and the other youll see why i can NEVER EVER ink in Photoshop. I was tought by animators to rotate your artwork. And I don't see why Photoshop should unlearn me this handy tool. Photoshop not rotating or having a color wheel STILL is such a fucking amazing shame. These are inks that are quickly thrown together. The quality is lower down in the rungs of the work I do. They also don't have the second layer of inking i do where i fatter up some lines on a separate layer on top.
Both videos are real time. Any skips and jumps involve the computer struggling powerfully.
Sai Painter (6 min)
Sai painter I use a softish inker. I hate harsh razor sharp lines because they are unforgiving. Take any hard inker drop the opacity to 70-80, change the profile to be just a bit rounder instead of flat. The sai one went faster because it was much smaller and sai handled the capturing better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYSbdDBNfFs
Painter 9 (10 min)
I use a modified cover pencils. Modified to be darker i think. Basicly both the sai brush and painter brush behave the same way. The benefit with Painter is that the smoothing works better and is easier to control. While recording though it became very obvious how hard it was going to be to feel natural. The painter one took longer because i was dealing with the lag of capturing. IT was also done at a much higher resolution which invites tedious linework.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrCRLBdujY4
Enjoy.
Category Artwork (Digital) / All
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Hmm..I've never used rotating my page while drawing or inking work in Photoshop or on a regular piece of paper though perhaps you have something there. I know alot of people have an easier time drawing side to side or up and down though it seems to me it's something you can get used to.
Inking is something I never looked at painter for doing. Seriously... inking in painter has always been the farthest thing from my mind. But already I am starting to fall in love with how it handles pressure controls. In programs like PS and OC (which I normally ink in) the pressure handles pretty linearly... even with min/max settings. But in Painter the pressure controls are much more intuitive. It's hard to explain... but there is like a curve in the pressure sensitivity (if that makes any sense). It's pretty sexy. I tried the cover pencil... but I wasn't a fan of the way the opacity worked. It could just be my settings.... but meh. I went ahead and see if I could find something else I liked. I don't know anything about the ink/ pencil tools though.. but there was one that kept being mentioned that I remember and it was the first one I went to. I think I am now falling for the scratchboard tool. I'm going to be trying out a few things.... but thank you for this Onta.
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Quick question though. What key do I use to toggle the rotation? I have painter 8.. but I'm sure it works here.
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Quick question though. What key do I use to toggle the rotation? I have painter 8.. but I'm sure it works here.
0o OC has a pressure curve to...though sai seems to do that out of the box, OC can du pretty much the same...only sai has higher precision i thingk...at least it feels more like a precise cirurgical tool and OC like a butchers knife.
Wacom tablet software allows you to define a curve to....if you have a wacom that is.
Wacom tablet software allows you to define a curve to....if you have a wacom that is.
I just got an Intuos 3 recently.... but I don't like changing general pressure settings because it changes the way every single tool works... and that doesn't sit well with me at all. I didn't know OC had a pressure curve though. I know it has a few levers and settings here and there.... but I don't know much about them. I only use the tools as they are since it's what I'm used to. I have no idea about Sai though. So far I have yet to have a reason to use it. Onta mentions that the tools behaved close enough so that's why I am trying Painter out for inking. Should I check Sai out? (and if so, can you pm me with details?)
Sai behaves closer to photoshop and is really dirt cheap ($50). Sai doesnt ...uh... coddle your lines as much.. There is less hand holding and with painter you can get great results pretty fast. Use what you like. Ive pretty much shown that both softwares provide the same funtionality and same qualiuty of tools for this purpose.
Scratchboard tool is what i started on.. I now forsake it..heh.
I know painter seems like the last place to ink but it really has too much going for it. Open up the spacing window and play with the damping and continous time deposition.
Roation for Sai is space+alt, Space +alt plus doubble click or right click to default back to no rotation (ive set this to my second button on my stylus)
Rotation for Painter is space+alt drag to rotate. Space+alt click to reset. DO NOT use any types of zoome except the ctrl+alt+space and the ctrl+space ones cause the others suck
In painter go to edit>preferences>brush tracking and marvel at the extra levels of control you get with your stylus. I WISH WISH WISH wacom had this inately in its software.
Play with scratchboard. If ever you need a new inker thats less..sharp. ill dig up the values for my cover pencil. Also scratchboard tool has a look to it thats easy to detect (for me atleast). Crafting your own tools helps refine the look of your art,
I know painter seems like the last place to ink but it really has too much going for it. Open up the spacing window and play with the damping and continous time deposition.
Roation for Sai is space+alt, Space +alt plus doubble click or right click to default back to no rotation (ive set this to my second button on my stylus)
Rotation for Painter is space+alt drag to rotate. Space+alt click to reset. DO NOT use any types of zoome except the ctrl+alt+space and the ctrl+space ones cause the others suck
In painter go to edit>preferences>brush tracking and marvel at the extra levels of control you get with your stylus. I WISH WISH WISH wacom had this inately in its software.
Play with scratchboard. If ever you need a new inker thats less..sharp. ill dig up the values for my cover pencil. Also scratchboard tool has a look to it thats easy to detect (for me atleast). Crafting your own tools helps refine the look of your art,
Also...i dont mention this but this one is the most important part... I hotkey erase on my stylus button one.. I know this seems silly but being able to shift between erase and pen very fast has greatly sped me up. There are some technical issues with doing this with painter..sometimes you lose your brush and you have to reselect the eraser tool. ... WITH THE ERASER...use the erase side and select eraser tool (i use the quare at 70% opacity)
You make it look easy but the skill and practice is visible. Will certainly give it a go.
Its beyond official that I'll need to get Sai now, even though I had already decided that I did. The only thing I've got right now to do lines with IS Photoshop... and even with those quick strokes they just don't feel right. And being able to rotate a canvas seems like something rudimentary, though I think when you've got a billboard thats a couple dozens gigabytes, trying to rotate the canvas could grind your computer into parmesan.
Of course thats no excuse to not at least offer the function -- you should be smart enough not to use it in those cases.
Its beyond official that I'll need to get Sai now, even though I had already decided that I did. The only thing I've got right now to do lines with IS Photoshop... and even with those quick strokes they just don't feel right. And being able to rotate a canvas seems like something rudimentary, though I think when you've got a billboard thats a couple dozens gigabytes, trying to rotate the canvas could grind your computer into parmesan.
Of course thats no excuse to not at least offer the function -- you should be smart enough not to use it in those cases.
Um, you can rotate the canvas in Photoshop for the record. o.o
In Photoshop go to Image > Rotate Canvas >
It probably isn't as good as some other programs at doing it, but the option to do it is still there.
As for the color wheel bit I can't really help you there. Could always create your own color wheel on the canvas but I doubt thats what you're trying to accomplish by having one there.
In Photoshop go to Image > Rotate Canvas >
It probably isn't as good as some other programs at doing it, but the option to do it is still there.
As for the color wheel bit I can't really help you there. Could always create your own color wheel on the canvas but I doubt thats what you're trying to accomplish by having one there.
I dont consider that.. Even though i have it hotkeyed...90degree chunks is almost useless. Because if i cant naturally draw a line up and down im probably going to have a hard time right and left... The glory of rotating canvases in these packages is that you get a up and down line to be diagonal in the arch of your am...
Well, I just felt like mentioning that since you had specifically said that Photoshop couldn't. I don't use Photoshop for inking or anything like that so I wouldn't know of its problems with rotating canvases and other problems like that it may have. Like you said though, you learned to rotate the canvas, others did not.
Really useful info. Thanks for posting the vids! :3
On a personal note, I've always found it fiendishly difficult to ink on a computer. My hand and wrist cramps up, I have trouble seeing the whole picture b/c I have to zoom in, and it seems a lot more tedious and not as "flowing" if that makes sense. I'd be interested in seeing somebody post a journal comparing hand-drawn inking to computer inking - what are the pros and cons, or is it just 'to each his own'? It seems a lot of people nowadays do everything totally digital, but I wonder if that's the best way to go.
On a personal note, I've always found it fiendishly difficult to ink on a computer. My hand and wrist cramps up, I have trouble seeing the whole picture b/c I have to zoom in, and it seems a lot more tedious and not as "flowing" if that makes sense. I'd be interested in seeing somebody post a journal comparing hand-drawn inking to computer inking - what are the pros and cons, or is it just 'to each his own'? It seems a lot of people nowadays do everything totally digital, but I wonder if that's the best way to go.
I'm gonna give it a try. I wish there was a Mac version but since I also have Windows on my Mac Pro. I'm gonna give it a try. And I'll have to get Painter for Windows. as well. I had downloaded the mac version earlier this year and the demo has been long expired.
For Photoshop, I have started dabbling in digital inking. I actually use the pen tool and I think I'm getting the hang of it. If anyone has seen the request pic I did for
allan , that was totally done using the pen tool and for the smaller details, the paint brush.
For Photoshop, I have started dabbling in digital inking. I actually use the pen tool and I think I'm getting the hang of it. If anyone has seen the request pic I did for
allan , that was totally done using the pen tool and for the smaller details, the paint brush. 
LOL i dunno, didn't read...just a lot of text here :P
I'm a noob at coloring...well
iceman is :P
but still interesting stuff :3
i work at 600dpi and run it up to 100+ layers...which is just overkill and noobish...but i know exactly what your going with this :)
I'm a noob at coloring...well
iceman is :P but still interesting stuff :3
i work at 600dpi and run it up to 100+ layers...which is just overkill and noobish...but i know exactly what your going with this :)
Would you believe that Photoshop CS4 finally allows you to rotate in realtime without processing? It's about damn time, given all the other useless junk that's in the program.
Now I'm waiting for the feature where you can draw lines on your drawing, and it will automatically distort the image to make your scans perfectly square. How hard is that?
Now I'm waiting for the feature where you can draw lines on your drawing, and it will automatically distort the image to make your scans perfectly square. How hard is that?
I use Cover Pencil in Painter for my lines too, I dont understand how you get it to look so nice though XD Wish I knew heh. I can rotate my canvas in painter jus by holding the E key. o.o -nodnod-You make me want to try sai >3 but everytime I try a new program, I jus wind up floating back to Painter eventually, heh.
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